From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 24 22:16:49 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:16:49 -0000
Subject: Character Discussions
Message-ID: <8o46sh+e8na@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 1

Hi all:

First, thanks so much to the founders for moving this shebang to 
eGroups!  I can finally post again!

I'd like to volunteer for moderating the final discussion (Harry 
and "The Beginning"); I think it's high time that I start earning my 
keep around here.  A few smart-aleck remarks and whinings about the 
deplorable state of my school district do not a member make.  :)

*
Alicia/Sue "Ghost With the Most" Spinnet

"It's always a good idea to know the rules.  That way, you know how 
to break them properly." --The Dalai Lama

Last Movie Seen: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"
Discman's Spinning: "Lockjaw", Dance Hall Crashers
Current Book: "Big Trouble", Dave Barry
* 




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 24 22:40:24 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) Rogers)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:40:24 -0000
Subject: The Rocky Horror Picture Show
In-Reply-To: <8o46sh+e8na@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o488o+svee@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 2

"Alicia/Sue Spinnet" <Last Movie Seen: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"


Wow.  Another RPHS'er?  KEWL~  I love that movie.  I make a good 
Janet.  (Not certain if that's a compliment or not?)


:)
Dee




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Aug 24 22:47:35 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:47:35 -0000
Subject: Character Discussions
In-Reply-To: <8o46sh+e8na@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o48m7+qr31@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 3

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Alicia/Sue Spinnet" 
<AliciaSpinnet at h...> wrote:
> Hi all:
> 
> First, thanks so much to the founders for moving this shebang to 
> eGroups!  I can finally post again!

I, agree it seems like a good idea. I especially like being able to 
ost messages by e-mail (so of course am doing this by the web 
interface).
 
> I'd like to volunteer for moderating the final discussion (Harry 
> and "The Beginning"); I think it's high time that I start earning   
> my keep around here.

Well you will have plenty of time to prepare. The discussion is not 
until April (I believe). Also by then you will have the FAQ on Harry, 
from which you can quote some great comments made by the group.

Simon




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 24 23:29:27 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:29:27 -0000
Subject: Oops!
Message-ID: <8o4b4n+2d4t@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 4

Hello again:

I just checked the web-base of this list (I'm currently receiving 
messages by email), and I realized that I'd posted the first 
message without knowing!  I'm awfully sorry, as I really don't think 
I was the one who was supposed to do that-- I think that honor should 
have gone to the founders.

I'm really, really sorry!

*
--Alicia/Sue "Ghost With the Most" Spinnet

"It's always a good idea to know the rules. That way, you know how 
to break them properly." --The Dalai Lama

Last Movie Seen: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"
Discman's Spinning: "Lockjaw", Dance Hall Crashers
Current Book: "Big Trouble", Dave Barry
* 




From lrcjestes at msn.com  Fri Aug 25 00:28:07 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (Carole Estes)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:28:07 -0000
Subject: Biting one's  tongue
Message-ID: <8o4ein+abnd@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 5

Ok I'm not sure how we are going to make this transitions so I'm 
going to post this reply to the thread on holding your tongue while 
others are just starting to read to both boards....

anyway  melanie posted:

During SS, he kept saying (with a triumphant air), "I know Snape's 
behind everything. It's *so* obvious!" He'd see me smirking, and 
say, "I'm right, aren't I?" I bit my tongue, like Simon, but did 
say, "Isn't he a little *too* obvious?"

************************************

I have a couple of friends and my mom who had trouble getting into 
the HP books at first, and I think its because they read along and 
they think, well its a kids book and I can figure out this 
plot...Snape is the bad guy, so he must be the one who's going to get 
Harry in the end.  I always tell them to just keep reading until the 
end of the first book....It wasn't until I read the end of the first 
book that I was hooked.


Melanie also wrote:
During PoA, I told him I give him a medal if he figured it out. So he 
started guessing everyone he could think of: "Is it Flitwick? Seamus 
Finnigan? That ghost professor?" No matter whom he named, I simply 
said maybe.

I love watching someone get into the Harry Potter world, but it is 
hard to keep from spoiling it for them.

************************************

Try attempting to keep a 7 year old from telling his Dad that Sirius 
is not the bad guy, when dad (you all know him as Randy) had only 
gotten through 1/2 of CoS!  It was all I could do to keep said son 
from exploding with the ending of PoA!  (this was in April)  Children 
are not great at keeping secrets, particularly when their dad is 
speculating constantly....it was a fun month or two.  I also find I 
have to bite my tongue when asked "who's your favorite character"  I 
have to make sure the person has read through PoA before telling them 
(its Sirius...in case anyone is new here and hasn't heard about my 
thing for Sirius...anyway)

hope noone minds this post going to both boards...If we want to post 
only on one board let me know...or maybe we keep the threads seperate?

carole




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Aug 25 01:10:28 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:10:28 -0000
Subject: Inaugural Post (a bit late)
Message-ID: <8o4h24+27k7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 6

Hi --

Sorry -- I didn't know everyone was waiting for me to kick off the 
discussions.  I had a raging headache & decided to watch my favorite 
movie of all time to try & get rid of the headache ("When Harry Met 
Sally").  Anyway, Alicia/Sue no need to apologize for taking Post #1 
-- I'm not at all bothered.  <g>  BTW, thanks for volunteering to
take 
Ch 37 & Harry.  You've probably seen the discussions & didn't realize 
it.  Voicelady summarized Ch 7 & some of the animal characters
earlier 
this week (2 messages).  The person just kicks off the chapter 
discussion by summarizing & raising "discussion points" or questions. 
They then, in a separate post, take the character of the week & do a 
brief character sketch & raise some discussion matters.

Smitster is hard at work figuring out how to get our message archives 
transferred over here so we can actually search them. 

I hope everyone will eventually make it over here.  Do we all think 
this is a good move?  It shows there is a chat room, but we can
always 
just use the Yahoo chat room on Sundays if this one doesn't work as 
well.  

Going to eat dinner --

Penny 




From karob_7 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 01:31:35 2000
From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (Karin )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:31:35 -0000
Subject: Transition to eGroups
In-Reply-To: <8o4h24+27k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o4i9n+t6mg@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 7

"Penny Linsenmayer" <linsenma at h...> wrote:
> I hope everyone will eventually make it over here.  Do we all think 
> this is a good move?  


I think the move is a good thing, although it might be a bit like 
Apparating without a license:  there's a good chance we'll get 
splinched.  :)  Seriously, I think that most everyone will make the 
transition; it will just take a while.

Karin




From karob_7 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 01:40:26 2000
From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (Karin )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:40:26 -0000
Subject: Photos
Message-ID: <8o4iqa+j17a@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 8

Jim--I'm glad you put in pics of Fiona Shaw.  I couldn't find any
good ones of her today.  But I *particularly* like the picture of 
Harry and the Dementor that you put in.  ;)  

Karin






From puppycat at attglobal.net  Fri Aug 25 01:53:17 2000
From: puppycat at attglobal.net (Esther Brooks)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:53:17 -0000
Subject: New Group
Message-ID: <8o4jid+m69m@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 9

I haven't received any posts from the Yahoo group since Aug 19.  When 
I checked the yahoo web site I saw messages about this eGroups list.  
Is this where everyone will be posting?  Esther




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 01:58:20 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:58:20 -0000
Subject: Lawsuit comment
Message-ID: <8o4jrs+7jaf@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 10

re: rainy lilac's post about a request to the court by Scholastic
that 
Stouffer stop telling lies publicly:
THis was part of their original filing last fall - they asked the 
court for an injunction to prevent her from
   making false statements about ownership of the term MUGGLE 




From joym999 at aol.com  Fri Aug 25 02:08:15 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:08:15 -0000
Subject: Question
Message-ID: <8o4kef+dit9@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 11

E-groups does seem a lot more flexible than Yahoo.  I noticed that 
there is a *Database* section where you can add Tables, which 
reminded me that I created a Harry Potter Acrostic Puzzle a while 
back that just needs a little work.  Im not sure how to post it 
though, since the diagram part is a Wordperfect table and the rest is 
text.  Maybe I can figure out how to post it in the Database 
section.  An advice (and no, I dont have a scanner so I dont think 
theres anyway I can convert it to a graphics file).




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 02:41:46 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:41:46 -0000
Subject: What HP Character Scares You Most?
Message-ID: <8o4mda+tk0t@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 12

Hello all--

Of course I couldn't help *but* post our first day here.  <g>

While fussing at Scholastic online for not sending me enough copies 
of Arrow Book Club student flyers, I arrived at the following URL:

http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/home.asp

You can vote for the HP character/creature that scares you most.  At 
the time of my vote, my choice was the #1 one--I was surprised that 
anything even came near it.

I think it bears discussing here.  We are all adults (or close enough 
to it)--are there any aspects or characters in the Harry Potter books 
that creep you out?

Just want to get the ball rolling...

Ebony AKA AngieJ (No more confusion about "selah_1977"!  Yes!)




From remy at empnet.com  Fri Aug 25 00:48:03 2000
From: remy at empnet.com (Traci D. Haley)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:48:03 -0500
Subject: Welcome to HPforGrownups 
Message-ID: <000701c00e2e$2094c8c0$7901010a@staff06>

No: HPFGUIDX 13

Hallo,

   Just joined this list via a link from the Yahoo club - am kinda glad this
list is now on eGroups - it's so much easier!  Anyway, I kind of lurked
around the Yahoo club most of the time.  I was Wisteria there.  I'm Traci, a
21-year-old Pagan female living in Central Oregon.  I work at a public
library and am also a writer and freelance computer consultant.  At the
library I run a book club for pre-teens and am also planning to start a book
club for teens in October.  Of course, all my "kids" love Harry Potter and
so do I.  Can't wait for book 5! :)

.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.

Dasvidanye,
Traci
~*~
remy at empnet.com / wisteria at yahoo.com / thaley at crooklib.org
Cell Phone: (541) 419-1921
Voicemail: (800) 222-6000 #541447001
Fax: (603) 737-0777
AOL: Blackmail79
ICQ: 1394469
MSN Messenger: Moonseeker79 at hotmail.com
Yahoo IM: Wisteria
http:/www.egroups.com/group/slamarama

.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Aug 25 02:57:54 2000
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:57:54 -0000
Subject: Accents
Message-ID: <8o4nbi+g6p4@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 14

Since the cast is clearly going to be all-British, I guess the issue 
of Americans trying to do a British accent is moot.  However, I might 
as well share an instance when it was the other way around.  This was 
a Monty Python sketch in which the Pythons are playing a bunch of 
American business men. Grahame Chapman's accent was the worst. He got 
the American "R" sound all right, but he enunciated his consonants in 
the crisp British way, so that the phrase "what's the matter" sounded 
like "what's the maTTer."  Americans would normally pronounce this 
more like "what's the maDDer." I doubt that the Python's realized how 
bad they sounded to American ears, so I can sympathize with JKR's 
insistance on *real* British accents.

I'm also quite sensitive to bad southern American accents (I grew up 
in Texas). Northern actors sometimes invent a "posh" southern accent 
that is extremely annoying, almost embarassing. I think that actors 
have become more sensitive to this issue recently than they were 20 
or more years ago.

Just my 2 knuts.




From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 03:09:58 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:09:58 -0000
Subject: Not bad
Message-ID: <8o4o26+2dsl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 15

Hmmm; this looks good so far; it takes some getting used to to use 
the functions here, but if everyone agrees that THIS is going to be 
the site we should try to speed up getting everyone back at Yahoo 
signed on over here, such as by continually posting reminders at the 
old site.  It is going to be redundant having both sites running 
simultaneously, so hopefully the club won't take long to switch 
over.  In the meantime, I think we should try to post interesting 
messages that aren't specifically about egroups or Yahoo at both 
sites, so the threads of conversation don't get too tangled.  I hope 
this works out for the best.




From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 03:12:46 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:12:46 -0000
Subject: P.S.:
Message-ID: <8o4o7e+jmq0@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 16

I can see one good thing already--I don't know about everyone else, 
but it is going to be a lot better to be able to know people by their 
real name.




From MMcNie at mmsa.com  Fri Aug 25 03:22:13 2000
From: MMcNie at mmsa.com (MMcNie at mmsa.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:22:13 -0000
Subject: What HP Character Scares You Most?
In-Reply-To: <8o4mda+tk0t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o4op5+rlke@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 17

>  
> I think it bears discussing here.  We are all adults (or close 
enough 
> to it)--are there any aspects or characters in the Harry Potter 
books 
> that creep you out?
> 
>  
> Ebony AKA AngieJ (No more confusion about "selah_1977"!  Yes!)


No question about it: the dementors. Everything about them makes my 
skin crawl.


Margaret




From recla at magick.net  Fri Aug 25 03:45:06 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Prof.  Dumbledore)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:45:06 -0000
Subject: Two Versions of Movie ?
Message-ID: <8o4q42+6p3t@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 18

I think this is stupid, why not just call it by the original English 
Title, and forget having to make two of them.  Unless they are 
talking about a wizard and a muggle version..  :-)

DR




From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 04:11:13 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:11:13 -0000
Subject: What HP Character Scares You Most?
In-Reply-To: <8o4op5+rlke@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o4rl1+1b4m@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 19

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, MMcNie at m... wrote:
> >  
> > I think it bears discussing here.  We are all adults (or close 
> enough 
> > to it)--are there any aspects or characters in the Harry Potter 
> books 
> > that creep you out?
> > 
> >  
> > Ebony AKA AngieJ (No more confusion about "selah_1977"!  Yes!)
> 
> 
> No question about it: the dementors. Everything about them makes my 
> skin crawl.
> 
> 
> Margaret

Awesome!  Our first thread.  I know it sounds almost too obvious, but 
I would have to say Voldemort is the scariest.  I mean specifically 
Voldemort as he appeared in the very first chapter of Goblet of 
Fire.  The whole way Rowling set everything up in the chapter made 
the sense of dread around the Riddle House seem very real.  Then 
watching Bryce break the number one rule of horrow fiction by going 
into the house with the killer inside made me want to yell "Get out 
of there!"  And when Nagini told Voldermort that Bryce was 
outside the room. . . .wow!  Creepy! But I still was shocked by how 
suddenly Voldermort killed Bryce.
Which is why Voldermort is so frightening.  The dementors at least 
can be stopped by the Patronus.  Voldermort can use Avada Kedavra 
with no hesitation whatsoever, and there is no blocking that.  He is 
frightening as Hitler was frightening: he is an evil person with huge 
power and nothing to stop him from using it, and he can definitely 
manipulate others into doing evil in his name.
But he is also scary in the horror movie sense: he is a supernatural 
monster--amazing how Rowling effortlessly combined these two types of 
frightening figures in Voldemort.  She shows how good she is at 
handling the "monster" type by not letting us see the exact form 
Voldemort takes---and the mystery of it haunts the entire book.  This 
makes the impact when Voldemort reveals himself even greater.
But Voldermort's sudden return to power hardly hit me harder 
than "The Riddle House" chapter--at the end of it I was almost 
breathless; I knew then that GoF would definitely be the best Potter 
book yet.




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Aug 25 05:38:30 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:38:30 -0000
Subject: Inaugural Post (a bit late) /and my first one
In-Reply-To: <8o4h24+27k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o50om+n83p@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 20

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Penny Linsenmayer" <linsenma at h...> 
wrote:

<<I had a raging headache & decided to watch my favorite movie of all 
time to try & get rid of the headache ("When Harry Met Sally").>>  

Can I be a bit obvious and say 'shouldn't that read "When Harry Met 
Hermione"?'

<<Anyway, Alicia/Sue ... thanks for volunteering to take Ch 37 & 
Harry.>> 

...and, based on Alicia/Sue's previous posts, she will do a great 
job.  Three cheers for that!

***

Okay, this wasn't the most illustrious of first posts, but I wanted
to say *something*.  I'm feeling a bit brain dead these days - I
think 
it's time to put myself in for an MOT.

Neil 




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Aug 25 05:47:17 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:47:17 -0000
Subject: P.S.:
In-Reply-To: <8o4o7e+jmq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o5195+ie1t@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 21

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Steve Bates" <spicoli323 at h...> 
wrote:

> I can see one good thing already--I don't know about everyone else, 
> but it is going to be a lot better to be able to know people by 
their real name.

... and here's me being really contrary by altering my profile name
to my Yahoo ID!  But you can see my name in the e-mail address, so
that's okay.

One thing I don't like about egroups is that it sticks line breaks in 
funny places, so that when you hit 'post', some of the lines come 
out staggered.  You either have to leave it looking messy or edit it 
every single time.  Any idea how to avoid this?

BTW, I still read all my egroups clubs online.  Perhaps it would be 
better if I used the e-mail option.

Neil





From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Aug 25 06:34:02 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:34:02 -0000
Subject: E-groups vs Yahoo
Message-ID: <8o540q+khsl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 22

I was already in half-a-dozen e-groups when the only Yahoo Club I 
joined was HP4G....

Now there are 5 HP e-group message pages among my bookmarks (plus PoU 
Files).

I always read the posts on the web site. I find the Yahoo one easier 
to use. While Yahoo doesn't have a SEARCH, e-groups doesn't tell me 
what post the post I'm reading is a reply to. The member profiles on 
Yahoo are much better than the ones on e-groups, and I am always 
irritated by the way that e-groups conceals all @dresses (with the 
noble intention of protecting us from Spam), and I LIKED being 
Catlady de Los Angeles ....

Tim just started an new e-group last week (for his science fiction 
fan friends) and they tried to use the chat room provided by e-groups 
and reported that it was utterly slow and generally a pain. The only 
chats I've ever been in are the HP4G Yahoo chats, and that chat room 
seems to work fine (besides, I just got Cheetah Chat so I can Yahoo 
Chat in wonderful colors!).




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Aug 25 06:50:15 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:50:15 -0000
Subject: McGonagall's Age
Message-ID: <8o54v7+2320@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 23

Our old Yahoo club said:

<In PS, McGonagall is described as " a rather severe-looking woman" 
with her hair drawn into a tight bun, and as "a tall black-haired 
witch". I guess that mention of black hair makes us think she must be 
quite young, but my theory is that Minerva makes liberal use of the 
wizarding equivalent of 'Lady Grecian 2000' to create the illusion of 
youth. I wouldn't be surprised if to find that she was a contemporary 
of Albus Dumbledore and, in fact, about 60.>

Dummbledore is older than 60: 50 years earlier than CoS he was 
already the (auburn-haired) Transfiguration teacher at Hogwarts, so I 
imagine him as having been around 30 at that time, thus around 80 
when Harry meets him. I don't imagine him being anywhere near as old 
as Nicholas Flamel (but maybe he is, and it was his fight with the 
evil wizard Grindelwald rather than age that turned his hair white), 
but I do imagine that wizards tend to live longer than Muggles, for
an average of 100 years rather than our Muggle 75. Along this line, I 
expect that wizard folk, of any age over 30, tend to look younger 
than Muggles of the same age. McGonagall probably is 60 as you said 
(she was Harry's parents' teacher), but thus would be taken for 40 
or 45 by a Muggle.








From MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 09:34:13 2000
From: MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com (Mike Gray)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:34:13 -0000
Subject: What HP Character Scares You Most?
In-Reply-To: <8o4mda+tk0t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o5eil+hq3r@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 24


> I think it bears discussing here.  We are all adults (or close 
enough 
> to it)--are there any aspects or characters in the Harry Potter 
books 
> that creep you out?
> 


Well, the character who scares me most wasn't on the list: Ron.  I 
worry both not only about what may happen to him but also about what 
he might end up doing to get some attention and adulation.

But that's a different kind of scarey, I suppose.

Mike

P.S. Hurrah for Egroups!  I can finally post by Email!  BTW, I've 
noticed that I could give the URL of my Yahoo profile within the 
Egroup profile.  That's nice: we can keep on using the snazzier Yahoo 
profiles.




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Aug 25 10:26:29 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:26:29 -0000
Subject: McGonagall's Age
In-Reply-To: <8o54v7+2320@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o5hkl+9n3v@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 25

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
 
> Dummbledore is older than 60: 50 years earlier than CoS he was 
> already the (auburn-haired) Transfiguration teacher at Hogwarts, so 
> I  imagine him as having been around 30 at that time, thus around 
> 80 when Harry meets him. 

It was me that rashly claimed that McGonagall might be a contemporary 
of Dumbledore's, and I've since realised that Dumbo *must* be 
considerably older than her - even as old as 90.  

As someone else commented, McGonagall and Hagrid are about the same 
age.  Wouldn't that put them at Hogwarts at the same time, in a sort 
of 'Lady Chatterly's Lover' scenario?  I bet they've had sex!  Now, 
there's a fanfic screaming to be written.  

Rita, I'm like you - I want to hang on to my Yahoo handle, as it took 
me many minutes to dream up something that Yahoo would accept, and 
I've grown used to it.  That's why I've changed my name by deed poll 
to Flying Ford Anglia and relegated 'Neil Ward' to nickname status. 

Neil 

PS - I'm off to Washington, DC next Tuesday and probably won't be 
able or fit to post a thing until Friday.




From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Aug 25 12:18:27 2000
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:18:27 -0000
Subject: Pictures
Message-ID: <8o5o6j+kl31@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 26

I've been reposting the cast photos from the Yahoo site, and I miss 
the thumbnail function.  Rather than have a huge list of cast photos 
scrolling off the screen I think this area needs to be organized into 
smaller chunks.  I'm thinking of multiple folders under the "cast 
photos" main folder.  Suggestions for organizing this area are 
welcome.

I have a bunch of nice Fionna Shaw pictures off the Web that I will 
post tonight.  She is quite accomplished as a stage actress, and 
seems extremely overqualified for the "bit part" of Petunia Dursley.

Jim (formerly JamesF)




From MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 12:49:39 2000
From: MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com (Mike & Susan Gray)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:49:39 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: McGonagall's Age & Dumbledore's Triumphant Look
In-Reply-To: <8o5hkl+9n3v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c00e92$f174ed80$8b71023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 27

<<Wouldn't that put them at Hogwarts at the same time, in a sort
of 'Lady Chatterly's Lover' scenario?  >>

EUREKA!!!!

OK, I've got it:  If McGonogall is actually Lady Chatterly, then Dumbledore
must be Clifford--ergo, Dumbledore is impotent.

Now: why is Dumbledore impotent?

Easy: in his desperate battle with the evil wizard something-or-other back
in 1945, Dumbledore, once a broom rider and wand waver of shocking vigor,
released the very essence of his natural powers into that which this group
has already identified as the magical symbol of a wizard's natural potency:
his wand.  This monumental sacrifice saved the world, but it also consigned
Dumbledore to spinsterhood.

The Triumph: But as Harry began his story at the end of GoF, Dumbledore had
already guessed why the big V. couldn't sizzle Harry: priori incatatem.  And
suddenly, he saw the light: if only he can find someone whose wand shares
the same magical bits as his, they could have a duel and Dumbledore's wand
would be forced to release its burgeoning powers.  Dumbledore jumped up to
look at Harry's arm because he was so excited he couldn't sit still.  In
fact, he didn't even pick up the fact that the big V. had managed to gain
through Harry's blood.

The REAL Plot: So the true battle will pitch Hagrid's size & relative youth
against Dumbledore's skill and craft, while the big V. realizes that he
needs more than Harry's blood to get himself up to speed!

Title of the next Book: Harry Potter and the Dirty Old Wizards

Tschsslis!

Mike

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Mike Gray
ETG Erlenbach & Zrich        M. 076 / 578 59 92
Im Bindschdler 24            G. & P. 01 / 915 59 92
8703 Erlenbach                mailto:MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com
Switzerland


This statement is a lie, albeit a true one.




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Fri Aug 25 13:22:36 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (Jeralyn S.)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:22:36 -0000
Subject: Accents
In-Reply-To: <8o4nbi+g6p4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o5rus+hje9@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 28

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jim Flanagan" <jamesf at a...> wrote:
> I think that actors have become more sensitive to this issue 
recently than they were 20 or more years ago.
> 
> Just my 2 knuts.

Well, I can say with authority, that yes, you're right.  There are 
actual classes that actors can take in order to learn how to lose an 
accent, and in the same vein, how to speak with accents and 
regionalisms.

Hi, everybody!  Now that we're on egroups, I can actually keep up 
with the club over the weekends now, since all I have at home is an 
email machine.  Cool!




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Aug 25 13:43:18 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:43:18 -0000
Subject: My e-mail
Message-ID: <8o5t5m+ko0u@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 29

For some reason, I'm the only one on the member list whose e-mail 
address is shown in full.  Any idea why this is?

Neil




From MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 13:58:06 2000
From: MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com (Mike & Susan Gray)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:58:06 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] My e-mail
In-Reply-To: <8o5t5m+ko0u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c00e9c$7f387f70$8b71023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 30

<<For some reason, I'm the only one on the member list whose e-mail
address is shown in full.  Any idea why this is?>>

Funny--I thought *I* was that member!  It must show your own address in
full; everyone else's gets abbreviated.

BTW, if you *don't* want all your other lists to discover that they have a
mechanimagus in their midst, you might open a new Egroups account with your
Yahoo Email address (which, I presume, is Flying_Ford_etc.)

Tschsslis!

Mike

----------------

Mike Gray
ETG Erlenbach & Zrich        M. 076 / 578 59 92
Im Bindschdler 24            G. & P. 01 / 915 59 92
8703 Erlenbach                mailto:MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com
Switzerland


This statement is a lie, albeit a true one.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:04:56 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:04:56 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] E-groups vs Yahoo
References: <8o540q+khsl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a301c00e9d$735cf4a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 31

(besides, I just got Cheetah Chat so I can Yahoo 
Chat in wonderful colors!).

Rita, that's one of my advantages to Yahoo; thanks for reminding me of it!  I love my cheetachat.  Not only do you get pretty colors, and macros, and etc.... you also can copy the entire chat and have a word file later that someone can access.

(So, should I post over here the few chats that I copied?  Grins)

Just a thought.  I do like the response via email feature, though.  It has spell check! and I don't have to figure out if Outlook Express is going to open another window or not.  (I am not opening these in yahoo-mail yet)

:)
Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rita Winston 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:34 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] E-groups vs Yahoo


  I was already in half-a-dozen e-groups when the only Yahoo Club I 
  joined was HP4G....

  Now there are 5 HP e-group message pages among my bookmarks (plus PoU 
  Files).

  I always read the posts on the web site. I find the Yahoo one easier 
  to use. While Yahoo doesn't have a SEARCH, e-groups doesn't tell me 
  what post the post I'm reading is a reply to. The member profiles on 
  Yahoo are much better than the ones on e-groups, and I am always 
  irritated by the way that e-groups conceals all @dresses (with the 
  noble intention of protecting us from Spam), and I LIKED being 
  Catlady de Los Angeles ....

  Tim just started an new e-group last week (for his science fiction 
  fan friends) and they tried to use the chat room provided by e-groups 
  and reported that it was utterly slow and generally a pain. The only 
  chats I've ever been in are the HP4G Yahoo chats, and that chat room 
  seems to work fine (besides, I just got Cheetah Chat so I can Yahoo 
  Chat in wonderful colors!).


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:08:08 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:08:08 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] McGonagall's Age and how it relates to James and Lily
References: <8o54v7+2320@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c00e9d$e5b877e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 32

Along these lines....

If Dumbledore and McGonagall are "ancient" (lol), couldn't the quote from GoF that Voldemort took 11 years growing in power be applied to two 18 year old graduates, and make them both 29 when they died?  This is saying that they both had occupations where they fought Voldemort, and he killed them for that reason.

More musings.    
:)
Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rita Winston 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:50 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] McGonagall's Age


  Our old Yahoo club said:

  <In PS, McGonagall is described as " a rather severe-looking woman" 
  with her hair drawn into a tight bun, and as "a tall black-haired 
  witch". I guess that mention of black hair makes us think she must be 
  quite young, but my theory is that Minerva makes liberal use of the 
  wizarding equivalent of 'Lady Grecian 2000' to create the illusion of 
  youth. I wouldn't be surprised if to find that she was a contemporary 
  of Albus Dumbledore and, in fact, about 60.>

  Dummbledore is older than 60: 50 years earlier than CoS he was 
  already the (auburn-haired) Transfiguration teacher at Hogwarts, so I 
  imagine him as having been around 30 at that time, thus around 80 
  when Harry meets him. I don't imagine him being anywhere near as old 
  as Nicholas Flamel (but maybe he is, and it was his fight with the 
  evil wizard Grindelwald rather than age that turned his hair white), 
  but I do imagine that wizards tend to live longer than Muggles, for
  an average of 100 years rather than our Muggle 75. Along this line, I 
  expect that wizard folk, of any age over 30, tend to look younger 
  than Muggles of the same age. McGonagall probably is 60 as you said 
  (she was Harry's parents' teacher), but thus would be taken for 40 
  or 45 by a Muggle.






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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 14:16:02 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:16:02 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] McGonagall's Age
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A7ED@FTLEXC1>

No: HPFGUIDX 33

Catlady Rita wrote

> Dummbledore is older than 60: 50 years earlier than CoS he was 
> already the (auburn-haired) Transfiguration teacher at Hogwarts, so I 
> imagine him as having been around 30 at that time, thus around 80 
> when Harry meets him. I don't imagine him being anywhere near as old 
> as Nicholas Flamel (but maybe he is, and it was his fight with the 
> evil wizard Grindelwald rather than age that turned his hair white), 
> but I do imagine that wizards tend to live longer than Muggles, for
> an average of 100 years rather than our Muggle 75. Along this line, I 
> expect that wizard folk, of any age over 30, tend to look younger 
> than Muggles of the same age. McGonagall probably is 60 as you said 
> (she was Harry's parents' teacher), but thus would be taken for 40 
> or 45 by a Muggle.

If that's the case, then Dumbledore defeated  the dark wizard Grindelwald
when he was only around 30, and I think that's probably a little young to
have enough power to defeat such a strong wizard - I've always thought of
him as being born in 1900, which would make him 90 or so in the beginning of
the series


 


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:18:49 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:18:49 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: What HP Character Scares You Most?
References: <8o5eil+hq3r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00f401c00e9f$63a4af60$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 34

Listening to the audio, I think I agree that it's the dementors, but only because we don't know what their motivation is at this time.  Voldemort, we know his motivation--kill Harry and take over the world.  (Typically power-hungry bad guy, well, almost typical!)

Why did the dementors go after Harry?  We may debate/discuss this, but until it is explained by Jo, we haven't a clue.  And THAT's why they are scary!

Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Gray 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:34 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: What HP Character Scares You Most?



  > I think it bears discussing here.  We are all adults (or close 
  enough 
  > to it)--are there any aspects or characters in the Harry Potter 
  books 
  > that creep you out?
  > 


  Well, the character who scares me most wasn't on the list: Ron.  I 
  worry both not only about what may happen to him but also about what 
  he might end up doing to get some attention and adulation.

  But that's a different kind of scarey, I suppose.

  Mike

  P.S. Hurrah for Egroups!  I can finally post by Email!  BTW, I've 
  noticed that I could give the URL of my Yahoo profile within the 
  Egroup profile.  That's nice: we can keep on using the snazzier Yahoo 
  profiles.


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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 14:21:36 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:21:36 -0400
Subject: chris colombus on the cast
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A7EE@FTLEXC1>

No: HPFGUIDX 35

<<Columbus said he had seen thousands of kids and, despite rumours to the
contrary, it had always been his intention that every member of the cast
would be British and went on the confirm several new cast members - Richard
Griffiths and Fiona Shaw as Harry's Uncle Vernon and Aunt
Petunia and Ian Hart as Professor Quirrell. >>

Any photos?


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From MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:32:45 2000
From: MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com (Mike & Susan Gray)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:32:45 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] McGonagall's Age
In-Reply-To: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A7ED@FTLEXC1>
Message-ID: <002501c00ea1$56699f20$8b71023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 36

<<NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message
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Err--am I allowed to be reading this?  Or is this an exceptionally witty
signature file?

Tschsslis!

Mike

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:37:25 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:37:25 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] My e-mail
References: <001801c00e9c$7f387f70$8b71023e@SHASTA>
Message-ID: <015e01c00ea1$fc856ce0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 37

Mike,
Did you mean to give us your full address?  Or is that an egroup thing?
:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike & Susan Gray 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:58 AM
  Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] My e-mail


  <<For some reason, I'm the only one on the member list whose e-mail
  address is shown in full.  Any idea why this is?>>

  Funny--I thought *I* was that member!  It must show your own address in
  full; everyone else's gets abbreviated.

  BTW, if you *don't* want all your other lists to discover that they have a
  mechanimagus in their midst, you might open a new Egroups account with your
  Yahoo Email address (which, I presume, is Flying_Ford_etc.)

  Tsch?sslis!

  Mike

  ----------------

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  ETG Erlenbach & Z?rich        M. 076 / 578 59 92
  Im Bindsch?dler 24            G. & P. 01 / 915 59 92
  8703 Erlenbach                mailto:MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com
  Switzerland


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From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 14:42:56 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:42:56 -0000
Subject: SFX and Hagrid
Message-ID: <8o60lg+4087@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 38

I can't believe this just occurred to me, but aren't they going to 
need some serious special effects to make Robbie Coltrane look a lot 
bigger?  How tall is he, anyway, and how tall is Hagrid (I picture 
seven or eight feet tall for Hagrid)?  I think this is what vjmerri 
meant about effects that blend into the story and don't call 
attention to themselves: they need to make Hagrid look larger than 
life without making it look fake.  Neat trick if you can do it.  I'm 
going away now for half a week; hope I can catch up when I get back :-
).




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:43:07 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:43:07 -0400
Subject: Harry Potter Essay Contest Held 
Message-ID: <01be01c00ea2$ca591360$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 39


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Denise 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:33 AM
  Subject: Harry Potter Essay Contest Held 


  NEW YORK (AP) - Calling all muggles who would like to meet the author of the Harry Potter series: You can. 

  Scholastic Inc., publisher of the hit series on the endearing boy wizard, is sponsoring a ``How the Harry Potter Books Have Changed My Life'' contest. Ten winners will get to fly to New York and dine with author J.K. Rowling on Oct. 19 during her next U.S. media tour. 

  No word on whether the food will be as tempting as the Hogwarts' feasts described in Rowling's latest book, ``Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.'' 

  The rules: 

  - Essay must be 300 words or less. 

  - Authors must be 18 or under as of Sept. 11. 

  - Open to residents of the continental United States. 

  - Include name, address, age, gender, telephone number and a signed parental consent form. 

  - Must be postmarked by Sept. 11. 

  - Mail to ``How the Harry Potter Books Changed My Life'' Contest, Attn. Lauren Jones, Scholastic Inc., 555 Broadway, New York, N.Y. 10012. 

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 14:47:10 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:47:10 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Potter Essay Contest Held 
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A7F0@FTLEXC1>

No: HPFGUIDX 40

 Does this mean that my son, who is named after the series and thus had his
life changed by the series, gets to enter, or does the fact that he can't
write, or really speak yet, affect his chances?
I think we'll enter him anyway - what could we lose? A stamp?

The rules: 


- Essay must be 300 words or less. 


- Authors must be 18 or under as of Sept. 11.   


  


 



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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:49:30 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] My e-mail
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No: HPFGUIDX 41


This is an eGroups thing.  It appears that you always see you own address in full, yet see everybody else as username at H....  It is their way of preventing spam.

The founder doesn't see this.  They always see the full e-mail address.  I guess they figure the founder isn't likely to spam his/her members.   Good thing I'm not the founder.  Or rather, good thing Neil's not the founder.


  Mike & Susan Gray <MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com> wrote: 
<address is shown in full. Any idea why this is?>>

Funny--I thought *I* was that member! It must show your own address in
full; everyone else's gets abbreviated.

BTW, if you *don't* want all your other lists to discover that they have a
mechanimagus in their midst, you might open a new Egroups account with your
Yahoo Email address (which, I presume, is Flying_Ford_etc.)

Tschsslis!

Mike

----------------

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 14:50:10 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:50:10 -0000
Subject: A  Memo From Chris Columbus
Message-ID: <8o6132+2gj8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 42

WARNING - THIS IS SATIRE!

Hogwarts McNuggets?
A leaked e-mail from director Chris Columbus reveals his 
controversial plans for the Harry Potter movie.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By James Hibberd

Aug. 24, 2000 | FROM: Chris Columbus, Director 
TO: Dan Fellman, President, Warner Bros. Pictures 
RE: HPSS 

Dan, 

Can you believe it? I'm getting bashed all over the Internet and we 
haven't even started filming yet. I swear, if J.K. Rowling starts 
whining to the press, it could be worse than Anne Rice 
trashing "Interview" after Cruise was cast -- journalists love 
that "jilted writer vs. Hollywood" angle. If anybody asks, I guess 
I'll just have to use the usual mantra: "Film is a different medium, 
so changes needed to be made, but we're being true to the spirit of 
the book." 

Anyway, here's the pre-production update: 

Cast: Just got off the phone with Robin Williams and he's definitely 
on board, even for a supporting role. If I had my way, of course, 
he'd be Potter. (Williams could easily play a kid -- ever 
see "Jack"?) But noooo, Rowling insisted the lead go to an actual 
young Brit. (Hey, it's called acting.) So for Williams, here's what 
I'm thinking: Potter's professors at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft 
and Wizardry are supposedly stern and dull. But what if one professor 
is a zany, break-all-the-rules eccentric who mangles magic spells and 
does celebrity impressions? 

Soundtrack: Still need a rousing power anthem for the Quidditch 
matches. Unfortunately, Smash Mouth have already sold "All Star" for 
use in, well, just about everything. (Then again, oversaturation 
didn't stop us from using "Dude Looks Like a Lady" in "Mrs. 
Doubtfire," right?) We're looking for something hip and kid-friendly. 
Sexy, but not too sexy. Maybe the Spice Girls, they're British -- are 
they still around? Hmm, better call John Hughes for soundtrack tips. 

Product placements: In Rowling's books (sorry, haven't read them yet, 
but don't worry, my assistant took great notes), Potter eats bacon 
sandwiches, smoked sausages and steamed ham. I figure since the books 
are practically advertisements for the Other White Meat, we could 
easily justify a lucrative product-placement deal. Do they have Jimmy 
Dean in the U.K.? What am I thinking -- who cares? Let's get Jimmy on 
the phone! 

And speaking of phones, instead of Potter sending messages by owl, 
let's have him use an Ericsson cellphone. Sure, it's less than 
magical. But the placement cash can offset our effects budget, and 
then I can show audiences some real movie magic. Don't worry, by the 
time I'm done with the rewrite, cellphones will be organic to the 
story. 

Script: Still need to delete more limey words. I mean, what the 
hell's a "prefect"? At first I thought it was a typo for "perfect." 
If anything in a script makes me reach for a dictionary or 
encyclopedia, it's gone. 

Cameos: Now I know this is a bit loopy, but the v. just kicked in 
and, frankly, it usually results in my best adaptation ideas (ever 
see "Bicentennial Man"?). So follow me here: Hogwarts is a school for 
witches and wizards. Therefore we need to cast ... Melissa Joan Hart! 
That's right, Sabrina the Teenage Witch meets Harry Potter, boy 
wizard! She doesn't necessarily need to play the same character, but 
her very presence will give the Internet fan boys a thrill. It's 
instant cinematic depth -- just add an ironically cast cameo. 

Wait, almost forgot -- ABC is your competition. So maybe somebody 
from the WB instead? Buffy perhaps? In fact, while we're at it, why 
not make her a full-fledged love interest? From where I'm standing, 
one of the big flaws in the dead-tree version of "Sorcerer's Stone" 
is that the kid seems totally uninterested in girls. I realize Potter 
is only 11 or something, but the couple can at least hold hands, or 
maybe she can kiss his cheek. Even better: Have her kiss his 
lightning-shaped forehead scar, making his ugly shame a thing of 
beauty. I can already visualize the amber hues ... 

Marketing tie-ins: Our cooperative crossovers will make "The Phantom 
Menace" look like "Yentl." For the kids meal, we should definitely 
sign McDonald's. (Hmm, do they sell any pork products? Maybe they can 
create something special, like pork-based "Hogwarts McNuggets"?) I 
think we should also push Harry Potter educational items for use in 
public schools -- "Harry Potter's Spells for Spelling," that sort of 
thing. 

Controversy: Been considering your worries re: protests. You're 
right, the last thing we need is uptight Falwell followers picketing 
cineplexes. So I've come up with a couple of script adds, nothing 
major, just some subtle fix-its. First, let's have Potter wear a 
crucifix throughout the film. Also, just before he confronts the evil 
Voldemort, let's have him say a tearful prayer asking for help and 
guidance. (I know it sounds cheesy, but when Culkin took refuge in 
his local church in "Home Alone," our preview scores shot through the 
roof!) As previously discussed, I'll balance all the sorcery talk by 
maintaining a lighthearted look-feel. 

Bottom line: As the kids say, "It's all good!" If every Potter fan 
sees "Sorcerer's Stone" just once, we're in the black. The only thing 
I need from you is a minor expansion of the CGI effects budget. It 
goes without saying that eye-catching digital effects are essential 
to success. Remember: Moviemaking is just like parenting -- when in 
doubt, you distract, distract, distract. 

Thanks, 

Chris 

P.S. Any news on obtaining the rights to "The Lion, the Witch and the 
Wardrobe"? I'm thinking James Earl Jones as the voice of Aslan and 
Britney Spears as Lucy. 






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:50:44 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) Rohleder)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:50:44 -0000
Subject: OK, yes, I changed a few things.
Message-ID: <8o6144+1q70@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 43

Like, now everyone knows my real name!  I was stalked by two people 
online, and I switched my name over at yahoo to (Mr.)Rogers.  Now, 
you all can see my real last name.  Also, my alternate email is now 
here (Did you know that you can't send out a post under an ip-email 
here at egroups if you haven't listed that email under your 
alternate?  Hence the reason for the change, my ip-email gives my 
real last name!

I went ahead and plopped all the info but my phone into my profile.  
If you want my phone, email me, I will give it that way.

Ok, enough about me.  Grins.

Onto Harry Potter!
:)
Dee





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:50:16 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:50:16 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] SFX and Hagrid
References: <8o60lg+4087@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01d701c00ea3$c84b2580$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 44

Steve, 
did you ever see Martin Short as the Mad Hatter in the NBC movie Alice in Wonderland?  They emphasized his head computerly (is that a word? Grins), so it was horribly enlarged, just like in the books.  Why couldn't they use this for Hagrid's whole body?

:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Bates 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:42 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] SFX and Hagrid


  I can't believe this just occurred to me, but aren't they going to 
  need some serious special effects to make Robbie Coltrane look a lot 
  bigger?  How tall is he, anyway, and how tall is Hagrid (I picture 
  seven or eight feet tall for Hagrid)?  I think this is what vjmerri 
  meant about effects that blend into the story and don't call 
  attention to themselves: they need to make Hagrid look larger than 
  life without making it look fake.  Neat trick if you can do it.  I'm 
  going away now for half a week; hope I can catch up when I get back :-
  ).


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From MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 14:52:02 2000
From: MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com (Mike & Susan Gray)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:52:02 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] My e-mail
In-Reply-To: <015e01c00ea1$fc856ce0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003601c00ea4$09237d00$8b71023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 45

<<Mike,
Did you mean to give us your full address?  Or is that an egroup thing?
:)>>

Eh?  Is my profile sheet spilling out all my deepest and darkest secrets?
(Not that it really matters.  It would be pretty expensive to send a parcel
bomb by international post, and since the arrest warrent was served on my
old name, I ought to be OK!)

Tschsslis!

Mike

----------------

Mike Gray
ETG Erlenbach & Zrich        M. 076 / 578 59 92
Im Bindschdler 24            G. & P. 01 / 915 59 92
8703 Erlenbach                mailto:MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com
Switzerland


This statement is a lie, albeit a true one.





From karob_7 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 15:01:52 2000
From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (Karin )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:01:52 -0000
Subject: chris colombus on the cast
In-Reply-To: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A7EE@FTLEXC1>
Message-ID: <8o61p0+rvfr@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 46

<heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> wrote:
> <<Columbus said he had seen thousands of kids and, despite rumours 
>to the contrary, it had always been his intention that every member 
>of the cast would be British and went on the confirm several new 
>cast members - Richard Griffiths and Fiona Shaw as Harry's Uncle 
>Vernon and Aunt Petunia and Ian Hart as Professor Quirrell. >>
> 
> Any photos?
> 

See the files section.  There are photos of all three there.

Karin





From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Fri Aug 25 15:28:40 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 25 Aug 2000 08:28:40 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] SFX and Hagrid
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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 15:34:12 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:34:12 -0000
Subject: another contest - for kids in grades 4-8
Message-ID: <8o63lk+tk8m@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 48


Now that there are FOUR books about that magical hero, Harry Potter, 
we've gotten to know a lot about him. But there's probably plenty 
you'd like to tell Harry or his friends (or his enemies) about 
yourself. Well, here's your chance! 
Here's How to Enter 

Write a letter to Harry or any one of the characters from the Harry 
Potter series. 
You can pass along a story, ask advice, ask a question about the 
world of Harry Potter, or just say hello. 
Write your letter on an 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper and send it by 
October 27, 2000 to: Arrow's 2000 "Dear Harry Potter" Contest, c/o 
Scholastic Inc., 555 Broadway, New York, NY 10012-3999 
Be sure your name, age, teacher, school, grade, school address, and 
school phone number are written directly on your entry! 
Because the Harry Potter characters are fictional there will be no 
response to letters submitted. 

http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/contest/index.htm




From joym999 at aol.com  Fri Aug 25 15:55:35 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:55:35 -0000
Subject: What HP Character Scares You Most?
In-Reply-To: <8o4rl1+1b4m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o64tn+btbf@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 49

> I would have to say Voldemort is the scariest..... He is 
> frightening as Hitler was frightening: he is an evil person with  
huge power and nothing to stop him from using it, and he can 
definitely manipulate others into doing evil in his name.
> But he is also scary in the horror movie sense: he is a 
supernatural monster

This is one of my favorite things about the HP books, too.  Voldy is 
the scariest villian since Darth Vader, IMHO.  When I read the first 
chapter of GoF and realized that he had killed his own father and 
grandparents, it sent chills up my spine.  I too, was mentally 
screaming  NOOOOOooooo DONT GO IN THERE to Bryce.  Voldy is a 
genuinely, psychologically, believably evil bad guy.  

OT, but......The lack of a believable villain was one of things 
(along with the stupid CGI characters and effects) that ruined The 
Phantom Menace for me.  Palpatine was a believable villian, but Darth 
Maul was a ridiculous leering idiot who was not in the least scary.  
Sorry to go OT, but my Star Wars obsession is second only to my HP 
obsession.

I think that in future HP books, Voldy is going to be a very, very 
bad boy.




From joym999 at aol.com  Fri Aug 25 16:08:50 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:08:50 -0000
Subject: Casting
Message-ID: <8o65mi+3nae@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 50

What happened to the rumor that Patrick Stewart was in negotiations 
for a part in the movie?  I have 10 galleons bet on Stewart being 
cast as Dumbledore, but everyone seems to believe that Richard Harris 
has got the part (not bad casting, I hate to admit).  But I will be 
heartbroken if Stewart is not in the movie! <sob>




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:14:21 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:14:21 -0000
Subject: Casting
In-Reply-To: <8o65mi+3nae@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o660t+kjnl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 51

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Joywitch " <joym999 at a...> wrote:
> What happened to the rumor that Patrick Stewart was in negotiations 
> for a part in the movie?  I have 10 galleons bet on Stewart being 
> cast as Dumbledore, but everyone seems to believe that Richard 
Harris 
> has got the part (not bad casting, I hate to admit).  But I will be 
> heartbroken if Stewart is not in the movie! <sob>

And you probably don't want him to be Fudge, do you?
Just noted that the woman playing Petunia - Fiona Shaw - was in The 
Avengers - Ralph Fiennes, who looked very good in a bowler hat in 
that movie, would probably make a reasonably good Fudge, except that 
he might be a little too young. And we probably can't have him as 
Fudge and his little brother Joseph as Lupin since they just look too 
much alike. 
And I'm putting in another vote for Rufus Sewell as Sirius - I saw 
cold comfort farm again last night. Wow.




From dorband at uwp.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:21:01 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (dorband at uwp.edu)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:21:01 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore
Message-ID: <8o66dd+nutl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 52


   I'm puzzled about Dumbledore:

   Early on we find out that he's a great wizard and a great man. We 
are led to believe that Harry will be absolutely safe while at 
Hogwarts under his protection. He himself tells Harry that he 
(Dumbledore) doesn't need a cloak to be(come) invisible...

 ...it seems like his "greatness" is inconsistent - he is, at times, 
able to do, and feel and know so much...and sometimes not. 

 Harry has not been completely safe under Dumbledore's protection - 
every story involves someone or something evil within Hogwarts, 
including Voldemort (or at least Voldemort's current body under 
Quirrel's turbin).  In CoS, Nagini slithers through the very heart of 
Hogwart's, presumably, having been there for Dumbledore's entire
stint 
as headmaster.  In PoA, especially, but throughout the series really, 
we have Peter Pettigrew in the form of Scabbers within the walls of 
Hogwart's.  And in GoF we have the whole fake Moody scenario, again 
for the entire school year!  The portkey...all of these instances 
occur well within Dumbledore's realm of protection.
 
 ...yet, how could Dumbledore lack the sensitivity, the intuition,
how 
could he not FEEL the presence of Voldemort under Quirrel's purple 
turbin for an entire school year?!? Same for the fake Moody - it
   just seems like a wizard as great as Dumbledore is ought to be
more 
able to SENSE danger when it's so close.

   This is certainly not a fatal flaw - for character or writer. Just 
my thoughts...

Hail Hufflepuff!
the Badgers' Kin





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Aug 25 16:43:07 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:43:07 -0000
Subject: My e-mail
In-Reply-To: <20000825144930.963.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8o67mr+9b1d@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 53

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Paul Kippes <kippesp at y...> wrote:
 
<<The founder doesn't see this.  They always see the full e-mail 
address.  I guess they figure the founder isn't likely to spam 
his/her members.   Good thing I'm not the founder.  Or rather, good 
thing Neil's not the founder.>>

Hrmph!! [Neil pretends to be very insulted by this].  Er - thanks a 
bunch!!  Now I'll have to shelve my plans to let you all know how you 
can make an easy $5,000 a week by forwarding this message to twenty 
close friends and-by-the-way-if-you-don't-you-grow-warts-and-DIE!

******

>   Mike & Susan Gray <MikeSusanGray at Y...> wrote: 

<<Funny--I thought *I* was that member! It must show your own address 
in full; everyone else's gets abbreviated.>>

Yes.  I can be slow on the uptake sometimes, but looks like I'm in 
good company.  BTW, one day, Mike&Susan, will you decide if you want 
to be Mike or Susan?  Take that step, baby! [Entschuldigung...]

> BTW, if you *don't* want all your other lists to discover that they 
have a mechanimagus in their midst, you might open a new Egroups 
account with your Yahoo Email address (which, I presume, is 
Flying_Ford_etc.)

I don't care what they think [he screamed], I've come out of the 
garage now and my hand's on the gear stick! Oh... pity I can't steer 
this thing.  

Also, I think my real name should appear *somewhere*.

Neil  






From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Fri Aug 25 16:53:08 2000
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:53:08 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <8o66dd+nutl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000825094210.02370b00@pop.mindspring.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 54

At 04:21 PM 8/25/00 +0000, dorband at uwp.edu wrote:
>    Early on we find out that he's a great wizard and a great man. We
>are led to believe that Harry will be absolutely safe while at
>Hogwarts under his protection. He himself tells Harry that he
>(Dumbledore) doesn't need a cloak to be(come) invisible...

Dumbledore has the same problem as Ozma in the Oz books.  Time
and again Baum assures us that Ozma is a great and wise ruler,
and yet many of her actions "onscreen" seem to suggest that she has
all the wisdom and leadership skills of Hagrid.  But IMHO it almost *has*
to be this way -- if Ozma is totally infallible, then there's no 
story.  (As it is,
many Oz books are "ruined" by Ozma materializing at the last minute and
fixing everything in one fell swoop.)  But of course, this necessary emphasis
on Ozma's mistakes leaves us with a probably "unfair and biased" view of her
actual competence.  The same is true, I think, of Dumbledore, though it
*would* be nice if JKR showed us his power a little more frequently...



                                                 -- Dave




From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Fri Aug 25 17:00:06 2000
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:00:06 -0700
Subject: Snakes (was: Dumbledore)
In-Reply-To: <8o66dd+nutl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000825095552.025264e0@pop.mindspring.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 55

At 04:21 PM 8/25/00 +0000, dorband at uwp.edu wrote:
>In CoS, Nagini slithers through the very heart of
>Hogwart's, presumably, having been there for Dumbledore's entire
>stint as headmaster.

Ummm... Nagini and the basilisk aren't one in the same are they???
(I kind of had the impression that Harry killed the latter and that
the former was a bit smaller, maybe anaconda-sized.)

Is anyone besides me hoping the Boa from the "vanishing glass"
episode returns to help Harry?  (I feel snakes are getting a very
bad rap in this series and JKR should show us a nice one...)



                                                 -- Dave




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:57:30 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:57:30 -0000
Subject: Big Halloween Costume News!
Message-ID: <8o68hq+no0n@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 56

http://www.wbstore.com/store/wbss.product.asp?
pfid=173776&mscssid=JVF7UL1263S92P4600A3HET506VRDNM5

Just like magic, any kid can instantly transform themselves into 
Hogwarts young wizard with the season's hottest new costume! Includes 
a hooded black wizard's robe with purple lining and the Hogwarts 
school crest. A pair of Harry Potter glasses taped in the middle 
finishes off this magical costume. Polyester. Machine wash. Imported. 
Glasses fit most children. Kids: M, L, XL #HM161 Harry Potter cape 
#HM186 Harry Potter glasses 

I've put a photo of the costume from the wb website into the FILES 
here - and I hope anyone whose kids go as Harry, Hermione, Ron or 
other Hogwarts students (or non-tall adults dressed for the Alumni 
Reunion) puts their photos up there as well. 




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Aug 25 17:03:50 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:03:50 -0000
Subject: SFX and Hagrid... and casting
In-Reply-To: <20000825152840.13871.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <8o68tm+9q97@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 57

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, voicelady at m... wrote:
> On Fri, 25 August 2000, "Steve Bates" wrote:
> 
> > I can't believe this just occurred to me, but aren't they going 
to  need some serious special effects to make Robbie Coltrane look a 
lot  bigger?  they need to make Hagrid look larger than life without 
making it look fake.  Neat trick if you can do it
> 
> Well, the FX people managed to pull it off quite well in The Green 
Mile, so I'd be willing to wager that the same technique will be 
applied here.


***

I agree.  Making Robbie Coltrane look 10ft tall should be a doddle.  
I know what Dee means about Martin Short as the Mad Hatter.  I could 
hardly believe what they did with his head in that Alice adaptation.  
Incidentally, Robbie Coltrane was also in that film.  He played one 
of Tweedledum or Tweedledee, alongside George Wendt.  He's a bit 
taller than George, but not outlandishly high in stature.

The more I hear about this cast, the happier I feel.  A Shakespearean 
actor of Fiona Shaw's standing, playing a small part?  Ian Hart is no 
struggling bit part actor either.  They must be falling over each 
other to be in this film.  The funny thing is, hardly any of the 
actors (Rickman and Smith being the exceptions) have been suggested 
by us, but they all seem just right for the parts. 

I wish they'd announce who's playing Draco and Dudley and Filch and 
the ghosts and the Gryffindor Quidditch team, and all the rest.  I 
want to see them all NOW!

Neil [...will keep taking the tablets]










From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 17:08:22 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:08:22 -0000
Subject: I caught a golden snitch
Message-ID: <8o6966+pmre@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 58

http://www.wbstore.com/store/wbss.product.asp?
pfid=173453&m=WSS003&category=1098&topcat=999&artistno=999&mscssid=JVF
7UL1263S92P4600A3HET506VRDNM5

Unfortunately, I don't have a broomstick to attach it to, so my car 
keys will have to do. 





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Aug 25 17:20:10 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:20:10 -0400
Subject: FW: my Amazon.co.uk order 
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A7F7@FTLEXC1>

No: HPFGUIDX 59



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From dorband at uwp.edu  Fri Aug 25 17:32:11 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (Brian Dorband)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:32:11 -0000
Subject: Snakes (was: Dumbledore)
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000825095552.025264e0@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <8o6air+rqpu@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 60



> Ummm... Nagini and the basilisk aren't one in the same are they???
> (I kind of had the impression that Harry killed the latter and that
> the former was a bit smaller, maybe anaconda-sized.)


Yes, I s'pose you are right...which means that there is a rotting 
basilisk carcass in the Chamber of Secrets to this very day...btw, do 
you think that basilisk was a forerunner to nagini? or just a snake 
that grew real big inside the Chamber?  

> Is anyone besides me hoping the Boa from the "vanishing glass"
> episode returns to help Harry?  (I feel snakes are getting a very
> bad rap in this series and JKR should show us a nice one...)


Yes, that would be appropriate since he was the first snake we met, 
and every one since has been EVIL!  Or, perhaps THAT snake WAS
Nagini, 
and he went off to rendezvous with V, perhaps alert him that Harry 
Potter was a parseltongue.  If that's the case, then Nagini, as well 
as Pettigrew, owes Harry for saving his life - or at least giving him 
his freedom...


Hail Hufflepuff!
the Badgers'Kin




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 17:45:42 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:45:42 -0400
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <003801c00ebc$4dff6e80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 61

Robin Williams to star in Liberace

LOS ANGELES (Billboard) - Robin Williams has come aboard to develop and topline "Liberace," a biopic to be directed by Philip Kaufman. The project, being described as being similar to "The People vs. Larry Flynt," centers on the rise of Liberace's career through his death in 1987. Born Wladziu Valentino Liberace, the entertainer was a child prodigy who emerged as a concert soloist by age 11 and performed with symphony orchestras in his teens. As an adult during the 1950s, Liberace - often flamboyantly dressed in rhinestones, gold lame, furs and sequins - became a star with his records and television and film appearances. The performer made headlines in 1959 when he successfully sued London's Daily Mirror for implying that he was gay. 

I guess we don't have to worry about him being in SS!

Grins.  Btw, I love him as an actor, it's just not the right setting (unless you are the person who posted that earlier message,lol!)



:)
<<<<<<<-

Feather headed Dee

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 17:49:35 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:49:35 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Keychains
References: <8o6air+rqpu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c00ebc$d56ffa60$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 62

            Product is unavailable right now
            sorry for the inconvenience! 
     


I wish I knew what it was that she was going to hang from her car keys, and not her broomstick?  Whatever it was was too popular!

Grins!
Dee
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From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Aug 25 17:56:15 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:15 -0700
Subject: Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age & Dumbledore's Triumphant Look)
In-Reply-To: <000b01c00e92$f174ed80$8b71023e@SHASTA>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCECGCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 63

AH!  Nothing beats the old classics for entertainment.

Say, now that Fleur might get a job at Hogwarts, maybe she'll be the one to
teach... er... "broomstick riding" to the youngsters -- seems a natural
subject for a part-Veela.  And "Wizard Family Planning - Charms That Never
Fail" for the upperclassmen.



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Susan Gray [mailto:MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:50 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: McGonagall's Age & Dumbledore's
Triumphant Look


<<Wouldn't that put them at Hogwarts at the same time, in a sort
of 'Lady Chatterly's Lover' scenario?  >>

EUREKA!!!!

OK, I've got it:  If McGonogall is actually Lady Chatterly, then Dumbledore
must be Clifford--ergo, Dumbledore is impotent.

Now: why is Dumbledore impotent?

Easy: in his desperate battle with the evil wizard something-or-other back
in 1945, Dumbledore, once a broom rider and wand waver of shocking vigor,
released the very essence of his natural powers into that which this group
has already identified as the magical symbol of a wizard's natural potency:
his wand.  This monumental sacrifice saved the world, but it also consigned
Dumbledore to spinsterhood.

The Triumph: But as Harry began his story at the end of GoF, Dumbledore had
already guessed why the big V. couldn't sizzle Harry: priori incatatem.  And
suddenly, he saw the light: if only he can find someone whose wand shares
the same magical bits as his, they could have a duel and Dumbledore's wand
would be forced to release its burgeoning powers.  Dumbledore jumped up to
look at Harry's arm because he was so excited he couldn't sit still.  In
fact, he didn't even pick up the fact that the big V. had managed to gain
through Harry's blood.

The REAL Plot: So the true battle will pitch Hagrid's size & relative youth
against Dumbledore's skill and craft, while the big V. realizes that he
needs more than Harry's blood to get himself up to speed!

Title of the next Book: Harry Potter and the Dirty Old Wizards

Tschsslis!

Mike

----------------

Mike Gray
ETG Erlenbach & Zrich        M. 076 / 578 59 92
Im Bindschdler 24            G. & P. 01 / 915 59 92
8703 Erlenbach                mailto:MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com
Switzerland


This statement is a lie, albeit a true one.



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From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Aug 25 17:56:19 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:19 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] A  Memo From Chris Columbus
In-Reply-To: <8o6132+2gj8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEECGCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 64

Outstanding!  This one's a real ROFL gem!!



-----Original Message-----
From: heidi tandy [mailto:heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:50 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] A Memo From Chris Columbus


WARNING - THIS IS SATIRE!

Hogwarts McNuggets?
A leaked e-mail from director Chris Columbus reveals his 
controversial plans for the Harry Potter movie.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By James Hibberd

Aug. 24, 2000 | FROM: Chris Columbus, Director 
TO: Dan Fellman, President, Warner Bros. Pictures 
RE: HPSS 





From HPforGrownups at egroups.com  Fri Aug 25 17:55:30 2000
From: HPforGrownups at egroups.com (HPforGrownups at egroups.com)
Date: 25 Aug 2000 17:55:30 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HPforGrownups 
Message-ID: <967226130.20504@egroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 65


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPforGrownups 
group.

  File        : /Merchandise/snitch.jpg 
  Uploaded by : heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu 
  Description : a picture of the Golden Snitch Keychain 

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/HPforGrownups/Merchandise/snitch%2Ejpg 

To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

http://www.egroups.com/help/files.html


Regards,

heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu
 






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 17:56:45 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:56:45 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups]  For Rita...
References: <003801c00ebc$4dff6e80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006501c00ebd$d6016f80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 66

Here's something for you~!

      /\   /\
   <  0   0  >
     \~<>~/
      ****

It's a cat, of course.

Speaking of Rita's, did anyone pick up something (and it was just disguised by spoilers, so I missed it?

Skeeter=mosquito=bug?

Penny, please do contact me when you get a chance, I am still not certain when exactly the deadline is!

Thanks!
Dee
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From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Fri Aug 25 18:16:45 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:16:45 -0000
Subject: You know, I saw that version of David Copperfield
Message-ID: <8o6d6d+mubr@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 67

and I completely forgot that Maggie Smith was in it with young 
Daniel!  Anyway, they worked wonderfully together, and I'm getting 
more excited - expecially after checking out the cast photos in our 
new library.




From joym999 at aol.com  Fri Aug 25 18:36:25 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:36:25 -0000
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <003801c00ebc$4dff6e80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8o6eb9+pkqn@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 68

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> Robin Williams to star in Liberace
[snip]
> I guess we don't have to worry about him being in SS!
> 

I dont know, I kind of liked the idea of Robin Williams as Peeves.  
And if Liberace were still alive, he might have made a pretty good 
Gilderoy Lockhart!




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Aug 25 19:02:51 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:02:51 -0000
Subject: Miscellaneous
Message-ID: <8o6fsr+l9s4@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 69

Hi everyone --

Looks like more & more of us are migrating over to egroups.  I think 
this is going to work very well.  Several things --

1.  I just made Melanie a co-Moderator as she was with Yahoo.  

2.  Smitster (Paul) pointed out to me that the default egroups
setting 
is to only allow 100 messages per group per day.  Something to do
with 
spamming.  This can be increased by contacting Customer Support, and
I 
have contacted them.  But, it may be 1-2 days before they get it 
changed.  So, some of the messages that people post later today may 
get moved to tomorrow?  I'm not sure.  I don't know if they just die 
or if they go into a queue & get sent tomorrow.  

3.  Smitster is also working hard to get all our Yahoo messages 
archived at a separate egroups site.  It's not created yet, and we'll 
let you know when it's ready for access.  You will be able to go
there 
& search the old messages but it won't allow anyone to post anything 
new there.  

4.  You may notice that I've added some legal mumbo-jumbo to the
group 
description since yesterday.  Heidi & I (both lawyers) had been 
discussing the need to have this language so that we can create the 
FAQs.  We also thought we needed it over on Yahoo and were about to 
discuss the issue when we made the call to move over here.  We needed 
it even more at Yahoo because we needed to be able to legally move
the 
messages over from Yahoo to a separate site.  Hopefully, noone will 
have any real concerns with this, but if you do, Heidi stands at the 
ready to answer your questions.  

Sidenote to Melanie -- Heidi & I will email you something to house at 
the Club FAQs section.  These pages will need some modification also 
to reflect that we're no longer a Yahoo Club.  Whenever you have time 
though.  

5.  Dee (GypsyCaine) -- I have a favor to ask.  Please turn off your 
email feature that causes me to have to send you a message everytime
I 
open one of your messages.  Please.  Thanks.  <g>  Some of your 
messages are also coming through in some weird format, but that may
be 
something to do with my browser.  Is anyone else having difficulty 
reading Dee's messages?  

Okay, I think that's all the admin stuff for the moment.  It may take 
awhile to get everything organized, but I think  this will be a
better 
place for us to be.  

Penny






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 19:05:55 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:05:55 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Miscellaneous
References: <8o6fsr+l9s4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00e001c00ec7$7f4e69e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 70

I killed the option to "receipt" messages not soon after opening my mailbox today.  It kept receipting myself too! and that got annoying.  As for format of my messages, I haven't a club.  I keep getting different formats each time I hit reply--I think it might be outlook express?  One of the differences between yahoo and egroups....lol.

Sorry about bugging folks.  
:|
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Penny Linsenmayer 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:02 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Miscellaneous


  Hi everyone --

  Looks like more & more of us are migrating over to egroups.  I think 
  this is going to work very well.  Several things --

  1.  I just made Melanie a co-Moderator as she was with Yahoo.  

  2.  Smitster (Paul) pointed out to me that the default egroups
  setting 
  is to only allow 100 messages per group per day.  Something to do
  with 
  spamming.  This can be increased by contacting Customer Support, and
  I 
  have contacted them.  But, it may be 1-2 days before they get it 
  changed.  So, some of the messages that people post later today may 
  get moved to tomorrow?  I'm not sure.  I don't know if they just die 
  or if they go into a queue & get sent tomorrow.  

  3.  Smitster is also working hard to get all our Yahoo messages 
  archived at a separate egroups site.  It's not created yet, and we'll 
  let you know when it's ready for access.  You will be able to go
  there 
  & search the old messages but it won't allow anyone to post anything 
  new there.  

  4.  You may notice that I've added some legal mumbo-jumbo to the
  group 
  description since yesterday.  Heidi & I (both lawyers) had been 
  discussing the need to have this language so that we can create the 
  FAQs.  We also thought we needed it over on Yahoo and were about to 
  discuss the issue when we made the call to move over here.  We needed 
  it even more at Yahoo because we needed to be able to legally move
  the 
  messages over from Yahoo to a separate site.  Hopefully, noone will 
  have any real concerns with this, but if you do, Heidi stands at the 
  ready to answer your questions.  

  Sidenote to Melanie -- Heidi & I will email you something to house at 
  the Club FAQs section.  These pages will need some modification also 
  to reflect that we're no longer a Yahoo Club.  Whenever you have time 
  though.  

  5.  Dee (GypsyCaine) -- I have a favor to ask.  Please turn off your 
  email feature that causes me to have to send you a message everytime
  I 
  open one of your messages.  Please.  Thanks.  <g>  Some of your 
  messages are also coming through in some weird format, but that may
  be 
  something to do with my browser.  Is anyone else having difficulty 
  reading Dee's messages?  

  Okay, I think that's all the admin stuff for the moment.  It may take 
  awhile to get everything organized, but I think  this will be a
  better 
  place for us to be.  

  Penny




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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 19:35:28 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:28 -0400
Subject: Contest....
Message-ID: <012101c00ecb$a0638300$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 71

Why must the rules state under 18, sighs?  It's discrimination~!    

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From MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 20:41:48 2000
From: MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com (Mike & Susan Gray)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:41:48 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <8o66dd+nutl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c00ed4$e4ac0bf0$8b71023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 72

>    I'm puzzled about Dumbledore:
<SNIP>
>  Harry has not been completely safe under Dumbledore's protection -

You can say that again!  People I talk to about Dumbledore seem to come to a
few different conclusions.  #1 is that JKR is just inconsistent and hasn't
thought out Dumbledore carefully enough.  #2 is that Dumbledore is actually
a bad guy.  #3 is that Dumbledore is so wise he knows exactly how much
danger and evil Harry needs.  #4 is that Dumbledore shows his humanity
precisely through the lapses in his all-knowingness.  I like #3 and #4 best.

Tschusslis!

Mike

----------------

Mike Gray
ETG Erlenbach & Zurich        M. 076 / 578 59 92
Im Bindschadler 24            G. & P. 01 / 915 59 92
8703 Erlenbach                mailto:MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com
Switzerland


This statement is a lie, albeit a true one.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 20:45:05 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:45:05 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] English-to-English translatations
References: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A7ED@FTLEXC1>
Message-ID: <016801c00ed5$598846a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 73

RE: [HPforGrownups] McGonagall's AgeAfter listening more to GoF, I have gotten to the point of the bouncing ferret (LOL!), and heard the term "dustbin" again.  Now, I understand this term, for one of my favorite occupations is Dustbin Diving (which I learned from Lovejoy--loved that show).  How many average Americans will know that term, though?  That might be one of those words that are translated for "dumb Americans".

:)
Dee

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From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Fri Aug 25 21:07:01 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:07:01 -0000
Subject: OK, yes, I changed a few things.
In-Reply-To: <8o6144+1q70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o6n5l+se7l@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 74

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Dee (Denise) Rohleder" 
<gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> Like, now everyone knows my real name!  I was stalked by two people 
> online, and I switched my name over at yahoo to (Mr.)Rogers.  Now, 
> you all can see my real last name.  Also, my alternate email is now 

Youser!  That sounds nasty.  However, I would suggest that you 
uncheck the place that says "put in profile" and then nothing but the 
shortened edress goes down.




From laura_reb at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 21:14:14 2000
From: laura_reb at hotmail.com (laura_reb at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:14:14 -0000
Subject: Yay!!!
Message-ID: <8o6nj6+r1vm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 75

How happy we are in our own little egroup!! Yay! This will be good, I 
think. Oh! I almost forgot. On Yahoo you all knew me as quizical_joan 
But this is me. Happy to be with you all! Tsch?ss!
Lau




From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Fri Aug 25 21:16:19 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:16:19 -0000
Subject: Snakes (was: Dumbledore)
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000825095552.025264e0@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <8o6nn3+it0a@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 76

--- In HPoups.com, Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at m...> wrote:

> Ummm... Nagini and the basilisk aren't one in the same are they???
> (I kind of had the impression that Harry killed the latter and that
> the former was a bit smaller, maybe anaconda-sized.)

My impression also.  Harry definitely killed the basilisk.  I got the 
impression that he met Nagini is Bulgaria or whereever it was he was 
living after SS.

> Is anyone besides me hoping the Boa from the "vanishing glass"
> episode returns to help Harry?  (I feel snakes are getting a very
> bad rap in this series and JKR should show us a nice one...)

Interesting thought.  I like it.  I always wondered how the boa was 
going to get off the island of the UK and get to Brazil.  I pictured 
him stowing away on a transport ship or something (well, at least 
they wouldn't have rat problems on the ship.)

Maybe all snakes aren't bad.

Vicki




From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Fri Aug 25 21:21:33 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:21:33 -0000
Subject: SFX and Hagrid... and casting
In-Reply-To: <8o68tm+9q97@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o6o0t+2p5p@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 77

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Flying Ford Anglia" 
<neilward at d...> wrote:
> The more I hear about this cast, the happier I feel.  A 
Shakespearean > actor of Fiona Shaw's standing, playing a small 
part?  Ian Hart is no > struggling bit part actor either.  They must 
be falling over each > other to be in this film.

This is going to be one of the biggest british films in years in 
terms of world distribution and possibly money making.  It also has 
the possibility to be several films, if the first is as successful as 
hoped.

I'm not surprised they want to be in on it.  Plus, Harry Potter is 
the biggest British property released to the world in years.  It will 
already go down in history and no film has yet been made.  Of course, 
the first film COULD be a disaster and sink out of sight, but with 
talent like this, its still looking "cautiously hopeful."

Vicki




From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Fri Aug 25 21:27:03 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:27:03 -0000
Subject: Snakes (was: Dumbledore)
In-Reply-To: <8o6air+rqpu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o6ob7+bqpu@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 78

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Brian Dorband" <dorband at u...> 
wrote:
 
> and every one since has been EVIL!  Or, perhaps THAT snake WAS
> Nagini, 
> and he went off to rendezvous with V, perhaps alert him that Harry 
> Potter was a parseltongue.  If that's the case, then Nagini, as 

No, i don't think it was the same snake.  The boa was too cheerful, 
if a snake can be considered cheerful.  He winked at Harry, and he 
was resignedly rolling his eyes about the Dursley glass tapping.  
He/she just seemed like too nice a snake.  He seemed excited about 
the possibility of seeing Brazil.

Oh, just thought of this.  Nagini is milked, implying she is venomous 
and that that's what keeps V alive until he gets his body, but the 
boa is a constrictor, and its teeth wouldn't work like that; So they 
can't be the same.

vicki




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 21:27:34 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:27:34 -0000
Subject: Hi.
Message-ID: <8o6oc6+rgv8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 79

Well I think that this move to Egroups was wise, I like what I've 
seen so far.  I can always think of the most intelligent things to 
post when I don't has access to a computer, but now all I can think 
to say is "Wasn't that a good book?"

It was funny to me to discover the other day that my school has a 
willow tree.  Now that is also sad because after over a year I had 
yet to notice it.!  Anywho, I saw it and I thought Whomping Willow... 
I looked at the breeze moving through the branches fully expecting it 
to lash out and Hit me.  Am I going crazy? (well yes but that isn't 
the point)...I seem to look at things in a Harry Potter way all the 
time now. 

Scott




From dorband at uwp.edu  Fri Aug 25 21:29:18 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:29:18 -0000
Subject: other fan-fic?
Message-ID: <8o6ofe+4jsm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 80

I never thought I'd enjoy HP fanfic, but after hearing about PoU a 
number of times, I decided to read it...quite good; very different 
from the "real" books, of course, but still.  Then I read a Sirius 
Affair...Penny and Carole, what a terrific job so far!  Then I read 
the Hermione Granger interview, and I think I'm developing a taste
for 
this genre - you folks are very good!!!

Are there any more out there that someone would recommend?  I know 
there are thousands, but really, I'd like a hint at some of the
better 
ones, in you opinion.  TIA


Hail Hufflepuff!!!
the Badgers' kin




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 21:33:34 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:33:34 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Essay Contest Held
In-Reply-To: <01be01c00ea2$ca591360$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8o6one+jqa2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 81

*rubs hands together devilishly*

Considering that I'm not even eligible for my learner's permit for 
another nine months, I suppose I'm under 18... sounds pretty 
interesting... now, how have these books changed my life?

"Hi, my name is Sue and I'm a Potterholic.  I spend every waking 
moment not occupied by Field Hockey Practices From Hell and Band 
Practices From the *Fiery Pits* of Hell on the computer, typing 
incoherent e-mails to eGroups and pounding out page upon page of 
bizarre fanfic.  Oh, and did I mention that I'm head-over-heels for 
Draco Malfoy?"

Somehow, I don't think the judges will go for that, and I will 
certainly end up in an institution.

*
--Alicia/Sue "PG-13" Spinnet

"Everybody's doin' the fish, yeah, yeah, yeah." --Reel Big 
Fish, "Trendy"

Last Movie Seen: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"
Discman's Spinning: "Rubber Soul", The Beatles
Current Book: "Angela's Ashes", Frank McCourt 
*


--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Denise 
>   To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:33 AM
>   Subject: Harry Potter Essay Contest Held 
> 
> 
>   NEW YORK (AP) - Calling all muggles who would like to meet the 
author of the Harry Potter series: You can. 
> 
>   Scholastic Inc., publisher of the hit series on the endearing boy 
wizard, is sponsoring a ``How the Harry Potter Books Have Changed My 
Life'' contest. Ten winners will get to fly to New York and dine with 
author J.K. Rowling on Oct. 19 during her next U.S. media tour. 
> 
>   No word on whether the food will be as tempting as the Hogwarts' 
feasts described in Rowling's latest book, ``Harry Potter and the 
Goblet of Fire.'' 
> 
>   The rules: 
> 
>   - Essay must be 300 words or less. 
> 
>   - Authors must be 18 or under as of Sept. 11. 
> 
>   - Open to residents of the continental United States. 
> 
>   - Include name, address, age, gender, telephone number and a 
signed parental consent form. 
> 
>   - Must be postmarked by Sept. 11. 
> 
>   - Mail to ``How the Harry Potter Books Changed My Life'' Contest, 
Attn. Lauren Jones, Scholastic Inc., 555 Broadway, New York, N.Y. 
10012.




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Aug 25 21:38:01 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:38:01 -0000
Subject: Chat
Message-ID: <8o6ovp+ca6l@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 82

For the last few weeks (about 3 months) there has been a online chat 
on Sunday evenings (Well in BST it is evening). Are we going to move 
this onto to e-gorups as well or stick on Yahoo? If we do move this 
to e-groups then does anyone know how the chat works here? Is it the 
same as on Yahoo?

Simon




From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 21:47:56 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Arthur Weasley)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:47:56 -0000
Subject: testing
Message-ID: <8o6pic+sm70@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 83

 Beam me up Hagrid!  Where am I?  Are there any intelligent life 
forms on this message board?

Hi everyone.  Just trying out this new system.

I think my first message was erased.  My wand got bent and sparks 
keep shooting out.






From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 21:54:59 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:54:59 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Essay Contest Held
In-Reply-To: <8o6one+jqa2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o6pvj+h6s2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 84


He He He....

I guess there are some advantages to being in this club and not being 
an Adult!  I will most decidedly enter, hey maybe we will both win!! 
(now there's a thought, even if its not a very realistic one...as I 
doubt that I would win.)

Now I wonder what these judges want.  Sentimentally sappy sentences 
like  "...Harry Potter has opened my eyes to the injustices of 
society through the House-Elves causing me start my own organisation 
for the protection of the underprivledged, which is currently 
expanding into 122 countries..." Not Hardly.  Maybe I'll go for the 
"Total Freak" aproach "...Ever since  I first read Harry Potter I 
have worn Black robes to school and I got a lightning bolt tattoo on 
my forehead... sincerely Harry..." Ok forget I'm not changing my 
name, and I won't get a tattoo.

Any Ideas?

Harry "Scott" Potter

Yeah Right!!!






From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Fri Aug 25 21:58:11 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:58:11 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
Message-ID: <id.25082000175811.00000@FPE>

No: HPFGUIDX 85

<On Yahoo you all knew me as quizical_joan>
Late nights all alone with her test tubes, oh, oh oh ohhhh

I've been meaning to say that for ages now!



From kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 22:03:33 2000
From: kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com (kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:03:33 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000825094210.02370b00@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <8o6qfl+2u27@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 86

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at m...> 
wrote:
> At 04:21 PM 8/25/00 +0000, dorband at u... wrote:
> >    Early on we find out that he's a great wizard and a great man.
We
> >are led to believe that Harry will be absolutely safe while at
> >Hogwarts under his protection. He himself tells Harry that he
> >(Dumbledore) doesn't need a cloak to be(come) invisible...
> 
> Dumbledore has the same problem as Ozma in the Oz books.  Time
> and again Baum assures us that Ozma is a great and wise ruler,
> and yet many of her actions "onscreen" seem to suggest that she has
> all the wisdom and leadership skills of Hagrid.  But IMHO it almost
*has*
> to be this way -- if Ozma is totally infallible, then there's no 
> story.  (As it is,
> many Oz books are "ruined" by Ozma materializing at the last minute
and
> fixing everything in one fell swoop.)  But of course, this
necessary emphasis
> on Ozma's mistakes leaves us with a probably "unfair and biased"
view of her
> actual competence.  The same is true, I think, of Dumbledore,
though it
> *would* be nice if JKR showed us his power a little more
frequently...
> 
> 
> 
>
                                                  -- Dave

I like to think that Dumbledore is right on top of things at
Hogwarts. 
I think the old saying, "Keep your friends close, but your enemies 
closer," could certainly apply here.  I think Dumbledore knows
exactly 
who and what roam the castle day and night.  Harry is being groomed,
I 
think, for wizard greatness as it were, under the omnipresent 
Dumbledore, he's there to lead and guide Harry, much the way Merlin
was 
a teacher for Arthur.  Dumbledore is always there for Harry when he 
needs him most.  Dumbledore's "greatness" is quiet and gentle, he 
allows Harry to learn for himself, to tap into his own bravery and 
perhaps, his own greatness one day....Just a thought.





From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 22:11:34 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:11:34 -0000
Subject: Music for the movie, and in the books.
Message-ID: <8o6qum+prps@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 87

I believe that someone said that the music for Harry Potter is to be 
composed by the same person as Star Wars, which I've never seen.  I'm 
thinking now that I imagined reading this, please help.  

I can say that I saw Home alone and I loved that movie, though I was 
eight (I think) at the time. 

To me the Hardest musical things to create would be the Howarts 
Anthem, ands the song of the Pheonix, so we shall see.

Scott  




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 25 23:19:42 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:19:42 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat
References: <8o6ovp+ca6l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c00eea$f6ac5880$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 88

PLEASE, DON'T MOVE THE CHAT!!!!  Now that I have that off my chest....

Seriously, I think until someone gets a chance to investigate the chatroom possibilities here in egroups, we are "safer" working with YAHOO Chats.

My opinion of course.

;)
Dee    

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Simon Branford 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:38 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat


  For the last few weeks (about 3 months) there has been a online chat 
  on Sunday evenings (Well in BST it is evening). Are we going to move 
  this onto to e-gorups as well or stick on Yahoo? If we do move this 
  to e-groups then does anyone know how the chat works here? Is it the 
  same as on Yahoo?

  Simon


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From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Aug 25 23:27:09 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:27:09 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?
In-Reply-To: <8o6ofe+4jsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIECOCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 89

Good Fan Fic available at http://www.fanfiction.net


"Call of the Wild" by WolfieTwins

All the stories by Blaise!

"Cub Scout" by Moon


[By the way, I was known as Danemead on Yahoo, and I'm still the same pesky
person here that I was over there!]



-----Original Message-----
From: badgers' kin [mailto:dorband at uwp.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:29 PM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?


I never thought I'd enjoy HP fanfic, but after hearing about PoU a
number of times, I decided to read it...quite good; very different
from the "real" books, of course, but still.  Then I read a Sirius
Affair...Penny and Carole, what a terrific job so far!  Then I read
the Hermione Granger interview, and I think I'm developing a taste
for
this genre - you folks are very good!!!

Are there any more out there that someone would recommend?  I know
there are thousands, but really, I'd like a hint at some of the
better
ones, in you opinion.  TIA


Hail Hufflepuff!!!
the Badgers' kin



To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Aug 25 23:52:07 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:52:07 -0700
Subject: Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <8o6qfl+2u27@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGECPCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 90


On one hand, I get a very uneasy feeling when I realize that Dumbledore has
come close to losing Harry several times due to situations in which it is
obvious to us (the readers) that he should not have missed.  Harry was
nearly killed in SS after Dumbledore was called away to London.  It was
Harry who rescued Ginny from the CoS, and nearly died again, while
Dumbledore was sitting in McGonagall's office comforting the Weasleys. And
besides, no one had noticed Ginny's troubled behavior during the school
year -- surely McGonagall, as her Housemaster/mistress, should have been
paying closer attention.  Harry's life was in jeopardy from the Dementors,
and possibly Sirius and Lupin (for all Prof D knew), in PoA.  And in GoF,
Dumbledore failed to notice that his old friend Moody was not quite the
thing, again nearly costing Harry his life twice in one night.

But it would be a mistake for Dumbledore to over-protect Harry.  I think he
is letting Harry go through certain things, certain ordeals, in order to
strengthen him.  It's amazing how often this pre-teen/teenage boy can
survive things that would eliminate most of the adults around him.  I guess
that is the nature of this story of fiction -- the kids always outsmart and
outperform the adults.

I wonder if there is an explanation as to why a person can PORTKEY into
Hogwarts and out of Hogwarts, when Apparating is impossible.  Surely that
would mean there is a major basic flaw in the defenses around the school.
What's to stop Lord V or the Death Eaters from Portkeying themselves to
Harry's bedside in the middle of the night and killing him in his sleep?

Are we all too obsessed?  (Yeah, but who cares....)




From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 00:05:59 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Randy Estes)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore
Message-ID: <20000826000559.12725.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 91

There is  a sixth sense that Dumbledore has about
everything that Harry must face.  Nothing that he
cannot overcome will be thrown at him, I believe. 
Perhaps Dumbledore has read JKR's outline for the
seven books and decided to relax and enjoy the ride!

By the way, I used to be known as estesrandy on HP4GU.
I decided to reveal my true identity on this egroup.

--- Sister Mary Lunatic <klaatu at primenet.com> wrote:
> 
> On one hand, I get a very uneasy feeling when I
> realize that Dumbledore has
> come close to losing Harry several times due to
> situations in which it is
> obvious to us (the readers) that he should not have
> missed.  Harry was
> nearly killed in SS after Dumbledore was called away
> to London.  It was
> Harry who rescued Ginny from the CoS, and nearly
> died again, while
> Dumbledore was sitting in McGonagall's office
> comforting the Weasleys. And
> besides, no one had noticed Ginny's troubled
> behavior during the school
> year -- surely McGonagall, as her
> Housemaster/mistress, should have been
> paying closer attention.  Harry's life was in
> jeopardy from the Dementors,
> and possibly Sirius and Lupin (for all Prof D knew),
> in PoA.  And in GoF,
> Dumbledore failed to notice that his old friend
> Moody was not quite the
> thing, again nearly costing Harry his life twice in
> one night.
> 
> But it would be a mistake for Dumbledore to
> over-protect Harry.  I think he
> is letting Harry go through certain things, certain
> ordeals, in order to
> strengthen him.  It's amazing how often this
> pre-teen/teenage boy can
> survive things that would eliminate most of the
> adults around him.  I guess
> that is the nature of this story of fiction -- the
> kids always outsmart and
> outperform the adults.
> 
> I wonder if there is an explanation as to why a
> person can PORTKEY into
> Hogwarts and out of Hogwarts, when Apparating is
> impossible.  Surely that
> would mean there is a major basic flaw in the
> defenses around the school.
> What's to stop Lord V or the Death Eaters from
> Portkeying themselves to
> Harry's bedside in the middle of the night and
> killing him in his sleep?
> 
> Are we all too obsessed?  (Yeah, but who cares....)
> 
> 


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From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Aug 26 00:30:32 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:30:32 -0500
Subject: Snakes
Message-ID: <39A70FA8.A013A07F@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 92

Hi:

SNAKES: Well, like Dave, I generally like snakes -- had 2 pet garter
snakes as a kid.

The basilisk & Nagini would not be high on my list though. The basilisk
is an actual mythological creature -- Heidi will know more when she does
the Mythology FAQ, but I believe it's something to do with the egg being
nested in a particular way, etc.  Harry killed the basilisk (so, yes, as
far as we know, there is a rotting basilisk carcass in the Chamber).

Nagini sounds to me like she is a cobra.  For one thing, the name
reminds me strongly of the snakes in Riki Tiki Tavi -- Nag & Nagana I
think.  It definitely sounds to me as though she is venomous and that
Wormtail was "milking" her venom to sustain Voldemort.  Poisonous snakes
are often "milked" of their venom for pharmaceuticals & other medical
research.

Snakes do seem to be an important theme in the books.  Slytherin;
Voldemort's connection with snakes; parseltongue; there's a serpent
emerging from the skull for the dark mark.  I'm sure we haven't seen the
last of snakes in the series.

 I think if the boa returned to do Harry a favor at some point, it would
be great.  The snakes are getting a bad rap in general.  <g>

Penny




From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Aug 26 00:31:09 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:31:09 -0000
Subject: This & That
Message-ID: <8o734d+q375@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 93

Hi --

Various posts I want to clear out of my in-box.  <g>

Karin wrote:<<<I think the move is a good thing, although it might be 
a bit like Apparating without a license:  there's a good chance we'll 
get splinched.  :)>>>

I had to laugh at that one!!!

Ebony asked:  <<<are there any aspects or characters in the Harry 
Potter books that creep you out?>>>

I'm with you on that one -- the Dementors!!!  When I'm having a 
bad day, I will often sign messages to one of my HP friends as
"Penny, 
who has that Dementor-sucked-out-my-soul feeling today"

>From Neil <<<<<(I said) I had a raging headache & decided to watch my 
favorite movie of all time to try & get rid of the headache ("When 
Harry Met Sally").>><<<  

Neil answered: <<<Can I be a bit obvious and say 'shouldn't that read 
"When Harry Met Hermione"?'>>>>

Well, even though I'm a strong & devoted H/H shipper, the movie I 
actually was referring to is titled "When Harry Met Sally."  It
*is* 
about 2 best friends who fall in love though!  <vbg>  Nora Ephron -- 
1989 or 1990.  

Jim wrote: <<<Rather than have a huge list of cast photos 
scrolling off the screen I think this area needs to be organized into 
smaller chunks.  I'm thinking of multiple folders under the "cast 
photos" main folder.>>>

I'm all in favor of organization -- feel free to add as much 
organization structure to that section as you want!  Let me know if 
you need Melanie or I to help with that (if there are things only the 
moderators can do).  I'm going to be busy with the FAQs and other 
admin stuff related to this move, so I won't turn my attention to the 
photos for awhile.

Penny




From lrcjestes at msn.com  Sat Aug 26 01:12:49 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:12:49 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIECOCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c00efa$c41817a0$898fd6ce@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 94



> Good Fan Fic available at http://www.fanfiction.net
>
>
> "Call of the Wild" by WolfieTwins

This one is good. Very very rich in detail...a bit on the darker side and
not enough romance for my personal tastes, but very well done

> [By the way, I was known as Danemead on Yahoo, and I'm still the same
pesky
> person here that I was over there!]
>

I didn't know you two were the same!!!!  I know I liked posts from both of
you on these various forums....this is cool!

carole






From recla at magick.net  Sat Aug 26 01:34:45 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Prof.  Dumbledore)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:34:45 -0000
Subject: Deja Vu - from "The Witches"
Message-ID: <8o76rl+n49l@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 95

While in London, last week, I picked up a copy of Roald Dahls "The 
Witches".  It tells about how terrible witches are and how they try 
to squish and squiggle the children of the world. 

Most interesting was.. the main character, a young boy.  Whos parents 
are killed in an automobile crash, in which he receives on a jagged 
cut on his forehead.  Ummmmmm !!!!!!     Deja Vu ????  

Only a little ways into the book (Audio Tape) will report the outcome 
later in the week. It's this weeks "ride to work tape".

The book also mentions that there are probaly only about 100 or so 
Witches in England.  ha!!


dr








From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 01:43:57 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:43:57 -0000
Subject: other fan-fic?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c00efa$c41817a0$898fd6ce@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <8o77ct+lhrq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 96

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "lrcjestes" <lrcjestes at m...> wrote 
to Danemead:
> > I didn't know you two were the same!!!!  I know I liked posts 
from both of
> you on these various forums....this is cool!

Ditto for me!  I don't know why I never made the connection... ;)

In addition to WolfieTwins, Blaise (who's a HP4GU club member), and 
Lori, check out Hyphen's stuff at www.fanfiction.net.  It's pretty 
good and geared more toward grown folks.  My favorite story by Hyphen 
is Oh Come All Ye Faithful--a must read for those who want to 
understand Peter's rationale for betraying his friends.  Also pretty 
funny and a tad raunchy--nothing tasteless.

Club member Alicia Spinnet has some of the better FF authors featured 
on her homepage.  The URL is 
http://gurlpages.com/alicia.spinnet/fics.html , and it's worth a look.

Another recently re-vamped archive, "Legacy of the Legends" is run by 
authors Virgo, Delphi, Moxie and there's one more who's name I cannot 
remember.  Still under construction, looks promising.  URL:  
http://www.geocities.com/legacyofthelegends/index.html

For you Sirius fans, there's the Dog Star, mentioned before at 
Yahoo!  Mostly dark, angsty stuff.  I'll repost the URL: 
http://www.redrival.com/dogstar/main.html

There.  That should get you started.

Side note--I'd like to see more from Club member Jim AKA "Dadgrid".  
His first fic was already mentioned--let me recommend it too.

I'd like it if other Club members who are writing/have written/will 
write fic would post and tell us what they've written.  Some of the 
minds I've met in my few weeks here are simply outstanding.  I'd love 
to see what some of *you* could do with the characters.

Ebony AKA AngieJ (your unofficial advocate/mascot for HP Fanfic,  
Grownup Style)




From laura_reb at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 01:47:09 2000
From: laura_reb at hotmail.com (Laura Briscoe)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:47:09 -0000
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
In-Reply-To: <id.25082000175811.00000@FPE>
Message-ID: <8o77it+nb2d@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 97

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "voicelady" <voicelady at m...> wrote:
> <On Yahoo you all knew me as quizical_joan>
> Late nights all alone with her test tubes, oh, oh oh ohhhh
> 
> I've been meaning to say that for ages now!

SOMEONE ACUALLY GETS IT!!!!!! YAAAAY!!!!! 
(I must say you are acually the first - kudos to you!)




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 26 02:03:47 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (Joy )
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:03:47 -0000
Subject: I Made It!
Message-ID: <8o78i3+lpb6@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 98

Hi guys,

I'm so glad we made this transition to eGroups.  It's been driving me 
crazy having to read the messages on the Web.  How are we working 
this?  Should we continue discussions started in Yahoo in the Club?  
Or should we reply to them over here?  Forgive me if this has been 
covered... I'm not caught up on all the posts.  Thanks!

~Joy~




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Aug 26 02:41:38 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:41:38 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: other fan-fic?
In-Reply-To: <8o77ct+lhrq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEDBCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 99

You guys are making me blush... Thank you for the kind words!


-----Original Message-----
From: Ebony Elizabeth Thomas [mailto:ebonyink at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:44 PM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: other fan-fic?


--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "lrcjestes" <lrcjestes at m...> wrote 
to Danemead:
> > I didn't know you two were the same!!!!  I know I liked posts 
from both of
> you on these various forums....this is cool!

Ditto for me!  I don't know why I never made the connection... ;)





From brooksar at indy.net  Sat Aug 26 02:42:07 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks A. Rowlett)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:42:07 -0500
Subject: Some egroups mail stuff
References: <967238064.11374@egroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A72E80.1A930BC5@indy.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 100

Brooks here.  Brooksindy on Yahoo, brooksar at indy.net on my 'home' account.

I am a long time egroups user, and an adminstrator in three groups, and
want to mention some important stuff.

1) If you are getting the list via email, you can set your mail to
'Digest', so when about 25 messages accumulate, depending on their size;
or once a day, whichever comes first, a digest will be sent out.  The
digest has all the text of the messages, but no attachments.  (In fact I
think it would be best if this group was set that way for all
messages.... I think a large group not devoted to file exchange, is
better served going that route - for one thing it prevents accidental
attachments of overlarge files; for another it prevents virus
transmission.  So I recommend the listowners do that).  

The advantage to digest is that all the headers are stripped off
individual messages, so you get a slightly smaller storage usage if you
leave things in your inbox, as a batch of messages are grouped together.
 The disadvantage is, messages may not be as timely, and it puts some
responsiblity on you when replying.

2) If you get Digest mode, which I have already set my subscription to,
make sure your reply does NOT automatically quote the message you are
replying to - else you will send that entire digest back to the group. 
Which will then show up in the next digest too.  If the founders don't
yell at you, other people will.

If you are going to reply to one or more messages in a digest, it is
most polite to copy and paste the topic of the individual message into
your subject line; and similarly to copy and paste to quote only the
portions of that individual message, not the whole Digest. (This is a
sore point for me on some lists, hence my emphasis on it.)

3) You can set your profile to not be shown to the group.  The main
point of profiles are to ID yourself to other members in some way if you
care to, and to ID yourself and assert you are of sufficient age, in
restricted groups.

Micros**t Lookout! (yeah, I know it is really backwards from that, but
let's face it, Lookout! is what you have to do every time you use it
thanks to viruses and the like) and some other mailers can be set to
send mail formatted with HTML.  MS's even defaults to that, I believe. 
PLEASE TURN THAT OFF WHEN SENDING TO EGROUPS.  Many people still use
text-based readers, and having HTML puts in a lot of extraneous
characters and more than doubles the size of a message.  More than that,
the digest are automatically sent out as plain text only, so anybody who
gets those will have to wade through that HTML formatting even if they
normally do read mail with HTML active.  It's a pain and a waste.  So
find the place in the preference or options of whatever you use for mail
that says "send mail formatted with html" or "Send mail in plain text
only" and make sure that you are set to text only.  Turn HTML off. 
(That is probably the mail format problem that was mentioned earlier.)  

Administrators   you have my permission to quote and modify this to put
in the List FAQ and any 'welcome to this group ' auto-send file you create.

-Brooks



From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 02:43:06 2000
From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:43:06 -0000
Subject: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
Message-ID: <8o7arq+3pi0@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 101

Dear friends,
As the school year rapidly approaches, I find myself hyperventilating 
at the thought of all the work I have to do <exaggerating slightly>.
I am afraid that I will have to take a brief sabbatical from this 
lovely group to get myself in gear.  :(
Before I go, however, here are some brief thoughts based on some past 
messages.  I know I'm probably breaking some rules doing this, but I 
want to conserve messages.
1.) BANKS:  Neil mentioned the fact that the wizarding world has only 
one bank, Gringotts.  Does anyone else think that there could be 
Gringotts branches throughout the world, just as muggle banks have 
branches?  Also, if Hermione can have muggle money changed into 
wizard money (book 2, I think), then can Harry do the opposite and 
have some spending money for his time at the Dursley's?
2.) MOVIE:  Is anyone else worried about Emma (Hermione) and Rupert 
(Ron)'s lack of acting experience?  They have both acted in school 
plays, but that's it...
3.) AGES:  When I mentioned that my sister dated a 26-year-old when 
she was 18, Melanie mentioned that this was probably not as bad as 
the Hermione/Viktor age issue.  Well, while my parents didn't seem 
affected by it, it put a real damper on the relationship.  In the end 
they had nothing to talk about...they literally came from two 
different 
generations.  
4.) HALF-BLOODS:  Did we ever decide how muggle children figure out 
how to get to Hogwarts?  How do they know about Diagon Alley and owls 
and the like?  
5.) MERCHANDISE:  Is the Hallmark stuff available yet?
6.) DISCUSSION:  Penny, Melanie, are there any open character/chapter 
discussions?
These are just some things for everyone to ponder over.  Hope 
everyone is well.
~Kaitlin




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 03:14:43 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:14:43 -0000
Subject: Randomness-- Both On-T and OT
In-Reply-To: <8o7arq+3pi0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o7cn3+n8lq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 102

Hello!

Kaitlin's not alone.  Starting next Wednesday, the hours previously 
spent cheerily tapping away at the computer will be occupied by 
insubstantial, insipid classes taught by lifeless excuses for 
teachers.  Combine this horror with the time taken up by my 
extracurricular activities (*shrugs* they keep my distaste for the 
apathy of my disillusioned suburbanite life at a minimum), and my HP 
time is drastically reduced.  However, I'll be making an effort to 
post when I can, and certainly checking the messages at least once a 
day!

Incidentally, I'm uncharacteristically nervous about my sophomore 
year.  Chalk it up to being the new Big Fish in the small High School 
Pond-- as the only student in my school who actually has a small bit 
of enthusiasm about their future left, I somehow wound up being a 
starter on the field hockey team, president of the Junior Rotary 
Society, band secretary, head of the AV squad, and assistant editor 
of the newspaper.  I'm still trying to figure it out... WHY did all 
of my friends have to graduate?  They're supposed to do this stuff, 
not me!  *wails and laments*

Yeah, I just got royally OT.  Feel free to flame me.  ^_^

Anyway-- a bit of randomness to drag this post back to a topical 
discussion.

--Casting: The kids are adorable, 'nuff said.  Although Daniel does 
need to get a pair of specs that wouldn't look more appropriate of 
someone three years his junior.

--Fanfic: I seem to recall a statement made by Ebony aka AngieJ a 
while back-- "Looking for fics at ff.n is a bit like being a forty-
niner."  Something along those lines.  Well, I couldn't agree more 
with that statement.  

--About 33% of the fics posted are the efforts of sweet-yet-
overzealous 11-year-olds who are trying their damndest to write 
well.  I can never bring myself to flame even the most awful of these-
- I fully well remember being 11 years old and struggling to write a 
35-page original story on the computer, and no matter how terrible it 
was, everyone always smiled and said that it was cute.  Some of these 
kids could turn out pretty well in a few years.

--A good half of the stories are written by whiny teenagers; this is 
the category into which I fall.  ^_^  Some have SPG mistakes all over 
the place; some are meticulously edited; and still some are written 
in obscene font sizes.  This is the land of the Mary Sues and 
clich?s, and tends to be the breeding ground for both raw angst
and acerbically hormonal humor.  (I'm one of the scary people who 
writes the latter.)

--10% are just plain gross-out, indecent carnivals of vulgarity-- 
authors such as FuBaR and... and... well, er, FuBaR.

--And the other (wrinkles her nose as she attempts to add up the 
percentages-- math is her worst subject) 7% (?) are fics such 
as "PoU" and "ASA", which really should be highlighted when they're 
posted so that the titles stand out as much as the writing itself.
    
*
--Alicia/Sue "PG-13" Spinnet

"Everybody's doin' the fish, yeah, yeah, yeah." --Reel Big 
Fish, "Trendy"

Last Movie Seen: "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"
Discman's Spinning: "Rubber Soul", The Beatles
Current Book: "Angela's Ashes", Frank McCourt
*


--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, ReinaKata02 at y... wrote:
> Dear friends,
> As the school year rapidly approaches, I find myself 
hyperventilating 
> at the thought of all the work I have to do <exaggerating slightly>.
> I am afraid that I will have to take a brief sabbatical from this 
> lovely group to get myself in gear.  :(





From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Aug 26 03:20:59 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:20:59 -0500
Subject: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
References: <8o7arq+3pi0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A7379B.7F2B0B2A@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 103

Hi --

ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com wrote:

> 1.) BANKS:  Neil mentioned the fact that the wizarding world has only
> one bank, Gringotts.  Does anyone else think that there could be
> Gringotts branches throughout the world, just as muggle banks have
> branches?

Yes -- Bill Weasley works for Gringotts in Egypt after all.  One wonders
if Gringotts headquarters is in fact in Egypt and perhaps Diagon Alley
is in fact a "branch."  Why else would Bill choose to work in Egypt?  I
imagine they have branches in all countries with wizarding populations.

>  Also, if Hermione can have muggle money changed into
> wizard money (book 2, I think), then can Harry do the opposite and
> have some spending money for his time at the Dursley's?

You would think so -- although he doesn't seem to (otherwise he wouldn't
have needed care packages from his friends in GoF).

> 2.) MOVIE:  Is anyone else worried about Emma (Hermione) and Rupert
> (Ron)'s lack of acting experience?  They have both acted in school
> plays, but that's it...

Well, I thought that Emma & Rupert were actually more at-ease &
articulate during the BBC press conference than Dan (the one that Nick
gave us the link to).  In fact, some commentator noted that Emma seemed
like an old-hand with the press.  I'm pleased so far with all 3 of
them.  Everyone's got to start somewhere.  I think if JKR is pleased
with the choices (and from all accounts, she is), then we should
probably approach their casting with an open mind.

> 3.) AGES:  When I mentioned that my sister dated a 26-year-old when
> she was 18, Melanie mentioned that this was probably not as bad as
> the Hermione/Viktor age issue.  Well, while my parents didn't seem
> affected by it, it put a real damper on the relationship.  In the end
> they had nothing to talk about...they literally came from two
> different generations.

That's especially true in the Hermione/Krum context.  He's entering the
adult world, and even though girls generally mature faster than boys, I
have the impression that Hermione isn't ready for as much as Krum
wanted.  And, I don't think the interest level was really there.  I
think she was flattered but didn't really see it as anything too
serious.

> 5.) MERCHANDISE:  Is the Hallmark stuff available yet?

I'm dying to know this too.  Someone on hpanonymous said they reserved
Hallmark & Dept 56 merchandise.  She's never responded to my request as
to *where* she reserved this merchandise.  Heidi -- you're pretty up on
the merchandise angle.  Any thoughts?

> 6.) DISCUSSION:  Penny, Melanie, are there any open character/chapter
> discussions?

Yes -- take a look at --
http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/discussion.html

We hope you rejoin us soon Kaitlin --

Penny
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From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 26 03:36:41 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:36:41 -0400
Subject: Moderators Only...?
Message-ID: <00d601c00f0e$da2cc5e0$0100000a@joywelan>

No: HPFGUIDX 104

Is it appropriate for non-moderator people to add links/pictures to the
group collections?  I don't want to overstep my bounds.  Oh, and if it is
allowed... I'd be more than willing to help with the "moving" process.

~Joy~




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 26 03:43:50 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:43:50 -0400
Subject: The Archive
Message-ID: <00e201c00f0f$d977b140$0100000a@joywelan>

No: HPFGUIDX 105

Smitster...

Sorry to clog the group with a personal e-mail, but I couldn't find your
address.  I love the archive, the new name, and the new font!  Since you
said you were new to HTML, I hope you don't mind a few suggestions.

First, the title change doesn't show up in the page title bar.  I'm not sure
of the technical name for it, but it's the part of your browser that
displays a page's title.  The code that affects this should be near the top
of your HTML code, between <title> and </title>.  Second, I'm unable to view
the hit counter in my browser; not sure if it's just me.

Again, I'm not trying to be critical at all!  I just want to help where I
can, and web sites are something I'm reasonably good at.

~Joy~




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 03:49:40 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:49:40 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
References: <8o77it+nb2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00d201c00f10$aa5eb240$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 106

Hey, I am extra blonde tonight....  (esp from these kids.  I plopped in a movie, and made them lie down.  It's 11.48, someone SHOULD be asleep!)

Pllllllllllllllease explain?   I am asking nicely, even if you can't hear the tone of my voice (like a 3-year old who wants the cookies on the top of the fridge).

Dee    

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Laura Briscoe 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:47 PM
  Subject: Re:[HPforGrownups] Yay!!!


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "voicelady" <voicelady at m...> wrote:
  > <On Yahoo you all knew me as quizical_joan>
  > Late nights all alone with her test tubes, oh, oh oh ohhhh
  > 
  > I've been meaning to say that for ages now!

  SOMEONE ACUALLY GETS IT!!!!!! YAAAAY!!!!! 
  (I must say you are acually the first - kudos to you!)


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From laura_reb at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 03:59:05 2000
From: laura_reb at hotmail.com (Laura Briscoe)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:59:05 -0000
Subject: A Note on Dementors
Message-ID: <8o7fa9+r3gq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 107

I agree that they are very creepy, and as Dumbledore noted in GoF, I 
believe that they will play a large part in the future with
Voldemort, but I just recieved insight from my friends son on how
they 
should look! (considering that they make future movies after SS/PS...)

We were watching "A Muppet Christmas Carol" while I was babysitting 
him, and the ghost of "christmas yet to come" or whatever came on,
and Thomas yelled, "LOOK! It's a dementor!!!" And I realized he's 
completely right. Maybe WB should look into getting the Henson
company to do the puppets for Dementors!! Just a thought....

Laura ~joan




From laura_reb at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 04:02:31 2000
From: laura_reb at hotmail.com (Laura Briscoe)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:02:31 -0000
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
In-Reply-To: <00d201c00f10$aa5eb240$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8o7fgn+phc2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 108

The Beatles song, "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" (really quite a gory, 
morbid song...) lyrics are: Joan was quizical, studied patophysical 
science in the home... Late nights all alone with a test tube, Oh, oh 
oh oh. hehe It's on Abbey Road, I do believe. 



- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> Hey, I am extra blonde tonight....  (esp from these kids.  I
plopped 
in a movie, and made them lie down.  It's 11.48, someone SHOULD be 
asleep!)
> 
> Pllllllllllllllease explain?   I am asking nicely, even if you
can't 
hear the tone of my voice (like a 3-year old who wants the cookies on 
the top of the fridge).
> 
> Dee    
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Laura Briscoe 
>   To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:47 PM
>   Subject: Re:[HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
> 
> 
>   --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "voicelady" <voicelady at m...> 
wrote:
>


   > <On Yahoo you all knew me as quizical_joan>
>   > Late nights all alone with her test tubes, oh, oh oh ohhhh
>   > 
>   > I've been meaning to say that for ages now!
> 
>   SOMEONE ACUALLY GETS IT!!!!!! YAAAAY!!!!! 
>   (I must say you are acually the first - kudos to you!)
> 
> 
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From brooksar at indy.net  Sat Aug 26 04:06:42 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:06:42 -0000
Subject: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
In-Reply-To: <8o7arq+3pi0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o7foi+d2n0@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 109

> 3.) AGES:  When I mentioned that my sister dated a 26-year-old when 
> she was 18, Melanie mentioned that this was probably not as bad as 
> the Hermione/Viktor age issue.  Well, while my parents didn't seem 
> affected by it, it put a real damper on the relationship.  In the
end 
> they had nothing to talk about...they literally came from two 
> different  generations.  

Yup.  I want someone close to my age, old enough at least that she 
knows the Beatles as something more than the band McCartney was in 
before Wings.  (Anyody who says "McCartney was in a band?" gets extra 
demerits).

-Brooks
Die kaiserliche-und-konigliche Kriegsmarine Fan Club






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 04:05:45 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:05:45 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
References: <8o7fgn+phc2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012401c00f12$e9ae0de0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 110

I think it's time to dust off the tapes....  (*blows all the dust away from the heaped up collection in the closet)  I converted readily to CD, and sorta hid all the tapes...except for HP!
    
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Laura Briscoe 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:02 AM
  Subject: Re:[HPforGrownups] Yay!!!


  The Beatles song, "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" (really quite a gory, 
  morbid song...) lyrics are: Joan was quizical, studied patophysical 
  science in the home... Late nights all alone with a test tube, Oh, oh 
  oh oh. hehe It's on Abbey Road, I do believe. 



  - In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
  > Hey, I am extra blonde tonight....  (esp from these kids.  I
  plopped 
  in a movie, and made them lie down.  It's 11.48, someone SHOULD be 
  asleep!)
  > 
  > Pllllllllllllllease explain?   I am asking nicely, even if you
  can't 
  hear the tone of my voice (like a 3-year old who wants the cookies on 
  the top of the fridge).
  > 
  > Dee    
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Laura Briscoe 
  >   To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  >   Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:47 PM
  >   Subject: Re:[HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
  > 
  > 
  >   --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "voicelady" <voicelady at m...> 
  wrote:
  >


     > <On Yahoo you all knew me as quizical_joan>
  >   > Late nights all alone with her test tubes, oh, oh oh ohhhh
  >   > 
  >   > I've been meaning to say that for ages now!
  > 
  >   SOMEONE ACUALLY GETS IT!!!!!! YAAAAY!!!!! 
  >   (I must say you are acually the first - kudos to you!)
  > 
  > 
  > 
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 04:11:47 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:11:47 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
References: <8o7foi+d2n0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <014001c00f13$c1080f20$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 111

What, Brooks, do you want someone who can tell you who the Trogs are?

Lol.
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brooks R 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:06 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"


  > 3.) AGES:  When I mentioned that my sister dated a 26-year-old when 
  > she was 18, Melanie mentioned that this was probably not as bad as 
  > the Hermione/Viktor age issue.  Well, while my parents didn't seem 
  > affected by it, it put a real damper on the relationship.  In the
  end 
  > they had nothing to talk about...they literally came from two 
  > different  generations.  

  Yup.  I want someone close to my age, old enough at least that she 
  knows the Beatles as something more than the band McCartney was in 
  before Wings.  (Anyody who says "McCartney was in a band?" gets extra 
  demerits).

  -Brooks
  Die kaiserliche-und-konigliche Kriegsmarine Fan Club




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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 04:16:58 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:16:58 -0400
Subject: Interesting Casting thoughts....
References: <8o7fgn+phc2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015d01c00f14$7ac0eb80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 112

Watching Pete's Dragon, I realized how I pictured Ron while reading--like Pete!  The boy they found makes a better more modern looking Ron, but I guess I was stuck on Disney?

Disney-ditzy-headed blonde....  who needs sleep, but not until the toddlers go down... at least mine is sleeping (Ashley is SSSSTTTTTTTIIIIIIIILLLLLLL awake.  No wonder her mother looks like she doesn't get sleep--the baby is sleeping sooo peacefully!)


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From brooksar at indy.net  Sat Aug 26 04:31:00 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:31:00 -0000
Subject: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
In-Reply-To: <014001c00f13$c1080f20$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8o7h64+2rid@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 113

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> What, Brooks, do you want someone who can tell you who the Trogs
are?

to my 

>>   Yup.  I want someone close to my age, old enough at least that
she 
>>   knows the Beatles as something more than the band McCartney was
in 
>>   before Wings.  (Anyody who says "McCartney was in a band?" gets
extra 
>>   demerits).


Heh.  But it ain't the same if you didn't live it.

(I do NOT hold with "Anyone who says they can remember the 60's
wasn't 
actually there".)

 -Brooks
 Die kaiserliche-und-konigliche Kriegsmarine Fan Club





From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 04:35:47 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:35:47 -0000
Subject: Harry/Sally, fallible Dumbledore, Portkeys, and Wormtail's bravery
Message-ID: <8o7hf3+8i3u@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 114

Wow; I am not going down the shore until tomorrow after all; so I can 
take the time to put in my two sickles on a bunch of random topics.  
About "When Harry Met Sally":  didn't the title characters hate each 
other in the beginning, then progress to being friends, then to 
lovers?  Sounds like something that would appeal more to a 
Ron/Hermione shipper than a Harry/Hermione shipper.
About Dumbledore bumbling some of the time:  Just because he is a 
great wizard doesn't mean he is infallible or omniscient.  I mean, 
give the guy a break; how do you expect him to figure out that 
Scabbers was really Peter Pettigrew, who was supposed to be dead, but 
faked his own death and was hiding in the form of a rat for twelve 
years. . . If Dumbledore had jumped to that conclusion earlier, then 
I would really think there was something wrong with him.  And I 
notice that in at least two cases people have cited (Dumbledore being 
tricked to go to London in PS, and Dumbledore not realizing there was 
something strange about Moody in GoF) he *did* realize the truth just 
in time to come in and save the day.  Also, he certainly came up with 
a pretty resourceful way to fix things at the end of PoA.  So I think 
he is as great as his reputation says, just subtle enough that it is 
possible to overlook his accomplishments.
About being able to Portkey into Hogwarts, Voldermort probably needs 
someone on the inside, like Crouch, as it would make sense that the 
Portkey magic would have to be worked at both ends.  But if he 
already has someone in Hogwarts, he won't need to Portkey in: Catch 
22.
Also, while paging through PS today, I came across a section I had 
forgotten about, where Scabbers attacks Goyle on the train to protect 
Ron and Harry.  So that confirms what I said a while back about 
Wormtail having some bravery after all (which would help to make the 
case for his being in Gryffindor).  In addition, I wonder if this 
betrays a sentimental streak that Wormtail has for Harry.  I don't 
doubt that he would be perfectly willing at this point to hand Harry 
over to Voldemort, but I think in PS he betrayed that part of him 
still remembers his friendship with James and he wanted to help Harry 
then because of it.  This aspect of his personality combined with 
owing Harry his life just may help Wormtail reform in the end.




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Aug 26 05:00:59 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:00:59 -0700
Subject: Scary Characters
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCEDGCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 115

What characters do I find scary?

Actually, in Book 4, I found Fudge to be chillingly scary at the end.
People like him do more damage than the blatant bad guys sometimes.  The
Death Eaters scare me also, because they hide their identities.  They're not
OUT THERE like Voldemort is.  They are your next door neighbor, or one of
your co-workers.  Creepy.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 05:10:12 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:10:12 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
References: <8o7h64+2rid@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017301c00f1b$eaf78ec0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 116

I was there, at least barely... Grins.  (1968, August 29th)  I got to see both the Moon launch (mom said she sat me down in front of the television to watch it, and that I got excited), and hear about/watch Woodstock.

Funny thing, though.  My favorite song at that age?  Chicka-boom!  LOL

Guess that gives my age perfectly?
:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brooks R 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:31 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
  > What, Brooks, do you want someone who can tell you who the Trogs
  are?

  to my 

  >>   Yup.  I want someone close to my age, old enough at least that
  she 
  >>   knows the Beatles as something more than the band McCartney was
  in 
  >>   before Wings.  (Anyody who says "McCartney was in a band?" gets
  extra 
  >>   demerits).


  Heh.  But it ain't the same if you didn't live it.

  (I do NOT hold with "Anyone who says they can remember the 60's
  wasn't 
  actually there".)

  -Brooks
  Die kaiserliche-und-konigliche Kriegsmarine Fan Club



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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 05:25:08 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:25:08 -0400
Subject: Jim Dale, Pete's Dragon, movies and finally sleeping toddlers.
References: <8o7fgn+phc2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01a301c00f1e$017bcce0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 117

Watching the movie, I had forgotten when I plopped it in (unconsciously prolly recalled this!) that Jim was in a starring role!  I was just looking for a movie that my son fell asleep watching every time he watched it, and grabbed this one for that reason (two and some hours long, lol, and bedtime was 9, we popped it in at ten.  No wonder the napless boy fell asleep?)

Not only does he star, he also sings! (Every little piece)  I think he would have made a wonderful Dumbledore, but I will assume that that option is long gone, sigh.  Even the sorting hat, which I LOVE him as, would be great!


Can't tell I have been thinking HP all night, can you?  From Beauty and the Beast (Angela Lansbury) to Christmas version (Tim Curry) to Pete's Dragon?  All Disney, yes, but also all possible cast members.  I seriously think Tim Curry would make either a good Quirrel or a great Voldie!

My opinion, of course.....lol.

(The Voldie would be CGI, of course, and only Tim's voice would be heard in that case.....  like he's not used to doing voice-only parts?)

:)
Dee

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 05:32:24 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) Rohleder)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:32:24 -0000
Subject: Harry/Sally
In-Reply-To: <8o7hf3+8i3u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o7kp8+ssb7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 118

> About "When Harry Met Sally":  didn't the title characters hate 
each 
> other in the beginning, then progress to being friends, then to 
> lovers?  


I think my favorite part of H/S was the cafeteria scene.  I learned a 
few bedroom tricks in that movie!  LOL!  Winks.

Seriously, I thought that was sooo kewl.  A friend told me it 
wouldn't work in real life, and then bet me on it.  So I pulled it 
off, just like her.  Everyone was staring at us too!  Alot of blue-
haired ladies.....

Chuckling,
Dee





From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 08:35:28 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:35:28 -0000
Subject: other fan-fic?
In-Reply-To: <8o6ofe+4jsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o7vgg+nj2o@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 119

Other people have beat me to recommending 'Call of the Wild,' which 
is a more than outstanding story!  So I'll second that, and I'll also 
second Hyphen.    

I'd add CLS and Moon to your list of excellent authors - both adults, 
both writing extremely good stories individually, as well as 
collaborating to produce 'Call of the Wild.'

Morrigan, who is a lurking member of this club and also an adult, 
writes superb pieces which I strongly recommend if you like wit and 
depth of emotion.

Thank you, all you lovely people who praised my work! *blush*  I 
suppose I should mention that I've finally finished with the fourth 
chapter of 'A Second Chance,' so you can read that too.   

~Blaise.           




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Aug 26 08:52:10 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:52:10 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: SFX and Hagrid... and casting
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000826085210.0072c368@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 120

At 21:21 08/25/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>This is going to be one of the biggest british films in years in 
>terms of world distribution and possibly money making.  It also has 
>the possibility to be several films, if the first is as successful as 
>hoped.

Actually, it's going to be one of the biggest *American* films in years,
albeit with a British cast.  Sadly, the British film industry still doesn't
have the financial backing it needs to take on such a massive project, (and
unless someone knows otherwise - I'm guessing the backing for this film is
also American).  If a British film company had wanted the film rights, I'm
fairly sure JKR and Bloomsbury would have favoured that option.

That said, I'm cautiously optimistic about this film.  The actor choices are
great so far and I think the special effects will be spot on.  The music is
my main bugbear: John Williams' music makes me think 'rousing, generic,
overblown orchestrations', and it does have the stamp of 'kids' glossy
blockbuster special' on it.  I'm still thinking of Philip Glass - that sort
of vaguely medieval/madrigal type stuff he did for 'The Cook, The Thief, His
Wife and Her Lover' or 'Prospero's Books' would be perfect.  

Neil





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Aug 26 08:52:12 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:52:12 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Potter Essay Contest Held
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000826085212.009e1628@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 121

At 21:33 08/25/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>*rubs hands together devilishly*
>
>Considering that I'm not even eligible for my learner's permit for 
>another nine months, I suppose I'm under 18... sounds pretty 
>interesting... now, how have these books changed my life?

I hope you and Scott both enter the essay contest - you can be our Triwizard
Champions. But, if one of you wins just don't touch that shiny trophy, okay?

Neil





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Aug 26 08:52:13 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:52:13 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000826085213.00703e7c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 122


>[By the way, I was known as Danemead on Yahoo, and I'm still the same pesky
>person here that I was over there!]

I'm also reeling from this news.  I had no idea Danemead and Sister Mary
were the same person.  In fact, Danemead, I don't know who you are at all -
you're all aliases!  [I'm assuming klaatu is a reference to 'The Day The
Earth Stood Still'? and not your real name].

This is like everyone ripping off their Moody masks in unison, to reveal a
bunch of Crouch juniors lurking underneath. It would be nice if
dramatically-restyled people could indicate their Yahoo IDs for a while...
just to aid the transition.  I can hope.

Neil  

 






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Aug 26 08:52:14 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:52:14 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] This & That
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000826085214.009d791c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 123

At 00:31 08/26/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>Neil answered: <<<Can I be a bit obvious and say 'shouldn't that read 
>"When Harry Met Hermione"?'>>>>
>
>Well, even though I'm a strong & devoted H/H shipper, the movie I 
>actually was referring to is titled "When Harry Met Sally."  It
>*is* about 2 best friends who fall in love though!  <vbg>  Nora Ephron -- 
>1989 or 1990.  

Sorry Penny, I know the film "When Harry Met Sally", I was just having a
gentle dig at your propensity for H/H shipping!

Hmmm - is Meg Ryan's hair bushy?

Neil






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Aug 26 08:52:18 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:52:18 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Scary Characters
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000826085218.009ef168@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 124

At 22:00 08/25/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>What characters do I find scary?
>
>Actually, in Book 4, I found Fudge to be chillingly scary at the end.
>People like him do more damage than the blatant bad guys sometimes.  The
>Death Eaters scare me also, because they hide their identities.  They're not
>OUT THERE like Voldemort is.  They are your next door neighbor, or one of
>your co-workers.  Creepy.

I agree with you about the Death Eaters, particularly that scene in GoF
where they are taunting the muggle family. The KKK allusion sent a chill
down my spine - literally.  Brrrr! There is no way I would read that to a
young child.  For me, that (following the killing of Frank Bryce in Chapter
1) was the coming-of-age scene for the HP series.  

I also got goose-pimply about Fudge and Dumbledore's behaviour in places and
for, some reason, Crookshanks gives me the creeps.  People and things
behaving out of character creates a sense of foreboding.  Voldemort is just
too hammy and B.A.D. to be scary - he's a complete pantomime villain and
would probably look great with a twirly moustache once he has enough face to
grow one. Mind you, the scene with Quirrel/Voldemort sharing a head at the
end of PS is chilling. 

I'm not easily scared by 'monsters' like the Basilisk, the Dementors or
Aragog.  I've always loved horror films, but it's usually the psychological
beasts that spook me - the innocents who turn out to be the serial killers
or vampires.  It's the shadows and noises that do it, because the things you
can't see are invariably more frightening that the things you can. 

'Son of Neil'

***

Coming soon: "Godzilla meets the Mechanimagus" - a gorefest of flesh and
metal!!!

 







From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 08:51:49 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:51:49 -0000
Subject: SFX and Hagrid
In-Reply-To: <8o60lg+4087@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o80f5+o3s6@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 125

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Steve Bates" <spicoli323 at h...> 
wrote:

> how tall is Hagrid (I picture seven or eight feet tall for Hagrid)? 

At least once the books describe him as twice as tall as a normal
man, and three times as wide. Twice as tall as a normal man would be 
ten to twelve feet. Even at ten feet, I can't imagine how he could 
possibly have gotten into The Hut on The Rock without breaking its 
shabby roof open!

I was disappointed to see that the word in the subject line was Sfx 
rather than Sex.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 08:50:38 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:50:38 -0700
Subject: For Rita....
Message-ID: <39A784DE.65257C88@wicca.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 126

Rita Winston wrote:

> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> Here's something for you~!
>
>       /\   /\
>    <  0   0  >
>      \~<>~/
>       ****
>
> It's a cat, of course.

Meow!

My sig file art was given to me by my domestic partner, Tim, who stole
it from someone's sig on one of his porn newsgroups.
--
          /\ /\
           + +     Mews and views
         >> = <<         from Rita Prince Winston

                     ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._
                     `6_ 6  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)
                     (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'
                    _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,'
                   ((('   (((-(((''  ((((
=====================================================
And., in this impossible place UNDER the sign, is another cat that Tim
stole for me somewhere.

         Zz
          zZ
       |\ z    _,,,---,,_
       /,`.-'`'    _   ;-;;,_
      |,4-  ) )-,_..;\ (  `'-'
     '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)

--






From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Aug 26 09:07:47 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:07:47 +0100
Subject: The Archive, Some egroups mail stuff
In-Reply-To: <00e201c00f0f$d977b140$0100000a@joywelan>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEBICHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 127

"First, the title change doesn't show up in the page title bar.  I'm not
sure of the technical name for it"

I believe it is called the meta title, but I do not have much knowledge of
HTML and all that I do have is self taught.

"Second, I'm unable to view the hit counter in my browser; not sure if it's
just me."

I believe this is just you. I can view it. It does not update when I visit
the page, but I believe this is because of an option I have selected.

Smitster has made a good job of the archive and the HTML is simple yet
effective - something that is uncommon for newbie's to the HTML world (have
a look at any page that has been converted from MS word - they are very
heavy on HTML tags). HTML tags, most of which are unneeded, increase the
download time, for pages, massively and some people on the group will be
paying per minute for time on-line.

"and some other mailers can be set to send mail formatted with HTML.  MS's
even defaults to that, I believe."

Netscape also defaults to this.

"If you are going to reply to one or more messages in a digest, it is most
polite to copy and paste the topic of the individual message into your
subject line; and similarly to copy and paste to quote only the portions of
that individual message, not the whole Digest. (This is a sore point for me
on some lists, hence my emphasis on it.)"

Please change the subject line to a good indication of the message subject.
On e-groups there is no, or at least a longer, maximum subject length so
people can be more descriptive. Please can people also remember to change
the subject line if the message changes subject. This is especially
important during the chapter discussions where things may go off topic or
change to incorporate other subjects very quickly. Some of us do not read
all the messages and decide on which to read by the subject line.

Simon




From MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 09:26:06 2000
From: MikeSusanGray at Yahoo.com (Mike & Susan Gray)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:26:06 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Some egroups mail stuff
In-Reply-To: <39A72E80.1A930BC5@indy.net>
Message-ID: <006301c00f3f$a9ccee30$8b71023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 128

> (In fact I
> think it would be best if this group was set that way for all
> messages.... I think a large group not devoted to file exchange, is
> better served going that route - for one thing it prevents accidental
> attachments of overlarge files; for another it prevents virus
> transmission.  So I recommend the listowners do that).

Please don't!  Getting emails piping hot, right off their creators'
keyboards, is one of the things I like best about having HP4GU on Egroups.
People who want digests can order them.

> If you are going to reply to one or more messages in a digest, it is
> most polite to copy and paste the topic of the individual message into
> your subject line; and similarly to copy and paste to quote only the
> portions of that individual message, not the whole Digest. (This is a
> sore point for me on some lists, hence my emphasis on it.)

And that's the other reason I don't like digests: you always get a fair
number of posts with names like RE: RE: RE: [BlahBlah] Daily Digest Number
7649204 Part 37.  The worst of it is that I've accidentally sent quite a few
of them ...

What I don't understand: Egroups offered me the option to turn off HTML
capabilities--but I'm still getting HTML messages.  Does that only mean that
I can't *send* HTML??

Tschusslis!

Mike

----------------

This statement is a lie, albeit a true one.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 09:35:20 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:35:20 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore and Basilisk
In-Reply-To: <8o66dd+nutl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o830o+jhm2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 129

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, dorband at u... wrote:
> 
>    I'm puzzled about Dumbledore:
> 
> He himself tells Harry that he (Dumbledore) doesn't need a cloak 
> to be(come) invisible...

Whenever I read that scene, I wonder whether he meant that he used an 
invisibility spell, or whether he meant that he simply used the 
technique of being very still and quiet so as not to be noticed, or 
whether he meant that Harry hadn't even been looking anywhere except 
toward the mirror and would have missed noticing a college 
marching band playing Let's Get It On.
> 
> In CoS, Nagini slithers through the very heart of Hogwart's,
> presumably, having been there for Dumbledore's entire stint 
> as headmaster. 

People have already pointed out that Nagini is not the Basilisk. 
While the Basilisk had been there during Dumbledore's entire career 
at Hogwarts, it had been in some kind of suspended animation except 
when awakened by the Heir of Slytherin, and I don't blame Dumbledore 
for not knowing about an entity in suspended animation in a magically 
hidden chamber.

I have a problem with JKR's insistence on basilisk being a kind of 
snake. I thought basilisks were more like a dragon or a lizard (there 
IS a genus of lizard named basilisk here in Muggle-land). I recall 
very clearly that the cockatrice is hatched from an egg laid by a 
rooster and it is something like a toad body with chicken head and 
snake tail, and it has some terribly deadly attributes that I can't 
remember just now, and the basilisk is the offspring of the 
cockatrice and has all those deadly attributes plus another one, and 
a basilisk looks like a cockatrice except it has another head at the 
end of its tail. And I DON'T recall anything about spiders!

But I just went Web searching and everything I've found so far says 
that cockatrice and basilisk are the same creature. Here's the most 
interesting one, Encyclopedia Mythica:

The mythical king of the serpents. The basilisk, or cockatrice, is a 
creature that is born from a spherical, yolkless egg, laid during the 
days of Sirius (the Dog Star) by a seven-year-old rooster and hatched 
by a toad. 

The basilisk could have originated from the horned adder or hooded
cobra from India. Pliny the Elder described it simply as a snake with
a golden crown. By the Middle Ages, it had become a snake with
the head of a cock, and sometimes with the head a human. (snip) 

According to legend, there are two species of the creature. The first
kind burns everything it approaches, and the second kind can kill 
every living thing with a mere glance. Both species are so dreadful 
that their breath wilts vegetation and shatters stones. It was even 
believed that if a man on horseback should try to kill it with
a spear, the power of the poison conducted through the weapon would 
not only kill the rider, but the horse as well. The only way to kill 
a basilisk is by holding a mirror in front of its eyes, while 
avoiding to look directly at it. The moment the creature sees its own 
reflection, it will die of fright. 

However, even the basilisk has natural enemies. The weasel is immune 
to its glance and if it gets bitten it withdraws from the fight to 
eat some rue, the only plant that does not wither, and returns with 
renewed strength. A more dangerous enemy is the cock for should the 
basilisk hear it crow, it would die instantly. 

The carcass of a basilisk was often hung in houses to keep spiders 
away. It was also used in the temples of Apollo and Diana, where no 
swallow ever dared to enter. In heraldry the basilisk is represented 
as an animal with the head, torso and legs of a cock, the tongue of a 
snake and the wings of a bat. The snake-like rump ends in an 
arrowpoint. 

Interesting words: Sirius (first paragraph), weasel (paragraph four, 
but I suspect they *mean* mongoose), spider (paragraph five).

> we have Peter Pettigrew in the form of Scabbers within the walls of 
> Hogwart's.  And in GoF we have the whole fake Moody scenario, again 
> for the entire school year! 

I often mention that if Dumbledore were a D&D wizard with even half, 
even a quarter of the power level that we have been given to 
understand that Dumbledore has, he would have Detects (Detect Evil, 
Detect Illusion, Detect Disguise, etc) running constantly. Detects 
must be a hell of a lot more expensive in JKR's universe than in D&D 
universe. However, for all the years that Scabbers was a boring but 
good pet rat to Ron Weasley, Percy before him, and maybe Bill or 
Charlie before that (chronology!), the only Detect that would have 
detected him is Detect Transformed Being.






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 09:52:23 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:52:23 -0000
Subject: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age 
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCECGCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <8o840n+kru7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 130

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote:

> Say, now that Fleur might get a job at Hogwarts, maybe she'll be
> the one to teach... (snip)  "Wizard Family Planning - Charms That 
> Never Fail" for the upperclassmen.

I imagine that the Head of each House has many responsibilities to 
that House's inmates, not just enforcing discipline, and I have 
imagined Snape uncomfortably but dutifully carrying out some of his 
responsibilities:

"May I please see you in my office, Miss Parkinson?"

He sits in the very comfortable big padded chair behind his desk 
while Pansy perches in the not only hard, but ricketty, wooden 
visitor chair. Still, the longer he talks, the more he avoids looking 
at her. 

"Miss Parkinson, while Mr. Malfoy is a very appropriate person with 
whom for you to associate, the bushes behind the Herbology 
greenhouses are not at all an appropriate place for you to be seen 
associating with him. In fact, in *my* day, no decent young witch 
would go into those bushes even if there wasn't anyone watching. I 
suggest that you pay more heed to decorum, and write out a legible 
copy of this pamphlet -- you may return the pamphlet under my office 
door on your way to breakfast. Why are you still hanging around 
here?" 

So she returns to her common room, quietly sulking or cussing over 
having been given this punishment assignment, but when she sighs 
and pulls out quill and parchment to copy the text, she sees that 
the title is "Easy Contraceptive Charms".









From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 09:55:04 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:55:04 -0000
Subject: Chat
In-Reply-To: <8o6ovp+ca6l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o845o+j4j7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 131

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Simon Branford" wrote:

>For the last few weeks (about 3 months) there has been a online chat 
>on Sunday evenings (Well in BST it is evening). Are we going to move 
>this onto to e-gorups as well or stick on Yahoo? If we do move this 
>to e-groups then does anyone know how the chat works here? Is it the 
>same as on Yahoo?

Tim, my domestic pet, I mean partner, recently started an e-group 
that has NOTHING to do with Harry Potter, and some of the members 
decided to try out the e-groups chat feature. They reported back 
that it sucks. I think we should stick with Yahoo Chat.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 10:15:44 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:15:44 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore, Head of House, Portkeys
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGECPCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <8o85cg+dghm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 132

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote:
> 
> besides, no one had noticed Ginny's troubled behavior during the 
> school year -- surely McGonagall, as her Housemaster/mistress, 
> should have been paying closer attention.

Yes. I am sure the Head of the House is supposed to notice when her 
charges are in trouble, and figure out (how?!) whether the cause is 
normal teen-age behavior that is best ignored, a real-life problem 
that needs a word of advice, an emotional problem that needs a word 
of comfort (how is Snape at giving words of comfort?!), or an onset 
of mental illness that requires professional attention. What kind of 
professional attention do wizards give to mental illnesses? Charms, 
Potions, talk therapy? Is Madam Pomfrey in charge of it?

> Harry's life was in jeopardy from the Dementors, and possibly 
> Sirius and Lupin (for all Prof D knew), in PoA

Dumbledore was trying to protect Harry (and incidentally the other 
students) from the Dementors and from Sirius Black by methods such 
as forbidding the Dementors to come into the castle (they had been 
forbidden to come to the Quidditch game and came anyway and 
Lupin reported that -"Dumbledore was angrier than I had ever 
seen him"- (the funny punctuation is a quasi-quote, which 
indicates that I will be very surprised if I got the quote 
right, but you-all know to what I am referring)) and forbidding Harry 
to go to Hogmeade. Dumbledore should know, and have set guards on, 
all the secret passages (maybe not the one Harry used: the Whomping 
Willow IS a guard), but maybe Sirius evaded the guards by being 
Padfoot. Even having gotten into the castle, he couldn't have gotten 
into Gryffindor tower (and Harry's dorm) if Crookshanks hadn't 
brought him Neville's written list of the week's passwords (see, it 
wasn't Neville being careless and losing the list like his toad!). 

Dumbledore knew that Lupin is a good guy, and I (being slow on the 
uptake) only realized last week that the reason that Lupin was on the 
Hogwarts Express, instead of arriving before the students like all 
the other teachers, is that Dumbledore had asked him to ride the 
train to guard Harry (at least I figured that out for myself before I 
read it in a fanfic!).

> I wonder if there is an explanation as to why a person can PORTKEY 
> into Hogwarts and out of Hogwarts, when Apparating is impossible.

I think people have already said that Portkeying probably requires 
having a spell placed at the destination point as well as on the 
device, while Apparating doesn't require a spell to be placed at at 
the destination point. So one needs an Anti-Apparating spell to keep 
unwanted people from Apparating in, but only to control who places 
Portkey Destination Spells on the grounds to keep unwanted people 
from Portkeying in.

I wonder how expensive a spell Portkey is? An American wizarding 
school could be a day school for kids from half the continent if they 
each were issued a Portkey that went to school in the morning, each 
morning, and home in the afternoon. 




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 10:31:11 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:31:11 -0700
Subject: Quidditch
Message-ID: <39A79C6E.3E3D9899@wicca.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 133

I've already  wondered how big a wizarding population is required to
financially support the number of professional or even semi-pro
Quidditch teams that seem to exist. But it recently occured to me to
wonder how how big a wizarding population is needed just to have enough
players for all the teams. Someone suggested that there are 20 teams in
the (England? British Isles?) league, and I feel sure that each team
must have SOME reserve players (in case a match goes on for three
months, or a player has an injury that can't be healed during time-out),
so 10 players per team would be a low-end guess = 200 professional
Quidditch players. If we then figure out how long is the average playing
career (Bagman was long retired and he didn't even have a long white
beard yet!), we can compare the number of new professional Quidditch
players needed each year to the number of Quidditch players graduating
from Hogwarts each year. I get the feeling that there are plenty of pro
players who weren't good enough to make their House team at school!
That's the opposite of how we do it in the Muggle world.
--
          /\ /\
           + +     Mews and views
         >> = <<         from Rita Prince Winston

                     ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._
                     `6_ 6  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)
                     (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 12:03:47 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:03:47 -0000
Subject: Scary Characters
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000826085218.009ef168@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8o8bn3+dvb3@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 134

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Neil Ward <neilward at d...> wrote:
> > I also got goose-pimply about Fudge and Dumbledore's behaviour in 
places and
> for, some reason, Crookshanks gives me the creeps.  

Oh, my goodness!  I thought I was the only one.  I "second" the 
Crookshanks nomination.  It's not that I'm really scared of him--it's 
just that I agree with a lot of you guys--we don't know what or *who* 
he really is.  Of course, he could just be exhibiting normal cat 
behavior.  (Wonder why American English leaves out the u in words 
like behavior?  Oh well.)  I much prefer dogs over cats.  Hold your 
tomatoes, cat lovers!

It was interesting to read of the choices.  Voldemort does not really 
scare me.  The Death Eaters do.  The Basilisk, Nagini, and the boa 
are all creatures I like, but then again, my alma mater's mascot is a 
rattlesnake.  ;)  

The creatures that scare me most are the Dementors.  Not only do we 
not know their motivation and allegiances, their abilities are 
frightening.  The most frightening thing in the world is reliving 
your worst real-life nightmare.  And I sure wouldn't want my soul 
sucked out.

Ebony AKA AngieJ (off to read Blaise's Ch. 4)




From msmacgoo at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 12:05:15 2000
From: msmacgoo at hotmail.com (msmacgoo at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:05:15 -0000
Subject: Wizard Baruffio and the Wingardium Leviosa Charm
Message-ID: <8o8bpr+hel8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 135

Hallo everyone and loverly to met you all, now, down to bussness, can 
anyone explain the joke in the wl charm - i've puzziling how Wizard 
Baruffio finishes up with a Buffalo on his chest when there is no "f" 
in Wingardiun Leviosa to misspronounce as a "s".
So how come ? [HP1 page 126 UK Ed]

This has probably been discussed a number oftimes, just that I 
haven't come across it.

would love to know.




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sat Aug 26 12:59:31 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:59:31 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
References: <8o7arq+3pi0@eGroups.com> <39A7379B.7F2B0B2A@hic.net>
Message-ID: <39A7BF33.D5DB2CE1@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 136



Penny  wrote:

>
> ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>  Also, if Hermione can have muggle money changed into
>> wizard money (book 2, I think), then can Harry do the opposite and
>> have some spending money for his time at the Dursley's?
>
> You would think so -- although he doesn't seem to (otherwise he
> wouldn't have needed care packages from his friends in GoF).

I more or less concluded that if he came home from school with any
money, the durselys would assume one of 3 things: (a) he had a magical
way to turn paper into money, (b) he stole it (as IF!), or (c) he really
did have some inheretence from his parents, as Petunia had suspected,
and now he was going to give them access to it darnit!
None of which could lead to good results
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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sat Aug 26 13:00:56 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:00:56 -0400
Subject: hallmark merchandise
References: <8o7arq+3pi0@eGroups.com> <39A7379B.7F2B0B2A@hic.net>
Message-ID: <39A7BF88.F8493A40@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 137

>
>
>> 5.) MERCHANDISE:  Is the Hallmark stuff available yet?
>
> I'm dying to know this too.  Someone on hpanonymous said they reserved
> Hallmark & Dept 56 merchandise.  She's never responded to my request
> as to *where* she reserved this merchandise.  Heidi -- you're pretty
> up on the merchandise angle.  Any thoughts?

I am trying to find out - there's nothing online AT ALL, and nobody is
auctioning anything at ebay - I need to find out for my merchandising
faq, so it looks like I'll be voyaging to Hallmark in the next week,
unless someone tells me something useful : )
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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sat Aug 26 13:05:00 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:05:00 -0400
Subject: hypothetically, tim curry as voldemort
References: <8o7fgn+phc2@eGroups.com> <01a301c00f1e$017bcce0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39A7C07C.F9166995@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 138



Denise wrote:

> members.  I seriously think Tim Curry would make either a good Quirrel
> or a great Voldie! My opinion, of course.....lol.

Great., Now I'm imagining Voldie in fishnets. Urg.
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From kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 13:41:15 2000
From: kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com (kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:41:15 -0000
Subject: Threats.....
Message-ID: <8o8hdr+e6nl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 139

Just received some curious email from the yahoo club...It's from 
voldemort_will_kill_harry_potter.  He says:"Leave this club by Fri or 
your Id will be deleted...no joke."  I was wondering if anyone else 
received this message...please advise.  I'm not sure who this person 
is, he signed it Joe.  Please guys, help me out here, kinda creepy,
you 
know?  Thanks.  





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Aug 26 13:43:56 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:43:56 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wizard Baruffio and the Wingardium Leviosa Charm
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000826134356.00702164@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 140

At 12:05 08/26/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>Hallo everyone and loverly to met you all, now, down to bussness, can 
>anyone explain the joke in the wl charm - i've puzziling how Wizard 
>Baruffio finishes up with a Buffalo on his chest when there is no "f" 
>in Wingardiun Leviosa to misspronounce as a "s".
>So how come ? [HP1 page 126 UK Ed]
>
>This has probably been discussed a number oftimes, just that I 
>haven't come across it.
>
>would love to know.

I think Flitwick was stressing that "saying magic words" correctly is
important in general.  The reference to Baruffio was an illustration of a
small mistake that had had unexpected results, but he must, logically, have
been casting something other than the Wingardium Leviosa spell.     

Neil





            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 14:08:51 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:08:51 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?
References: <1.5.4.32.20000826085213.00703e7c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <022b01c00f67$3f8060c0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 141

Neil, 
I think I haven't lost myself.  Look at my email.  Grins.  It still is the old-yahoo me, no aliases.

:)
Dee
(as well as my traditional signature?)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:52 AM
  Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?



  >[By the way, I was known as Danemead on Yahoo, and I'm still the same pesky
  >person here that I was over there!]

  I'm also reeling from this news.  I had no idea Danemead and Sister Mary
  were the same person.  In fact, Danemead, I don't know who you are at all -
  you're all aliases!  [I'm assuming klaatu is a reference to 'The Day The
  Earth Stood Still'? and not your real name].

  This is like everyone ripping off their Moody masks in unison, to reveal a
  bunch of Crouch juniors lurking underneath. It would be nice if
  dramatically-restyled people could indicate their Yahoo IDs for a while...
  just to aid the transition.  I can hope.

  Neil  






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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 14:11:21 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:11:21 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: For Rita....
References: <39A784DE.65257C88@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <023701c00f67$8377f9a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 142

Rita,
those are terrific!  Thanks for sharing them!

Grins widely!
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Catlady 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:50 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: For Rita....


  Rita Winston wrote:

  > --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
  > Here's something for you~!
  >
  >       /\   /\
  >    <  0   0  >
  >      \~<>~/
  >       ****
  >
  > It's a cat, of course.

  Meow!

  My sig file art was given to me by my domestic partner, Tim, who stole
  it from someone's sig on one of his porn newsgroups.
  --
            /\ /\
             + +     Mews and views
           >> = <<         from Rita Prince Winston

                       ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._
                       `6_ 6  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)
                       (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'
                      _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,'
                     ((('   (((-(((''  ((((
  =====================================================
  And., in this impossible place UNDER the sign, is another cat that Tim
  stole for me somewhere.

           Zz
            zZ
         |\ z    _,,,---,,_
         /,`.-'`'    _   ;-;;,_
        |,4-  ) )-,_..;\ (  `'-'
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 14:21:07 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:21:07 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
References: <8o830o+jhm2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <024d01c00f68$e08e2000$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 143



I often mention that if Dumbledore were a D&D wizard with even half, 
even a quarter of the power level that we have been given to 
understand that Dumbledore has, he would have Detects (Detect Evil, 
Detect Illusion, Detect Disguise, etc) running constantly. Detects 
must be a hell of a lot more expensive in JKR's universe than in D&D 
universe. However, for all the years that Scabbers was a boring but 
good pet rat to Ron Weasley, Percy before him, and maybe Bill or 
Charlie before that (chronology!), the only Detect that would have 
detected him is Detect Transformed Being.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We are told that Percy used to own Scabbers, right?  And Fred and George had the map for ages.  On Lupin's desk, the map revealed Peter's real name, not Scabbers.  Wouldn't F&G have noticed this before, and knew something wasn't right?  I really don't think they'd  let that mystery go without investigating?

Just a thought.
:)
Dee

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From recla at magick.net  Sat Aug 26 14:33:09 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Dennis Recla)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:33:09 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
In-Reply-To: <024d01c00f68$e08e2000$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKDBECLGANMAFOCKPAEHECHAA.dinden@budget.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 144

I suspect that they may not have used the map as much as we might suspect.
Once they located all the secret passages, it's only function was if they
were sneaking around the halls and wanted to see who might be around.  They
were probably pretty good at this even without the map.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Denise [mailto:gypsycaine at yahoo.com]
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:21 AM
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map




  I often mention that if Dumbledore were a D&D wizard with even half,
  even a quarter of the power level that we have been given to
  understand that Dumbledore has, he would have Detects (Detect Evil,
  Detect Illusion, Detect Disguise, etc) running constantly. Detects
  must be a hell of a lot more expensive in JKR's universe than in D&D
  universe. However, for all the years that Scabbers was a boring but
  good pet rat to Ron Weasley, Percy before him, and maybe Bill or
  Charlie before that (chronology!), the only Detect that would have
  detected him is Detect Transformed Being.

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  We are told that Percy used to own Scabbers, right?  And Fred and George
had the map for ages.  On Lupin's desk, the map revealed Peter's real name,
not Scabbers.  Wouldn't F&G have noticed this before, and knew something
wasn't right?  I really don't think they'd  let that mystery go without
investigating?

  Just a thought.
  :)
  Dee


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 14:32:56 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:32:56 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: hypothetically, tim curry as voldemort
References: <8o7fgn+phc2@eGroups.com> <01a301c00f1e$017bcce0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <39A7C07C.F9166995@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <028601c00f6a$87131a60$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 145

LOL HEIDI!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: heidi 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:05 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: hypothetically, tim curry as voldemort


    
  Denise wrote: 

    members.  I seriously think Tim Curry would make either a good Quirrel or a great Voldie! My opinion, of course.....lol.
  Great., Now I'm imagining Voldie in fishnets. Urg. 
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 14:35:35 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:35:35 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Threats.....
References: <8o8hdr+e6nl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02b001c00f6a$e5da1a80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 146

I got the same mail, and I couldn't help but wonder, could he be hacking the club, and that's why all the bugs?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:41 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Threats.....


  Just received some curious email from the yahoo club...It's from 
  voldemort_will_kill_harry_potter.  He says:"Leave this club by Fri or 
  your Id will be deleted...no joke."  I was wondering if anyone else 
  received this message...please advise.  I'm not sure who this person 
  is, he signed it Joe.  Please guys, help me out here, kinda creepy,
  you 
  know?  Thanks.  



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From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 14:45:27 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:45:27 -0000
Subject: The Hogwarts school motto.
Message-ID: <8o8l67+hngc@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 147

I know that the Hogwarts motto is "Never Tickle a Sleeping Dragon", 
despite that us Yanks don't have it in the books.  (unlike those 
people on a certain game show, Hmmm)  BUT I was wondering if anyone 
could give me the Latin translation, I'm sure I had it once but I 
don't know where.  

Scott




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 14:11:19 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:11:19 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Lupin on the Train (was Re: Dumbledore, Head of  House, Portkeys)
References: <8o85cg+dghm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A7D007.A2107815@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 148



Rita Winston wrote:

>
> Dumbledore knew that Lupin is a good guy, and I (being slow on the
> uptake) only realized last week that the reason that Lupin was on the
> Hogwarts Express, instead of arriving before the students like all
> the other teachers, is that Dumbledore had asked him to ride the
> train to guard Harry (at least I figured that out for myself before I
> read it in a fanfic!).

Hello, everyone, this is my inaugural message.  This is an interesting
theory, Rita, but I see a couple of problems with it.  Remember, Lupin was
asleep when Harry got on the train, and in fact, slept through much of the
journey.  He didn't choose to sit by Harry to guard him; Harry, Ron and
Hermione chose to sit by him.

I think it is more likely that the timing of the full moon that month forced
Lupin to delay his journey to Hogwarts so that he had to arrive later than
the other teachers.  Note that Harry notices that Lupin looks as though he
has been recently ill; presumably he has just gone through his monthly
transformation.  Maybe the aftermath of the transformation just makes him a
bit queasy about apparating for several days afterwards, and so Dumbledore
arranged for him to take the express.

Peg




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 14:16:20 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:16:20 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Scary Characters
References: <8o8bn3+dvb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A7D134.8846F58C@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 149

Ebony Elizabeth Thomas wrote:

>
> The creatures that scare me most are the Dementors.  Not only do we
> not know their motivation and allegiances, their abilities are
> frightening.  The most frightening thing in the world is reliving
> your worst real-life nightmare.  And I sure wouldn't want my soul
> sucked out.

The dementors scare me the most, too.  Since I'm new here, I'm not sure if
people have discussed that I believe Rowling has said in interviews that she
created them specifically thinking of her experience with depression.  As
someone who has had experiences with depression myself, I find them totally
convincing in that respect.  That really IS what depression is like.

And therefore, I find even more grimly humorous her prescription for
recovering from a dementor's attack: eat chocolate.

> Ebony AKA AngieJ (off to read Blaise's Ch. 4)

Can you direct a newcomer to this?  Thanks.

Peg




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 14:18:50 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:18:50 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Snape as Sex eduation teacher (was Veela (was  Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
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No: HPFGUIDX 150



Rita Winston wrote:

>
> I imagine that the Head of each House has many responsibilities to
> that House's inmates, not just enforcing discipline, and I have
> imagined Snape uncomfortably but dutifully carrying out some of his
> responsibilities:
>
> "May I please see you in my office, Miss Parkinson?"

LOL!  Oh my, I can't imagine a more terrible teacher of sex education to
inflict on young teenagers bursting with hormones.

Peg




From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 14:56:43 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:56:43 -0000
Subject: The Hogwarts school motto.
In-Reply-To: <8o8l67+hngc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o8lrb+d15b@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 151

Here's the tranlation of 'Never Tickle A Sleeping Dragon' into Latin.

Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus. 

~Blaise.  




From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 14:57:45 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Randy Estes)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:57:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
Message-ID: <20000826145745.26763.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 152

Thanks for clearing that up!  I had the tune in my
head for that line but I could not quite place the
song!  As indicated in the past I am a Beatles fan and
that is one of my alltime favorite albums.  I often
here the guitar riffs from "The End" whenever I read
the last three chapters of a Harry Potter book.  The
action scenes.  It seems like my brain links that song
to fast paced chaos like when fighting Basilisks and
such!


--- Laura Briscoe <laura_reb at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Beatles song, "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" (really
> quite a gory, 
> morbid song...) lyrics are: Joan was quizical,
> studied patophysical 
> science in the home... Late nights all alone with a
> test tube, Oh, oh 
> oh oh. hehe It's on Abbey Road, I do believe. 
> 
> 
> 
> - In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise"
> <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> > Hey, I am extra blonde tonight....  (esp from
> these kids.  I
> plopped 
> in a movie, and made them lie down.  It's 11.48,
> someone SHOULD be 
> asleep!)
> > 
> > Pllllllllllllllease explain?   I am asking nicely,
> even if you
> can't 
> hear the tone of my voice (like a 3-year old who
> wants the cookies on 
> the top of the fridge).
> > 
> > Dee    
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Laura Briscoe 
> >   To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
> >   Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:47 PM
> >   Subject: Re:[HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
> > 
> > 
> >   --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "voicelady"
> <voicelady at m...> 
> wrote:
> >
> 
> 
>    > <On Yahoo you all knew me as quizical_joan>
> >   > Late nights all alone with her test tubes, oh,
> oh oh ohhhh
> >   > 
> >   > I've been meaning to say that for ages now!
> > 
> >   SOMEONE ACUALLY GETS IT!!!!!! YAAAAY!!!!! 
> >   (I must say you are acually the first - kudos to
> you!)
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
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> > 
> > 
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From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 15:05:53 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Randy Estes)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
Message-ID: <20000826150553.13678.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 153

Everyone knows that McCartney died in the 1960s and
was replaced by some strange lifeform that writes
great tunes with lousy lyrics.  That's why I like to
take songs like his and rewrite the lyrics to amuse
myself.  No seriously, the whole was obviously greater
than the sum of the parts as far as the Beatles were
concerned.

I think that's what makes HP so interesting.  There
are so many characters that the whole combination of
books is much more interesting than one single story. 
It's different strokes for different folks, too. 
Because the women seem to get into the relationships
and guys can get into the action scenes and others get
into the humor and kids actually get into reading. 
The whole package is better than any one element.

--- Brooks R <brooksar at indy.net> wrote:
> > 3.) AGES:  When I mentioned that my sister dated a
> 26-year-old when 
> > she was 18, Melanie mentioned that this was
> probably not as bad as 
> > the Hermione/Viktor age issue.  Well, while my
> parents didn't seem 
> > affected by it, it put a real damper on the
> relationship.  In the
> end 
> > they had nothing to talk about...they literally
> came from two 
> > different  generations.  
> 
> Yup.  I want someone close to my age, old enough at
> least that she 
> knows the Beatles as something more than the band
> McCartney was in 
> before Wings.  (Anyody who says "McCartney was in a
> band?" gets extra 
> demerits).
> 
> -Brooks
> Die kaiserliche-und-konigliche Kriegsmarine Fan Club
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 15:14:22 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:14:22 -0000
Subject: Lupin on the Train 
In-Reply-To: <39A7D007.A2107815@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8o8mse+llqm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 154

Peg wrote:  

<<Hello, everyone, this is my inaugural message.  This is an 
interesting theory, Rita [that Remus was on the train to guard 
Harry], but I see a couple of problems with it.  Remember, Lupin was 
asleep when Harry got on the train, and in fact, slept through much 
of the journey.  He didn't choose to sit by Harry to guard him; 
Harry, Ron and Hermione chose to sit by him.>>

Remus wasn't necessarily on the train to guard only Harry, but to 
protect all the students from the Dementors, should any problems 
arise.  Therefore it would make no difference where he sat, and he 
can sleep until the end of the journey when the Dementors will 
arrive.  Obviously, fate and JKR combined to make Harry et al. sit 
with him, and as it turned out they were the ones who had difficulty 
with the Dementors.    

<<I think it is more likely that the timing of the full moon that 
month forced Lupin to delay his journey to Hogwarts so that he had to 
arrive later than the other teachers.  Note that Harry notices that 
Lupin looks as though he has been recently ill; presumably he has 
just gone through his monthly transformation.  Maybe the aftermath of 
the transformation just makes him a bit queasy about apparating for 
several days afterwards, and so Dumbledore arranged for him to take 
the express.>>

Okay, I have to play Hermione here and say, 'You can't Apparate to 
Hogwarts.'  Nonetheless, I think you're quite right that Remus' 
transformation had something to do with it.  I suppose that's why it 
was Remus who was on the train rather than any of the other 
teachers.        

And you can find 'A Second Chance' on www.fanfiction.net if you do a 
search for either the title or for Blaise - that's me.  I hope you 
enjoy it!    

~Blaise.  




From dorband at uwp.edu  Sat Aug 26 15:15:10 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:15:10 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
In-Reply-To: <024d01c00f68$e08e2000$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8o8mtu+meef@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 155

 
> We are told that Percy used to own Scabbers, right?  And Fred and 
George had the map for ages.  On Lupin's desk, the map revealed 
Peter's real name, not Scabbers.  Wouldn't F&G have noticed this 
before, and knew something wasn't right?  I really don't think they'd 
 let that mystery go without investigating?
> 
> Just a thought.
> :)
> Dee



This reminds me that I have always been somewhat confused about the 
way that Gred and Forge passed the map to Harry, saying that they
"had 
memorized it already" and that it wouldn't be much good to them 
anymore (paraphrasing).  Knowing the nature of the map, there really 
is nothing to memorize, exactly, and its function is to show the
"here 
and now" so it would never become obsolete...

...I want to think that Gred and Forge no longer need this particular 
Marauders' Map because they have developed a New and improved 
Marauders' Map, which leaves this one as, more or less, a prototype,  
In that way, they would no longer need it.  


Hail Hufflepuff!!
the Badgers' Kin




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Sat Aug 26 15:22:47 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:22:47 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yay!!!
Message-ID: <id.26082000112247.00000@FPE>

No: HPFGUIDX 156

Thank you.  Thank you very much.  I'll be here all week.
--------------------------------------------------------------
SOMEONE ACUALLY GETS IT!!!!!! YAAAAY!!!!! 
(I must say you are acually the first - kudos to you!)



From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Sat Aug 26 15:22:52 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:22:52 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
Message-ID: <id.26082000112252.00000@FPE>

No: HPFGUIDX 157

Not at all.  I know very many adult actors who are still in their "amateur" status merely because of lack of opporunity, and I think they are much better performers than the stars we see in movies and television today.  Also, kids are natural actors.  They haven't yet reached that stage where they are self-conscious about playing make-believe.  I think Rupert and Emma will be just fine.
--------------------------------------------------------------
2.) MOVIE:  Is anyone else worried about Emma (Hermione) and Rupert  (Ron)'s lack of acting experience?  They have both acted in school  plays, but that's it...




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Sat Aug 26 15:51:54 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:51:54 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Scary Characters
Message-ID: <id.26082000115154.00000@FPE>

No: HPFGUIDX 158

Using the same thought process, that's why Trelawney always set me on edge.
--------------------------------------------------------------
What characters do I find scary?

Actually, in Book 4, I found Fudge to be chillingly scary at the end. People like him do more damage than the blatant bad guys sometimes.  



From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 16:10:32 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Randy Estes)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:10:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pieces of the Puzzle
Message-ID: <20000826161032.22515.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 159

I am posting some pieces of the puzzle that JKR is
building because I have just reread Book One and
noticed a few things.

1.  Hermione says: "I needn't have learned about the
1637 Werewolf Code of Conduct or the uprising of
Elfric the Eager."  --  

Very important, I think.  Based on Book 4, elves are
important and an uprising is brewing because of Dobby.
 Dumbledore likes socks (see reference to mirror of
Erised) and I think he will try to use the elf
uprising to destroy the Voldemort and Death Eater rise
to power.  Werewolves are mentioned so many times in
Book One it makes your head spin.  They will be
important again.

2.  Neville the Toadless Boy.  -- not only will
Neville become more important, I think the toad is
sometihing important too.  She keeps bringing it up
like she did with Scabbers.  Perhaps Dumbledore
transforms into a toad to keep an eye on our heroes
and then escapes back to his office when needed.

3.  Mrs. Figg has obviously been outed as a Wizard
guardian for Harry in Muggle world.  Note that she has
lots of cats!  Note that Crookshanks is always around
the Griffindors house.  Perhaps he is a protective
force for our heroes ( a secret guardian planted by
Dumbledore)  After all, Crookshanks spotted Scabbers
as a Baddie.

4.  The plethora of Snake and Dragon references in the
books implies that they will continue to play
important roles.  Hogwarts motto "Never tickle a
Sleeping Dragon" is ,I believe, a symbol of
Dumbledore.  The friendly (sleeping dragon) will be
awakened by the evil bad guys!

more later                                 \?/
Ravenclaw Randy :0)  aka The Mockingbird  (. .)
                                            v



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>  Beam me up Hagrid!  Where am I?  Are there any
> intelligent life 
> forms on this message board?
> 
> Hi everyone.  Just trying out this new system.
> 
> I think my first message was erased.  My wand got
> bent and sparks 
> keep shooting out.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Aug 26 16:48:03 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:48:03 -0700
Subject: Who Are We, Really?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000826085213.00703e7c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOMEDNCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 160

That's one thing I love about the Internet -- when I get tired of being one
person, I can change my name and be somebody else, with the minimum of legal
expenses!  My real name is associated with a person that I hardly recognize
when I'm at home.  SHE is the mask I wear when I leave the house.  Behind
it, I really am Sister Mary Lunatic of the Convent of Our Lady of Perpetual
Motion.  (The Convent is actually a cover organization for persons visiting
Planet Earth from other portions of the Galaxy.)

And yes, Klaatu is from "Day The Earth Stood Still" which I've only seen 25
or 30 times.  Gort, Klaatu barada nikto!

SML (also known as Danemead)


MORSEL:   Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are
convinced beyond doubt that they are right. --Laurens van der Post


-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Ward [mailto:neilward at dircon.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 1:52 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?

>[By the way, I was known as Danemead on Yahoo, and I'm still the same pesky
>person here that I was over there!]

I'm also reeling from this news.  I had no idea Danemead and Sister Mary
were the same person.  In fact, Danemead, I don't know who you are at all -
you're all aliases!  [I'm assuming klaatu is a reference to 'The Day The
Earth Stood Still'? and not your real name].

This is like everyone ripping off their Moody masks in unison, to reveal a
bunch of Crouch juniors lurking underneath. It would be nice if
dramatically-restyled people could indicate their Yahoo IDs for a while...
just to aid the transition.  I can hope.

Neil







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From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Aug 26 16:48:06 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:48:06 -0700
Subject: Invisibility
In-Reply-To: <8o830o+jhm2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEDNCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 161

>>>>> He himself tells Harry that he (Dumbledore) doesn't need a cloak
> to be(come) invisible...

>>>>>Catlady wrote:
Whenever I read that scene, I wonder whether he meant that he used an
invisibility spell, or whether he meant that he simply used the technique of
being very still and quiet so as not to be noticed<<<<<<


Interesting - I remember reading, a long time ago, some Carlos Castaneda
book where he talked about the way his old teacher Don Juan could become
invisible in public.  And oddly enough, I was just reading last week, a book
by Stuart Wilde (love him!) called "The Quickening" where he discusses
exercises you can do to make yourself "invisible" -- not technically
invisible, of course, but you would be able to walk unnoticed in public.
Intriguing stuff, and psychologically valid.




MORSEL:   Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are
convinced beyond doubt that they are right. --Laurens van der Post




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Aug 26 18:12:36 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:12:36 -0700
Subject: Sleeping Dragons (was Pieces of the Puzzle)
In-Reply-To: <20000826161032.22515.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEDPCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 162

>>>>Hogwarts motto "Never tickle a Sleeping Dragon" is,
I believe, a symbol of Dumbledore.  The friendly
(sleeping dragon) will be awakened by the evil bad guys!<<<<<


Who was the Japanese general who famously remarked, after the 1941 bombing
of Pearl Harbor, "I fear we have awakened a sleeping tiger."  He saw that it
was a mistake for Japan to provoke the United States into war, even though
at that time the USA was a lightweight as "world powers" go.




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Aug 26 18:12:40 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:12:40 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Threats.....
In-Reply-To: <8o8hdr+e6nl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIEDPCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 163

I saw that on Yahoo this morning.  Some creep who thinks they are being
funny, no doubt.  Perhaps our ListMom will banish him or her from our club
for misbehavior...



MORSEL:   Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are
convinced beyond doubt that they are right. --Laurens van der Post


-----Original Message-----
From: kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com [mailto:kalinb_75224 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:41 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Threats.....


Just received some curious email from the yahoo club...It's from
voldemort_will_kill_harry_potter.  He says:"Leave this club by Fri or
your Id will be deleted...no joke."  I was wondering if anyone else
received this message...please advise.  I'm not sure who this person
is, he signed it Joe.  Please guys, help me out here, kinda creepy,
you
know?  Thanks.




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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Aug 26 18:42:57 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:42:57 +0100
Subject: Is Dumbledore right in the head?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000826184257.006dab0c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 164

One thing that worries me about Albus Dumbledore is his occasional eccentric
behaviour, usually revealing itself in his childish sense of humour

e.g.:

"...I would like to say a few words.  And here they are: Nitwit! Blubber!
Oddment! Tweak!"

and continuing through anecdotes about socks and chamber pots, and so on.

I get the impression that Dumbledore is going to become increasingly
unpredictable as he heads for senility.  It may have something to do with
the fact that he keeps some of his thoughts in a pensieve -  what effect
must that have on his declining brain?  There's also his advanced age -
there are several references to him looking old and weary at the end of GoF.

I don't think Dumbledore will die until the last gasp of Book 7, but I do
think he could become dangerous. As a powerful wizard with an unhinged
brain, who knows what he might do?  

Just a few random thoughts, before I go out to get pissed.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 18:47:46 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:47:46 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Lupin on the Train
References: <8o8mse+llqm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A810D2.14021FF3@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 165



Blaise wrote:

>
> Remus wasn't necessarily on the train to guard only Harry, but to
> protect all the students from the Dementors, should any problems
> arise.  Therefore it would make no difference where he sat, and he
> can sleep until the end of the journey when the Dementors will
> arrive.  Obviously, fate and JKR combined to make Harry et al. sit
> with him, and as it turned out they were the ones who had difficulty
> with the Dementors.

Good point.  Still, I think that if he had been specifically requested
to
"guard the students" he wouldn't have been sleeping.

> Okay, I have to play Hermione here and say, 'You can't Apparate to
> Hogwarts.'

Ack.  I blush as I say, "I knew that!"  (And to think I always laughed
at
Harry and Ron for continually forgetting!)  Well, I suppose he might
have apparated into Hogsmeade and walked to the school from there--but
then what about his trunk?  How DO the teachers get to Hogswart, or do
they live there year round?  If they don't, what do they do during the
summers?

>
> And you can find 'A Second Chance' on www.fanfiction.net if you do a
> search for either the title or for Blaise - that's me.  I hope you
> enjoy it!
>
> ~Blaise.

Thanks.  I'll check it out.

Peg



From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 18:58:32 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:58:32 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: The Hogwarts school motto.
References: <8o8lrb+d15b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A81358.67F2F3F4@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 166

Blaise wrote:

> Here's the translation of 'Never Tickle A Sleeping Dragon' into Latin.
>
> Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.
>
> ~Blaise.

Here's something fun I ran across this week. I do NOT believe in astrology,
but there is one
astrology column I always try to catch, and that's Rob Breszny's Free Will
Astrology column
at

www.freewillastrology.com

It is the wildest, most wacky astrology column that you will ever read. And
oddly enough, for
an astrology column, it is not at all deterministic, i.e., I don't think R.
Breszny would agree
with Prof. Trelawny, that our fate is predetermined for us. I think he would
agree with
Dumbledore that our fate, in the end, rests with our choices.  ("The fault,
dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves . . .")

Anyway, this is my astrology column (Taurus) for this week:

"In most circumstances I wholeheartedly endorse the motto of Harry Potter's
school,
Hogwarts: Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus, or "Never Tickle a Sleeping
Dragon."
Given the odd strains of luck that are currently weaving their way into your
fate, however,
combined with a fresh surge in your power to command animal energy in all
its forms, I'm
moved to make an exception. You're not just a great dragon-tamer these days;
you could
actually coax dragons into going to work for you. So let the tickling begin,
Taurus! One
caveat: If I were you I wouldn't try to get them to do trivial tasks like
toasting marshmallows."

Peg




From joym999 at aol.com  Sat Aug 26 18:55:29 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:55:29 -0000
Subject: Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <39A79C6E.3E3D9899@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <8o93r1+puu7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 167

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Catlady <catlady at w...> wrote:
> I've already  wondered how big a wizarding population is required to
> financially support the number of professional or even semi-pro
> Quidditch teams that seem to exist. But it recently occured to me to
> wonder how how big a wizarding population is needed just to have 
enough
> players for all the teams

Not to mention other countries....I have been wondering how a country 
the size of Luxemburg can have a Quidditch team good enough to beat 
Englands national team in the Quidditch World Cup playoffs.  I 
suspect JKR is seriously stretching logic here.




From christine at oswell.com  Sat Aug 26 18:59:07 2000
From: christine at oswell.com (christine)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:59:07 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Is Dumbledore right in the head?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000826184257.006dab0c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000826115038.00cd8620@mail.oswell.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 168

I always figured his behaviour was a bit of a put-on, to make him seem 
harmless, or to make him appear more "human".  I am bothered that if he is 
supposed to be Harry's mentor, how come he isn't in the books more?  There 
are many times that Harry could have gone to Dumbledore to solve various 
mysteries, but he never thinks too, and Dumbledore never volunteers 
info.  Does that make sense?

At 11:42 AM 8/26/00, you wrote:
>One thing that worries me about Albus Dumbledore is his occasional eccentric
>behaviour, usually revealing itself in his childish sense of humour
>
>e.g.:
>
>"...I would like to say a few words.  And here they are: Nitwit! Blubber!
>Oddment! Tweak!"
>
>and continuing through anecdotes about socks and chamber pots, and so on.
>
>I get the impression that Dumbledore is going to become increasingly
>unpredictable as he heads for senility.  It may have something to do with
>the fact that he keeps some of his thoughts in a pensieve -  what effect
>must that have on his declining brain?  There's also his advanced age -
>there are several references to him looking old and weary at the end of GoF.
>
>I don't think Dumbledore will die until the last gasp of Book 7, but I do
>think he could become dangerous. As a powerful wizard with an unhinged
>brain, who knows what he might do?
>
>Just a few random thoughts, before I go out to get pissed.
>
>Neil
>             Flying-Ford-Anglia




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 19:08:09 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:08:09 -0000
Subject: still me (was: other fan-fic?
In-Reply-To: <022b01c00f67$3f8060c0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8o94ip+132m@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 169

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:

> I think I haven't lost myself.  Look at my email.  Grins.  It still 
> is the old-yahoo me, no aliases.
> :)
> Dee

1) Can the moderators set some setting so that when this e-group 
receives postings with HTML, it strips off the HTML before re-mailing 
it to the rest of us?

2) We, having all migrated here like a species of birds to its 
wintering ground, and now introducing ourselves as "I used to be", 
makes me wonder if the little birdies, upon arrival, rush around 
having the following conversation:

Q: Cheep, cheep (translation: recognize me by my voice)
A: Cheep, cheep (translation: Wow! I never recognized you in 
your winter feathers! How great to get together again!)




From jickndim at garden.net  Sat Aug 26 19:11:42 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:11:42 -0000
Subject: Random Ramblings
Message-ID: <8o94pe+ckue@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 170

I hate to admit it but this alte k----r has some of the original 
beatle vinyls bought at release time like "Abbey Road" and Sgt
Pepper" 
among some.  The 60's were great.  Jim Hohman's alter ego            
 




From christine at oswell.com  Sat Aug 26 19:17:44 2000
From: christine at oswell.com (christine)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:17:44 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: still me (was: other fan-fic?
In-Reply-To: <8o94ip+132m@eGroups.com>
References: <022b01c00f67$3f8060c0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000826121543.00b43630@mail.oswell.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 171

At 12:08 PM 8/26/00, you wrote:
>1) Can the moderators set some setting so that when this e-group
>receives postings with HTML, it strips off the HTML before re-mailing
>it to the rest of us?

Unfortunately you have to edit your replies to take out all the unnecessary 
garbage :o(.  It can be a bit of work, but I think it is necessary for 
those doing digest, so they don't get a big mash of incoherent postings and 
replies.....

Christine




From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Aug 26 19:19:25 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:19:25 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Threats.....
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIEDPCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <39A8183D.E060443C@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 172

Hi:

Sister Mary Lunatic wrote:

> I saw that on Yahoo this morning.  Some creep who thinks they are
> being
> funny, no doubt.  Perhaps our ListMom will banish him or her from our
> club for misbehavior...

Actually, I did remove him from the Club this morning.  His message
definitely falls under "threatening" and/or "abusive."  In my mind, he
wasn't trying to have a dialogue with us (as was "ostensibly" the case
with Mr. Beckhorn -- do we all remember him?).  I would probably have
given alot more thought if we hadn't been migrating away from that
Club.  But since we are in transition, I didn't give it too much
thought.  Hope noone minds too much.

Penny
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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 19:15:49 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:15:49 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
In-Reply-To: <024d01c00f68$e08e2000$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8o9515+e9ai@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 173

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:

> We are told that Percy used to own Scabbers, right?  And Fred and 
> George had the map for ages.  (snip)  Wouldn't F&G have noticed 
> [that the rat was labelled Peter Pettigrew] before

I often wonder about that. One pathetic guess that I've come up with 
is that they had only used the 'people' feature of the map to check 
whether anyone was in their path as they were sneaking around, and 
not bothered to looks at any places where they weren't going --- and 
as long as Scabbers was with Percy, he was found only in legitimate 
places like Percy's dorm, Gryffindor common room, Prefect's common 
room, Percy's classrooms, so he wasn't in the places that they were 
checking out. It's not very plausible to suggest that the twins had 
such a lack of curiosity.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 19:39:20 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:39:20 -0000
Subject: Lupin on the Train (was Re: Dumbledore, Head of  House, Portkeys)
In-Reply-To: <39A7D007.A2107815@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8o96d8+a97g@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 174

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
 
> Hello, everyone, this is my inaugural message.

Hey, Peg Kerr: author of Please Don't Eat the Daisies?

> This is an interesting theory, Rita, but I see a couple of problems
> with it.  Remember, Lupin was asleep when Harry got on the train, 
> and in fact, slept through much of the journey.  

In my theory, he was PRETENDING to be asleep. I've lived with cats 
all my life (dear old Foggy slept in my crib while I was getting 
ready to be born -- named for the Foghorn voice he had in his 
youth, not because he came in on little cat feet) and cats spend most 
of their time lying around with their eyes open a mere slit or fully 
closed (they have those big mobile ears like satellite dishes and a 
quarter of their brain is auditory lobe: they don't need eyes) but 
fully alert. It is a Big Compliment (a sign that the cat trusts you 
completely) for a cat to go fully to sleep in your presence. Then if
a loud noise or me touching them wakes them, they wake as startled 
and discombobulated as I do, and get very embarrassed about it. 

> He didn't choose to sit by Harry to guard him; Harry, Ron and
> Hermione chose to sit by him.

If he had been given adequate information, he probably knew or 
guessed that 1) the Triumverate would seek an unoccupied carriage, 
and 2) the Weasley party would arrive at the last second of the last 
possible minute, by which time most carriages would be occupied, so
he could have put a spell of repulsion on the carriage he was in 
(such as putting luggage in the racks and pillows and hats on the 
seats), which he removed as Harry was approaching. That would have 
been a more subtle way to be in the same carriage as Harry than 
walking in after the Triumverate had settled down. 

(Would Hermione allow the making of a pun: the "Triumpherate" as 
their clique's name?) 

> I think it is more likely that the timing of the full moon that 
> month forced Lupin to delay his journey to Hogwarts so that he had
> to arrive later than the other teachers.

He could have arrived enough earlier to spend that Full Moon at 
Hogwarts. With Wolfbane Potion if Snape had already arrived, or in 
the Shrieking Shack if not.

The fanfic which showed Dumbledore asking Lupin to ride the Hogwarts 
Express to protect all the students from Crouch's Dementors had the 
Full Moon occuring the very night before the Arrival Feast, so he 
wouldn't have had to arriive *much* earlier than the students did in 
order to spend Full Moon at Hogwarts rather than on the road.

> Note that Harry notices that Lupin looks as though he has been 
> recently ill; presumably he has just gone through his monthly
> transformation.

Guarding Harry or all students is one reason to travel while very 
much under the weather; spending one last night as a wild wolf in a 
forest far from humans could be another (that was in the fic, too), 
but if I had a week or more of choices when to travel, I would pick a 
time when I was less rather than more like to be under the weather. 
(A man with a monthly cycle: is that why us women like Lupin?)





From brooksar at indy.net  Sat Aug 26 19:44:22 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks A. Rowlett)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:44:22 -0500
Subject: Mail things
References: <967294940.26567@egroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A81E1A.2CBBD901@indy.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 175

>> (In fact I
>> think it would be best if this group was set that way for all
>> messages.... I think a large group not devoted to file exchange, is
>> better served going that route - for one thing it prevents accidental
>> attachments of overlarge files; for another it prevents virus
>> transmission.  So I recommend the listowners do that).

>Please don't!  Getting emails piping hot, right off their creators'
>keyboards, is one of the things I like best about having HP4GU on Egroups.
>People who want digests can order them.

No, you misread - you skipped a topic transition.  I recommended the
list be set to NO ATTACHMENTS, not to put everybody on Digest only. 
Digests is a matter of individual preference.  No attachments is a
safety measure against viruses

-Brooks



From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 19:45:24 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:45:24 -0000
Subject: Threats.....
In-Reply-To: <39A8183D.E060443C@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8o96ok+kvop@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 176

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Penny Linsenmayer wrote:

> Actually, I did remove him from the Club this morning.  His message
> definitely falls under "threatening" and/or "abusive." (snip)
> But since we are in transition, I didn't give it too much thought.
>  Hope noone minds too much.

I'm sure you did absolutely the right thing: that messager didn't 
deserve to get too much thought before being removed. However, I 
seem to recall that long months ago, someone posted that they had 
been looking at a list of all Yahoo's HP clubs and seen that many 
of them had fallen to zero members after a last post by 
Harry_Potter_Must_Die, and wondered if that people was going 
around destroying HP clubs.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 19:53:21 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:53:21 -0000
Subject: Twins and the Map (was: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
In-Reply-To: <8o8mtu+meef@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o977h+9jl8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 177

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "badgers' kin" <dorband at u...> wrote:

Are you the badgerskin whom I was wondering whether was badger's kin 
or badger skin?

> This reminds me that I have always been somewhat confused about the 
> way that Gred and Forge passed the map to Harry, saying that they
> "had memorized it already" and that it wouldn't be much good to 
> them anymore (paraphrasing).  Knowing the nature of the map, there
> really is nothing to memorize, exactly, and its function is to show
> the "here and now" so it would never become obsolete...

They had already memorized all the secret passages with their 
passwords, and the Map didn't tell passwords unknown to its makers 
such as the constantly changing passwords for Gryffindor tower 
(h'mmm. Could it have told Harry the constantly changing password to 
Dumbledore's apartment, based on Lupin knowing it as a faculty 
member?), and they were generously willing to forego the "where 
everyone is right now" feature for Harry's sake, or because they 
weren't interested in it except for checking that their path is 
clear, which they could do with Muggle spy techniques or their own 
Detection spells. 





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 20:01:38 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:01:38 -0000
Subject: Is Dumbledore right in the head?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000826184257.006dab0c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8o97n2+b218@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 178

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Neil Ward <neilward at d...> wrote:

> I get the impression that Dumbledore is going to become 
> increasingly unpredictable as he heads for senility.

*DO* Great Wizards get senile? The magic inside them, that I imagine 
gives them an iron constitution while costing them sex and family 
ties, that destroys them swiftly and surely if they don't mature in 
personality, with self-control and absence of denial, a lot faster 
than most people, might do something about that. Keep the mind 
functioning as long as the body does? Make the body die (of old age 
or of magical accident?) as soon as the mind is more than a touch 
gone? Make the magic power go as the mind goes? The senile old wizard 
napping by the fire can no longer even warm up his tea by tapping it 
with his wand -- but doesn't mind, because he can no longer remember 
that he used to be able to. 




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Aug 26 20:21:02 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:21:02 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Is Dumbledore right in the head?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000826184257.006dab0c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOMEEDCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 179

Actually, Dumbledore reminds me of a jolly Zen Master.  They often say
things that seem to be silly or completely eccentric.  It's only because
they've discovered The Great Joke of the Universe.  Once you reach that
stage, you tend not to take the world around you too seriously, because you
see things from a Cosmic viewpoint.  Even if Evil triumphs, you tend to
shrug your shoulders and say, "Ah, well, such is the nature of this plane of
existence."  You also tend to have enormous reserves of power and wisdom
that are not apparent to the average person.  Being thought of as a senile,
trusting old idiot is a wonderful disguise.



-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Ward [mailto:neilward at dircon.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:43 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Is Dumbledore right in the head?


One thing that worries me about Albus Dumbledore is his occasional eccentric
behaviour, usually revealing itself in his childish sense of humour

e.g.:

"...I would like to say a few words.  And here they are: Nitwit! Blubber!
Oddment! Tweak!"

and continuing through anecdotes about socks and chamber pots, and so on.

I get the impression that Dumbledore is going to become increasingly
unpredictable as he heads for senility.  It may have something to do with
the fact that he keeps some of his thoughts in a pensieve -  what effect
must that have on his declining brain?  There's also his advanced age -
there are several references to him looking old and weary at the end of GoF.

I don't think Dumbledore will die until the last gasp of Book 7, but I do
think he could become dangerous. As a powerful wizard with an unhinged
brain, who knows what he might do?

Just a few random thoughts, before I go out to get pissed.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming,
   the car rumbled off into the darkness,
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************





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From brooksar at indy.net  Sat Aug 26 20:24:55 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks A. Rowlett)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:24:55 -0500
Subject: Never Tickle a Sleeping Dragon
References: <967313459.32474@egroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A8279B.F893E8DA@indy.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 180

Just to clarify for the US readers, the motto is in fact in Latin in the
illustrations in Book I (at least) in the UK edition. (The school crest
is the frontsipiece).  "Never tickle..." is the English translation.

-Brooks



From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 20:29:28 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:29:28 -0000
Subject: Pieces of the Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20000826161032.22515.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8o99b8+sodd@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 181

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Randy Estes <estesrandy at y...> wrote:

> 1.  Hermione says: "I needn't have learned about the
> 1637 Werewolf Code of Conduct 
> Werewolves are mentioned so many times in Book One it makes your
> head spin.  They will be important again.

Werewolves are mentioned in every book: in Book 1, Ron is scared 
because he has heard that there are werewolves in the Forbidden 
Forest (which might have been named Hogwood before the school was 
built, and in those days the lake was named Hogmere?), in Book 2, TRJ 
accuses Hagrid of raising a litter of werewolf cubs under his 
bed, in Book 3, there is Lupin...  Blaise and I had some conversation 
about whether there are multiple kinds of creatures called 
"werewolf", one kind being the human who transforms just one night a 
month, and another kind being a wolf full-time. I suggested that the 
latter's bite at any time of month might turn a human into the first 
type, and Blaise suggested that type 2 might result from a wolf being 
bitten by a werewolf (type 2 any time or type 1 transformed).

> or the uprising of Elfric the Eager."  --  
> Very important, I think.  Based on Book 4, elves are
> important and an uprising is brewing because of Dobby.

Elfric the Eager probably wasn't an elf: Elfric is a human name, like 
Elvira.

> 2.  Neville the Toadless Boy. 

What I wondered while re-reading SS: the Sorting Hat took a very long 
time, almost a minute, to Sort Seamus into Gryffindor. JKR must know 
something about Seamus that we have not yet seen a clue of.

> Note that Crookshanks is always around the Griffindors house.  
> Perhaps he is a protective force for our heroes ( a secret guardian
> planted by Dumbledore) 

Or maybe not planted by Dumbledore. Maybe planted by the late Godric 
Gryffindor: wouldn't someone whose symbol is a Lion like Orange Cats? 

> more later                                 \?/
> Ravenclaw Randy :0)  aka The Mockingbird  (. .)
>                                             v

I like your birdie!
In suburban Southern California, such as the Newport Beach of my age 
1 to 6 years, mockingbirds are feisty creatures, especially in 
their nesting season, when their Seeker-style attacks on cats, dogs, 
automobiles, and babies in strollers caused public alarm, veterinary 
bills, and a lot of repainting of cars' hard tops. In Palms,the 
then-suburb in which my ex #1 grew up, his mother's Siamese cats were 
even feistier. They never had any trouble climbing trees or fighting 
even tho' she had them declawed (btw which is a sin) and they climbed 
the trees to the mockingbird nests and threw all the eggs and 
nestlings out down to the ground, thus locally exterminataing the 
pest.




From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Aug 26 21:30:01 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:30:01 -0500
Subject: Chat Tomorrow
Message-ID: <39A836D9.23D0676B@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 182

Hi --

We've heard that the egroups chat function may not be as good as Yahoo.
My suggestion is that a group of 5-10 of us try out the egroups chat for
half an hour or so and then report in to the main group at Yahoo.  I can
be part of the guinea pig group, but I can't start chatting until 2:30
or 3:00 my time (CST).

We can definitely continue to use the Yahoo chat function -- well,
unless Voldemort_will_kill_Harry_Potter wipes out our Club.  I don't see
how he could do *that* (isn't that something only a founder can do?).
Maybe hacking???  Anyway, he/she's been removed, although he/she may
find another Yahoo ID & reappear.

I took Brooks' advice & disabled the attachments to emails.  Digest
should, I think, remain individual preference.  Personally, I prefer
individual emails.  Digests are too hard to read, and you miss the
chance to immediately respond.  So, that remains the option of each
member.

Penny




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 21:48:52 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:48:52 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Lupin on the Train (was Re: Dumbledore, Head of   House, Portkeys)
References: <8o96d8+a97g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A83B44.99AB98A1@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 183



Rita Winston wrote:

> Hey, Peg Kerr: author of Please Don't Eat the Daisies?
>

:-) no, that's Jean Kerr, I think, but I have had a couple of books
published.  (See my webpage for further info if you're interested.)

>
> (A man with a monthly cycle: is that why us women like Lupin?)
>

LOL!  That must be it.  Plus the fact that he carries chocolate around and
offers it to anyone who needs it, which makes him absolutely irresistable in
my eyes.

Peg

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m391/d-lena/PegKerrBibliog.html




From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 21:54:20 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Randy Estes)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Petrified Peeves
Message-ID: <20000826215420.15526.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 184

This has been bothering me.  Why would Peeves (in book
one) be afraid of the Bloody Baron (actually Harry
disguising his voice under the Inv. cloak) ?  

He is already a non-living creature in some kind of
torment due to his ghostly nature.  What could the
Bloody Baron do to him that causes him to be afraid?

Perhaps they were related before they both died?  You
know how you tend to stay in awe of some of your older
relatives even as they grow older and you become a
grown up.  Maybe the Baron is his uncle or something
and always made Peeves nervous when he was around. 
What do you guys think?
                                          \?/
Ravenclaw Randy :0) aka The Mockingbird  (. .)
                                           v

--- Arthur Weasley <estesrandy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Beam me up Hagrid!  Where am I?  Are there any
> intelligent life 
> forms on this message board?
> 
> Hi everyone.  Just trying out this new system.
> 
> I think my first message was erased.  My wand got
> bent and sparks 
> keep shooting out.
> 
> 
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 21:57:30 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:57:30 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Lupin on the Train
References: <8o8mse+llqm@eGroups.com> <39A810D2.14021FF3@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <00a801c00fa8$a21ff6a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 185

The question I have is "was he really sleeping?"  Winks.  Have you, as a parent, kept your eyes closed just to see what a kid will do when you aren't looking, but keeping watch underneath your eyelashes (I know this trick--prolly do a lot of other parents!) and keeping a keen ear out for trouble.  He did snort, and make noises causing Draco and posse to leave quickly when they started trouble....

    

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peg Kerr 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Lupin on the Train




  Blaise wrote:

  >
  > Remus wasn't necessarily on the train to guard only Harry, but to
  > protect all the students from the Dementors, should any problems
  > arise.  Therefore it would make no difference where he sat, and he
  > can sleep until the end of the journey when the Dementors will
  > arrive.  Obviously, fate and JKR combined to make Harry et al. sit
  > with him, and as it turned out they were the ones who had difficulty
  > with the Dementors.

  Good point.  Still, I think that if he had been specifically requested
  to
  "guard the students" he wouldn't have been sleeping.

  > Okay, I have to play Hermione here and say, 'You can't Apparate to
  > Hogwarts.'

  Ack.  I blush as I say, "I knew that!"  (And to think I always laughed
  at
  Harry and Ron for continually forgetting!)  Well, I suppose he might
  have apparated into Hogsmeade and walked to the school from there--but
  then what about his trunk?  How DO the teachers get to Hogswart, or do
  they live there year round?  If they don't, what do they do during the
  summers?

  >
  > And you can find 'A Second Chance' on www.fanfiction.net if you do a
  > search for either the title or for Blaise - that's me.  I hope you
  > enjoy it!
  >
  > ~Blaise.

  Thanks.  I'll check it out.

  Peg

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 22:01:56 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:01:56 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: still me (was: other fan-fic?
References: <022b01c00f67$3f8060c0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <4.3.1.0.20000826121543.00b43630@mail.oswell.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c00fa9$40ac57a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 186

I am confused.  How does the html show up?  I know those stupid banners come through on my emails, but I mainly ignore them (COME LEARN HOW TO BE A BUDDHIST!  (sp)).  Is that the html, or is there other stuff that I am missing?

Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: christine 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 3:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: still me (was: other fan-fic?


  At 12:08 PM 8/26/00, you wrote:
  >1) Can the moderators set some setting so that when this e-group
  >receives postings with HTML, it strips off the HTML before re-mailing
  >it to the rest of us?

  Unfortunately you have to edit your replies to take out all the unnecessary 
  garbage :o(.  It can be a bit of work, but I think it is necessary for 
  those doing digest, so they don't get a big mash of incoherent postings and 
  replies.....

  Christine




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From dorband at uwp.edu  Sat Aug 26 22:07:54 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:07:54 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
Message-ID: <8o9f3q+t287@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 187

As I read CoS, I didn't think that a basilisk was anthing other than
a 
snake (I'd never heard the term *basilisk*, and since Tom Riddle was 
speaking Parseltongue to it, I just assumed that a basilisk = snake). 
 Further, I assumed that the basilisk in the Secret Chamber at 
Hogwarts had been slithering (slytherin) through the plumbing at 
Hogwarts for Dumbledore's entire tenor as Headmaster, perhaps even 
longer - perhaps since the beginning of Hogwarts when the Chamber was 
constructed by Salazar Sltherin. 

While the basilisk may not have been in the *plumbing* for all this 
time, it is strongly implied that the basilisk was the cause of 
Moaning Myrtle's death.  So the basilisk lived inside the Chamber of 
Secrets for "over a thousand years" (according to Prof. Binn, this is 
the age of Hogwarts), the Chamber having been built by Salazar 
Slytherin either initially or shortly after, at least before he "left 
the school".  I think it is safe to say that the basilisk - THIS 
basilisk - is the "horror within" that the Slytherin heir would 
unleash to "purge the school of all who were unworthy to study
magic." 
 This basilisk apparently only needs to eat once per millenium - come 
to think of it, it may not have to eat at all!  (Geez, having said 
that, I seem to recall some passage that proposed to explain how the 
thing could survive so long within a sealed chamber...do I recall
such 
a passage?...I look...I can't find anything, Hmmm.)

I guess the question is: what constitutes the opening and closing of 
the Chamber?  The first *opening* we have is the large pipe behind
the 
sink with the snake scratched into the copper tap.  *Opening #2 is
the 
Chamber proper: "...a solid wall ahead on which two entwined serpents 
were carved, their eyes set with great, glinting  emeralds."  Inside 
the Chamber is a statue of Salazar Slytherin, *opening* #3 is the 
mouth out of which the basilisk crawls.  Each of these three openings 
is accomplished by speaking parseltongue.  

Harry sees Tom Riddle as a *physical being* when he gets into the 
Chamber, but was Tom able to embody himself at will?  Or was Tom 
Riddle's diary able to speak?  Or did the diary enable Ginny to utter 
in parseltongue?  As always, the resolution of one question leads to 
the asking of many more.  

At any rate, I now know that the basilisk was NOT Nagini, and the boa 
constrictor that was let out of the cage is neither Nagini nor a 
basilisk...(although I'm still unclear as to why/how a basilisk 
responds to parseltongue if its not a snake?).

Hail Hufflepuff!!
the Badgers' Kin

P.S.  Really - I don't take this as seriously as it seems...really!!!






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 26 22:16:45 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:16:45 -0000
Subject: Petrified Peeves & Bloody Baron
In-Reply-To: <20000826215420.15526.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8o9fkd+lc2a@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 188

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Randy Estes wrote:

> [Peeves]is already a non-living creature in some kind of torment 
> due to his ghostly nature.

Peeves is a poltergeist. I am not at all sure that poltergeists are a 
subset of ghosts. Maybe they are an ectoplasmic life form that never 
had a previous human life. Maybe that makes them more vulnerable in 
general than ghosts are.

> What could the Bloody Baron do to him that causes him to be afraid?

I don't know, but I can speculate on what the Bloody Baron *might* 
have the ability to do to punish ghosts: 1) upbraid them in such 
a verbally vicious manner that they were prefer physical torture 
(ghosts CAN have their feelings hurt: Nick is trying not to cry at 
being rejected by the Headless Hunt, while Myrtle was almost cheerful 
at Hermione being nice to her until Peeves started "teasing" about 
her acne. Digression: Why on earth did she have acne while alive, why 
would ANYONE at Hogwarts have acne? Madam Pomfrey can remove the 
much more serious problem of boils easily enough, so why doesn't she 
just issue all students a bar or bottle of magic anti-acne soap that 
they wash their faces with once in the morning and any pimples go 
away and don't come back.)

2) Confine them to some small and boring place, such as inside a 
bottle.

3) Hideous magical tortures that I cannot even imagine.  

For that matter, who is the Bloody Baron? Someone suggested that he 
might be Salazar Slytherin himself, but Nearly Headless Nick is Sir 
Nicholas de Mimsey-Porpington, beheaded in 1492: he is not Godric 
Gryffindor.... is he?






From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Aug 26 22:38:08 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:38:08 -0500
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
References: <8o9f3q+t287@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A846D0.5E9AF2E0@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 189

Hi --

badgers' kin wrote:

> As I read CoS, I didn't think that a basilisk was anthing other than
> a snake (I'd never heard the term *basilisk*, and since Tom Riddle was
>
> speaking Parseltongue to it, I just assumed that a basilisk = snake).

It is a snake in CoS.  I think JKR must have modified the mythological
basilisk to suit her purposes -- it probably seems (a) more frightening,
and (b) more importantly, far more connected to Salazar Slytherin & the
Slytherin house in general, for it to be a giant serpent (without the
resemblance to a rooster that  a true cockatrice/basilisk is said to
have).  I think it's one of those cases where JKR has taken artistic
license with some known myths to serve her purposes.  The basilisk in
CoS *is* a snake, a giant snake with the powers (kills with its stare,
highly venomous) and weaknesses (the crowing of a rooster is fatal to
it) of the mythological creature (sometimes known alternately as a
cockatrice and a basilisk).

> While the basilisk may not have been in the *plumbing* for all this
> time, it is strongly implied that the basilisk was the cause of
> Moaning Myrtle's death.

I think it was more than implied -- it's pretty clear that the last time
the Chamber was opened, 50 yrs before CoS, Moaning Myrtle was the
student that was killed, and from all descriptions, she died by looking
directly into the eyes of the basilisk.

> This basilisk apparently only needs to eat once per millenium - come
> to think of it, it may not have to eat at all!  (Geez, having said
> that, I seem to recall some passage that proposed to explain how the
> thing could survive so long within a sealed chamber...do I recall
> such a passage?...I look...I can't find anything, Hmmm.)

Now, that is an interesting question.  Although the pathway to the
Chamber had dead rat bones -- since most snakes do subsist on rats, I
think it's safe to say that rats meet their end in the Chamber.  But,
how do the rats enter the sealed Chamber??  Hmmm .. ..  more mysteries.

> Harry sees Tom Riddle as a *physical being* when he gets into the
> Chamber, but was Tom able to embody himself at will?  Or was Tom
> Riddle's diary able to speak?  Or did the diary enable Ginny to utter
> in parseltongue?  As always, the resolution of one question leads to
> the asking of many more.

I think the diary (Riddle) enabled Ginny to speak parseltongue (a power
she wouldn't have retained once out from under the diary's spells).  Tom
Riddle essentially took over Ginny's body to achieve his ends (setting
the basilisk on the school multiple times & then going down to the
Chamber at the end).  My impression is that Riddle's "memory" was
becoming stronger & taking Ginny's life bit by bit somehow -- I never
was too clear if he could have actually become his own 16 yr old self
again had Harry not saved Ginny.  You're right -- answers but many more
questions.

Penny


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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 22:30:48 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:30:48 -0000
Subject: Cosmetic Magic (was Petrified Peeves & Bloody Baron)
In-Reply-To: <8o9fkd+lc2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o9geo+33uv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 190

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
 Digression: Why on earth did she have acne while alive, why 
> would ANYONE at Hogwarts have acne? Madam Pomfrey can remove the 
> much more serious problem of boils easily enough, so why doesn't 
>she just issue all students a bar or bottle of magic anti-acne soap 
>that they wash their faces with once in the morning and any pimples 
>go away and don't come back.)

We've mentioned this in conjunction with Hermione's hair this week, 
right?  None of the kids (except perhaps Cho and Cedric) seem to be 
picture perfect.  They are just regular adolescents with all the 
hormonal horrors--gawkiness, teeth that need braces, pug noses, etc.--
 that growing up entails.  

I have the feeling that Pomfrey only cures health-threatening 
maladies, injuries, and the like.  Perhaps Dumbledore or the school 
rules forbid the use of magic for cosmetic reasons.  This way, they 
wouldn't have a school full of Britney Spears clones on their hands.  
Wouldn't it boring if *everyone* in the wizarding world looked like a 
cover model?  

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 26 22:34:31 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (bel_imperia at btinternet.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:34:31 -0000
Subject: The Rocky Horror Picture Show
In-Reply-To: <8o488o+svee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8o9gln+42pf@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 191

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Dee (Denise) Rogers" 
<gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> "Alicia/Sue Spinnet" <Last Movie Seen: "The Rocky Horror Picture 
Show"
> 
> 
> Wow.  Another RPHS'er?  KEWL~  I love that movie.  I make a good 
> Janet.  (Not certain if that's a compliment or not?)
> 
> 
> :)
> Dee

Oh, this is so bizarre - I just joined the group while watching 70's 
night on BBC 2, checked the messages and there was one marked Rocky 
Horror while I'm watching the Floor Show in Rocky Horror...

So, while I'm here I'd better say hi - I'm on PoU and just got a 
message from Penny suggesting I should join.

Alix






From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Aug 26 22:43:59 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:43:59 -0500
Subject: Magical Cures for Medical Maladies
References: <8o9fkd+lc2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A8482F.9809A51@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 192

Hi --

Rita Winston wrote:

> Digression: Why on earth did she have acne while alive, why would
> ANYONE at Hogwarts have acne? Madam Pomfrey can remove the  much more
> serious problem of boils easily enough, so why doesn't she just issue
> all students a bar or bottle of magic anti-acne soap that they wash
> their faces with once in the morning and any pimples go away and don't
> come back.)

This ties in with the why would any wizard need to wear glasses (why
can't they just fix Harry's eyesight)?  I probably haven't thought this
through quite enough yet, but . . . . I wonder if it might be that in
order for there to be a magical *cure* for something, the initial
problem had to be *caused by* magic in the first place.  For example,
Harry's arm was deboned but Pomfrey fixed it with "Skele-Grow" (clearly
a magical remedy!).  That problem could be fixed by magic because it was
Lockhart's failed magic that caused the problem in the first place.

Of course, I can contradict my own theory easily enough by remembering
that Madame Pomfrey says she can mend bones in a matter of minutes (and
she does with Neville).  But, is this because the accidents occurred on
school grounds whilst learning magic???

Any takers on this wild & crazy theory???  Like I said -- it was a spur
of the moment thought -- I haven't considered all examples so I'll
probably be proven wrong quickly enough.  <g>

Penny



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From brooksar at indy.net  Sat Aug 26 22:49:22 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks A. Rowlett)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:49:22 -0500
Subject: Peeves
References: <967328211.1669@egroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A84975.2AE5183@indy.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 193

Peeves is described as
1) a poltergeist, and 
2) not strictly a ghost, according to Nearly Headless Nick

I don't know why i didn't catch on to this before, but the thread made
it pop into my head. Poltergeists are reported far more frequently
around dwellings with adolescents.  Sometimes hidden observers actually
cacth the kids themselves throwing things around and then they claim it
must be ghosts.  Others assert that poltergeists are not ghosts proper
but rather 'excess psychic energy' being blown off by kids with hormone
surges, manifesting itself in uncontrolled telekinesis.

Can you imagine all the excess psychic energy all these generations of
adolescent witches and wizards have flowing around Hogwarts?

I suspect that Peeves is a composite being of all that excess energy,
with enough magical power built up that he became 'manifest' and
sentient, and utterly thoroughly annoying - as teenagers can be.  

This might make a good fanfic by the way - Peeves gains so much power as
a result of the strong energy flowing around Harry & Co. and the enemies
bringing the fight to Hogwarts, that he becomes an actual threat rather
than an extreme annoyance.

-Brooks



From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 22:53:45 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:53:45 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Cosmetic Magic (was Petrified Peeves & Bloody Baron)
References: <8o9geo+33uv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <013501c00fb0$7d9ee540$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 194

Acne...
It was mentioned in GoF about the hideous plants they had to squeeze the first day of school, that helped Madame Pomphrey cure acne, and stop kids from cursing themselves, which in one case "erased?" a girl's nose.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ebony Elizabeth Thomas 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:30 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Cosmetic Magic (was Petrified Peeves & Bloody Baron)


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
  Digression: Why on earth did she have acne while alive, why 
  > would ANYONE at Hogwarts have acne? Madam Pomfrey can remove the 
  > much more serious problem of boils easily enough, so why doesn't 
  >she just issue all students a bar or bottle of magic anti-acne soap 
  >that they wash their faces with once in the morning and any pimples 
  >go away and don't come back.)

  We've mentioned this in conjunction with Hermione's hair this week, 
  right?  None of the kids (except perhaps Cho and Cedric) seem to be 
  picture perfect.  They are just regular adolescents with all the 
  hormonal horrors--gawkiness, teeth that need braces, pug noses, etc.--
  that growing up entails.  

  I have the feeling that Pomfrey only cures health-threatening 
  maladies, injuries, and the like.  Perhaps Dumbledore or the school 
  rules forbid the use of magic for cosmetic reasons.  This way, they 
  wouldn't have a school full of Britney Spears clones on their hands.  
  Wouldn't it boring if *everyone* in the wizarding world looked like a 
  cover model?  

  Ebony AKA AngieJ


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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 26 22:58:50 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:58:50 -0000
Subject: "Lost Generation" Ramblings
Message-ID: <8o9i3a+lpf3@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 195

I've just finished reading the most recent installment of Blaise's 
latest fic.  The reason why I like her work is because she always 
makes me think.  Finishing it immediately after "Call of the Wild" 
earlier today, I began to feel incredibly sad.  

I quote WolfieTwins, whose version of Remus Lupin notes to himself 
that "their generation had been decimated by Voldemort".  Decimated.  
There's no other word for it.  Of the Marauders, there's one dead, 
one a traitor, one a fugitive (anyone else love that movie?), and one 
despised for what he is.  Despite our attempts to write alternate 
endings for their stories in poetry and prose, I'm not sure if the 3 
that are still alive will ever be able to resume normal life.

We've only been introduced to one particular clique of that 
generation but I am sure that they were not the only group thus 
affected.  We only can see through Harry's eyes most of the time--
somehow, I think he has been shielded from full knowledge of the 
massive damage that was done a decade and a half prior.  (Interesting 
theory:  the boomers in HP, thus "decimated" by the War are lesser in 
number than the other age brackets--a much different scenario than 
the one we're familiar with, in which anyone under 30 is made to feel 
as if they missed out on the Best Social Movements-Music-Television-
Movies-Ever.  Here's a Gen-X/Y response:  What-ever.)

Then I began to wonder if there is a connection of any sort between 
the Grindewald War and the First Voldemort War.  Does this parallel 
WWI and WWII in Muggle history?  We at least know the First Voldemort 
War involved all of Europe (i.e., Karkaroff as Death 
Eater=lieutenant).  Was this War truly worldwide, involving wizards 
and witches on every continent?  To quote Hagrid, "every child in 
(the wizarding) world knows Harry Potter's name."  (Hmm.  Harry=the 
Bomb?  OK, OK!  I'll stop drawing parallels.)

I'm interested in finding out more the psychological and social 
effects of war on a civilization/nation/culture in general, and this 
fictional one in particular.  I wonder if some of the things that 
we've taken for granted in Harry's world were only imposed after 
Voldemort left power.

Thanks for letting me ramble.  I'm one of those annoying people who 
just *has* to share if something's bothering me.  ;)  

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From HPforGrownups at egroups.com  Sun Aug 27 00:01:45 2000
From: HPforGrownups at egroups.com (HPforGrownups at egroups.com)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 00:01:45 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HPforGrownups 
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No: HPFGUIDX 196


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From recla at magick.net  Sun Aug 27 00:25:17 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Prof.  Dumbledore)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:25:17 -0000
Subject: Location of the Leaky Cauldron !
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No: HPFGUIDX 198

For those who were keeping up with my travels, I left Oregon Last 
week for a Trip to London on a personal quest to try and locate the 
Leaky Cauldron.  Best guess, based on the various descriptions from 
the books, placed it somewhere on Charing Cross Road, North of 
Trafalgar Square, and probably South of Trottenham Court Road.

I have created a new File Folder for Location of the Leaky Cauldron, 
with photos taken in the area.  

With the Help of "BabyNick" and "Flying Ford Anglia-Neal" we were 
able to pinpoint it's location on Charing Cross Road, just South of 
Oxford Street by about two blocks.  This places it between a Book 
Store and a Record Shop, both located on Charing Cross Road. From the 
front it appears as a simple doorway, to our Muggle eyes.  We can 
only guess what it's appearance is to a magical person.  

In addition to being an area of many book stores and record shops, 
just South of this particular block, is the theatre district with 
several of the more popular London plays are being performed. This 
would also help to hide anyone who might look or dress unusually. The 
locals or tourists would probably consider them to be a performer.
It was very common to see people dressed as Sherlock Holmes, 
Electronic Robots, and others strange sites as these street 
performers worked to collect donated coins for their performances.

Seeing someone the size of Hagrid, would only be passed off as one of 
the local performers in costume.

For those who are interested in locating this area, Walk North on 
Charing Cross Road from Trafalgar Square, or take the Underground to 
Tottenham Court Road Station and go South or the Leicester Square 
Station and go North.  Cross road will be Denmark Street and Charing 
Cross Road.  

BTW, there is a good Quick Chinese Take Away, about two doors down 
from the Leaky Cauldron.  

Dennis




From jickndim at garden.net  Sun Aug 27 00:34:01 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:34:01 -0000
Subject: Hallmark DOES have HP stuff! Plus more on the NYTimes
Message-ID: <8o9nlp+sb7l@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 199

Just did a look at the Hallmark websight.  They have a bunch of
stuff.  
My look was rather cursory but I saw six items.  All were made of 
pewter but not terribly interesting looking IMHO.  All appeared to be 
Christmas tree ornaments.  There were a Harry figure for $12.95
                                      a Hermione Figure -$12,95
                                      a"Hogwarts Charms group $12.95
                                            consisted of five small 
figures including a sorting hat, a snitch, a flying key, a book and a 
hatching dragon.
                                      a Hedwig           $ 7.95
                                      a Dumbledore       $12.95
There may be other offerings but I didn't search the entire web
sight.  
If anyone would like to do further research the sight is simply 
Hallmark.com.

On the New York Times: The book editor's name is bill Goldstein and 
his address is bill at NYTimes.com.   If anyone else would like to email 
him about the ridiculousness of starting a children's book list in 
order to remove the HP books from overpowering the regular fiction 
list - He Da Man.

Jim Hohman




From jickndim at garden.net  Sun Aug 27 01:14:23 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:14:23 -0000
Subject: NYTimes (cont'd)
Message-ID: <8o9q1f+aafv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 200

I don't know why that email address was cut off./  To repeat it's
Bill 
Goldstein  and his e-mail address (forgive me for not giving a 
complete URL) is Bill at nytimes.

Jim




From summers.65 at osu.edu  Sun Aug 27 02:23:18 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:23:18 -0500
Subject: Welcome, vilkommen, bienvenue, come on in...
Message-ID: <v02140b1ab5ce2b98beba@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 201


Hello, grownups!

After many many urgings by the illustrious Penny I join your ranks with
pleasure.  :-)  It was hard before because I am Without Browser and as such
have little access to Yahoo, but egroups has email subscription so here I
am.

Anyway...I'm Lori Summers, I'm a grad student, blah blah blah.  I live in
Ohio...anyone else in Ohio?  Columbus, to be precise.

Glad to be here.  I unsubscribed from hpanon as soon as I subscribed here.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "Princess of Insufficent Light"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Austin Powers" Soundtrack
Current book: "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich
***********************************************************





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 01:28:05 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:28:05 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Welcome
References: <v02140b1ab5ce2b98beba@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <01d601c00fc6$0d99d320$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 202

Canton Ohio here Lori!  Nice to have you!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: summers.65 at osu.edu 
  To: hpforgrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:23 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Welcome, vilkommen, bienvenue, come on in...



  Hello, grownups!

  After many many urgings by the illustrious Penny I join your ranks with
  pleasure.  :-)  It was hard before because I am Without Browser and as such
  have little access to Yahoo, but egroups has email subscription so here I
  am.

  Anyway...I'm Lori Summers, I'm a grad student, blah blah blah.  I live in
  Ohio...anyone else in Ohio?  Columbus, to be precise.

  Glad to be here.  I unsubscribed from hpanon as soon as I subscribed here.

  Lori


  **********************************************************
  Lori   "Princess of Insufficent Light"  Summers

            "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
              Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
              South America stole our name
              Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                          --Randy Newman

  Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
  Reigning car-CD:  "Austin Powers" Soundtrack
  Current book: "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich
  ***********************************************************



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From jickndim at garden.net  Sun Aug 27 01:31:17 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:31:17 -0000
Subject: Profiles
Message-ID: <8o9r15+hf8g@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 203

When I checked my profile the listing noted that "this member has no 
public profile" (castrated?)  Seriously, how do I change that I
really 
don't want to hide in the dark like "you-know-who"  
Jim Hohman




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sun Aug 27 01:33:54 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:33:54 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] DOES Hallmark have HP stuff! Plus more on the  NYTimes
References: <8o9nlp+sb7l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A87002.F8355B9D@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 204

Still cannot find them on the site - where are they? I've looked in the Xmas
ORnaments section under Holidays & Seasons, to no avail.

Jim Hohman wrote:

> Just did a look at the Hallmark websight.  They have a bunch of
> stuff.
> My look was rather cursory but I saw six items.  All were made of
> pewter but not terribly interesting looking IMHO.  All appeared to be
> Christmas tree ornaments.  There were a Harry figure for $12.95
>                                       a Hermione Figure -$12,95
>                                       a"Hogwarts Charms group $12.95
>                                             consisted of five small
> figures including a sorting hat, a snitch, a flying key, a book and a
> hatching dragon.
>                                       a Hedwig           $ 7.95
>                                       a Dumbledore       $12.95
> There may be other offerings but I didn't search the entire web
> sight.
> If anyone would like to do further research the sight is simply
> Hallmark.com.
>
> On the New York Times: The book editor's name is bill Goldstein and
> his address is bill at NYTimes.com.   If anyone else would like to email
> him about the ridiculousness of starting a children's book list in
> order to remove the HP books from overpowering the regular fiction
> list - He Da Man.
>
> Jim Hohman
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sun Aug 27 01:36:51 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:36:51 -0400
Subject: hallmark url
References: <8o7vgg+nj2o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A870B3.C4535AD3@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 205

Okay, I hereby rescind my last email.
Here's the URL for the hallmark ornaments:
http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/Shopping/sh_browsing.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0743895559.0967340014@@@@&BV_EngineID=galijefdflebedbfhcjjcnf.0&fromPage=%2fWebsite%2fAboutHallmark%2ftk_catalog_browse.jsp%3fCONTENT_KEY%3d-104723%26CONTENT_TYPE%3dCATALOG&hdnCatOID=-104723&hdnPage=5

and
http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/Shopping/sh_browsing.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0743895559.0967340014@@@@&BV_EngineID=galijefdflebedbfhcjjcnf.0&fromPage=%2fWebsite%2fAboutHallmark%2ftk_catalog_browse.jsp%3fCONTENT_KEY%3d-104723%26CONTENT_TYPE%3dCATALOG&hdnCatOID=-104723&hdnPage=6

Big philosophical question - does a nonChristian HP fan get them?
Maybe I'll use them as ceiling fan pulls...




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 01:37:52 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:37:52 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] hallmark url
References: <8o7vgg+nj2o@eGroups.com> <39A870B3.C4535AD3@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <01f601c00fc7$6b3de1a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 206

Heidi, what kind of non-Christian are you?  Wiccan, Hindu, etc?  If you are wiccan, you have to have a Yule tree, and of course ornaments are always good!  Grins.

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: heidi 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:36 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] hallmark url


  Okay, I hereby rescind my last email.
  Here's the URL for the hallmark ornaments:
  http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/Shopping/sh_browsing.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0743895559.0967340014@@@@&BV_EngineID=galijefdflebedbfhcjjcnf.0&fromPage=%2fWebsite%2fAboutHallmark%2ftk_catalog_browse.jsp%3fCONTENT_KEY%3d-104723%26CONTENT_TYPE%3dCATALOG&hdnCatOID=-104723&hdnPage=5

  and
  http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/Shopping/sh_browsing.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0743895559.0967340014@@@@&BV_EngineID=galijefdflebedbfhcjjcnf.0&fromPage=%2fWebsite%2fAboutHallmark%2ftk_catalog_browse.jsp%3fCONTENT_KEY%3d-104723%26CONTENT_TYPE%3dCATALOG&hdnCatOID=-104723&hdnPage=6

  Big philosophical question - does a nonChristian HP fan get them?
  Maybe I'll use them as ceiling fan pulls...


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From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Sun Aug 27 03:07:28 2000
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:07:28 -0700
Subject: Muggle Basilisk
In-Reply-To: <8o830o+jhm2@eGroups.com>
References: <8o66dd+nutl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000826195053.024534d0@pop.mindspring.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 207

FYI, the Muggle Basilisk is a lizard, about 2 feet long, greenish in color,
with "fins" on its head, back and tail somewhat reminiscent of the "sails"
on the dinosaurs _Spinosaurus_, _Amargasaurus_, and _Suchomimus_ and
the pre-dinosaurian reptile _Dimetrodon_.  Basilisks have the further oddity
that they can run on their back legs, and can even run on the surface of
the water in rivers.

If I can find a scan of a picture of one I'll upload it to the archive...



                                                 -- Dave




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sun Aug 27 03:05:13 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:05:13 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] other fan-fic?
References: <8o6ofe+4jsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A88569.4231CF8C@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 208



badgers' kin wrote:

> Are there any more out there that someone would recommend?  I know
> there are thousands, but really, I'd like a hint at some of the
> better
> ones, in you opinion.

Has anyone recommended Draco Dormiens from Cassandra Claire?
You can find it at http://www.fanfiction.net too.




From lrcjestes at msn.com  Sun Aug 27 03:12:14 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:12:14 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Welcome, vilkommen, bienvenue, come on in...
References: <v02140b1ab5ce2b98beba@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <005801c00fd4$9a8402c0$e38ed3c6@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 209

> Anyway...I'm Lori Summers, I'm a grad student, blah blah blah.  I live in
> Ohio...anyone else in Ohio?  Columbus, to be precise.

And did she fail to mention the author of Paradigm of Uncertainty....(are we
still doing unmaskings here today............   : )

>
> Glad to be here.  I unsubscribed from hpanon as soon as I subscribed here.
>

This is a much more happening list, with much cooler people (no offence
meant to anyone still on the HPAnon list, I am still subscribed, but no
longer receive the emails....)


So excited to see you here...Penny will be glad her recruitment efforts
succeeded.

carole






From lrcjestes at msn.com  Sun Aug 27 03:15:30 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:15:30 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR experience
References: <8o9gln+42pf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006601c00fd5$0ecc61e0$e38ed3c6@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 210


> So, while I'm here I'd better say hi - I'm on PoU and just got a
> message from Penny suggesting I should join.
>
> Alix


Now, Alix just related a way cool JKR experience with the PoU list and I was
wondering if she would like to share it with the class?  I thought it was
cool anyway.

carole






From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 03:53:01 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:53:01 -0000
Subject: Welcome, vilkommen, bienvenue, come on in...
In-Reply-To: <v02140b1ab5ce2b98beba@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8oa3at+58hv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 211

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:
> 
> Hello, grownups!

Grownups, indeed!  You'll soon know the rampant arrested development 
that dwelleth herein...<g>


> Anyway...I'm Lori Summers, I'm a grad student, blah blah blah.  I 
live in
> Ohio...anyone else in Ohio?  Columbus, to be precise.
> 

Welcome; not from Ohio, but Wisconsin - Go Badgers!  
We look forward to your perspective on all things HP...or PoU!

Hail Hufflepuff!!
the Badgers' Kin






From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 03:58:55 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:58:55 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
In-Reply-To: <8o9515+e9ai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa3lv+njjk@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 212

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> 
> > We are told that Percy used to own Scabbers, right?  And Fred and 
> > George had the map for ages.  (snip)  Wouldn't F&G have noticed 
> > [that the rat was labelled Peter Pettigrew] before
> 
> I often wonder about that


I have too, and I think that this has been discussed before, so I 
wont belabor the point except to say that I tend to think that this 
is an oversight on JKRs part.  But another thing it brings to mind, 
based on some of the recent discussions of Dumbledore, is that if 4 
students could create something like the Marauders Map, which 
recognizes a persons true identity and location, isnt it likely that 
there is a spell that could do the same?  Why doesnt Dumbly just use 
this *True Identity* Spell from time to time, just to make sure 
everyone at Hogwarts is really who they say they are.  There seem to 
be WAY too many imposters floating around the school grounds.  Also, 
how come Gred and Forge didnt notice (during HPs first year) when 
they looked at the map that Quirrell was always accompanied by Thomas 
M. Riddle.  (Or maybe they did but since they didnt know who he was 
they just figured that Quirrell had an enchanted mouse in his pocket).




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 04:04:59 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:04:59 -0000
Subject: Does the Hallmark Merchandise Exist???
In-Reply-To: <39A7BF88.F8493A40@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <8oa41b+nkkq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 213

---If so I'd like to know where it is....I visted two Hallmarks today 
neither of which had anything, and at one the woman hadn't heard of 
the items.  The ornaments are also not in the dream book.  

My local Hallmark employees some friends, so I asked and they said 
that at the shows there was lots of Harry Potter things but that the 
manager is Anti-Harry and wouldn't order it...oh well!

But I have yet to see (or hear) of any of it!!!  And I would LOVE the 
Dept. 56 houses as I collect them.




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 04:07:39 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:07:39 -0000
Subject: Lupin on the Train (was Re: Dumbledore, Head of   House, Portkeys)
In-Reply-To: <39A83B44.99AB98A1@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8oa46b+n1hm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 214

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Rita Winston wrote:
> 
> > Hey, Peg Kerr: author of Please Don't Eat the Daisies?
> >
> 
> :-) no, that's Jean Kerr, I think, but I have had a couple of books
> published.  (See my webpage for further info if you're interested.)
> 


Hey You Muggles - We have a GEN-U-INE published sci-fi author in our 
group.  Cool!!!!!  I will read your books Peg, ASAP.  Where do you 
recommend I purchase them?




From DsSweetestAngel at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 04:08:25 2000
From: DsSweetestAngel at aol.com (DsSweetestAngel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:08:25 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
Message-ID: <67.8de295b.26d9ee39@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 215

Good points but, if you remember when Harry first got the map it didn't say 
everyone in the school, it just said people (this is a stretch) that would 
interest or their information would be deamed valuable.



From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 04:11:48 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:11:48 -0000
Subject: Muggle Basilisk
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000826195053.024534d0@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <8oa4e4+m2r8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 216

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at m...> 
wrote:
> FYI, the Muggle Basilisk is a lizard, about 2 feet long, greenish
in color,

In fact, basilisks' anti-predator defense is to freeze in place, 
unmoving and just barely breathing - so in a sense they real basilisk 
turns *itself* to stone!

-Brooks





From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 04:13:25 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:13:25 -0000
Subject: Profiles
In-Reply-To: <8o9r15+hf8g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa4h5+9qsd@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 217

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jim Hohman" <jickndim at g...> wrote:
> When I checked my profile the listing noted that "this member has
no 
> public profile" (castrated?)  Seriously, how do I change that I
> really 
> don't want to hide in the dark like "you-know-who"  


Go to the egroups home page, or to a list page.  If you are signed in
, 
near the "welcome (your ID)" there is a "My profile" link.





From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 04:14:22 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:14:22 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <39A846D0.5E9AF2E0@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8oa4iu+n1e9@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 218

> > As I read CoS, I didn't think that a basilisk was anthing other 
than
> > a snake (I'd never heard the term *basilisk*, and since Tom 
Riddle was

> It is a snake in CoS.  I think JKR must have modified the 
mythological
> basilisk to suit her purposes 

According to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English 
Language, a basilisk is

basilisk (b?s?e-l?sk?, b?z?-) noun
1.	A legendary serpent or dragon with lethal breath and glance.
2.	Any of various tropical American lizards of the genus 
Basiliscus, characterized by a crest on the head, back, and tail and 
the ability to run on the hind legs.

and a serpent is

serpent (s?r?pent) noun
1.	A reptile of the order Serpentes; a snake.

In other words a mythological basilisk is a snake or a dragon, and a 
real basilisk is a type of lizard.






From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 04:18:26 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:18:26 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <39A846D0.5E9AF2E0@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8oa4qi+s263@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 219

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer 
<linsenma at h...> wrote:
I never was too clear if he could have actually become his own 16 yr 
old self again had Harry not saved Ginny.  


<me>
It seems that since he had already assumed *some* kind of physical 
form, a form indistinguishable from a real human form, Ginny's 
survival seems unnecessary to enable this; the important act was the 
stabbing of the diary within which his *memory* lived.  I wonder if 
the ONLY thing that would have worked was the fang of that particular 
basilisk -  THIS basilisk - is the "horror within" that the Slytherin 
heir would unleash to "purge the school of all who were unworthy to 
study magic."   This basilisk effectively killed the heir of 
Sltherin's memory!

Does that seem pretty profound, or am I reaching?!


Hail Hufflepuff!!
the Badgers' Kin

P.S. Thanks, Penny, for helping me get re-attached to the group <g>

And thanks to EVERYONE for their recommendations for fan-fics.  I
will 
get started on them ASAP.




From summers.65 at osu.edu  Sun Aug 27 05:16:57 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:16:57 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Welcome, vilkommen, bienvenue, come on in...
Message-ID: <v02140b1cb5ce54565134@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 220


>
>Welcome; not from Ohio, but Wisconsin - Go Badgers!
>We look forward to your perspective on all things HP...or PoU!
>
>Hail Hufflepuff!!
>the Badgers' Kin
>
Hey!  I'm originally from Wisconsin!  I spent the first 18 years of my life
there!  All hail Badgers!  I am a cheesehead through and through.

Lori

ps for anyone who's interested I've put down ten pages of chapter 14  in
the last day.  I'm on fire, baby...but I *really* have to go to bed now for
waking-up at 7 a.m. though I'd much rather stay up and finish it!


**********************************************************
Lori   "Princess of Insufficent Light"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Austin Powers" Soundtrack
Current book: "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich
***********************************************************





From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Sun Aug 27 04:26:37 2000
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:26:37 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Is Dumbledore right in the head?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000826115038.00cd8620@mail.oswell.com>
References: <1.5.4.32.20000826184257.006dab0c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000826212304.00baf340@pop.mindspring.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 221

At 11:59 AM 8/26/00 -0700, christine wrote:
>I always figured his behaviour was a bit of a put-on, to make him seem
>harmless, or to make him appear more "human".

I see Dumbledore as being the Lieutenant Columbo of wizards: He puts
on the facade of a bumbling weirdo in order to give his enemies a false
sense of security.

>There are many times that Harry could have gone to Dumbledore to solve 
>various
>mysteries, but he never thinks too, and Dumbledore never volunteers
>info.  Does that make sense?

I think one of Harry's major character flaws is that he seems to distrust
his elders, even the trustworthy ones (the tragic result of years living under
the same roof as Vernon and Petunia Dursley)...



                                                 -- Dave




From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 04:42:43 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:42:43 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa4iu+n1e9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa683+so61@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 222

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Joywitch " <joym999 at a...> wrote:

> According to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English 
> Language, a basilisk is
> 
> basilisk (b?s?e-l?sk?, b?z?-) noun
> 1.	A legendary serpent or dragon with lethal breath and glance.

> serpent (s?r?pent) noun
> 1.	A reptile of the order Serpentes; a snake.
> 
> In other words a mythological basilisk is a snake or a dragon...


<me>

This may have been spoken of earlier regarding the serpent, basilisk 
and dragon; we know that in HP, at least, regular snakes (the boa)
and 
 basilisks of the serpentine variety speak/understand parseltongue.  
We have no indication yet that the basilisks of the dragon variety 
speak parseltongue.  Does it seem reasonable to suggest that it takes 
so many highly trained wizards to control the dragons (in GoF)
because 
they're not communicating very well - in fact NO ONE in the wizard 
world communicates very well with the dragons, because the *dragons 
speak parseltongue*! Nagini will advise Voldemort of this and 
they will begin efforts to recruit the dragons to their evil 
cause!  With Hagrid's(and Norbert's) help, Harry will convince the 
dragons to unite with the wizarding world to conquer Voldemort and 
Nagini...We shall see the Battle of the Basilisks!!!!!

That certainly DOES seem unreasonable...


Hail Hufflepuff!!!
the Badgers' Kin




From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 04:50:27 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:50:27 -0000
Subject: Hidden e-addresses, & attachments,  was NYTimes (cont'd)
In-Reply-To: <8o9q1f+aafv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa6mj+l108@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 223

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jim Hohman" <jickndim at g...> wrote:
> I don't know why that email address was cut off./  To repeat it's
> Bill 
> Goldstein  and his e-mail address (forgive me for not giving a 
> complete URL) is Bill at nytimes.


Apparently Egroups hides email addresses to protect them from the web 
search robots that go prowling for SPAM targets.  However, if you
look 
at the message in the archive at egroups and click on it, A window
will 
come up allowing a message to be sent - something only a person can
do, 
apparently.

There is one small additional consequence of no attachments I forgot
to 
mention, far outweighed by having greatly reduced risk of virus 
transmission.  Most email applications make a forwarded message an 
attachment.  So you cannot forward something to an egroups list set
to 
'no attacnments'; you must copy and paste the content you want to 
forward into you message

-Brooks





From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 04:50:46 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:50:46 -0000
Subject: Welcome, vilkommen, bienvenue, come on in...
In-Reply-To: <v02140b1cb5ce54565134@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8oa6n6+6ec1@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 224

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:

> Hey!  I'm originally from Wisconsin!  I spent the first 18 years of 
my life
> there!  All hail Badgers!  I am a cheesehead through and through.

<me>
Get outta here!! You couldn't be, you're too, well, talented to be 
from here! <vbg>  We're not known as a literary hotbed, y'know, eh?
 

> 
> ps for anyone who's interested I've put down ten pages of chapter
14 
 in
> the last day.  I'm on fire, baby...but I *really* have to go to bed 
now for
> waking-up at 7 a.m. though I'd much rather stay up and finish it!
> 

YES!!!  We're very interested; but you're right, finish it up on a 
good night's rest.  Post it as soon as you can!
 

Hail Hufflepuff!!!
the Badgers' Kin





From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 04:52:45 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:52:45 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa683+so61@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa6qt+spo2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 225

> because the *dragons 
> speak parseltongue*!

Then why didn't Harry catch a hint of them screaming  "YOU !! STAY
WAY 
FORM MY EGGS"?





From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 04:53:26 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:53:26 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa683+so61@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa6s6+1ku2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 226

> because the *dragons 
> speak parseltongue*!

Then why didn't Harry catch a hint of them screaming  "YOU !! STAY
WAY FROM MY EGGS"?





From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 04:58:41 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:58:41 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa6qt+spo2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa761+1vu0@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 227

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Brooks R" <brooksar at i...> wrote:
> > because the *dragons 
> > speak parseltongue*!
> 
> Then why didn't Harry catch a hint of them screaming  "YOU !! STAY
> WAY 
> FORM MY EGGS"?


LOL!!! That was funny!


Dragons seem too important, in a magical creature kinda way, to have
a 
limited role.  They'll come into play before the end of this tale.

Thanks for the laugh!


Hail Huffle Puff!!
the Badgers' Kin




From DsSweetestAngel at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 05:01:32 2000
From: DsSweetestAngel at aol.com (DsSweetestAngel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:01:32 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
Message-ID: <a9.a533964.26d9faac@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 228

In a message dated 8/26/00 10:58:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
brooksar at indy.net writes:

<< Then why didn't Harry catch a hint of them screaming  "YOU !! STAY
 WAY FROM MY EGGS"?
  >>
I'm not quite sure about this theory but if you think about it, every time, 
well almost, the thing was obviously a snake and that screamed at his 
parseltounge instict of what they were saying, maybe faced with a dragon 
which in harry's mind isn't a snake he fought the instict to inturpet



From klaatu at primenet.com  Sun Aug 27 05:12:12 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:12:12 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Location of the Leaky Cauldron !
In-Reply-To: <8o9n5e+9j3q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEENCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 229

Great photos!  Thanks -- now I get a better idea of what to visualize.  You
guys really went to a bit of work to get this pictures just right (labels
included - LOL!).  And I LOVE your photo of yourself in the members photos
section, Prof Dumbledore.



-----Original Message-----
From: Prof. Dumbledore [mailto:recla at magick.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 5:25 PM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Location of the Leaky Cauldron !


For those who were keeping up with my travels, I left Oregon Last
week for a Trip to London on a personal quest to try and locate the
Leaky Cauldron.  Best guess, based on the various descriptions from
the books, placed it somewhere on Charing Cross Road, North of
Trafalgar Square, and probably South of Trottenham Court Road.

I have created a new File Folder for Location of the Leaky Cauldron,
with photos taken in the area.

With the Help of "BabyNick" and "Flying Ford Anglia-Neal" we were
able to pinpoint it's location on Charing Cross Road, just South of
Oxford Street by about two blocks.  This places it between a Book
Store and a Record Shop, both located on Charing Cross Road. From the
front it appears as a simple doorway, to our Muggle eyes.  We can
only guess what it's appearance is to a magical person.

In addition to being an area of many book stores and record shops,
just South of this particular block, is the theatre district with
several of the more popular London plays are being performed. This
would also help to hide anyone who might look or dress unusually. The
locals or tourists would probably consider them to be a performer.
It was very common to see people dressed as Sherlock Holmes,
Electronic Robots, and others strange sites as these street
performers worked to collect donated coins for their performances.

Seeing someone the size of Hagrid, would only be passed off as one of
the local performers in costume.

For those who are interested in locating this area, Walk North on
Charing Cross Road from Trafalgar Square, or take the Underground to
Tottenham Court Road Station and go South or the Leicester Square
Station and go North.  Cross road will be Denmark Street and Charing
Cross Road.

BTW, there is a good Quick Chinese Take Away, about two doors down
from the Leaky Cauldron.

Dennis



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From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 05:20:31 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:20:31 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa761+1vu0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oa8ev+a5cu@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 230

> 
> Dragons seem too important, in a magical creature kinda way, to have
> a 
> limited role.  They'll come into play before the end of this tale.



I dunno.  As I remarked once upon a time on Yahoo, most fantasies in 
the last 60 years plus have had dragons being very intelligent, able
to  speak Human even if Humans can't speak Dragon, and very sneaky. 
In
HP the dragons - indeed all magical creatures other than Centaurs,
who 
after all are half human, including the brain half - are 'dumb 
animals',  although Fawkes may be a partial exception.  (By the way, 
one version of the Phoenix myth is that there is only one Phoenix at
a time, which is another convention that HP is apprarently not
using.)  
Conversely, snakes - even non-magical ones -  seem to be able to talk 
back in some cases, and at least listen and obey in others (the 
summoned snake which went after Justin).  Crookshanks has something 
above and beyond, as well as the rats in the wizard animal store
where 
he was bought; but Trevor, Neville's toad, seems to have only the
power 
to run away from him frequently!  The owls seem to have intelligence 
greater than 'animal' as well, but they are also not able to 
communicate back, unless there is a 'Radagast the Brown' -  style 
wizard around who can talk to birds.

I do not think dragons will show up, unless Voldy's magic arsenal 
includes a spell sufficient to tame dragons enough for them to be in
an army.  

-Brooks





From drmm at Juno.com  Sun Aug 27 05:15:12 2000
From: drmm at Juno.com (Dr M M)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:15:12 -0500
Subject: hello, hello, hello. . . .
Message-ID: <20000827.002030.-802501.0.drmm@juno.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 231

Hello everyone :)  After recieving a message on PoU about this list now
being on egroups instead of Yahoo I decided to join. . . I dislike Yahoo,
so wouldn't join it on there, but now, here I am :)  I'll prolly
unsubscribe to hpanon now....it depends on how many messages fill my
mailbox.

Anyway about me, I'm a 21 year old senior English/History major in
Nebraska (the place where (American) college football is the national
sport and red the national color).  Hobbywise I read, watch TV, indulge
myself in far too much anime (Japanese animation), hang out on IRC (I
even started #Hogwarts on sorcery.net) and write (very slowly -- which
means the 50 pages I have to write for my creative writing class this sem
will be hard).

I adore Harry Potter and Snape is my favorite character (hey, he's the
only two-dimensional character in the books -- besides, he's such
fascinatingly warped character) :)  Now that I'm here I will continue my
crusade to convince everyone that Snape was in love with Lily and that's
the reason why he hated James so much, hates Harry but protects him
anyway, and acted like such a raving lunitic with Sirius. :)

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From klaatu at primenet.com  Sun Aug 27 05:23:29 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:23:29 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Is Dumbledore right in the head?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000826212304.00baf340@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEENCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 232

Harry has been told since infancy, "Don't ask questions!"  He might assume
that ALL adults react to his questions the same way that the Dursleys react.



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hardenbrook [mailto:DaveH47 at mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:27 PM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Is Dumbledore right in the head?

I see Dumbledore as being the Lieutenant Columbo of wizards: He puts
on the facade of a bumbling weirdo in order to give his enemies a false
sense of security.

>There are many times that Harry could have gone to Dumbledore to solve
>various
>mysteries, but he never thinks too, and Dumbledore never volunteers
>info.  Does that make sense?

I think one of Harry's major character flaws is that he seems to distrust
his elders, even the trustworthy ones (the tragic result of years living
under
the same roof as Vernon and Petunia Dursley)...



                                                 -- Dave



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From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 05:44:41 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:44:41 -0000
Subject: Voldemort and....Gandalf??? and Voldy's strategy
Message-ID: <8oa9s9+lmaq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 233

Has anybody noticed a kind of parallel with Voldy and Gandalf?

Both fight a dangerous enemy, in essence die, and are reborn, to 
greater power than ever before.  Both talked about wandering for a
long  time, I think Gandalf may have even said something about
feeling formless....  in contrast though, Gandalf gets more nearly 
imortal, whereas probably much of Voldy's anti-dying measures are now 
no longer working on him.

It would be a really interesting idea for Voldy to lie low through
the next book, trying to restore as many of those anit-dying measures 
as possible, before coming out and attacking openly again.  Think of 
the advantages to him - if he gets word that Fudge is refusing to
take 
measures, refusing to believe, then not only does he have time to do 
so, but lying low helps lull the wizardly community at large into 
complacency; and it raises doubts about Harry's veracity  -  "But I
SAW Voldemort!"  "If he's back in physical form, why hasn't he shown 
himself? Why hasn't he attacked?"  -  it would also offer a symmetry 
around GoF as the central book:

Book I : Voldy present in form of a 'possessing spirit'
Book II: Memory of Voldy as a teenager animating an object
Book III: Voldy not present at all, but his supposed and real minions 
are
Book IV: Voldy re-manifests physically

If Book V has Voldy lying low, with most of the conflict between
Death Eaters and Forces of Light, and the DE's trying to hide it as 
much as possible from the General Wizarding Populace, that would be 
again symmetric around the Central Book - (GoF).  Of course, symmetry 
then becomes harder....
Symmetry would then maybe make Book VI with Voldy being real but 
attacking Harry et al from a distance, and finally Book VII might
have all the forms present at once  - Voldy possessing and operating 
multiple wizards at the same time trying to overwhelm Harry via the 
control spell  - most of the other students in the class couldn't
throw it off.  What happens if Voldy and DE's manage to place most of 
the students under his control and has them attack Harry?  How many
wizards can he fight off at once?  How constrained is he for fear of 
hurting them?

All in all, it might be a real interesting, and unsettling
development, for Voldy to spend the next book biding his time and 
making preparations, rather than doing out and out attacks.  If he is 
going to be something other than an evil overlord and make all those 
classic mistakes, that is perhaps what he should do - do everything
in 
his power to ruin the reputation of Harry, Dumbledore, etc., while 
biding his time and gaining strength.  Voldemort is probably smarter 
than the Kzinti, who always attacked just before they were actually 
ready to do so....

...and from an author's prespective, it gives opportunity for much
more character development of Harry, who has to keep doing the right 
thing even when not supported, in ways that he has already been doing 
in the previous books; and it also builds even more sympathy in the 
reader for  Harry, who becomes more an more isolated and an
underdog...

So of course JKR will probably come up with a plot that is even 
cleverer than that! :-)

-Brooks





From vjmerri at iquest.net  Sun Aug 27 06:35:18 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:35:18 -0000
Subject: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
In-Reply-To: <8o840n+kru7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oacr6+8qpk@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 234

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
I have > imagined Snape uncomfortably but dutifully carrying out some 
of his > responsibilities:
> 
> "Miss Parkinson, while Mr. Malfoy is a very appropriate person with 
> whom for you to associate, the bushes behind the Herbology 
> greenhouses are not at all an appropriate place for you to be seen 
> associating with him. In fact, in *my* day, no decent young witch 

In *his* day no decent young witch would probably have anything to do 
with him.  That's why they didn't go in the bushes :-)

It would be just like Snape to dress down Pansy Parkinson for 
sneaking into the bushes while letting Draco Malfoy get off scot 
free.  After all, he's a boy.

I thought it was really nasty of Snape to take 10 points each from 
Hufflepuff and ravenclaw because of the couple in the rose bushes in 
GoF.  Now it wasn't wrong perhaps to break it up before anyone got 
carried away in the school grounds, but to take points away was a 
typical piece of Snape nastiness.  Bet he wouldn't have taken any 
points away if a Slytherin male was involved.

> So she returns to her common room, quietly sulking or cussing over 
> having been given this punishment assignment, but when she sighs 
> and pulls out quill and parchment to copy the text, she sees that 
> the title is "Easy Contraceptive Charms".

Which leads to an interesting question.  Are all wizard children 
planned?  Or at least looked for?  I wouldn't be surprised if wizards 
had fairly simple contraceptive charms available to them.

Vicki




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Sun Aug 27 06:47:43 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:47:43 -0000
Subject: random ramblings before my "sabbatical"
In-Reply-To: <39A7BF33.D5DB2CE1@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <8oadif+leir@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 235

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, heidi <heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> 
wrote:
> 
> > ReinaKata02 at y... wrote:
> >
> >> wizard money (book 2, I think), then can Harry do the opposite 
and > >> have some spending money for his time at the Dursley's?

> I more or less concluded that if he came home from school with any
> money, the durselys would assume one of 3 things: (a) he had a 
magical > way to turn paper into money, (b) he stole it (as IF!), or 
(c) he really > did have some inheretence from his parents, as 
Petunia had suspected, > and now he was going to give them access to 
it darnit! > None of which could lead to good results

I never thought it that way, but you're right.  The Dursley's would 
see any money as suspicious.  I was with the group who thought that 
he could surely exchange a little to have some Muggle pocket money.

However, now Harry is old enough that he could again get some money 
exchanged, if only to buy some muggle clothes that fit.  he could say 
that his godfather, Sirius Black, the notorious murderer, had given 
him the money.  Or, if he didn't want to lie, he could still say that 
he got it from a friend in the wizarding world (after all, his 
parents would have been friendly if they had lived.)

  JKR said that his clothes were all hand me downs from Dudley.  Now 
if that were really true, then he'd have had trouble keeping them 
on.    I know!  Harry got very good at shrinking charms his first 
year and has been using them to good effect ever since.  :-)

However, Harry could explain away small amounts of muggle money, and 
he could keep it hidden in his Hogwarts trunk where the Dursley's 
would never go looking.  Its time for him to exchange from at 
Gringotts and have a little pocket money.  Not enough to rouse their 
suspicions, but just a little.

Vicki




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Sun Aug 27 06:56:55 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:56:55 -0000
Subject: Threats.....
In-Reply-To: <8o96ok+kvop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oae3n+a4rf@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 236

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Penny Linsenmayer wrote:
> 
> > Actually, I did remove him from the Club this morning.  His 
message
> I'm sure you did absolutely the right thing: that messager didn't 
> deserve to get too much thought before being removed. However, I 
> seem to recall that long months ago, someone posted that they had 
> been looking at a list of all Yahoo's HP clubs and seen that many 
> of them had fallen to zero members after a last post by 
> Harry_Potter_Must_Die, and wondered if that people was going 
> around destroying HP clubs.

I just finished up the last messages on that list and even posted a 
couple of replies.  Its late Saturday/early Sunday morning so he may 
threaten, but he doesn't seem to have any secret access to Yahoo that 
would permit him to actually destroy the club.

I find it disturbing if he is able to scare people into unsubscribing 
or if this is someone with inside access to yahoo groups.  Perhaps 
the person who saw the list was mistaken.  I can't imagine Yahoo 
permitting such a thing to happen.

OTOH, the list did experience some really bad flaws during the last 
two weeks.

Penny, can you send his edress or profile to someone at Yahoo and 
request that it be investigated?

vicki




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Sun Aug 27 07:31:50 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:31:50 -0000
Subject: Lupin on the Train
In-Reply-To: <00a801c00fa8$a21ff6a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8oag56+h0h2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 237

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> The question I have is "was he really sleeping?"  Winks.  Have you, 
as a parent, kept your eyes closed just to see what a kid will do 
when you aren't looking, but keeping watch underneath your eyelashes 
(I know this trick--prolly do a lot of other parents!) and keeping a 
keen ear out for trouble.  He did snort, and make noises causing 
Draco and posse to leave quickly when they started trouble....
------------------

I wondered when I read the book whether he was really sleeping.  It 
sounds as though many of us suspect he wasn't, or at least that he 
woke up sooner than he appeared to but continued to feign sleep 
throughout the journey.

Perhaps he had a way to doze/meditate so that he really was resting, 
but he became more aware when necessary.  It was the snorting noises 
he made that drove Draco and gang off that made me suspect he might 
have been feigning sleep for at least part of the journey.

It had never occurred to me, however, that he traveled on the train 
to protect the students in general, or Harry in particular.  I don't 
think they (dumbledore and the MoM) expected the Dementors to 
actually stop the train, but its possible that he was there in case 
of trouble.  Since we learn in GoF that dumbledore considers 
Lupin "part of the old gang" then he would have had sufficient 
knowledge of his abilities to know that he could hold off a dementor.


I'm not completely convinced, but it is certainly possible.

Vicki





From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 07:43:19 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:43:19 -0000
Subject: Lupin on the Train
In-Reply-To: <8oag56+h0h2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oagqn+20j5@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 238

I somewhat think that the situation was as follows: Lupin was on the 
train to get there (maybe he cannot apparate either, or if there was
a full moon recently, was too tired, as has been said); is certainly
too poor to afford a broom due to his difficulty holding a job; picked
that compartment of that car because he thought he was most likely to 
get some rest there.  Harry & Co. wound up in that compartment & that 
car for logical reasons (for one thing it makes the Slytherins have
to 
search the whole train, if they decide to drop in!). The fact that RL 
was there was useful for Harry & Co. both in terms of driving away
the 'Slytherin Slugs' AND when the Dementor came aboard, has much to
do 
with the fact that authors like to have good things happen sometimes 
(especially when they advance the plot).  But something Diane Duane 
suggested in her writing also comes to my mind- sometimes the 'Forces 
of Light' intervene in very subtle ways, arranging a good meeting or
a fortunate coincidence because they foresee that such events will be 
useful in the future and will help the people on the Light side to 
advanc and grow.  "There are no coincidences" - it happened that way 
because the Universe  (or the Forces of Light) *wanted* it to happen 
that way.  





From msmacgoo at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 07:45:28 2000
From: msmacgoo at hotmail.com (snuffles )
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:45:28 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore and the Rat, Map
In-Reply-To: <8o8mtu+meef@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oaguo+dgv4@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 239

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "badgers' kin" <dorband at u...> wrote:
>  
> > We are told that Percy used to own Scabbers, right?  And Fred and 
> George had the map for ages.  On Lupin's desk, the map revealed 
> Peter's real name, not Scabbers.  Wouldn't F&G have noticed this 
> before, and knew something wasn't right?  I really don't think 
they'd 
>  let that mystery go without investigating?
> > 
> > Just a thought.
> > :)
> > Dee
> 
> 
> 
> This reminds me that I have always been somewhat confused about the 
> way that Gred and Forge passed the map to Harry, saying that they
> "had 
> memorized it already" and that it wouldn't be much good to them 
> anymore (paraphrasing).  Knowing the nature of the map, there 
really 
> is nothing to memorize, exactly, and its function is to show the
> "here 
> and now" so it would never become obsolete...
> 
> ...I want to think that Gred and Forge no longer need this 
particular 
> Marauders' Map because they have developed a New and improved 
> Marauders' Map, which leaves this one as, more or less, a 
prototype,  
> In that way, they would no longer need it.  
> 
> 
> Hail Hufflepuff!!
> the Badgers' Kin

I think that what they had memorized is all the secret exits to 
Hogwarts. Maybe they didn;t relaise the significance of Peter, after 
all there must be 200+ ppl at Hogwarts, + house elves etc so maybe 
they didn;t really notice.

sorry to pour cold water on your they made a better one theory ....






From brooksar at indy.net  Sun Aug 27 07:47:10 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:47:10 -0000
Subject: Lupin on the Train
In-Reply-To: <8oagqn+20j5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oah1u+gvae@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 240

Err - in short i think he WAS really sleeping, and was NOT
deliberately 
placed to be watching over Harry.  Left that out of my epistle, sorry.





From msmacgoo at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 07:54:45 2000
From: msmacgoo at hotmail.com (snuffles )
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:54:45 -0000
Subject: Wizard Baruffio and the Wingardium Leviosa Charm
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000826134356.00702164@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8oahg5+1k22@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 241

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Neil Ward <neilward at d...> wrote:
> At 12:05 08/26/2000 -0000, you wrote:
> >Hallo everyone and loverly to met you all, now, down to bussness, 
can 
> >anyone explain the joke in the wl charm - i've puzziling how 
Wizard 
> >Baruffio finishes up with a Buffalo on his chest when there is 
no "f" 
> >in Wingardiun Leviosa to misspronounce as a "s".
> >So how come ? [HP1 page 126 UK Ed]
> >
> >This has probably been discussed a number oftimes, just that I 
> >haven't come across it.
> >
> >would love to know.
> 
> I think Flitwick was stressing that "saying magic words" correctly 
is
> important in general.  The reference to Baruffio was an 
illustration of a
> small mistake that had had unexpected results, but he must, 
logically, have
> been casting something other than the Wingardium Leviosa spell.     
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>             Flying-Ford-Anglia
> 
>  *****************************************
> 
>    "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
>    the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
>    its rear lights blazing angrily"
> 
>  [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]
> 
>  *****************************************

thanks Neil, hadn't thought of that, a sadly prosaic, but likely, 
explination




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Sun Aug 27 08:04:04 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:04:04 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa6s6+1ku2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oai1k+m8f2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 242

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Brooks R" <brooksar at i...> wrote:
> > because the *dragons > > speak parseltongue*!
> 
> Then why didn't Harry catch a hint of them screaming  "YOU !! STAY
> WAY FROM MY EGGS"?

Although I agree with you that JKR doesn't seem to show dragons as 
intelligent creatures, there is certainly an explanation for why 
Harry didn't hear the Dragon screaming at him.

Remember that as soon as he stepped out and started to concentrate on 
the accio charm to get his Firebolt, his ears went dead.  He didn't 
hear the crowds, he didn't hear Bagman's play by play, he heard 
nothing until it was all over.

So if JKR wants to, she has a good reason that Harry didn't hear that 
particular dragon.  And of course the reason he didn't communicate 
with the Norwegian Ridgeback that Hagrid had in SS is that it was a 
baby and didn't know how to talk yet :-)


Personally, I don't think that dragons speak parseltongue, but if JKR 
wants to have Harry speak with a dragon in 5, 6 or 7, she can easily 
justify why he didn't hear the other ones. . . except, and this just 
occurred to me so I'm not going to rewrite my post, he should have 
heard them screaming at the wizards when he saw them with Hagrid down 
in woods.  Hmmm.  I don't think she's going to do it.

vicki




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Sun Aug 27 08:04:09 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:04:09 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa6s6+1ku2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oai1p+79gv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 243

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Brooks R" <brooksar at i...> wrote:
> > because the *dragons > > speak parseltongue*!
> 
> Then why didn't Harry catch a hint of them screaming  "YOU !! STAY
> WAY FROM MY EGGS"?

Although I agree with you that JKR doesn't seem to show dragons as 
intelligent creatures, there is certainly an explanation for why 
Harry didn't hear the Dragon screaming at him.

Remember that as soon as he stepped out and started to concentrate on 
the accio charm to get his Firebolt, his ears went dead.  He didn't 
hear the crowds, he didn't hear Bagman's play by play, he heard 
nothing until it was all over.

So if JKR wants to, she has a good reason that Harry didn't hear that 
particular dragon.  And of course the reason he didn't communicate 
with the Norwegian Ridgeback that Hagrid had in SS is that it was a 
baby and didn't know how to talk yet :-)


Personally, I don't think that dragons speak parseltongue, but if JKR 
wants to have Harry speak with a dragon in 5, 6 or 7, she can easily 
justify why he didn't hear the other ones. . . except, and this just 
occurred to me so I'm not going to rewrite my post, he should have 
heard them screaming at the wizards when he saw them with Hagrid down 
in woods.  Hmmm.  I don't think she's going to do it.

vicki




From anglinsbees at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 08:41:01 2000
From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:41:01 -0000
Subject: hallmark merchandise
In-Reply-To: <39A7BF88.F8493A40@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <8oak6t+c4qc@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 244

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, heidi <heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> 
wrote:
> >
> >
> >> 5.) MERCHANDISE:  Is the Hallmark stuff available yet?
> >

I visited my best local hallmark shop and asked- they know it is 
coming, but do not know any exact dates, or exactly what is coming- 
their memo mentions christmas ornaments tho...

I got put on a list to be called when something comes in- but I 
couldn't reserve anything because they didn't know what was coming.

If anyone knows any dates, I'd really like to know!

Ellen the Beekeeper





From ymekelly at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 11:46:23 2000
From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Yamil=E9e_M._Emmanuel-Kelly?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:46:23 -0700
Subject: Hallmark Merchandise 
In-Reply-To: <8oai1k+m8f2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBJDMFILGFGCACIFHFGEDMCAAA.ymekelly@yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 245

   WOW!!! I just finished reading all the post from Friday to today.  Like
many of you, I to am back at work in the school system and don?t have time
to read all the post.
   Anyway, my friends and I have looked all over the Palm Beach area in
different Hallmark store.  Results:  The merchandise isn?t in the stores yet
BUT it?s on its way.  I saw the catalog of things to come and it looks
reeeeeaaaaallllllllly good.  It had more than just ornaments.  I put my name
on a list for when the things come in.



  Here is the deal.  Not all the stores will get merchandise.  If your local
store doesn?t act fast, they will miss out.  Hallmark is giving them some
type of time limit to ask for the merchandise.  Out of all the stores I went
to (9 in total), only 3 were taking names to put on a list, four had no idea
what I was talking about and 2 were simply not going to sell the products.



  When the stores call me, I will be sure to let you guys know.  I think we
won?t see anything till the end of Sept.  By that?s just my IMHO.





  YMEK



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From anglinsbees at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 09:07:06 2000
From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:07:06 -0000
Subject: Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <8o93r1+puu7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oalnq+ld06@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 246

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Joywitch " <joym999 at a...> wrote:
> 
> Not to mention other countries....I have been wondering how a  
> country the size of Luxemburg can have a Quidditch team good 
> enough to beat Englands national team in the Quidditch World Cup 
> playoffs. I suspect JKR is seriously stretching logic here.  
>

 Well, remember that Luxomburg is a wealthy little country- something 
to do with tax laws, isnt it?  Perhaps they can afford to hire the 
very best professionals?

Ellen the Beekeeper





From anglinsbees at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 09:23:28 2000
From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:23:28 -0000
Subject: Litter of Werewolves
In-Reply-To: <8o99b8+sodd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oammg+a35q@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 247

< in Book 2, TRJ 
> accuses Hagrid of raising a litter of werewolf cubs under his 
> bed, in Book 3, there is Lupin...  Blaise and I had some 
conversation 
> about whether there are multiple kinds of creatures called 
> "werewolf", one kind being the human who transforms just one night 
a 
> month, and another kind being a wolf full-time. .....

Just a supposition..

I remember an old tale, where an evil lord, in a fit of anger, 
changed his young wife into a hound.  Only after the tranformation 
was complete did he realize that she was pregnant.  Since the 
pregnancy hadn't been taken into account in the transformation, he 
was unable to tranform her and the baby (Or was it babies?) back into 
humans.  She gave birth as a dog, and the child was born as a puppy, 
and spent it's life as an unusually intelligent dog.

So If a female werewolf conceived or bore her children in wolf form, 
couldn't they be dominantly wolf?

What about other shape-shifters?  What would happen if a female 
animagus transformed while pregnant?  The Child would have to be 
transformed too... Wouldn't it?

Maybe crookshanks is a product of such mixed magics.......

Ellen the Beekeeper




From anglinsbees at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 10:03:59 2000
From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:03:59 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <8oa683+so61@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oap2f+j5b5@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 248

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "badgers' kin" <dorband at u...> wrote:

> We have no indication yet that the basilisks of the dragon variety 
> speak parseltongue.  Does it seem reasonable to suggest that it 
takes 
> so many highly trained wizards to control the dragons (in GoF)
> because 
> they're not communicating very well - in fact NO ONE in the wizard 
> world communicates very well with the dragons, because the *dragons 
> speak parseltongue*! 

I get the feeling, from the descriptions of the figurines picked out 
of the sack before the !st challenge in GOF that Rowlings Dragons are 
much more Lizard- like than serpent like- thus they wouldn't speak 
parsltongue.

I would think that dragons, if they turn out to be more than just 
really mean animals, would have their own unique language- which may 
be shared with lizards.

(Anyone remember the old short sotory from one of the Alfred 
Hitchcock anthologies about a scientist creating a dragon by 
repairing the defects in the heart of a baby alligator?)

On Good snakes- I was hoping, when Sirius sent a tropical Bird with 
Harry's message, that we were going to find out that Sirius was 
recovering in Brazil, and Had met up with Harry's friendly Boa from 
the zoo somehow. (Don't ask me how, since as far as we know Sirius 
does not speak Parseltongue.)

I'd really like to think that that snake made it home, curled up snug 
inside the walls of a fancy cruise ship, snacking on tasty rats and 
mice well fattened by the gourmet kitchen.

Ellen the Beekeeper





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 10:11:14 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:11:14 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Location of the Leaky Cauldron !
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000827101114.00717424@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 249

At 00:25 08/27/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>With the Help of "BabyNick" and "Flying Ford Anglia-Neal" we were 
>able to pinpoint it's location on Charing Cross Road, just South of 
>Oxford Street by about two blocks.  This places it between a Book 
>Store and a Record Shop, both located on Charing Cross Road. From the 
>front it appears as a simple doorway, to our Muggle eyes.  We can 
>only guess what it's appearance is to a magical person.  

Yes, we were obviously feeling a bit unmagical that day and couldn't see it
in its true glory.  Also, I noted that JKR didn't mention the lingerie shop
opposite the entrance to Diagon Alley.  If she had, it's possible the New
York Times would never have relegated the first book to the Children's list.

Dennis - it was great to meet you and hear about Oregon.  But, EEEEK!, I'm
not sure I should thank you for posting that photo of me outside The Leaky
Cauldron [best guess].  I look like I'm doing an impersonation of Oliver Hardy!

>It was very common to see people dressed as Sherlock Holmes, 
>Electronic Robots, and others strange sites as these street 
>performers worked to collect donated coins for their performances.... 

>Seeing someone the size of Hagrid, would only be passed off as one of 
>the local performers in costume.

I didn't like to say at the time, Dennis, but those weren't street
perfomers, they were just average Londoners going about their daily
business.  In London, you can be ten feet tall with a massive straggly beard
and just blend into the crowd.  It's a colourful place.

Incidentally, does anyone remember me mentioning the theatrical costumiers,
Angel and Bermans?  That's really near the area Dennis was describing, and I
have a theory that it masks a wizard shop - a Muggle clothing emporium
called Pickit & Makeshift.  Witches and wizards pop in there to get kitted
out for extended forays into the Muggle world.  That's probably where Arthur
picked up his loose jeans and golfing jumper for the trip to the Quidditch
World Cup.  Unfortunately, on the day baby Harry turned Voldemort into a
fleshy fondue, the proprietor of Pickit & Makeshift's, Belladonna Bustier,
had a few too many cups of Jackanape's Juniper Juice and forgot to open the
shop.  That's why everyone was walking around in their wizarding robes that
day.    

Just one of my vague theories...

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 10:11:16 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:11:16 +0100
Subject: Another egroups techie question...& note on Lori
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000827101116.007136fc@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 250

When I receive e-mails to my in-box, it sorts them by date, but the messages
seem to be out of order.  For example, Dee's welcome to Lori appeared before
Lori's first message.  Unless one of them was travelling through time, I'm
assuming that egroups attaches local time to the posts?  Or is it something
else?

Neil

PS - My penfriend, now residing in Richardson, Texas, was born and raised in
Columbus Ohio, and has a sister called Lori, still in Columbus.  But, I
guess that can't be our Lori, because she was born and raised in Wisconsin -
doh!  Also, I guess Columbus boasts more than a couple of people called Lori.


            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From anglinsbees at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 10:14:38 2000
From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:14:38 -0000
Subject: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
In-Reply-To: <8oacr6+8qpk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oapme+tkr0@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 251

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Vicki Merriman" <vjmerri at i...> 
wrote:

> 
> Which leads to an interesting question.  Are all wizard children 
> planned?  Or at least looked for?  I wouldn't be surprised if 
wizards 
> had fairly simple contraceptive charms available to them.
> 


Guess this is another reason thre are so few wizards......

Ellen




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 11:58:58 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:58:58 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Magical Cures for Medical Maladies
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000827115858.00700768@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 252

At 17:43 08/26/2000 -0500, you wrote:

I wonder if it might be that in order for there to be a magical *cure* for
something, the initial
 problem had to be *caused by* magic in the first place.  For example,
Harry's arm was deboned but Pomfrey fixed it with "Skele-Grow" (clearly  a
magical remedy!).  That problem could be fixed by magic because it was
 Lockhart's failed magic that caused the problem in the first place.
 
 Of course, I can contradict my own theory easily enough by remembering that
Madame Pomfrey says she can mend bones in a matter of minutes (and she does
with Neville).  But, is this because the accidents occurred on
 school grounds whilst learning magic???
 
 Any takers on this wild & crazy theory???  

***

Could it be something to do with the difference between disease and trauma?
Diseases or defects are, on the whole, chronic conditions which exist or
develop over a number years, whereas trauma (or injury) is an acute
condition, usually caused by an external influence. 

In the case of broken bones, cuts and bruises - whether caused by magic or
not - they can be fixed by magic. Magic, as the damaging factor, is just as
much an invasive, damaging force as a blow to the head or a burn to the
hand.  When it comes to genetic defects, chronic conditions or hormonal
effects, such as poor vision or acne, there is no quick spell to fix them.
A cure, although it can mean something that eliminates a disease, can also
mean something that helps nurse someone back to health, perhaps with varying
levels of success. 

So, I'd say we have damage-fixing spells for trauma and magical cures for
chronic conditions.  Unless anyone knows better <g>

Neil

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 12:11:58 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:11:58 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Peeves' secret identity?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000827121158.0070a2d0@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 253

At 17:49 08/26/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Peeves is described as
>1) a poltergeist, and 
>2) not strictly a ghost, according to Nearly Headless Nick
>
>I don't know why i didn't catch on to this before, but the thread made
>it pop into my head. Poltergeists are reported far more frequently
>around dwellings with adolescents.  

I agree that poltergeists are associated with teenagers, but in this case
I'm wondering whether Peeves is not actually a poltergeist in that sense,
but a manifestation of Dumbledore's id, which roams the castle, keeping an
eye on the place.  

Perhaps 'Peeves' is formed from the thoughts deposted in the Pensieve?
Pensieve is, I've just spotted, an anagram of "Peeves in" or "In Peeves".
Is he the embodiment of Dumbledore's spare thoughts?  Is Dumbledore's
mischievous side actually the 'Peeves' in him, slipping out now and then?

Neil is still thinking about Dumbledore's behaviour...

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sun Aug 27 12:38:39 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:38:39 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Dumbledore . . . and Gandalf? (was Voldemort  and....Gandalf??? and Voldy's strategy)
References: <8oa9s9+lmaq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A90BCE.528FBBF5@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 254

Brooks R wrote:

> Has anybody noticed a kind of parallel with Voldy and Gandalf?

Hadn't thought about it.  I was struck by the parallel between Dumbledore
and Gandalf; specifically the scene between Gandalf and Frodo in which
Gandalf says that the pity of Bilbo (in sparing Gollum) may rule the fate of
many--it reminds me of Dumbledore telling Harry in PoA that he should be
glad that he spared Wormtail--now Voldemort has his servant back, but
Wormtail is under lifedebt obligation to Harry.  Makes me think that
Wormtail is going to have some sort of Gollum-type role at the series
climax.

Peg




From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 27 13:26:46 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:26:46 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR experience
References: <8o9gln+42pf@eGroups.com> <006601c00fd5$0ecc61e0$e38ed3c6@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006901c0102a$e9134940$5e187bd5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 255

Thanks Carole - always willing to share *g*  So with apologies to any PoUers
who have already heard this, here it is...

OK, well I met her at the launch of GoF at King's Cross in July.  Me and my
mate somehow wandered into the Press Enclosure - we worked it out by the
large 'PRESS' stickers that everyone but us seemed to be wearing, but since
nobody challenged us, we decided to stay.  When she came out, it was just
mad - the press were yelling at her (some of them couldn't even be bothered
to get her name right - 'Go on Joanna, give us a smile').  She really
obviously doesn't like the press and frankly I don't blame her - they kept
on trying to get her to smile, and told her to think of the money - she was
so resolutely grim faced with the press.  Anyway, then she came down to the
barriers to answer questions from the press and sign a few books - she
signed my cover, and then as she was signing my mate's book, I thought it
was now or never and just said 'Sirius Black is meant to be dead sexy, isn't
he?'.  It was so funny - she looked at me as if she was pleasantly surprised
to see friendly faces in amongst all the press hounds - she obviously was
expecting questions about the money, the next books, yadda yadda yadda, not
a fan question - then she smiled and said 'Yes.'  RESULT!!!!

She was moving down the train, and me and my friend, having had our five
seconds, decided to just wander down the platform and soak up the
atmosphere.  Now my friend is very tall, and when JKR leaned out of the
carriage a bit further on to speak to the fans, she saw my friend first and
then saw me, and waved at us.  We mouthed 'Thank you' and she mouthed back
'you're welcome'.  When the train left the station, the powers that be tried
to herd us behind the barriers, which we did for all of about five seconds
before sneaking back out round the back.  We went and stood further down the
platform away from everyone else, and as JKR's carriage went past us we
waved like mad things and yelled 'Thanks!  Bye!' and JKR gave us the million
watt smile that she wouldn't give the press!

And as if that wasn't enough, I got a couple of text messages the next day
telling me to go get the Observer, as me, my friend and JKR were all on page
three - you can see the top of my friend's head, and my face, but it's us
sure enough.  And if anyone's interested after my wittering, I took a few
photos that I could scan in and send privately to people, so as not to clog
up the list - the quality is not all that hot, as it was just one of those
disposable cameras with a dodgy flash, but I like them!

Alix


----- Original Message -----
From: lrcjestes <lrcjestes at msn.com>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] JKR experience


>
> > So, while I'm here I'd better say hi - I'm on PoU and just got a
> > message from Penny suggesting I should join.
> >
> > Alix
>
>
> Now, Alix just related a way cool JKR experience with the PoU list and I
was
> wondering if she would like to share it with the class?  I thought it was
> cool anyway.
>
> carole
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>
>




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 13:53:40 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:53:40 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR experience
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000827135340.006edb80@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 256

At 14:26 08/27/2000 +0100, you wrote:
>Thanks Carole - always willing to share *g*  So with apologies to any PoUers
>who have already heard this, here it is...
>
>OK, well I met her at the launch of GoF at King's Cross in July.  Me and my
>mate somehow wandered into the Press Enclosure - we worked it out by the
>large 'PRESS' stickers that everyone but us seemed to be wearing, but since
>nobody challenged us, we decided to stay.  When she came out, it was just
>mad - the press were yelling at her (some of them couldn't even be bothered
>to get her name right - 'Go on Joanna, give us a smile').  

Alix, you probably missed the report I wrote in the Yahoo incarnation of
this club, following the King's Cross launch.  Nick Mitchell (who lives
pretty close to London) and I were both there too and we took lots of photos
(most of mine were dreadful, but his digital ones were really good and he
followed the train up to Didcot as well). We certainly didn't get as
intimate with the author as you did though <g>.  We must have been standing
right behind you all that time, as I was close enough to hear the press oiks
braying for JKR to give them a smile.  

I think the report and some of the pics are still on Nick's site at
http://www.broomsticks.com (I think that's the URL).  

Pity we didn't manage to meet up on the day.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 27 13:53:46 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:53:46 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Location of the Leaky Cauldron !
References: <1.5.4.32.20000827101114.00717424@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00ce01c0102e$398484e0$5e187bd5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 257

> Incidentally, does anyone remember me mentioning the theatrical
costumiers,
> Angel and Bermans?  That's really near the area Dennis was describing, and
I
> have a theory that it masks a wizard shop - a Muggle clothing emporium
> called Pickit & Makeshift.  Witches and wizards pop in there to get kitted
> out for extended forays into the Muggle world.  That's probably where
Arthur
> picked up his loose jeans and golfing jumper for the trip to the Quidditch
> World Cup.  Unfortunately, on the day baby Harry turned Voldemort into a
> fleshy fondue, the proprietor of Pickit & Makeshift's, Belladonna Bustier,
> had a few too many cups of Jackanape's Juniper Juice and forgot to open
the
> shop.  That's why everyone was walking around in their wizarding robes
that
> day.

Hmm, well last time I was in there, they kitted me out in a 1920s black
chiffon number - maybe they just misheard my request...

Alix




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Sun Aug 27 14:26:57 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:26:57 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Welcome, vilkommen, bienvenue, come on in
Message-ID: <id.27082000102657.00000@FPE>

No: HPFGUIDX 258

Great to finally have you here, Lori!
--------------------------------------------------------------
<Hello, grownups! <snip> Anyway...I'm Lori Summers>



From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 14:09:45 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:09:45 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Threats.....
References: <8oae3n+a4rf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c01030$73ffea40$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 259

I do recall seeing someone had changed the clubs' description line to similar words like he posted in our club in clubs that had died, Vicki.  I don't know the how, but it's a bit disturbing.

:(
Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vicki Merriman 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:56 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Threats.....


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
  > --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Penny Linsenmayer wrote:
  > 
  > > Actually, I did remove him from the Club this morning.  His 
  message
  > I'm sure you did absolutely the right thing: that messager didn't 
  > deserve to get too much thought before being removed. However, I 
  > seem to recall that long months ago, someone posted that they had 
  > been looking at a list of all Yahoo's HP clubs and seen that many 
  > of them had fallen to zero members after a last post by 
  > Harry_Potter_Must_Die, and wondered if that people was going 
  > around destroying HP clubs.

  I just finished up the last messages on that list and even posted a 
  couple of replies.  Its late Saturday/early Sunday morning so he may 
  threaten, but he doesn't seem to have any secret access to Yahoo that 
  would permit him to actually destroy the club.

  I find it disturbing if he is able to scare people into unsubscribing 
  or if this is someone with inside access to yahoo groups.  Perhaps 
  the person who saw the list was mistaken.  I can't imagine Yahoo 
  permitting such a thing to happen.

  OTOH, the list did experience some really bad flaws during the last 
  two weeks.

  Penny, can you send his edress or profile to someone at Yahoo and 
  request that it be investigated?

  vicki


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 14:14:35 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:14:35 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Lupin on the Train
References: <8oag56+h0h2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005301c01031$2115e9a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 260

.  Since we learn in GoF that Dumbledore considers 
Lupin "part of the old gang" then he would have had sufficient 
knowledge of his abilities to know that he could hold off a dementor.


I think it's more like, since Dumbledore hired him as DADA teacher, he has an idea of his skills (How do you send your resume for that position?  Or do the interview?) like any employer would of his employee.  So Dementors weren't a problem.  Perhaps, that's also a reason he hired him, he beat out the others by knowing the "cure"/"anti-spell" to the Dementors where others (Snape?) didn't!

:)
Dee


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 14:16:14 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:16:14 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Lupin on the Train
References: <8oagqn+20j5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006101c01031$5c0be820$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 261

I have noticed that the threesome always choose that last car of the train if they have a chance.  Perhaps that witch who pushes the cart told Dumbledore this, and he placed Lupin in that particular car, knowing that's where they'd end up?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brooks R 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:43 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Lupin on the Train


  I somewhat think that the situation was as follows: Lupin was on the 
  train to get there (maybe he cannot apparate either, or if there was
  a full moon recently, was too tired, as has been said); is certainly
  too poor to afford a broom due to his difficulty holding a job; picked
  that compartment of that car because he thought he was most likely to 
  get some rest there.  Harry & Co. wound up in that compartment & that 
  car for logical reasons (for one thing it makes the Slytherins have
  to 
  search the whole train, if they decide to drop in!). The fact that RL 
  was there was useful for Harry & Co. both in terms of driving away
  the 'Slytherin Slugs' AND when the Dementor came aboard, has much to
  do 
  with the fact that authors like to have good things happen sometimes 
  (especially when they advance the plot).  But something Diane Duane 
  suggested in her writing also comes to my mind- sometimes the 'Forces 
  of Light' intervene in very subtle ways, arranging a good meeting or
  a fortunate coincidence because they foresee that such events will be 
  useful in the future and will help the people on the Light side to 
  advanc and grow.  "There are no coincidences" - it happened that way 
  because the Universe  (or the Forces of Light) *wanted* it to happen 
  that way.  



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From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 14:35:54 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Randy Estes)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:35:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Unplanned Wizardettes
Message-ID: <20000827143554.15368.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 262

Wizards don't all have to have planned pregnancies. 
Picture this:

The big celebration after finally finishing wizard
school leads to a major drinking festival.  All of a
sudden those average looking schoolmates start to look
like the centerfold in Playwizard magazine.  One thing
leads to another, and no teacher has the power to take
away points anymore!  

Nine months later we have major responsibilities on
our hands.  Luckily with those slimmedown spells, no
one at school has to know that she is with child until
the actual wizardette is born.  She's knitting little
pointy hats and he's working two jobs at Diagon Alley
trying to make ends meet.  The Father in law uses his
connections to keep the story out of the Daily
Prophet.  A small article announcing a short
engagement and quick wedding in a small private
setting is posted.

We have the classic tragic untold story of the Wizard
Lower-Middle Class that JKR and others have tried to
hide from us in all these books!  Oh the Humanity! 
Little Sirius grows up to (perish the thought) ride
motorcycles and hang out in "a gang" at school.  The
next thing his parents know he is arrested and sent to
Azkaban!  Oh the shame of it all.  Why didn't they
listen to Professor McGonagall's lecture in Wizard
Health class?


--- Vicki Merriman <vjmerri at iquest.net> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston"
> <catlady at w...> wrote:
> I have > imagined Snape uncomfortably but dutifully
> carrying out some 
> of his > responsibilities:
> > 
> > "Miss Parkinson, while Mr. Malfoy is a very
> appropriate person with 
> > whom for you to associate, the bushes behind the
> Herbology 
> > greenhouses are not at all an appropriate place
> for you to be seen 
> > associating with him. In fact, in *my* day, no
> decent young witch 
> 
> In *his* day no decent young witch would probably
> have anything to do 
> with him.  That's why they didn't go in the bushes
> :-)
> 
> It would be just like Snape to dress down Pansy
> Parkinson for 
> sneaking into the bushes while letting Draco Malfoy
> get off scot 
> free.  After all, he's a boy.
> 
> I thought it was really nasty of Snape to take 10
> points each from 
> Hufflepuff and ravenclaw because of the couple in
> the rose bushes in 
> GoF.  Now it wasn't wrong perhaps to break it up
> before anyone got 
> carried away in the school grounds, but to take
> points away was a 
> typical piece of Snape nastiness.  Bet he wouldn't
> have taken any 
> points away if a Slytherin male was involved.
> 
> > So she returns to her common room, quietly sulking
> or cussing over 
> > having been given this punishment assignment, but
> when she sighs 
> > and pulls out quill and parchment to copy the
> text, she sees that 
> > the title is "Easy Contraceptive Charms".
> 
> Which leads to an interesting question.  Are all
> wizard children 
> planned?  Or at least looked for?  I wouldn't be
> surprised if wizards 
> had fairly simple contraceptive charms available to
> them.
> 
> Vicki
> 
> 


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From estesrandy at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 14:41:37 2000
From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (Randy Estes)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:41:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wizard $ in Muggle World
Message-ID: <20000827144137.23093.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 263

As a worried father of 3 kids who will someday want to
go to college, I am surprised that Vernon doesn't see
the advantage of Harry in Wizard School yet.  He
disappears from view for 9 months every year and it
doesn't cost Vernon a penny.  Now what more can a
disgruntled foster parent ask for?


--- Vicki Merriman <vjmerri at iquest.net> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, heidi
> <heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > ReinaKata02 at y... wrote:
> > >
> > >> wizard money (book 2, I think), then can Harry
> do the opposite 
> and > >> have some spending money for his time at
> the Dursley's?
> 
> > I more or less concluded that if he came home from
> school with any
> > money, the durselys would assume one of 3 things:
> (a) he had a 
> magical > way to turn paper into money, (b) he stole
> it (as IF!), or 
> (c) he really > did have some inheretence from his
> parents, as 
> Petunia had suspected, > and now he was going to
> give them access to 
> it darnit! > None of which could lead to good
> results
> 
> I never thought it that way, but you're right.  The
> Dursley's would 
> see any money as suspicious.  I was with the group
> who thought that 
> he could surely exchange a little to have some
> Muggle pocket money.
> 
> However, now Harry is old enough that he could again
> get some money 
> exchanged, if only to buy some muggle clothes that
> fit.  he could say 
> that his godfather, Sirius Black, the notorious
> murderer, had given 
> him the money.  Or, if he didn't want to lie, he
> could still say that 
> he got it from a friend in the wizarding world
> (after all, his 
> parents would have been friendly if they had lived.)
> 
>   JKR said that his clothes were all hand me downs
> from Dudley.  Now 
> if that were really true, then he'd have had trouble
> keeping them 
> on.    I know!  Harry got very good at shrinking
> charms his first 
> year and has been using them to good effect ever
> since.  :-)
> 
> However, Harry could explain away small amounts of
> muggle money, and 
> he could keep it hidden in his Hogwarts trunk where
> the Dursley's 
> would never go looking.  Its time for him to
> exchange from at 
> Gringotts and have a little pocket money.  Not
> enough to rouse their 
> suspicions, but just a little.
> 
> Vicki
> 
> 


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From jickndim at garden.net  Sun Aug 27 15:21:06 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:21:06 -0000
Subject: Profiles
In-Reply-To: <8oa4h5+9qsd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8obbl2+kki5@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 264

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Brooks R" <brooksar at i...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jim Hohman" <jickndim at g...> 
wrote:
> > When I checked my profile the listing noted that "this member has
> no 
> > public profile" (castrated?)  Seriously, how do I change that I
> > really 
> > don't want to hide in the dark like "you-know-who"  
> 
> 
> Go to the egroups home page, or to a list page.  If you are signed 
in
> , 
> near the "welcome (your ID)" there is a "My profile" link.

Thanks Brooks, but I had already done the "My Profile" change and it 
never showed up in the member list or the member profile.  Any other 
suggestions would be very welcome

Thanks again,
Jim




From recla at magick.net  Sun Aug 27 15:34:25 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Prof.  Dumbledore)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:34:25 -0000
Subject: More Scans
Message-ID: <8obce1+f66b@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 265

I picked up some of the adverts from CARLSEN, the German publisher of 
the HP books.  Their artwork is interesting, and I have put them in a 
folder in the files section for book covers and graphics.  Ron and 
Hermine are Ok, but sure don't like the German Harry Potter artwork.

Dumbledore




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 15:36:41 2000
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:36:41 +0200
Subject: Coming out of the closet
Message-ID: <005201c0103c$993910f0$8971023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 266

> Yes.  I can be slow on the uptake sometimes, but looks like I'm in
> good company.  BTW, one day, Mike&Susan, will you decide if you want
> to be Mike or Susan?  Take that step, baby! [Entschuldigung...]
>

Well, what with all the unbosoming going on in here, I guess I might as well
let you all in on who *I* really am.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/aberforths_goat
------------------------------------

Don't forget to visit my luscious cousins over at the Naked Dancing Lama
Homepage:
http://www.frolic.org/
Get 'em while they're hot!
http://goats.clemson.edu/
Who said a goat can't get religion?
http://astrology.yahoo.com/astrology2/chinese/goat.html

------------------------------------

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Part 1: I'm not really a goat.  Usually, I don't even smell like one.
Part 2: This handle is not meant to encourage improper behavior with goats.
In fact, my creator is a well-mannered anabaptist theologian with a wife and
two children, and he feels a little sheepish about this whole business.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 15:43:11 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:43:11 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Coming out of the closet
References: <005201c0103c$993910f0$8971023e@SHASTA>
Message-ID: <015301c0103d$81f15460$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 267

Mike, please.  Explain this to me.  Did I miss something in the group?

sighs.
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aberforth's Goat 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:36 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Coming out of the closet


  > Yes.  I can be slow on the uptake sometimes, but looks like I'm in
  > good company.  BTW, one day, Mike&Susan, will you decide if you want
  > to be Mike or Susan?  Take that step, baby! [Entschuldigung...]
  >

  Well, what with all the unbosoming going on in here, I guess I might as well
  let you all in on who *I* really am.

  Baaaaaa!

  Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
  http://profiles.yahoo.com/aberforths_goat
  ------------------------------------

  Don't forget to visit my luscious cousins over at the Naked Dancing Lama
  Homepage:
  http://www.frolic.org/
  Get 'em while they're hot!
  http://goats.clemson.edu/
  Who said a goat can't get religion?
  http://astrology.yahoo.com/astrology2/chinese/goat.html

  ------------------------------------

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  Part 1: I'm not really a goat.  Usually, I don't even smell like one.
  Part 2: This handle is not meant to encourage improper behavior with goats.
  In fact, my creator is a well-mannered anabaptist theologian with a wife and
  two children, and he feels a little sheepish about this whole business.


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From summers.65 at osu.edu  Sun Aug 27 16:47:28 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:47:28 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Hallmark Merchandise
Message-ID: <v02140b1eb5cef67c69e0@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 268


I work at a Borders Books & Music and we just got our September
newsletters, inside which was a notice that we can now pre-order the new
2001 Harry Potter calendars.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "Princess of Insufficent Light"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Austin Powers" Soundtrack
Current book: "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich
***********************************************************





From summers.65 at osu.edu  Sun Aug 27 16:49:28 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:49:28 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
Message-ID: <v02140b1fb5cef6e582c5@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 269

>--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Vicki Merriman" <vjmerri at i...>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Which leads to an interesting question.  Are all wizard children
>> planned?  Or at least looked for?  I wouldn't be surprised if
>wizards
>> had fairly simple contraceptive charms available to them.
>>
>
Uh...well, not to give out any spoilers, but I'm planning to at some point
refer to wizard contraception.  I'm thinking a talisman would be a good
thing, something that either person would wear around their neck or wrist
or something.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "Princess of Insufficent Light"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Austin Powers" Soundtrack
Current book: "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich
***********************************************************





From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 16:05:05 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:05:05 -0000
Subject: Profiles
In-Reply-To: <8obbl2+kki5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8obe7h+su4g@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 270

Hi Jim

> Thanks Brooks, but I had already done the "My Profile" change and 
it never showed up in the member list or the member profile.  Any 
other suggestions would be very welcome

Have you modified your subscription?

Go to http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups
On right, under where it says Membership, click on Modify
Then click the box next to Display My Profile
and Save Changes.

The membership list should now show your profile.

However, just looking at the membership page, it already displays 
your profile... so the above is for anyone else who has not worked 
out how to display their profile

Nick





From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 16:10:42 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:10:42 -0000
Subject: Another egroups techie question...& note on Lori
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000827101116.007136fc@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8obei2+8056@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 271

Hi Neil and all

> When I receive e-mails to my in-box, it sorts them by date, but the 
messages seem to be out of order.  

Strange... seems OK to me, but not been on the eGroup list long - so 
didn't get Lori's welcome message.

eGroups is posting files using EDT.   Maybe Outlook or whatever you 
are using got confused (it happens to computers as well as humans) 
and just converted the time wrong.   Out of interest, did the message 
appear an hour in front / behind, or was it just by minutes?

Also, another possibility is that when posting the message, the 
date/time may be incorrectly set on the senders computer.  If the 
system Penny is using is running at the wrong time, then it could 
easily produce messages out of time order.

Just some suggestions. 

Nick.





From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 16:13:38 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:13:38 -0000
Subject: Chat Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <39A836D9.23D0676B@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8obeni+4mod@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 272

> My suggestion is that a group of 5-10 of us try out the egroups 
chat for half an hour or so and then report in to the main group at 
Yahoo. 

Sounds a good idea.  Count me in... think I can run both chats at the 
same time (thanks to Cheeta).   Will give it a go at least.

So... what time is chat these days... 7pm BST, 8pm BST I get confused.

Nick
England - British Summer Time.





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 16:15:49 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:15:49 -0000
Subject: Goats (OT)
In-Reply-To: <005201c0103c$993910f0$8971023e@SHASTA>
Message-ID: <8oberl+mc27@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 273

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Aberforth's Goat" 
> 
> Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
> http://profiles.yahoo.com/aberforths_goat
> ------------------------------------

Way to goat, Mike&Susan!  

Maganimal [scoff] - I love it.  You're a cheeky little devil and no 
mistake, and you have the cloven hooves and goatee beard to prove 
it. 

Hmmm, this is getting megaseriously off topic, and 'off with the 
fairies' - sorry folks!  

Neil




From linsenma at hic.net  Sun Aug 27 16:28:31 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:28:31 -0500
Subject: Another egroups techie question
References: <8obei2+8056@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A941AF.D56E603B@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 274

Hi --

Nick Mitchell wrote:

> eGroups is posting files using EDT.   Maybe Outlook or whatever you
> are using got confused (it happens to computers as well as humans)
> and just converted the time wrong.   Out of interest, did the message
> appear an hour in front / behind, or was it just by minutes?

They are out of order in my computer too (but have been for ages).

> Also, another possibility is that when posting the message, the
> date/time may be incorrectly set on the senders computer.  If the
> system Penny is using is running at the wrong time, then it could
> easily produce messages out of time order.

Yikes!  Is this because I'm the list owner?  Since things appear in my
inbox with clearly incorrect times, I've wondered if there was something
wrong with my computer.  It hadn't bothered me enough to really explore
the problem much though.  My computer clock is more or less correct (it
gains or loses time sometimes but is generally within 10 minutes of
being correct).  Is there some setting I should check on my computer?
I'd hate to think I'm inadvertently causing problems for the entire
group.

I'll be in the chatroom later this afternoon, so maybe someone can tell
me then.  Nick, as far as I know the chat is still 8:00 BST (which makes
it 3:00 EST, 2:00 CST, 1:00 MST and 12:00 (noon) on the West coast).  I
will try to first log on to the egroups chat & see if there's anything
going on there.  If not, I'll head over to Yahoo.

Penny



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From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 16:20:02 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (badgers' kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:20:02 -0000
Subject: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
In-Reply-To: <v02140b1fb5cef6e582c5@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8obf3i+hgtg@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 275

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:
, but I'm planning to at some point refer to wizard 
contraception...something that either person would wear around their 
neck or wrist  or something.
> 
> Lori


Um...do you really think THATS the right way?! <VBG>  

Is that what Harry and Allegra did?  No wonder I suspect that it 
didn't work!


Hail Hufflepuff!
the Badgers' Kin





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 16:23:39 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:23:39 -0000
Subject: Chat Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <8obeni+4mod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8obfab+dlco@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 276

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Nick Mitchell" <nick at n...> wrote:
> > My suggestion is that a group of 5-10 of us try out the egroups 
> chat for half an hour or so and then report in to the main group at 
> Yahoo. 
> 
> Sounds a good idea.  Count me in... think I can run both chats at 
the same time (thanks to Cheeta).   Will give it a go at least.
> 
> So... what time is chat these days... 7pm BST, 8pm BST I get 
confused.

I'm at work for the rest of the day finishing off some things [in the 
office on a Sunday? Yes, I *am* crazy], the plus side of which is 
that I get to use our leased line for the HP chat and save on my 
domestic phone bill.

I will try to join in the egroups chat as well, but it may be closer 
to 9pm BST before I'm done with my work, so you may have tested it 
and decided it's crap by then <g>.  Is there a fixed plan?

Neil





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sun Aug 27 16:27:04 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:27:04 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
References: <a9.a533964.26d9faac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39A94158.6CDB9976@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 277



DsSweetestAngel at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/26/00 10:58:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> brooksar at indy.net writes:
>
> << Then why didn't Harry catch a hint of them screaming  "YOU !! STAY
>  WAY FROM MY EGGS"?
>   >>
> I'm not quite sure about this theory but if you think about it, every time,
> well almost, the thing was obviously a snake and that screamed at his
> parseltounge instict of what they were saying, maybe faced with a dragon
> which in harry's mind isn't a snake he fought the instict to inturpet

I'm now wondering, if they speak parseltongue, then Harry should've also been
able to understand Norbert - unless that gets explained by saying that Norbert
was so young he hadn't learned to talk yet.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 16:30:40 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:30:40 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question
References: <8obei2+8056@eGroups.com> <39A941AF.D56E603B@hic.net>
Message-ID: <019301c01044$24098c80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 278

Penny, and general.  Here's an idea.  Download from cnet a program that attaches an atomic clock to your system time.

I also had to switch my options from receiving LIFO to FIFO, because they were coming in backwards.....  so I read the oldest message first.    

Hope this helps?

Dee:)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:28 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question


  Hi --

  Nick Mitchell wrote:

  > eGroups is posting files using EDT.   Maybe Outlook or whatever you
  > are using got confused (it happens to computers as well as humans)
  > and just converted the time wrong.   Out of interest, did the message
  > appear an hour in front / behind, or was it just by minutes?

  They are out of order in my computer too (but have been for ages).

  > Also, another possibility is that when posting the message, the
  > date/time may be incorrectly set on the senders computer.  If the
  > system Penny is using is running at the wrong time, then it could
  > easily produce messages out of time order.

  Yikes!  Is this because I'm the list owner?  Since things appear in my
  inbox with clearly incorrect times, I've wondered if there was something
  wrong with my computer.  It hadn't bothered me enough to really explore
  the problem much though.  My computer clock is more or less correct (it
  gains or loses time sometimes but is generally within 10 minutes of
  being correct).  Is there some setting I should check on my computer?
  I'd hate to think I'm inadvertently causing problems for the entire
  group.

  I'll be in the chatroom later this afternoon, so maybe someone can tell
  me then.  Nick, as far as I know the chat is still 8:00 BST (which makes
  it 3:00 EST, 2:00 CST, 1:00 MST and 12:00 (noon) on the West coast).  I
  will try to first log on to the egroups chat & see if there's anything
  going on there.  If not, I'll head over to Yahoo.

  Penny



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From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 16:41:48 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:41:48 -0000
Subject: Wizard Contraception (was Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age)))
In-Reply-To: <8obf3i+hgtg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8obgcc+dtmq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 279

Hello:

> Is that what Harry and Allegra did?  No wonder I suspect that it 
> didn't work!

*cannot coherently reply to this statement, as a disturbing image has 
just entered her head...*

*cue scary, wavelike dream-sequence music*

*

Allegra's ruby-red lips curled in what could only be considered an 
evil smirk.  "Potter, you may not realize it, but you've managed to 
contribute considerably to your own downfall."

"And whatever could that be, Bitch Goddess?" Harry asked, trying to 
muffle his curiosity with derision.

A small snort was the only audible response as Allegra turned to her 
flunkies.  "Boys, bring it out, would you?"

Two hulking, grunting figures Disapparated, only to reappear moments 
later; one now held a small bundle.  "Here ya go," he said, 
unceremoniously forking the package to Allegra.

The smirk remained.  "Why don't you come have a look-see, Potter?"

Harry felt the grip that had been kept on him loosen; reluctantly, he 
stepped forward, dreading what he would find.

Allegra peeled back the blankets to reveal a terrifying 
sight.  "Lovely, isn't it?"

Harry didn't reply, as he had passed out cold on the floor.

Shrugging, Allegra bounced the black pleather-clad child in her 
arms.  "Sweetie, I don't think Daddy was very happy to see you."  

A small sneer appeared on the tiny face.

*

All right, you can ignore everything I've just written.  Chalk this 
bizarre behavior up to the fact that I'm actually posting at a 
reasonable hour for once.

As I think I've just basically done a complete injustice to "PoU", 
I'll pay homage to Lori in my .txt signature.

*
--Alicia/Sue "Haircolor Chameleon" Spinnet

"Ever notice that 'what the hell' is usually the right decision?"

Last Movie Seen: "Elizabeth"
Discman's Spinning: "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack
Current Book: "She's Come Undone", Wally Lamb
*





From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 16:46:23 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (Badgers' Kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:46:23 -0000
Subject: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings
In-Reply-To: <39A94158.6CDB9976@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <8obgkv+efnn@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 280

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, heidi <heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> 
wrote:
> 

> I'm now wondering, if they speak parseltongue, then Harry should've 
also been
> able to understand Norbert - unless that gets explained by saying 
that Norbert
> was so young he hadn't learned to talk yet.



It was late last night when I began this thread - I didn't really 
intend to say that dragons did, IN FACT, speak parseltongue, I was 
only pointing out that the way JKR seems to be using the term 
*basilisk*, as well as the muggle and mythological definitions of
that 
term, lead me to muse about the possibility that dragons MIGHT also 
speak/understand parseltongue.

I am not convinced that dragons speak parseltongue in JKR's world.  I 
am convinced that in other worlds, dragons are very wise and magical 
creatures and probably not only speak parseltongue, but are magically 
multilingual - on par with Barty Crouch, I would think, speaking all 
manner of tongues and dialects.


But since we *are* in JKR's world, there is no indication that
dragons 
 speak parseltongue.  It is clear, however, that both basilisks *and* 
snakes speak parseltongue in JKR's world.


Hail Hufflepuff!!
the Badgers' Kin




From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 16:50:51 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (Badgers' Kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:50:51 -0000
Subject: Another egroups techie question
In-Reply-To: <019301c01044$24098c80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8obgtb+4p3b@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 281

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:

> I also had to switch my options from receiving LIFO to FIFO,
because 
they were coming in backwards.....  so I read the oldest message 
first.    
> 


Yeah, that's how mine is too - how do I switch? (Sorry, I'm 
technically challenged...)


Badgers' Kin




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sun Aug 27 16:09:51 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:09:51 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Lupin on the Train (was Re: Dumbledore, Head of    House, Portkeys)
References: <8oa46b+n1hm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A93D4F.E16EEB1F@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 282

Joywitch wrote:

> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rita Winston wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, Peg Kerr: author of Please Don't Eat the Daisies?
> > >
> >
> > :-) no, that's Jean Kerr, I think, but I have had a couple of books
> > published.  (See my webpage for further info if you're interested.)
> >
>
> Hey You Muggles - We have a GEN-U-INE published sci-fi author in our
> group.  Cool!!!!!  I will read your books Peg, ASAP.  Where do you
> recommend I purchase them?

Well, I've spent part of yesterday reading Blaise's stories on
fanfiction.net, so I know that I'm not the only writer in this group.
(Please don't believe the only genuine writers are published ones!)

I have no idea where you're located. You can get my two books at any
bookstore, if you're in the U.S.--try the fantasy fiction section.  (I
believe you can get them in Canada too.)  _Emerald House Rising_ has been
out for three years.  Amazon.com says it's out of print, but I don't believe
that's true.  If it isn't on the shelf, ask the clerk and they can order it
for you.

_The Wild Swans_ should also be on the shelf in local bookstores; it's a
trade paperback and came out in 1999.

 If you're in the U.S., and you'd like to order off the Internet, why not
try www.booksense.com.  That's the website for independent booksellers.
Enter your zip code and the nearest independent bookstore in their network
will ship you the book.  A good site to bookmark to help promote independent
bookstores.

You can also Internet order through bn.com and amazon.com (though, as I
said, not for _Emerald House Rising_ on the latter).

The books are both fantasy, although I've written science fiction short
stories.

Peg




From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 16:56:11 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:56:11 -0000
Subject: JKR experience
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000827135340.006edb80@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8obh7b+ab9b@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 283

> I think the report and some of the pics are still on Nick's site at
> http://www.broomsticks.com (I think that's the URL).  

Due to problems with servers... the sites out of action for the 
foreseeable future.

I've uploaded the Special Report to:
http://www.dvd-films.freeuk.com/special/

so you can all see what Neil and I got up to on 8th July 2000.

Nick





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 16:55:32 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:55:32 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question
References: <8obgtb+4p3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01bb01c01047$9d3cbde0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 284

Last few messages I have received have been mixed up too, despite my clicking the receive button (and double checking that it has not changed...); I wonder if perhaps egroups is getting alot of traffic, and the Yahoo daemons are moving their homes due to the merger?    

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Badgers' Kin 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:50 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:

  > I also had to switch my options from receiving LIFO to FIFO,
  because 
  they were coming in backwards.....  so I read the oldest message 
  first.    
  > 


  Yeah, that's how mine is too - how do I switch? (Sorry, I'm 
  technically challenged...)


  Badgers' Kin


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From linsenma at hic.net  Sun Aug 27 17:07:08 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:07:08 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question
References: <8obgtb+4p3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A94ABC.80B59686@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 285

Hi --

Badgers' Kin wrote:

> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
>
> > I also had to switch my options from receiving LIFO to FIFO,
> because
> they were coming in backwards.....  so I read the oldest message
> first.
> >
>
> Yeah, that's how mine is too - how do I switch? (Sorry, I'm
> technically challenged...)

I'm just as technically challenged (if not more so).  I could use the
instruction on how to make this change.  I checked all Preferences in my
email program (Netscape), and it's just not there.  Help!

Penny



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From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 17:00:49 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:00:49 -0000
Subject: Another egroups techie question
In-Reply-To: <019301c01044$24098c80$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8obhg1+5etm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 286

>   Yikes!  Is this because I'm the list owner?  Since things appear 
in my inbox with clearly incorrect times, I've wondered if there was 
something wrong with my computer.  It hadn't bothered me enough to 
really explore the problem much though.  My computer clock is more or 
less correct (it gains or loses time sometimes but is generally 
within 10 minutes of being correct).  Is there some setting I should 
check on my computer?

Sounds fine then Penny.  Though if your computer is 10 mins behind, 
and if the message concerned was 10 mins behind... then that would 
explain things.

>   I'd hate to think I'm inadvertently causing problems for the 
entire group.

Doesn't bother me... I just read the messages as they come.

Nick 
--About to get dinner before chat time --




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sun Aug 27 17:06:14 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:06:14 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] OT - Emerald House Rising
References: <8oa46b+n1hm@eGroups.com> <39A93D4F.E16EEB1F@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <39A94A86.5F2CB91F@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 287



Peg Kerr wrote:

>
> I have no idea where you're located. You can get my two books at any
> bookstore, if you're in the U.S.--try the fantasy fiction section.  (I
> believe you can get them in Canada too.)  _Emerald House Rising_ has been
> out for three years.  Amazon.com says it's out of print, but I don't believe
> that's true.  If it isn't on the shelf, ask the clerk and they can order it
> for you.

I have to go OT for a minute, and recommend Emerald House Rising, which is one
of the best books my husband has ever talked me into reading. I am overwhelmed
that I am on the same list as Peg Kerr, in part because I so enjoyed this book,
and in part because it gives more proof to the universe, as if it was even
necessary, that adults who read HP books are a really terrific group of people.

Peg - very very very glad to see you here.




From christine at oswell.com  Sun Aug 27 17:12:26 2000
From: christine at oswell.com (christine)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:12:26 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question
In-Reply-To: <01bb01c01047$9d3cbde0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
References: <8obgtb+4p3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000827100852.00b4a2a0@mail.oswell.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 288

At 09:55 AM 8/27/00, you wrote:

>Last few messages I have received have been mixed up too, despite my 
>clicking the receive button (and double checking that it has not 
>changed...); I wonder if perhaps egroups is getting alot of traffic, and 
>the Yahoo daemons are moving their homes due to the merger?

I hate to be the voice of negativity, but egroups has almost as many 
problems as yahoo.  Messages frequently come out of order, servers go down 
about once a month.  It is a definite improvement over yahoo, but still not 
infallible.  I think it might be related to the amount of traffic - the 
groups I've been on that average over 100 messages a day are more prone to 
message delays than those only averaging 20.

Christine




From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 17:09:57 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:09:57 -0000
Subject: Chat Time
Message-ID: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 289

Hi Penny and all

I've added Chat Time to the callendar
http://www.egroups.com/calendar/HPforGrownups

With luck it might work correctly.   For me it says chat is at 8pm
though I'm not sure if it knows about BST or not - so this may be 8pm 
GMT.

Please try it... does it display the correct time for your particular 
time zone.  If not, let me know so it can be changed and hour+ or - 
whichever is the case.

Nick




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 17:11:01 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:11:01 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question
References: <8obgtb+4p3b@eGroups.com> <39A94ABC.80B59686@hic.net>
Message-ID: <01cf01c01049$c76de920$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 290

Ok, here goes.

For Outlook Express:

    You go to the main screen.  See the four windows (at least on mine?LOL), the top one which says FROM SUBJECT RECEIVED.

    Which one has the triangle on it?  That determines which element affects how your messages are displayed.  Mine has the little triangle, pointing upwards, by received.  This means, using the HP4GU club emails as examples, that 8-23 is listed on the top of the list, while today's mail, 8-27 is on the bottom.  Usually this is enough to make things queue properly (BTW, thanks for helping me with the proper spelling of that word--I have always loved it since I learned about it in Phantom of the Opera, but that's off-topic).

Now for you Yahoo fans, it's a bit harder.
Go to the main page, where the frames offers you the choice CHECK MAIL, COMPOSE, FOLDERS, ADDRESSES, SEARCH, OPTIONS, HELP DESK, SIGN OUT, and etc... Choose Options.  Now go to MAIL PREFERENCES.

    Scroll down half the page until just after the colors option (where you can add purple to your page, yah, kewl!).  There's a colored bar horizontally across the page, then MESSAGE ORDERING.  Choose Ascending, and "dot" it.  There.  Now scroll down and click SAVE.  ALL DONE!  :)

The other mail services (Regular Outlook, anything with the wacky Netscape, Eudora) I can't help you with, no experience.

I HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!  I use email option on all my clubs, and I put these in place right after I signed up, when I discovered I was confusing myself.

GOOD LUCK!
:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question


  Hi --

  Badgers' Kin wrote:

  > --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
  >
  > > I also had to switch my options from receiving LIFO to FIFO,
  > because
  > they were coming in backwards.....  so I read the oldest message
  > first.
  > >
  >
  > Yeah, that's how mine is too - how do I switch? (Sorry, I'm
  > technically challenged...)

  I'm just as technically challenged (if not more so).  I could use the
  instruction on how to make this change.  I checked all Preferences in my
  email program (Netscape), and it's just not there.  Help!

  Penny



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From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 17:14:25 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:14:25 -0000
Subject: Another egroups techie question
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000827100852.00b4a2a0@mail.oswell.com>
Message-ID: <8obi9h+28lt@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 291

Is it worth us having our own server?

Most of what Egroups and Yahoo does, we can implement on our own 
virtual server... quite a few of us here know a bit about HTML, PHP, 
PERL etc, so it is possible if we put our creative minds to it.

I wonder what domain names are available!

Anyone fancy the idea of having our own system to play with?  One 
down side I can see is that you could not send mail in - like you can 
with eGroups, but you could use Web Mail.   Unless of course we 
invested in a ListServe.

Hmm... maybe going a bit far... better to wait to see how eGroups 
holds out - you never know, Yahoo and Egroups may improve a lot after 
the merger.

Nick.





From nick at nicmit.com  Sun Aug 27 17:16:07 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:16:07 -0000
Subject: Another egroups techie question
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000827100852.00b4a2a0@mail.oswell.com>
Message-ID: <8obicn+l66v@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 292

Using the Web Mail reader in eGroups...

How can you list messages in reverse date order - ie. newest first.

Thanks for any suggestions, I can't find a way to do it.

Nick




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 17:13:47 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:13:47 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat Time
References: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01e101c0104a$2a7f8b40$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 293

Nick, checking now...It's opening the page.
I get 4:00pm-6:00pm:  Chat Time with a little swirly thing at the end.  I am eastern, btw....

:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Mitchell 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:09 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat Time


  Hi Penny and all

  I've added Chat Time to the callendar
  http://www.egroups.com/calendar/HPforGrownups

  With luck it might work correctly.   For me it says chat is at 8pm
  though I'm not sure if it knows about BST or not - so this may be 8pm 
  GMT.

  Please try it... does it display the correct time for your particular 
  time zone.  If not, let me know so it can be changed and hour+ or - 
  whichever is the case.

  Nick


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 17:21:48 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:21:48 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat Time
References: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01f401c0104b$49261cc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 294

>>You have joined HPforGrownups
gypsycaine (in red on my screen):  (In neon blue) Four colors? (aka black, red, green, and blue)
gypsycaine: ack.
gypsycaine: and nothing showing up yet onscreen.
recla: (in putrid green)Hi, was just playing around to see what this was compared to Yahoo.
gypsycaine: same here.  Just got Nick's emial (spelled wrong originally, lol) and decided to play.
gypsycaine: There's a bit of lag.
gypsycaine:  about 30 second delay, even with cable.
recla: Yes, I think I like Yahoo Better :-(
recla: laughs out loud
gypsycaine: I am going to copy my comments over to an post.
recla: chuckles in amusement
recla: agrees wholeheartedly
recla: Playing with Emotions.. buttons.. excuse me
recla:  Gawd, I hate the time delay !! ARRGGGHHH!!
recla: left the room

and so did I!!! Ack.  I hate it!  It's worst than yahoo when I first chatted on them back in 97!

Will be Cheetaing in Yahoo, avoiding egroups chat at all costs!

LOL
Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Mitchell 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:09 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat Time


  Hi Penny and all

  I've added Chat Time to the callendar
  http://www.egroups.com/calendar/HPforGrownups

  With luck it might work correctly.   For me it says chat is at 8pm
  though I'm not sure if it knows about BST or not - so this may be 8pm 
  GMT.

  Please try it... does it display the correct time for your particular 
  time zone.  If not, let me know so it can be changed and hour+ or - 
  whichever is the case.

  Nick


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  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com





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From recla at magick.net  Sun Aug 27 17:30:29 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Prof.  Dumbledore)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:30:29 -0000
Subject: Chat time on Calender
Message-ID: <8obj7l+2bmm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 295

Mine says it's 1-3pm Pacific Time.
  
Umm lets see subtract 8 hours from BST time... 






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 17:30:24 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:30:24 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat Time (example)
References: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com> <01f401c0104b$49261cc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <021001c0104c$7c555560$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 296

Oh, btw, when I checked online, it ran the whole chat into one big paragraph, but when it was emailed, it stayed just in little columns like a chat should be.  Remind me not to do that again?

LOL.  Except for our chats via Cheeta Chat.  Which reminds me.  I will get those, cut and paste, and plop them up on the egroup now!
    
Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Denise 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Chat Time


  >>You have joined HPforGrownups
  gypsycaine (in red on my screen):  (In neon blue) Four colors? (aka black, red, green, and blue)
  gypsycaine: ack.
  gypsycaine: and nothing showing up yet onscreen.
  recla: (in putrid green)Hi, was just playing around to see what this was compared to Yahoo.
  gypsycaine: same here.  Just got Nick's emial (spelled wrong originally, lol) and decided to play.
  gypsycaine: There's a bit of lag.
  gypsycaine:  about 30 second delay, even with cable.
  recla: Yes, I think I like Yahoo Better :-(
  recla: laughs out loud
  gypsycaine: I am going to copy my comments over to an post.
  recla: chuckles in amusement
  recla: agrees wholeheartedly
  recla: Playing with Emotions.. buttons.. excuse me
  recla:  Gawd, I hate the time delay !! ARRGGGHHH!!
  recla: left the room

  and so did I!!! Ack.  I hate it!  It's worst than yahoo when I first chatted on them back in 97!

  Will be Cheetaing in Yahoo, avoiding egroups chat at all costs!

  LOL
  Dee
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Nick Mitchell 
    To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:09 PM
    Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat Time


    Hi Penny and all

    I've added Chat Time to the callendar
    http://www.egroups.com/calendar/HPforGrownups

    With luck it might work correctly.   For me it says chat is at 8pm
    though I'm not sure if it knows about BST or not - so this may be 8pm 
    GMT.

    Please try it... does it display the correct time for your particular 
    time zone.  If not, let me know so it can be changed and hour+ or - 
    whichever is the case.

    Nick


    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com





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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 17:55:10 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:55:10 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat 8-13-00 Using Cheetachat.
References: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com> <01f401c0104b$49261cc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <022801c0104f$f790d9e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 297

Just a note, that strange C means the person is using Cheetachat.  It recognizes it's own!  :)

Dee



(This is also a test to see how much (how long) one message is allowed to be before it truncates it like yahoo does!)



Connecting...

Connected! Sending login information...

Your buddy angeliquestill is on pager

Your buddy awintersky is on pager

Your buddy goddess_of_love6969 is on pager

Your buddy melanie_050269 is on pager

Your buddy piter_bishop is on pager

Harry Potter for Grown Ups

You see here:

jenP_97,gypsycaine

jenP_97 says, "Hiya, Dee. "

? gypsycaine says, "hi."

? gypsycaine says, "just setting up before folks arrive."

jenP_97 says, "ah."

? gypsycaine says, "I think I have voice chat working."

? gypsycaine crosses her fingers.

jenP_97 says, "yeah? My husband and I did it yesterday..."

jenP_97 says, "no... Friday"

jenP_97 says, "(er, voice chat, that is... hehehe)"

jenP_97 says, "worked fine."

? gypsycaine says, "i am using cheeta, tho."

jenP_97 leaves

? gypsycaine says, "it's a bit different."

jenP_97 enters

gypsycaine : /\ /\

gypsycaine : \ _____\

gypsycaine : (_)--(_)

gypsycaine : Puts on her sunglasses for high colors

jenP_97 says, "hmmm... sorry."

? gypsycaine says, "wb"

jenP_97 says, "I guess resizing the window logs me out."

? gypsycaine says, "that's not kewl."

? gypsycaine says, "are you using plain yahoo?"

gypsycaine : /\ /\ 

gypsycaine : ((oVo)) 

gypsycaine : ()::) 

gypsycaine : VVV WHOOOO.....WHOOOOO

jenP_97 says, "yep."

? gypsycaine says, "O I like that one>.lol."

? gypsycaine says, "perfect for us."

? gypsycaine says, ""

jenP_97 says, "so what are you using?"

? gypsycaine says, "www.cheetachat.com"

jenP_97 says, "oh yeah. does the voice work for that?"

? gypsycaine says, "don't know yet."

? gypsycaine says, "last time i tried, i got a pevert on it..."

? gypsycaine says, "i killed it."

jenP_97 says, "I'm trying to set it up again - it was on before I resized..."

jenP_97 says, "but it's having trouble connecting."

? gypsycaine nods...

? gypsycaine says, "I am playing music from camelot, so I killed mine."

? gypsycaine says, "*muted mike*"

jenP_97 says, "ah..."

jenP_97 says, "I hear my husband playing Rush in the living room."

? gypsycaine says, "if you want, i can test it on you when i finally get richard harris done playing..(that's what I waiting for on napster)"

jenP_97 says, "sure."

jenP_97 says, "I downloaded the HP audio books (well, 1 &2 and parts of 3) from napster at my sister in law's house..."

jenP_97 says, "cable modem, ya know. it's useless to do it on a regular modem."

? gypsycaine says, "it's a cheap way of getting them."

? gypsycaine says, "i have cable."

? gypsycaine says, "that's why i have cheeta....grins."

jenP_97 says, "we decided not to even pay for cable tv."

jenP_97 says, "cable modem's not available here yet."

? gypsycaine says, "no?"

? gypsycaine says, "ah"

? gypsycaine says, "i highly rec it, but then again, I love dl'ing."

jenP_97 says, "cable tv in porterville is 25 channels, 5 of which are religious."

? gypsycaine says, "i am a cobol programmer, and as400."

? gypsycaine says, "oh ack."

catlady_de_los_angeles enters

? gypsycaine says, "i would go nuts."

jenP_97 says, "no food tv, no a&e, no nothing."

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hello. Meow"

jenP_97 says, "hi!"

? gypsycaine says, "hi cat!"

? gypsycaine says, "i haven't any patience with the christian networks, either."

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, Jen, Hi, Dee, I meant to have Tim download Cheetachat for me yesterday but he did't get around to it."

? gypsycaine says, "click here: www.cheetachat.com"

? gypsycaine says, ""

jenP_97 says, "I'm going to re-login and see if voice starts working again for me. brb"

? gypsycaine says, "i could hear RIchard as Dumbledore, now that I am listening."

jenP_97 leaves

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I'm an idiot with PCs (I only know mainframes)"

? gypsycaine says, "click on the link.."

? gypsycaine says, "it'll take you to cheeta, dl'ing is easy."

? gypsycaine says, "it's user friendly."

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Can I download it and just start using it or have to erstart PC?"

? gypsycaine says, "then remember this part."

? gypsycaine says, "not certain, but we have twenty minutes before chat officially starts."

? gypsycaine says, ""

jenP_97 enters

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "okay, I wil ltry dowmload"

jenP_97 says, "okay, it says that voice is working now."

"awintersky is now away."

Your buddy awintersky has gone off pager

"angeliquestill is back."

? gypsycaine says, "Jen, i will test.. tell me if you hear music."

jenP_97 says, "you tell me when I *should* have heard it."

? gypsycaine says, "anything?"

jenP_97 says, "no, but a pm message came up saying that I was going to type "bonjour" to some person I don't know..."

jenP_97 says, "*that* was strange."

? gypsycaine says, "i only see me in my voice list. "

jenP_97 says, "(hm. pm message. sort of redundant like atm machine)"

jenP_97 says, "okay, let me test. I'll say something. You tell me if you hear it."

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "bye-bye a moment, it says to cloase all other applications"

catlady_de_los_angeles leaves

jenP_97 says, "hear that?"

? gypsycaine says, "nothing."

jenP_97 says, "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

? gypsycaine says, "i wonder if cheeta's talk isn't compatible with yahoo's?"

jenP_97 says, "I don't know."

jenP_97 says, "that would figure. "

? gypsycaine says, "well, go get cheeta!"

? gypsycaine says, "grins."

jenP_97 says, "haha."

? gypsycaine says, "cat's going now."

jenP_97 says, "how long will it take for me to download? A million years?"

? gypsycaine says, "takes me half a minute."

jenP_97 says, "well, YOU. "

? gypsycaine says, "www.cheeta.com"

jenP_97 says, "why can't you do plain yahoo?"

jenP_97 says, "(hehehe)"

? gypsycaine says, "'cause cat went to install her cheeta."

? gypsycaine says, "i don't want her to feel alone, when i talked her into it!"

jenP_97 says, "hehe"

? gypsycaine says, "this look any better?"

gypsycaine . o O ( one advantage of cheeta...the fades. )

jenP_97 says, "weird."

? gypsycaine says, "my fade is weird?"

? gypsycaine says, "perhaps I should have chosen scarlet instead?"

? gypsycaine says, "grins."

? gypsycaine tosses a colon up there.

gypsycaine : ~, .-. ^^

gypsycaine : /| -= ( ) =- ^^

gypsycaine : ~^~ /_|\ ^~~-^~~-sunrise on a new day

gypsycaine : ~^~ ~^~^~^~^ sunset on the old 

jenP_97 says, "does that work hehere?"

? gypsycaine says, "does what work here?"

jenP_97 says, "(emoting, that is)"

gypsycaine bounces around.

gypsycaine bonks herself on the head.

gypsycaine blushes in embarassment.

gypsycaine goes "BLEAH".

jenP_97 says, "huh."

gypsycaine beams.

gypsycaine arches her back.

gypsycaine apologizes.

gypsycaine arches her back.

jenP_97 says, "interesting."

gypsycaine pokes herself in the ribs with a bone-crushing sound.

gypsycaine slams her hand on the table and yells "DOMINO!".

gypsycaine folds her arms across her chest.

gypsycaine meditates.

gypsycaine objects poignantly.

gypsycaine putzes around.

? gypsycaine says, "i like that one...grins."

? gypsycaine says, "got one for neil when he comes in...."

gypsycaine gives a crisp military salute.

gypsycaine kisses and hugs

gypsycaine Yahoo!s loudly.

gypsycaine yahoos.

gypsycaine :??---(?`???)---??

gypsycaine :sssss `? . ?`

gypsycaine : I Love EVERYONE

catlady_de_los_angeles enters

? gypsycaine says, "wb!!!!"

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "me again. I did the download, logged on , and found myself in a strange room apparently named Gen X. ???"

? gypsycaine says, "it's the traditional room."

? gypsycaine says, "sorta the lets start everyone out in here."

? gypsycaine says, "you want to know how to get to your clubs in cheeta?"

jenP_97 says, "hmm. Looks like it's going to take 30 minutes for me. I'd better save it for next week."

catlady_de_los_angeles says, "you changed from pink to green. Tell me how to get to here from cheetah"

? gypsycaine says, "on the top bar is CHAT// WHO'S ONLINE //ROOMS//LINKS"

? gypsycaine says, "click on rooms."

? gypsycaine says, "Then choose My clubs."

? gypsycaine says, "it should bring a list of your clubs under that name."

? gypsycaine says, "to blend is cinchy too, but i will let that wait until you get cheeta running."

catlady_de_los_angeles leaves

jenP_97 says, "maybe someone else who joins us will be running regular yahoo voice chat. "

? gypsycaine crosses her fingers.

catlady_de_los_angeles enters

catlady_de_los_angeles leaves

? gypsycaine says, "you didn't hear that, did you?"

jenP_97 says, "no."

jenP_97 says, "darnit!"

? gypsycaine says, "and poor catlady keeps leaving for some reason."

jenP_97 says, "I'll be right back - I'm going to get some lunch."

? gypsycaine says, "ok."

? gypsycaine says, "i rec dling while you are in chat, btw."

? gypsycaine says, "it doesn't interfere with anything."

jenP_97 says, "sure."

catlady_de_los_angeles enters

? gypsycaine says, "hey, she's back..."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, it's been an adventure "

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I still have to learn colors"

? gypsycaine says, "are you official now?"

? gypsycaine says, "there's a palete on the bar."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "color fade, color change"

dee_97527 enters

? gypsycaine says, "sorry, told my best friend i was in chat, so she has to im me to death."

? gypsycaine says, "she knows better...sighs."

dee_97527 says, "Howdy"

jenP_97 says, "woohoo! someone else using yahoo voice! "

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, do I remember that you are Dianne?"

dee_97527 says, "Yes, but without the "e""

sammie_dd enters

? gypsycaine says, "i created this just for neil."

? gypsycaine says, "whatcha think?"

jenP_97 says, "ouch"

? gypsycaine says, "did you catch that, or should i repeat?"

jenP_97 says, "I think he'll love it."

? gypsycaine says, "hi Diann"

Your buddy melanie_050269 has gone off pager

jenP_97 says, "Hi, Diann"

? gypsycaine says, "cat, click on CHAT, then go down to talk."

? gypsycaine says, ""Voice chat""

Your buddy katerinaugusta is on pager

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I can read the yellow (on my sony trinitron monitor) but it is not easy, can you add more orange to it?"

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

? gypsycaine says, "oh, i wasn't going to keep it."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Can you explain color fade to me? I seem to be an idiot"

? gypsycaine says, "i was just going to annoy neil with it."

? gypsycaine says, "when you click the palete, it'll bring up a program."

Your buddy katerinaugusta leaves chat

? gypsycaine says, "there are three slidey things that you can slide to change color."

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Well, if Neil is going to use Gryffindor red, it's only for the next Gryffindor to logon to use Gryff gold."

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

? gypsycaine says, "if you turn on voice i can verbally guide you."

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

jenP_97 says, "hmmm... I'll just stick to Ravenclaw black, then. "

Your buddy bigeagle75 is on pager

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

? gypsycaine says, "i am ravenclaw."

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

? gypsycaine says, "see my nice green?"

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

Your buddy katerinaugusta leaves chat

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Ravenclaw blue! (and bronze, alas. I preferred silver"

jenP_97 says, "I thought it was black - didn't it say black in SS?"

dee_97527 says, "I am also a Ravenclaw"

jenP_97 says, "shoot, if I'm all mixed up, I'll be mad at myself."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Tim refuses to be a Slytherin even tho' Green is his favorite color"

? gypsycaine says, "lol..."

jenP_97 says, "oh well. I'll stick with black anyway."

? gypsycaine says, "i like the green in my i in nice."

? gypsycaine says, ""

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Black is the school color, red (& gold) for Gryff, Blue (&bronze) for Rav, Green (&silver)for Sly, yellow (&black) for Huff "

? gypsycaine says, "i feel all alone in my little box."

? gypsycaine says, ".flesym hsiugnitsid ot siht esu syawla dluoc i ,llew"

jenP_97 says, "okay."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Like my college (university) had white and gold school colors and a color for each year"

jenP_97 says, "very distinguishing indeed, dee."

? gypsycaine says, "!seveeP ma I ,kooL ,yeH"

? gypsycaine says, "?$?V??p ???m $?hT $? ??"

? gypsycaine says, "?k. ???K t? F??w??d$ ?g???."

jenP_97 says, "very strange."

? gypsycaine says, "??d ? ?$$?m? Th?t ??t??d? h?$ d?$??v???d th? Tw? ??tT??$ F?? tH?$? Tw?."

? gypsycaine says, "TH?? tH?r?'$ th??."

? gypsycaine says, "MoRe PEeVeS StYlInG."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I saw the button for Screwed Text, oh, and backwards text, and alternatve CaPs"

? gypsycaine says, "??p."

? gypsycaine says, "??w w? ???d ??? ??T? v????."

? gypsycaine says, "g???$."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I haven't seen one for Fonts"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I haven't seen the button for VOice"

? gypsycaine says, "th?t'$ P????? ??d?? P??F??????$."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "No spell checker eitehr!"

? gypsycaine says, "g? t? ?H?t"

? gypsycaine says, "??p?."

? gypsycaine says, "?? $p."

? gypsycaine says, "Under CHAT is the opinion Voice Chat."

sammie_dd is away (Auto-Away)

? gypsycaine says, "Ctlr-Shift-V"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "It's installing a HearMe"

? gypsycaine says, "yep."

? gypsycaine says, "i didn't used to use it."

? gypsycaine says, "we used to be able to talk with the others."

? gypsycaine says, "let's see. Other odd things for you."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I know my PC makes noises but I don't know where to talk into it"

jenP_97 says, "so can you install a "feel me" and a "touch me" "

? gypsycaine says, "very funny!"

jenP_97 says, "(+?)"

? gypsycaine says, "very very funny."

? gypsycaine says, "one advantage of cheeta."

jenP_97 says, "oh no! I'm blind!"

? gypsycaine says, "you can use more than one color for your font."

jenP_97 says, "good thing I can touch type."

CarverWB enters

? gypsycaine says, "you can use more than one color for your font."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "If there were a Feel-Me, touch-me, can you IMAGINE how pushy the unsolicited PMs would be?"

? gypsycaine says, "LOL!"

jenP_97 says, "lol!"

? CarverWB says, "greeblings"

? gypsycaine says, "they have that, but it's not fun according to the PC Magazine I just read."

? gypsycaine says, "and i am still alone in voice...sighs."

? gypsycaine says, ""

? CarverWB says, ""

? gypsycaine takes the greeblings and runs across the room to the sofa with them, hiding them beneath the cushions.

? CarverWB says, "how do you do the fade?"

? CarverWB says, "it always alternates letters "

? gypsycaine says, "www.cheeta.com"

? CarverWB says, "when I try"

? CarverWB says, "I got the cheeta"

? gypsycaine says, "yeah, glad you're in...."

? gypsycaine says, "did you click the palete?"

? gypsycaine says, "you're faint, cat."

? gypsycaine says, "but i did hear you."

gypsycaine . o O ( well, i know you spoke...grins )

? gypsycaine says, "i heard the hi."

? CarverWB says, "pallete.. pallete.."

? CarverWB says, "<<looks for pallete>>"

? gypsycaine says, "top, near the wrench."

? gypsycaine says, "carver, come on into voice."

? gypsycaine says, ""

? CarverWB says, "lets try this first"

? gypsycaine says, "ok."

? gypsycaine says, "good luck."

? CarverWB says, "how do you turn it on"

? CarverWB says, "oooh"

? gypsycaine says, "and to make it bold, click the b."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I should be blue now?"

? CarverWB says, ""

? CarverWB says, "you are indeed blue"

? gypsycaine says, "that looks nice."

jenP_97 says, "I like that one, catlady. "

selah_1977 enters

? CarverWB says, "a show of hands... how many Jens today?"

selah_1977 says, "Hi!"

? CarverWB says, "<<raises h er hand>>"

? gypsycaine says, "hi ebony!"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "The greeblngs under the sofa cushions, are they food or creatuers?"

jenP_97 says, "me too! "

? gypsycaine says, "no idea."

jenP_97 says, "*not* Jenny, though. "

? gypsycaine says, "perhaps they are related to house elves?"

? CarverWB says, "no NOT Jenny"

selah_1977 says, "hello dee!"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, Ebony, I didn't see you come in"

? gypsycaine says, "ebony, are you using cheeta?"

selah_1977 says, "Hi Rita!"

selah_1977 says, "Cheetah?"

jenP_97 says, "nope... and she'd better not change, either, cuz I've got her on voice here. "

? gypsycaine says, "LOL!"

jenP_97 says, "don't take away ALL my compatriots!"

? gypsycaine says, "for voice using cheeta."

? gypsycaine says, "click on CHAT up in the corner..."

? gypsycaine says, "or Ctrl-Shift-V"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "txet dewercs osla dna sroloc ytfin eht sekam taht tcudorp eht si tahcateehC"

? CarverWB says, "I just got color, now voice?"

? CarverWB says, "ThEy rEaLlY HaVe sOmE WeIrD StUfF, nO?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Cheetachat is the product that makes the nifty colors and also screwed text"

? gypsycaine says, "it's it neat?"

? gypsycaine says, "i love it."

? gypsycaine says, "it'll also save the text."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "These nice people just walked me through installing it and turning on the colors"

jenP_97 mutters. Now she's going to leave because you guys are telling her how neat it is. *grumble*

? gypsycaine says, "in preferences, there is an option."

You have 6 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

? CarverWB says, "!On hO"

? CarverWB says, "!oG TnOd"

selah_1977 says, "Oh! My computer's too stupid for anything that cool, I think..."

? gypsycaine says, "my poor 266 used cheeta pretty well."

? gypsycaine says, "it just refused to do icq and cheeta at the same time."

jenP_97 says, "oh, no, other Jen. She'd just join you on Cheetachat... that what I meant by leaving. "

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I heard you --- haggis is sheep' stomach (actually that's the bag haggis is cooked in) and tripe is menudo "

? CarverWB says, "*whew*"

selah_1977 leaves

Your buddy katerinaugusta is on pager

? CarverWB says, "well, I hit cntrl-v but I dont see anything radical happening"

? gypsycaine says, "ctrl SHIFT v"

? CarverWB says, "might help ifn I had a microphone..."

dee_97527 is away (Auto-Away)

jenP_97 says, "hehehe"

? gypsycaine says, "but you can at least hear the neat comments....gris."

? gypsycaine says, "grins."

? gypsycaine says, "ok. back to my purple."

? CarverWB says, "GREEN!!"

? CarverWB says, "oops.. sorry"

? CarverWB says, "habit"

jenP_97 says, "uh oh. baby woke up."

? gypsycaine says, "ok ok. just to be mean i will go to this!"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Well, we should each have a different color."

jenP_97 says, ""

? CarverWB says, "<<puts on her sunglasses>>"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Which might be blinding, but will at least be distinct"

? gypsycaine says, "that's true."

? gypsycaine says, "i like my purples."

dee_97527 leaves

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I still think that yellow blend needs more orange in it"

? gypsycaine says, "i will get it just right soon here."

? CarverWB says, "lets discuss : Contrast"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Huh? What is contrast?"

? gypsycaine says, "that better?"

jenP_97 says, "how about red?"

? gypsycaine says, "ick"

? CarverWB says, "hehehehehe"

You have 7 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

jenP_97 says, "orange?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "incidentally, I love the purple -- my second favorite color "

jenP_97 says, "pink?"

jenP_97 says, "blue?"

jenP_97 says, "too much blue. I think I'll go back to..."

? CarverWB says, "we *are* a colorful group"

jenP_97 says, "black."

jenP_97 says, ""

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Jen, nothing wrong with Gryffindor red, but the orange and pink need to be bold faced"

jenP_97 says, "how about this, then?"

jenP_97 says, "er, shoot."

You have 8 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

jenP_97 says, "this."

jenP_97 says, "nah... it's still too light."

? CarverWB says, "has anyone seen wb store selling ravenclaw t's for adults?"

jenP_97 says, "I'll just be distinctive with italics. "

jenP_97 says, "or maybe underlined?"

jenP_97 says, "hehe"

jenP_97 says, "(screaming baby in the background)"

? gypsycaine says, "lol."

? gypsycaine says, "go jen."

? CarverWB says, "hehehe"

? CarverWB says, "baby v. 'puter"

? gypsycaine says, "this is supposed to be a pale purple color, but i cannot see it so i guess i need a run on sentence to test it out."

? gypsycaine says, "ok. that's better"

jenP_97 says, "I'm going to have to leave eventually and go to Costco..."

? gypsycaine says, "it's hard to type with children."

jenP_97 says, "we're out of paper towels."

? CarverWB says, "horrors!"

jenP_97 says, "I know! "

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "If dave h. oz were here, Jen's bold pink would remind him of Madam Rosmerta's bare skin"

? gypsycaine hasn't had paper towels in weeks.

jenP_97 says, "lol"

jenP_97 says, "and your type, catlady, would remind him of her turquoise/blue shimmering clingy dresses. "

? gypsycaine says, "oh help."

? gypsycaine says, ""

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I haven't seen any Ravenclaw t-shirts at all. I want a Ravenclaw mug, even if I can't get the Class of 1974 one!"

triner2001 enters

? gypsycaine says, "my friend is driving me guilty for being in chat."

? gypsycaine says, "laura30"

jenP_97 says, "driving me guilty."

? CarverWB says, "whats wrong with being in chat?"

jenP_97 says, "that's a good phrase."

? gypsycaine says, "disregard that latter."

jenP_97 says, "I'll have to use that again."

triner2001 says, "Hello all"

? CarverWB says, "hello triner"

jenP_97 says, "Hi, Trina"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, Trina"

Your buddy ladyadamned is on pager

jenP_97 says, "Looks like it's women's night at the HP4Grownups chat... "

selah_1977 enters

? gypsycaine says, "oh help."

? CarverWB says, ""

? gypsycaine says, "she's still going off."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Ebony, you're back, are you in rainbow colors now?k "

? gypsycaine says, "about how i should be doing things more important to life than chatting..."

selah_1977 says, "See? I tried all that fancy stuff and my computer started puking... "

? gypsycaine says, "she is chatting me to death."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Oh! Sorry!"

selah_1977 says, "Then AOL kicked me out... that's OK... I'll just be plain ol' Eb today. "

? CarverWB says, "oops"

jenP_97 says, "does your voice work?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Dee, tell your friend that you are helping people learn to use Cheetachat "

? CarverWB says, "yeah"

triner2001 says, "Sunday afternoons here are reserved for Harry "

jenP_97 says, "er, your yahoo voice, that is..."

selah_1977 says, "No, I don't even have voice capability"

? gypsycaine says, "she's going off that i need to set priorities."

? CarverWB says, "you are providing help for desperate women"

? gypsycaine says, "and have a car by the 31st."

? gypsycaine says, "and. . . . . ."

jenP_97 says, "hmmm... how come your smiley vace has headphones, then?"

? CarverWB says, "enabling us to be internet savvy"

? CarverWB says, "EMPOWERING us"

selah_1977 says, "I don't know... all I know is that I don't have a mic and nothing's coming out of my speakers"

You have 9 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

? gypsycaine says, "ony have two people on cheeta talk."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Ladies' NIght at HPfG, all techy talk about how to have multi-color backwards text, no male strippers "

triner2001 says, "Me too, Dee"

gypsycaine : /\ /\ 

gypsycaine : ((oVo)) 

gypsycaine : ()::) 

gypsycaine : VVV WHOOOO.....WHOOOOO

selah_1977 says, "Oh! I had a dream about book five last night... can't remember very much... I do know that Moaning Myrtle was a scantily dressed Uma Thurman lookalike"

? CarverWB says, "lol"

? CarverWB says, "dream or nightmare"

triner2001 says, "Of corse, I don't know how to set up my mic and use voice"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Dee! WOW! We are Horny Owls!"

selah_1977 says, "I'm not sure... all I know is that I need to leave Harry alone for a while."

Your buddy ladyadamned has gone off pager

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Until he grows up?"

Your buddy piter_bishop has gone off pager

? CarverWB says, "until book 5?"

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

selah_1977 says, "Not even then, Rita! I'm not competing with all those female characters who want a piece of him! LOL!"

triner2001 says, "I got through my 350 posts for the FAQ. My word we are prolific!"

jenP_97 says, "yeah, if myrtle was a scantily dressed uma thurman, Harry would have no problem with her seeing him naked."

triner2001 says, "and sometimes repetitive"

selah_1977 says, "Trina, I just started! Wow!"

? CarverWB says, "I have given up on the posts, I read a few a day now"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Ebony, on Yahoo Chat there is a button that says Start Voice, and on Cheetah Chat, there is a Strt Vice option on the CHat subminu, Chat on menu bar"

selah_1977 says, "Guess not, Jen."

triner2001 says, "I had a lot of posts re: chapter volunteering"

? CarverWB says, "I went away for a week and got buried!"

jenP_97 says, "well, your name showed up at the bottom, ebony."

gypsycaine . o O ( grumbles, i swear, if she wasn't my best friend i would ignore her. )

jenP_97 says, "here, I'll try one, you tell me if you hear me."

selah_1977 says, "What bottom?"

jenP_97 says, "haha..."

selah_1977 says, "At the bottom of the screen... wait a minute!"

You have 11 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

triner2001 says, "I heard something, but it didn't make sense"

jenP_97 says, "I just said Hi."

Your buddy katerinaugusta is in chat

Your buddy katerinaugusta leaves chat

selah_1977 says, "Wait a minute... let me turn this stereo off..."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I heard Dee being annoyed at her friend, but she and I are the only names I see on Cheeta Voice Presence window"

? gypsycaine says, "who all is using cheeta?"

? CarverWB says, "me"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Only the people writing in a single color need to anser"

selah_1977 says, "Anyway, most of the dream was explainingI'm not, I don't think... only plug in I have is Ypager"

? gypsycaine says, "carver, get your butt into chat, then."

? gypsycaine says, "if you have speakers, you can at least listen."

You have 12 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

? CarverWB says, "it wants to install something"

? gypsycaine says, "yes..."

? gypsycaine says, "that's normal."

? CarverWB says, "<<Panic>>"

jenP_97 says, "the FeelMe option? "

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Ebony, most of the dream was explaining WHAT? "

You have 13 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

selah_1977 says, "Oh, yeah.... explaining stuff that wasn't clarified around the second task in Book 4"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Enlighten us!"

gypsycaine . o O ( second task? )

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Merpeople"

selah_1977 says, "Well, all I remember is the Trio sitting on the banks of the lake, and then Harry diving in..."

triner2001 says, "who took Harry's Whezzy"

? CarverWB says, "I hear you!"

? CarverWB says, ""

selah_1977 says, "and then... oh, yes! There were merpeople."

selah_1977 says, "I can't hear! I'm so jealous!"

? CarverWB says, "cant talk tho"

triner2001 says, "I can't either Ebony"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "The book told us that the four hostages gathered in Dumbledore's office and it was explained to them that they"

jenP_97 says, "well, we could always talk more with "plain yahoo"."

You have 14 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

selah_1977 says, "I had an omniscient POV, I think, and he gets tangled in this kelp-like seaweed stuff"

Your buddy katerinaugusta has gone off pager

? gypsycaine says, "pov?"

? CarverWB says, "thats cool, now I suppose I have to go buy a microphone"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "would be perfectly safe and then someone put a unconscious/breathe underwater spell on them"

selah_1977 says, "and moaning myrtle comes and cuts him out..."

? CarverWB says, "privately owned vehicle?"

triner2001 says, "Hey what chapter are we on this week?"

You have 0 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "P.O. -- point of view"

dee_97527 enters

triner2001 says, "point of view, Jen"

? gypsycaine says, "wb diann"

You have 1 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

? CarverWB says, "armyspeak "

selah_1977 says, "Well, it didn't explain where the toilet stuff went. There was an underground drainage system"

jenP_97 says, "shoot, this is freaking me out. I thought you were talking to me. "

You have 0 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

dee_97527 says, "thanks, Howdy all"

selah_1977 says, "Hello Diann!"

triner2001 says, "Hullo Diann!"

? CarverWB says, "howdy dee"

selah_1977 says, "And then... (don't you hate how dreams cut to an entirely different location?) He and Myrtle are walking down a dark, dank stone corridor"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "If sewage doesn't have heavy metal or excessively stable synthetic organic chemicals in it, running it rhough enough of the right bacteria will turn it into healthy compost"

triner2001 says, "I never saw the merpeople taking Ron coming. Am I hte only one who was horridied by that?"

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia is in chat

flying_ford_anglia enters

selah_1977 says, "That's the idea I got Rita from the dream... it was fertilizing something..."

? CarverWB says, "I suspected"

triner2001 says, "Hi Neil"

selah_1977 says, "Hi Neil!"

? CarverWB says, "hi Neil"

You have 1 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

dee_97527 says, "Howdy Neil"

jenP_97 says, "Hi Neil."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, Neil"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hello all!"

selah_1977 says, "The second task was by far my favorite. I loved the mersong."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Ebony had a dream that explained the second task"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Ooooh"

selah_1977 says, "And I have a fear of drowning... I can't swim!"

jenP_97 says, "I just read the first task to my husband... it was more exciting than I remembered it."

triner2001 says, "If it hadn't been sometime around 6 am, I may have been more perceptive!"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "In it, Moaning Myrtle was a scantiliy clad Uma Thurman"

? CarverWB says, "I liked the dragons.. lol poor hagrid.. like a kid wanting a red rider bb gun"

selah_1977 says, "I don't think it explained it... I just wanted to know more about what was in that lake"

triner2001 says, "when I read it the 1st time"

gypsycaine gives a crisp military salute.

? gypsycaine says, "Hi Neil!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Wotcha"

hert0661 enters

? CarverWB gives a shabby halfhearted salute

triner2001 says, "Hi Simon"

selah_1977 says, "Everyone has on headphones! (checking her purse and planning a trip to CompUSA)"

lady_voldemort enters

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, Simon"

jenP_97 says, "Hi simon"

selah_1977 says, "Hi Simon"

hert0661 says, "Hello all"

lady_voldemort says, "hey room"

You have 2 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

selah_1977 says, "Hi, Lady V!"

triner2001 says, "Man our Ladies Night is bing invaded "

jenP_97 says, "(I still haven't heard anyone talking...)"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Hi, Lady V "

? CarverWB says, "awww"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Oh, that sounded interesting - then you all started saluting"

? gypsycaine says, ""has headphones?"

lady_voldemort says, "how is everyone?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hello, Simon, Lady V"

selah_1977 says, "Ladies' night? When will Sirius jump out of the cake?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "No"

jenP_97 gets her pile of ones.

? gypsycaine says, "neil needs cheeta!"

jenP_97 says, "no!"

? CarverWB gets a pile of ones also

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>sirius?cake?huh?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Eh?"

jenP_97 says, "NO MORE CONVERTING PEOPLE TO CHEETA! "

jenP_97 says, "(sorry for the shouting everyone)"

jenP_97 snickers

gypsycaine sighs deeply.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Neil needs Cheetah so he can write in Gryff GOLD "

jenP_97 says, "oh, I was just kidding."

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>whats cheeta?"

triner2001 says, "Use you inside voice, Jen"

gypsycaine winks at everyone.

jenP_97 says, "but maybe next week."

flying_ford_anglia says, "It is a bit of ladies' sewing circle in here... "

selah_1977 says, "LOL Jen! I just caught the "pile of ones"!"

gypsycaine : /\ /\ 

gypsycaine : ((oVo)) 

gypsycaine : ()::) 

gypsycaine : VVV WHOOOO.....WHOOOOO

? gypsycaine sends out an owl.... www.cheeta.com

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>ok, I've completely lost the plot here."

jenP_97 says, "(sorry. hehehe... I've been trying to teach Ginger to use her "inside voice")"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>bone to pick with the club"

dee_97527 says, "Dennis (p_dumbledore) said to tell everyone "hello". He is in Germany"

? CarverWB says, "plot? you expect us to make SENSE???"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'll settle for Slytherin green"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>away for 5 days in france and I come back to over 1000 mail"

triner2001 says, "I have Ravenclaw blue"

selah_1977 says, "oh yeah, Ravenclaw blue..."

jenP_97 says, "that's what you get for going to France. "

? gypsycaine says, "ok, then i will take gryff gold."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Oh, yeah - i hope to see Dennis later this week Diann"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>naaah, this is a chat room. no sense needed here unless its nonsense"

S_Ings enters

flying_ford_anglia says, "Dee, that yellow is cack!"

triner2001 says, "I know, the weekend I moved, I came back to a zillion posts"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>whats everyone on bout r.blue and g.gold?"

selah_1977 says, "So what's this afternoon's topic? Cheeta? Ladies' night?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I told you it needed more orange"

dee_97527 says, "Yes, he should be in London by Friday. He has a Muggles for Harry Potter button for you"

jenP_97 says, "cack. hahaha"

? CarverWB says, "psst, Lady_voldemort, your html is showing"

triner2001 puts on her shades to read Dee's messages

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hurray!"

gypsycaine : /\ /\

gypsycaine : \ _____\

gypsycaine : (_)--(_)

gypsycaine : Puts on her sunglasses for high colors

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>worst thing is, I get the posts sent to my mail account (stopped that now thank god)"

selah_1977 says, "what is all that stuff in front of your messages, Dee?"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>how is html showing?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "That's danerous"

flying_ford_anglia says, "dangerous"

? CarverWB says, "I see: "whatever""

? CarverWB says, "darn"

? gypsycaine says, "<red><b>how is html showing?""

? CarverWB says, "I cant reproduce it"

selah_1977 says, "Lady V, always read messages on line if possible... Hotmail would blow my account up"

? CarverWB says, "I see "<" red ">" etc"

selah_1977 says, "OK, I'm purple now... close enough to blue"

? CarverWB says, "but only with You, LV"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I read online and my phone company want to own my house now"

? CarverWB says, "yow"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>I was having to check account three/four times a day. cure: use Yahhoo mail cos more space"

? gypsycaine says, "her java doesn't like her html."

triner2001 says, "I read online for the price of a local phonecall, thankfully"

flying_ford_anglia says, "We pay more in Britain"

hert0661 says, "I read by e-mail - mush cjheaper option and I can sort the messages by subject!"

dee_97527 leaves

dee_97527 enters

? CarverWB says, "thank goodness for flat rate local"

? gypsycaine says, "wb"

S_Ings says, "I read online for free"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I worry about you Brits every time I hear on the news that your phone companies charge by the minute for even local calls, even to ISP local TIP"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>yeah, if i want to type in a colour then i've gotta type <red>"

jenP_97 says, "same here..."

? gypsycaine says, "39.95 per month."

? gypsycaine says, "unlimited cable."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm thinking of switiching to BT surftime - a cheap option"

selah_1977 says, "Carver--I hear you! I pay AOL $27 a month--I'd better use it!"

You have 4 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

jenP_97 says, "$30 per month, but I get domain name hosting, too."

? CarverWB says, ""

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>nope: arseholes online (AOL) doesn't like Java"

jenP_97 says, "www.piersol.com"

jenP_97 says, ""

hert0661 says, "That is why I am on more at evening and weeekends when it is cheaper"

? CarverWB says, "AO*LL"

? gypsycaine says, "you're using their browser, aren't you, Lady V?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I pay about ?12 /month to Direct Connection plus about ?50 a month to the phone co."

S_Ings says, "Ouch"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>yep yo gyspsy"

hert0661 says, "I have not had a phone bill yet - will wait to see what my parents say when it arrives!"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>yep to gypsy"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I have cable modem, too. Between the TV (which I never watch: it's for Tim) and the Net, it's $82 a month."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I would avoid peak times"

gypsycaine . o O ( that doesn't include my television cable which makes the bill around $95. )

gypsycaine . o O ( Disney that's the difference Cat) )

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Simon -- maybe your parents will put you in the cupboard under the stairs"

? CarverWB says, "lol"

? gypsycaine says, "Lady V."

? gypsycaine says, "follow this link....please."

dee_97527 says, "We have two accounts Ouch. Put know we can both be one at the same time"

? gypsycaine says, "www.cheeta.com"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>1p a minute at all times, but we're gonna switch to BTsurftime soon"

flying_ford_anglia says, "It's not that different then - but I pay another ?15 a month for cable and about 98 for A TV licence"

hert0661 says, "They would have to clear it out first!"

? gypsycaine says, "you're going to have problems with the java otherwise."

lady_voldemort says, "why?"

? CarverWB says, "cheeta will assimilate you"

jenP_97 says, "I think when I design my dream house, I'll have to put in a "cupboard under the stairs" for my kid(s) to play in. "

flying_ford_anglia says, "Or lock them in?"

selah_1977 says, "No! That's inhumane!"

? CarverWB says, "and get a pet owl?"

jenP_97 says, "hehe..."

jenP_97 says, "and a toad named Trevor."

selah_1977 says, "I want Hedwig... that's all there is to it."

hert0661 says, "Yes please to the owl!"

? gypsycaine says, "ack."

? gypsycaine says, "no toads."

jenP_97 says, "toads can be cute."

? CarverWB says, "I Like trevor"

jenP_97 says, "(some toads, anyway)"

? gypsycaine says, "trevor didn't like going to hogwarts, i don't think"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I wanted a stuffed one"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Here in Los Angeles, it's unusual for houses to have stairs, except one steps up from the living room so you can trip"

hert0661 says, "I am going to have to go soon - got FAQ work to do"

? CarverWB says, "he gets to fly around charms class"

triner2001 says, "I now notice things with owls more than I did before Harry"

lady_voldemort says, "I got a load of writing saying free stuff"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I haven't finished the FAQ"

jenP_97 says, "When my husband moved to CA, he wondered why we don't have basements."

flying_ford_anglia says, "scanning that is"

? gypsycaine says, "i used to date "Night Owl"."

selah_1977 says, "I do too, Trina--have some owl books in my classroom library now"

? gypsycaine says, "owls were his totem."

dee_97527 says, "I still have to work on my FAQ also"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "No attics either"

hert0661 says, "I am about 2/3 through - then have to put it online!"

triner2001 says, "Went through all my posts, now need to organized them"

selah_1977 says, "Rita and Jen--sounds a lot like Florida to me"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>gypsy: all I got was 'free stuff!' 'free stuff!'"

? CarverWB says, "why no basements?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "All you FAQ Folk, emulate Trina!"

? gypsycaine says, "i have just started, honestly, Neil Hands her head in shame."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm writing the summaries for Monday ... that's taking precedence"

jenP_97 says, "it's actually www.cheetachat.com"

? gypsycaine says, "www.cheetachat.com"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Florida has no basements because it's water table is too high"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>how many poeple from the US here?123"

jenP_97 says, "haha, I beat you! "

? gypsycaine says, "456"

? CarverWB says, "yeah, but cali?"

triner2001 says, "What chapter are we on this week, anyway?"

? gypsycaine says, "5?"

lady_voldemort says, "ok, back in a sec"

hert0661 says, "Is it fairly easy to put it into that database?"

jenP_97 says, "CA has no basements because of the earthquakes."

? gypsycaine says, "the twins?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I think older houses in SoCal had basements "

selah_1977 says, "Thanks for the suggestion Trina in the FAQ--I printed the message list and can use it as a guide"

flying_ford_anglia says, "We are on 5 now, 6 next week"

? CarverWB says, "oh yeah, I forgot the whole shaky thing"

hert0661 says, "World cup one?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "We didn't talk about the twins much"

jenP_97 says, "it's not that it's impossible to build them, it's just too expensive."

selah_1977 says, "You're right about FL's water table--earlier this summer, a few houses in the Tampa Bay area sank"

jenP_97 says, "no, I've got the world cup - that's in a couple of weeks."

lady_voldemort says, "lalalalala"

? CarverWB says, "lucky Jen!"

selah_1977 says, "isn't 6 the portkey?"

? gypsycaine says, "yes, it is."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "and then developers thought it would be cheaper to leave thnm out"

jenP_97 says, "I know! And I didn't even ask for it specifically! Cool, or what?"

lady_voldemort says, "hey, blank screen!!!!!!"

? gypsycaine says, "i dl'ed the Gof, and I remember it now."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Mine is the Portkey one (6)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Ooops"

? CarverWB says, "you downloaded book 4?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "you said it"

? gypsycaine says, "yes."

? gypsycaine says, "1, 2, 3, and 4."

? CarverWB says, "nte e book ng?"

selah_1977 says, "There was a portkey in my dream, too... just can't remember what or where it was."

lady_voldemort says, "cheetachat didn't do anything"

? CarverWB says, "er the E-book NG on usenet?"

? gypsycaine says, "you have to download and install it."

triner2001 says, "I don't have to worry til Ch 14 and House-elves"

? gypsycaine says, "cheeta, that is."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Ebony - you're dreaming HP fanfic!"

? gypsycaine says, "www.napster.com is where i got GoF and ther others."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Developers don't think about quakes except when they run into Building Codes. I once was visited by a friend from Back East who at that time"

selah_1977 says, "I know... don't tell anyone."

lady_voldemort says, "ok"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm planning Snape now - it's not til Feb 20011"

triner2001 says, "In the Carolinas is hurricanes"

hert0661 says, "bye for now"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "was a heating & airconditioning salesman"

flying_ford_anglia says, "2001 ahem"

? CarverWB says, "lol"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Bye Simon"

hert0661 leaves

selah_1977 says, "See you later, Simon! Happy FAQing"

jenP_97 says, "I've got bagman. Any suggestions on what to put for him?"

? gypsycaine says, "once you install cheeta, Lady V, you have to do the following:"

S_Ings says, "bye Simon"

selah_1977 says, "No... did anyone see Randy's prediction post?"

? CarverWB says, "here in dc its politicians  *we* consider them a natural disaster anyway"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "and he scolded me for Los Angeles using (natural) gas heat instead of oil "

triner2001 says, "Nope"

? gypsycaine says, "bagman = idiot... one too many hits with the bludger"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Bagman - not too much to say?"

S_Ings says, "No,, what did he predict?"

jenP_97 says, "shoot, can you imagine using oil in LA???"

flying_ford_anglia says, "shallow gambler?"

selah_1977 says, "I was going to write a reply about his Bagman theory--AOL kicked me off"

? gypsycaine says, "You go to the top line, and where it says rooms, click on my clubs."

? gypsycaine says, "it'll bring the list up, and you can log into the chat via that."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "because the gas pipelines can break during quakes"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I meant to reply to Randy too - re the Hagrid romance!"

? CarverWB says, "break then go boom"

selah_1977 says, "I don't think Bagman is a Death Eater. Too stupid even for their standards"

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jenP_97 says, "I wanted to reply to Randy's nominative determinism. "

selah_1977 says, "What's your take on Hagrid, Neil?"

triner2001 says, "Bagman gladhands and appearscompetent but really a dishonest,and stereotypical ex-jock i position of power"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Well.... a romance with McGonagall?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "The name "Ludo" means "play" or "game", like "ludicrous" or "Homo ludens". Ludovic -- "vic" might be victory."

? gypsycaine says, "he reminds me a car salesman, or herb from WKRP"

selah_1977 says, "Nah! Madame Maxime's here to stay"

flying_ford_anglia says, "although we did dally with that idea a while back"

selah_1977 says, "WKRP was a cool show"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I think Hagrid and Maxime will get it on"

Your buddy katerinaugusta is on pager

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, ""Bagman" in USA means the man who carries the cash for a criminal enterprise, such as the man who goes around"

Your buddy katerinaugusta has gone off pager

jenP_97 says, "ugh."

selah_1977 says, "Maybe they'll get married! Hagrid and Maxime, I mean"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "to the small businesses collecting the money protection money"

triner2001 says, "I think of Ludovic Speed from Anne of the Island"

jenP_97 says, "yeah... that'd be a funny chapter - summer before book 6 - Hagrid's wedding."

selah_1977 says, "Trina! Anne!"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "or the man who carries the bribe from the rich businessman to the politician"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Ludo has a brother called Otto - a bit like the games Ludo and Lotto - games=gambling?"

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jenP_97 says, "what about "The Hurrying of Ludovic Speed" from _Chronicles of Avonlea_?"

selah_1977 says, "Fleur could be a bridesmaid... (Ebony planning wedding in her head)"

triner2001 says, "Thats the one Jen! "

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "But I wonder if JKR was thinking of Bagman as 'left holding the bag""

lady_voldemort leaves

S_Ings says, "Dumbledore as best man"

? CarverWB says, "or a bag holding a cat?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Bagging the loot?"

? gypsycaine says, "I laughed the first time I saw the name Couch."

jenP_97 says, "I don't know. He seems stupid, but nevertheless, I think he just uses his "stupidity" to get away with being bad."

lady_voldemort enters

selah_1977 says, "Ron crying and turning red"

lady_voldemort says, "hey. Im back"

? CarverWB says, "wb"

selah_1977 says, "Wb Lady V"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Yes - he is lazy - lax on security..."

? gypsycaine says, "hey, no Html."

? gypsycaine says, "nice."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hi again"

jenP_97 says, "I can definitely see Ron and Harry giggling during the ceremony - and Hermione dabbing her eyes with her hankie."

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>cheetachat"

selah_1977 says, "Bagman and Fudge in high places = not a good combination"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I loved Hagrid's hairy suit"

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>html or not now?"

triner2001 says, "Likes to use his job to socialize, but not really do any work"

? CarverWB says, "it would be funny to see mcgonigal crying"

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>I'm still working on the look of triumph"

? CarverWB says, "and denying it"

selah_1977 says, "Hagrid will have a hairy tux--and some enormous flower in his buttonhole"

? gypsycaine says, "that's weird, lady v."

flying_ford_anglia says, "he's a typical ex-sportsman who has wangled a job on his reputation"

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jenP_97 says, "haha"

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>everyone here has read BK4 right?"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "LV, your HTMP is showing"

? CarverWB says, "hehehehe"

S_Ings says, "McGonagall and Hermione sharing a hankie"

triner2001 says, "exactly Neil"

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>bugger. oh well, just ignore it"

selah_1977 says, "Hermione might not cry..."

selah_1977 says, "Yes, we have, Lady V."

jenP_97 says, "she'd smack Harry and Ron for giggling, though."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Looks okay to me Lady v"

dee_97527 is back.

dee_97527 says, "Hermoine would cry"

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>i tried downloading cheetachat 4 or 5 times and nothing happened"

selah_1977 says, "LOL Jen! Yes, she would!"

? CarverWB says, "yup, hermione would sniffle"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Viktor is the current celebrity sportsman -- compare him to Bagman!"

triner2001 says, "And give them dirty looks for misbehaving"

selah_1977 says, "Diann, maybe..."

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>u using html gypsy?"

? CarverWB says, "she cried when ron and harry made up"

gypsycaine . o O ( i can't stand AOL. )

? gypsycaine says, "nope."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Is Krum a crap wizard on a sporting scholarship?"

jenP_97 says, "I can definitley see Hermione crying."

? gypsycaine says, "i am not using html."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "VIktor is throwing his weight around"

selah_1977 says, "That was different! She's not a crybaby, I don't think."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "IS NOT"

S_Ings says, "Hermione would analyze the cultural differences of the ceremony"

triner2001 says, "Her two best friends were fighting and she was in the middle"

selah_1977 says, "Especially if Viktor accompanied her."

jenP_97 says, "I think she'd cry because weddings "always make her cry""

selah_1977 says, "Thank you! Yes, she would!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "She would set free all the wine waiters at the reception..."

jenP_97 says, "not that she's a crybaby."

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "I haven't see any sign that Viktor is a crap wizard -- that he is 18 before start of term could be that"

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>whats with the o O from gypsy each time?"

? CarverWB says, "some of us just plain get teary at weddings etc"

selah_1977 says, "LOL Neil!"

jenP_97 says, "that's her thought bubble."

? gypsycaine goes over and bonks Neil in the head with a pillow

selah_1977 says, "So then would Maxime live in Hagrid's hut?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Thanks..."

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>die AOL die"

triner2001 says, "*I* got teary when Ron and Harry made up and I don't kow them as well as Hermione"

? CarverWB says, "would they both fit?"

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jenP_97 says, "I don't know... he kinda goofed up when he tried to transfigure into a shark..."

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>and yeah, i know, its not alive so it cant die"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "took a year off or a year part-time -- it must be impossible to study for NEWTs and play on the National Team at the same time!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Maxime could make the hut cosy - give it a French cottage look"

selah_1977 says, "I wanted to lash them both with wet noodles"

jenP_97 says, "maybe he hasn't paid too much attention to his lessons... being on the national team training for the world cup, that is."

jenP_97 says, "they'd definitely have to add on a room."

selah_1977 says, "I like Viktor"

? CarverWB says, "imagine Madame Maxime trying to deal with all the 'pets' Hagrid brings in"

gypsycaine . o O ( it's ok. i want to murder yahoo at least four-six times a week. )

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>maxine and Hagrid together!!!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I think he may have got to Durmstrang because he was famous"

jenP_97 says, "it'd be too easy for someone like Malfoy to peek through the curtains like he did in ss/ps"

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Why would Maxime be willing to leave the school of which she is headmistress? She'd be more likely to take Hagrid to France (or Andorra?) with her."

triner2001 says, "Look how much Harry has to practice for school Quidditch, the National Team would require even more"

lady_voldemort says, "<purple><b>yahoo is like heaven compared to AOL"

jenP_97 says, "Besides... er, yeah, just what catlady said."

S_Ings says, "Lace curtains at the windows, singed by pets"

jenP_97 says, "(darnit!)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Yes - true"

selah_1977 says, "Amen Lady V! AOL is evil!"

? gypsycaine says, "would hagrid leave hogwarts?"

selah_1977 says, "No!"

S_Ings says, "No"

jenP_97 says, "Maybe that would be the breaking point of their relationship."

flying_ford_anglia says, "But, we had fun....hey she could apparate! oh...no she couldn't"

selah_1977 says, "They could have a very modern commuter marriage."

jenP_97 says, "MM: Come with me to Beauxbatons, 'Agrid!""

lady_voldemort says, "<orange><b>is this in orange?"

S_Ings says, "Yes"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Oo-er"

triner2001 says, "yes LV"

jenP_97 says, "H: "I can't leave... Dumbledore is counting on me""

gypsycaine . o O ( there is a joke here in town... HEY JEN!!) )

selah_1977 says, "There has to be a wedding! Either Maxime/Hagrid or Fleur/Bill"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Bong Sewer would not get him very far"

lady_voldemort says, "<orange><b>with AOL i can't even use IE!!!! (or Java or yahoo messenger or homestead or yahoo page builder or msn messenger.......)"

triner2001 says, "She could Hijack the Berauxbatons blue carriage"

S_Ings says, "LOL, Neil"

lady_voldemort says, "<orange><b>double wedding"

triner2001 says, "Not Fluer + Bill!"

selah_1977 says, "But Maxime/Hagrid would be the most fun!"

gypsycaine . o O ( AOL is a French restaurant. You go in, sit down, start your meal, and the matre d comes over and says, you have to leave now, someone else needs your table. )

gypsycaine . o O ( but you can wait in line again to come back in. )

lady_voldemort says, "<orange><b>with lots of little bouncing ferret malfoys acting as page boys!!!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "A wedding - how would it look? White lace veils and bouquets? And that's just the men - ba boom!"

selah_1977 says, "And afterwards, at the reception (I'm assuming there would be a reception)..."

lady_voldemort says, "<orange><b>lol at gypsy"

jenP_97 says, "hehe."

? CarverWB says, "at least A*L provides me with pleny of small palletes for painting"

selah_1977 says, "LOL Lady V!"

lady_voldemort says, "<orange><b>lol at ford"

? gypsycaine says, "as long as Ron doesn't have to wear the Yule robe!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Percy and Penelope?"

? gypsycaine says, "poor boy."

selah_1977 says, "Ron's getting new robes, remember?"

lady_voldemort says, "<green><b>is this nice green or icky green?"

selah_1977 says, "NO! No P & P! That would be boring! Maxime/Hagrid would bring the humor factor into play nicely"

? gypsycaine says, "don't know lady v."

jenP_97 says, "With F&G putting "save me" on Percy's shoe bottoms when they kneel? "

flying_ford_anglia says, "Ron will be in this season's robes - the new culottes"

? gypsycaine says, "it's html black."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "LV, I haven't seen any of your colors"

? CarverWB says, "its black"

triner2001 says, "Penelope could make Percy realize there is more to life than th MoM"

selah_1977 says, "LOL Jen!"

jenP_97 says, "of course, if they weren't Catholic, that wouldn't matter, would it?"

? CarverWB says, "Gred and Forge?"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>ill stick to red then"

selah_1977 says, "Penelope seems like fun... she bet Percy on the Quidditch game in PoA"

triner2001 says, "LV it's green to me"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>cat, u using HTML?"

dee_97527 says, "It would be interesting to see a witch/wizzard wedding"

selah_1977 says, "I agree Diann, that's why there has to be a wedding in the books"

triner2001 says, "Everyone in dress robes"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>how much are ron and hermione gonna get together?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I imagine garlanded hair and mediaeval tied bodices"

S_Ings says, "Til You-Know-Who do you part?"

jenP_97 says, "of course you do."

selah_1977 says, "YES! Ron asking Hermione to dance at the reception=perfection!"

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "The person who let the cat out of the bag is left holding the bag "

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>with BOUNCING FERRETS AS PAGE BOYS!!hehehehehe"

selah_1977 says, "Very anachronistic, I think"

? CarverWB says, "LOL"

? gypsycaine says, "and poor harry, sitting watching, still not knowing how to dance."

selah_1977 says, "Bouncing ferrets=Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle"

dee_97527 says, "new class at hogwarts -- dance"

selah_1977 says, "Until Cho asks him to dance and teaches him how! Or Ginny"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Who conducts a wizard wedding? Not a vicar, surely?"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>sorry, loveed that bit (and the angelina...wil you go to the dance with me part!!)"

gypsycaine . o O ( betcha hermoine works on that spell to use it against, bouncing ferrets) )

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Us Muggles have weddings with garlanded hair and medieval laced bodices, is the anachronism that it is too modern for wizard folk"

selah_1977 says, "LadyV--I loved that part, too! Especially since I love the twins, 'specially Fred!"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>and pansy as a bouncing ferret as well (Voldemort the bouncing baby ferret!)"

? CarverWB says, "lol"

selah_1977 says, "LOL!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "They won't be in leathers, that's for sure"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>and boy can I not type"

selah_1977 says, "Stop, Neil! They don't make bikes that big!"

? gypsycaine says, "well, that depends, hagrid might, if norbert shows up."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Who conducts a wizard wedding -- some kind of senior wizard - - Dumbledore if they can get him"

jenP_97 says, "hehe... I read that and thought you said "feathers""

selah_1977 says, "Dumbledore, I think. Harry may actually be in the wedding... best wizard or something"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I imagine Sirius riding up on his huge monster..."

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>sorry, im tired and I need to go to sleep forever and a cay but im enjoying the chat too much!!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "of a bike"

selah_1977 says, "Sexy Sirius... <sigh>"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>cay=day"

jenP_97 says, "in his tight leather pants."

? gypsycaine says, "lady, you can't use www.netzero.com can you?"

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>sirius kicks arse"

? gypsycaine says, "would sirius wear leather?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "in his spare time"

selah_1977 says, "All the witches fainting in a heap"

triner2001 says, "Does Hagrid know Buckbeak is safe?"

lady_voldemort says, "ill try gypsy"

jenP_97 says, "(actually, I've never thought tight jeans were sexy)"

? CarverWB says, "and I thought lockhart was bad"

lady_voldemort says, "brb"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Fleur would fell all the wizards"

? gypsycaine says, "no, fleur and bills' wedding."

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "tight jeans -- depends on how cute his ass is."

? gypsycaine says, "the bride's family..."

selah_1977 says, "Depends... and yes, I see Fleur in some drop dead gorgeous outfit"

selah_1977 says, "LOL! Rita!"

lady_voldemort says, "hey, no writing!!!"

lady_voldemort says, "ah, back"

? gypsycaine says, "still black, but no html lady v."

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>no gypsy i can't"

? gypsycaine says, ""

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>maybe AOL is secretly owned by voldemort?"

? gypsycaine says, "it's an online service that's totally free."

selah_1977 says, "All Hagrid's family is dead...too bad"

triner2001 says, "Fleur is a major flirt, the veel influence huh?"

? gypsycaine says, "that's not true ebony."

? CarverWB says, "dont use its NAME  'they who must not be named""

jenP_97 says, "well, they still don't know about Hagrid's mother, right?"

? gypsycaine says, "his mom..."

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>now thats a new theory (and ill kill anyone who reminds me its owned by bill gates"

dee_97527 says, "mom may be alive"

selah_1977 says, "I thought she was dead, Dee?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Fridwulfa..."

lady_voldemort says, "<red><b>why not carver....its part of my name!"

selah_1977 says, "IT'S PERFECT!"

jenP_97 says, "how about this... Hagrid and Maxim


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From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:02:34 -0700
Subject: Wizard Contraception
In-Reply-To: <v02140b1fb5cef6e582c5@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEFICAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 298

>>>>>Uh...well, not to give out any spoilers, but I'm planning to at some
point refer to wizard contraception.  I'm thinking a talisman would be a
good thing, something that either person would wear around their neck or
wrist or something.
Lori<<<<<<<<


Is this like those talismans that Muggle men wear on their... um... magic
wands?

Sister Mary Lunatic (feeling spiritually uplifted  >:D )





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 18:03:00 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:03:00 -0000
Subject: Chat 8-13-00 Using Cheetachat.
In-Reply-To: <022801c0104f$f790d9e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8obl4k+24m1@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 299

It worked, and it took the whole three hour post!  That's a great 
improvement over Yahoo!!

Dances about the room....

:)
Dee





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 18:02:13 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:02:13 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat 7-30-00 Using Cheetachat.
References: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com> <01f401c0104b$49261cc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <022801c0104f$f790d9e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <023c01c01050$f0040fc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 300

Connecting...

Connected! Sending login information...

Harry Potter for Grown Ups

You see here:

babynick34,dee_97527,niamh_o_leary,p_dumbledore,gypsycaine,smitster1,BonBon_076,flying_ford_anglia,Scrimers99,jenP_97

? babynick34 says, "Can't email GoF yet... maybe one day someone will type/scan it"

p_dumbledore says, "Hi Dee..."

dee_97527 says, "Howdy Dee"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Okay - we promise not to talk about GoF Dee!"

? gypsycaine says, "Thanks."

selah_1977 enters

smitster1 says, "Quick reminder--What is the current week character?"

? gypsycaine says, "I really appreciate that."

? babynick34 says, "So... back to favourite characters then (excluding Book 4 characters)."

selah_1977 says, "hello all..."

Scrimers99 says, "in another club im in some idiot had no spoiler space and said who died"

p_dumbledore says, "Our lips are sealed.. Oopss.. I mean my fingers are being edited.. !!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Is there a limit on chat rooms, like lifts?"

Scrimers99 says, "hey selah!"

jenP_97 says, "4000 lbs."

? gypsycaine says, "well, neil, i have seen 60 in a club."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hi"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Crikey|!"

p_dumbledore says, "LOL Jen"

jenP_97 says, ""

? gypsycaine says, "a few chat rooms have had 800 or so."

flying_ford_anglia says, "This is the most we've had here, that I recall"

Scrimers99 says, "well, if you have a Yahoo! Messenger you could send more people in here"

? babynick34 says, "I think my favourite characters must be Mr & Mrs Weasley - even though they are supporting cast."

? gypsycaine says, "oh, this is easy."

jenP_97 says, "When I was chatting with my not-yet-even-boyfriend-let-alone-husband back in college, we'd chat in rooms with up to 150 people in them."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I get confused with more than three people - it's like juggling"

? babynick34 says, "Scrimers - How? Would that not be spam mail"

Scrimers99 says, "well, the bigger this club grows...."

? gypsycaine says, "I used to do those kind all the time. Had to highlight people to keep up with the scroll."

triner2001 enters

p_dumbledore says, "Yes, they are so nice to Harry, and Mr. Weasley is so intregued with Muggle things."

triner2001 says, "hey y'all"

p_dumbledore says, "Hi Trina"

Scrimers99 says, "not sure baby nick"

jenP_97 says, ""

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hi Trina"

jenP_97 says, "sorry."

selah_1977 says, "Hi Trina!"

Scrimers99 says, "hey selah"

triner2001 says, "what are we discussing?"

? babynick34 says, "Hi trina (no book 4 discussion at the moment, as gypsy is here)."

Scrimers99 says, "Fav. Characters"

dee_97527 says, "I like Prof McGonagall"

selah_1977 says, "Hi Scrimers..."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Yes, the Weasleys as a family are all great"

? gypsycaine says, "It's a toss up for me."

Scrimers99 says, "Fred AND George!"

? gypsycaine says, "I love Harry, but for second fav's, McGonagall or Lupin."

selah_1977 says, "Ah.. we can only pick ONE character? You ask the impossible!"

BonBon_076 says, "love them"

smitster1 says, "Many things. But we're trying to talk about 1) our favorite character and 2) This week's character"

? babynick34 says, "What is this weeks character?"

Scrimers99 says, "who has F & G anyway?"

selah_1977 says, "Percy"

Connection error #10054; The connection is reset by remote side

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Your buddy hime_alyianna_kage is in chat and on pager

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia is in chat

Your buddy lady_calla is on pager

Your buddy ladyadamned is on pager

Your buddy ladyfaythe is on pager

Your buddy nightfall06 is in chat

Your buddy plinsenmayer is on pager

Your buddy raistlinmajare is on pager

Your buddy drkngl is on pager

You have 5 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

Harry Potter for Grown Ups

You see here:

babynick34,dee_97527,niamh_o_leary,p_dumbledore,smitster1,BonBon_076,flying_ford_anglia,Scrimers99,jenP_97,selah_1977,gypsycaine,triner2001

BonBon_076 says, "dobie is funny"

jenP_97 says, "I was a Hermione in school."

selah_1977 says, "I'd have to break my faves down into categories... I've found something to like in them all"

Scrimers99 says, "Hermy- own-ee!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Snape is good"

Scrimers99 says, "Voldemore"

flying_ford_anglia says, "well, he's BAAAAD"

? gypsycaine says, "i liked Snape until PoA."

? babynick34 says, "Now there is a topic - is Snape good, or bad?"

? gypsycaine says, "then he got whiney."

jenP_97 says, "Snape went off the deep end in PoA, didn't he?"

p_dumbledore says, "Yes, it's so hard to choose, each has their own Appeal.. Even Snape in all his narrow mindeness"

triner2001 says, "Snape is just so bitter"

selah_1977 says, "Poor Snape..."

smitster1 says, "Don't you me SUSHHHHHHH He-who-must-not-be-named"

Scrimers99 says, "Malfoy? hah"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Trelawney - I like her misty looks"

? gypsycaine wonders if they make a wizard analyst?

? babynick34 says, "I feel there is still more for us to learn about Snape."

Scrimers99 says, "trlaweny is insane"

? gypsycaine says, "wondered something about Malfoy after the comments today."

Your buddy ladyfaythe has gone off pager

triner2001 says, "Makes me want to know more about *his* school days"

? babynick34 says, "I don't like trelawney."

smitster1 says, "I liked the mean guy in Book #4 up until he was mean"

dee_97527 says, "Snape reminds me of a government teacher I had. She was not open to any opinion but her own."

selah_1977 says, "Well, I prefer the Marauders generation characters myself."

? gypsycaine says, "if they aren't teaching the RRR's."

jenP_97 says, "You know, it freaked me out reading _The Golden Compass_ and seeing a character named Professor Trelawney. "

triner2001 says, "Trelawney is nutters, as Ron has oten saie "

flying_ford_anglia says, "The Marauders sound quite romantic..."

? gypsycaine says, "does he know how to read? or did he pay someone to do it for him?"

selah_1977 says, "I feel sorry for Percy. I think I'm the Percy of my family. "

Scrimers99 says, "that HP on drugs article is horrible"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Some people haven't got the sense they were born with"

? babynick34 says, "I've not read that article yet... can't imagine why someone would write about that sort of thing."

jenP_97 says, "The Marauders *do* sound romantic - except for Peter. He sounds like a pain."

selah_1977 says, "Flying_Ford_Anglia (sorry I don't know your first name yet)--I always see James, Remus, and Sirius being played by romantic lead-quality men."

? babynick34 says, "Maybe Peter was just tagging along with the crowd."

triner2001 says, "Can you imagine what they do if they considered the same ieas about good old chemistry class?"

Scrimers99 says, "thats what selah and i were talking about yesterday"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Please call me Neil - it's a lot easier to type!"

selah_1977 says, "Oh, you're Neil! Love your posts!"

Your buddy ladyadamned has gone off pager

jenP_97 says, "Hehehe"

jenP_97 says, "Neil's famous."

niamh_o_leary leaves

BonBon_076 leaves

triner2001 says, "That's what I thought of when I read that @#$@#%@% article"

smitster1 says, "Perhaps once Percy grows a little he'll see that most things he does are very unimportant. Unfortunately, working for an institution creates a kind of self importance."

Scrimers99 says, "2 people left "

selah_1977 says, "I HATED the drug article, Scrimers."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Yes - the three with blouson shirts open to the waist and long flowing hair, chiseled jaws..."

smitster1 says, "Perhaps its a Yahoo! thing"

? gypsycaine says, "yahoo's acting up."

Scrimers99 says, "ha!"

selah_1977 says, "LOL, Neil!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I can't keep up..."

? babynick34 says, "Or may be You-Know-Who just attacked them!"

? gypsycaine says, "lol!"

Scrimers99 says, "what do we do when theres 5000 messages a day?"

gypsycaine . o O ( poor Neil )

selah_1977 says, "I usually read messages online since I have unlimited web access"

Scrimers99 says, "this club will increase"

? babynick34 says, "I currently have over 2000 unread messages from the list... oh dear."

jenP_97 says, "Ah, now Dee's a true chatter... she even does the thought bubbles. Takes me back. "

smitster1 says, "Start doing our real jobs even less."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Lady Nightfall - you're online!!!"

Your buddy nightfall06 leaves chat

flying_ford_anglia says, "That's Dee too, I think"

? gypsycaine says, "ok ack."

Scrimers99 says, "how many people we have now?"

? gypsycaine says, "it's not supposed to say that."

Your buddy nightfall06 is in games

? gypsycaine says, "it is me, neil."

? babynick34 says, "Winter comes soon... work gets quieter... so more time to read email."

p_dumbledore says, "I see 10 peoples"

? gypsycaine bows, and speaks.

smitster1 says, "448 in the club"

Scrimers99 says, "in the club?"

? gypsycaine says, "Lady Gypsy Nightfall, at your service."

Scrimers99 says, "ok thanks"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I know it's you - your persona made interesting reading!!!"

? gypsycaine says, "thank you."

Scrimers99 says, "we should have a 500 member party"

selah_1977 says, "Smitsmer, I'm a teacher so most people don't think we have real jobs anyway"

triner2001 says, "I work in the schools, I'll be home by 5 to read the daily influx of messages"

smitster1 says, "I don't have a real job either"

? gypsycaine says, "I am done with school."

jenP_97 says, "Where should we have the party? Denny's?"

selah_1977 says, "Smitster I mean"

? gypsycaine says, "my last grade was emailed to me today."

Scrimers99 says, "B & N!"

smitster1 says, "But I've thought about becoming a teacher. I think that would be much more fun"

? gypsycaine says, "I did it.."

? gypsycaine dances.

gypsycaine . o O ( 4.0 )

selah_1977 says, "CONGRATULATIONS!"

gypsycaine . o O ( for summer semester only. )

Scrimers99 says, "Barnes and Noble! hah"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Well done - is 4.0 good?"

triner2001 says, "way to go , Gypsy"

dee_97527 says, "Good for you Dee"

jenP_97 says, "I'm a teacher... and I had a computer lab where all I had to do was sit and read my email and messages."

jenP_97 says, "what a job! "

Scrimers99 says, "how many teachers here geez"

? gypsycaine says, "i took the eight weeks versions of Business Administration, Speech, and Statistics."

selah_1977 says, "Wow Jen... I'm jealous!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm not a teacher"

triner2001 says, "Not a teacher, a speehc therapist"

? gypsycaine says, "Neil, that's I believe, OWLs?"

triner2001 says, "er, speech therapist"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm a ... what am I?"

dee_97527 says, "Not a teacher, former Camp Fire leader"

p_dumbledore says, "It's like one of those jobs where you have to surf the net finding information for people.. JOB ??? NOT !! FUN !! YES !!!"

? babynick34 says, "Jen - sounds great... I just have small offices, one has email access - so I read there (when the CEO is not in)."

? gypsycaine says, "or is it NEWTs?"

selah_1977 says, "No, Dee, NEWTs, right?"

triner2001 says, "obviously not a typist"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I run an information service..."

? gypsycaine says, "IT or IS?"

? babynick34 says, "Camp Fire leader... oh no, brings back memories of my scouting days."

niamh_o_leary enters

smitster1 says, "I gave the institution example because I just was in a lecture where the professor said the same thing. It remimded be of my job. Sorry to step on toes"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Camp Fire leader - is that like the Guides?"

jenP_97 says, "I'm going to go back to school to become an architect... teaching tends to drag me down sometimes."

? gypsycaine says, "I was a one day brownie, so I can't contribute much to that."

dee_97527 says, "It was fun, but we moved 2000 miles away"

Your buddy nightfall06 leaves games

triner2001 says, "Former Girls Scout here"

Scrimers99 says, "what is JK's website anyway?"

dee_97527 says, "Yes Camp Fire would be like the Guides. We were also coed"

? gypsycaine says, "(mom yanked me out."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I tried to join the Cubs, but i was too young.."

Scrimers99 says, "www.jkrowling.com ?"

? babynick34 says, "JK's site, does she have one?"

Your buddy nightfall06 is in games

flying_ford_anglia says, "and I got pissed off that they wouldn't take me"

jenP_97 says, "can you imagine how much email she'd get if we knew her address? "

? gypsycaine says, "cubscouts?"

? gypsycaine says, "LOL!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "yes"

? gypsycaine says, "her box would be worse than Montel's!"

p_dumbledore says, "And we are complaining about the posts here.. ha !!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "That sounds rude"

jenP_97 says, "hahaha"

Scrimers99 says, "well di you hear she answers to some of her letters with Dumbledore i think"

niamh_o_leary says, "im back!!"

? gypsycaine says, "there is a site at that link."

? babynick34 says, "Fiddy complains about the number of snail-mail letters she gets from me, I remember her phoning back in late June to say she got two in the same week!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "She must get 1,000,000 mails a week asking how to say Hermione"

smitster1 says, "Penny is online, but not here......"

? gypsycaine nods, understanding.

niamh_o_leary says, "my son was acub he looked really cute in the uniform"

? gypsycaine says, "should I just go by Denise, today?"

gypsycaine . o O ( as there is another Dee? )

? babynick34 says, "Fiddy is Jo's PA for those of you who don't know. Fiddy answers most of the post these days."

Scrimers99 says, "yep im looking at that site"

dee_97527 says, "I am Diann."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm sure I would look cute in the uniform... now i mean"

smitster1 says, "She answers the kids who want to go to Hogwarts. I didn't know about the Dumbledore thing. That should REALLY help confused and lonely kids"

gypsycaine . o O ( so you go by Di? )

Scrimers99 says, "ooh"

niamh_o_leary says, "he would die"

dee_97527 says, "No, Diann"

Scrimers99 says, "listen to this"

niamh_o_leary says, "he's almost 16 very trendy"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Dumbledore is more popular than Santa, I'll bet"

Scrimers99 says, "Worldwide Agents:"

? gypsycaine says, "who would you get to play him?"

? gypsycaine says, "Sean Connery?"

jenP_97 says, "I'd rather get a letter from Dumbledore than almost anything from Santa."

? gypsycaine says, "or is he too regal?"

Scrimers99 says, "whoa sorry"

triner2001 says, "as long as it wasn't a Howler, Jen"

jenP_97 says, "Man, I wouldn't even care if it was a howler. "

triner2001 says, ""

Your buddy lady_black_raven_drago is on pager

niamh_o_leary says, "sean connery is way too cool"

? babynick34 says, "Incidently, don't bother emailing Christopher, he does not even seem to read his mail."

? gypsycaine says, " a howler would be cool."

flying_ford_anglia says, "yes... Dumbeldore... maybe that guy from Babe"

? gypsycaine says, "guy from babe?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Who is Christopher?"

jenP_97 says, "He's not British though, Neil."

triner2001 says, "Jonathon Cromwell, Neil?"

? babynick34 says, "Christopher, is the guy who discovered Jo... he is the agent."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Yes -"

smitster1 says, "Columbo"

? gypsycaine says, "I was thinking scottish/irish/etc."

? babynick34 says, "www.jkrowling.com is Christopher's site."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I see..."

? gypsycaine says, "that book, by the way, said a bit about him."

Scrimers99 says, "says worldwide agents, Christopher Little Literacy Agency, 10 Eel Brook Studios, London, SW6 4PS (?), england"

smitster1 says, "Oh, I thought you were talking about the director guy"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I see (again)"

Scrimers99 says, "Tel: (44) 171 736 4455"

? babynick34 says, "Christopher, not to be confused with Chris Columbus - who arrives on 8th August."

p_dumbledore says, "with a sub note.. "one rich guy""

Scrimers99 says, "Fax: (44) 171 736 4490"

jenP_97 says, "Chris Columbus - setting out to discover Harry Potter."

selah_1977 says, "I don't blame Christopher/JKR for not doing a US signing tour"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm not that interested in JKR's agent, to be honest"

triner2001 says, "There's a guy on "As Time Goes By" who plays Geoffrey Palmer's father Rocky who would be perfect for Dumbledore"

smitster1 says, "And will miss the boat, I'm sure"

jenP_97 says, "No kidding."

triner2001 says, "but I don't know his name"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I heard that Tim Roth decided to do Planet of the Apes"

? gypsycaine says, "i heard that too."

smitster1 says, "Wise and talented man"

flying_ford_anglia says, "instead of playing Snape"

Scrimers99 says, "POTA/"

triner2001 says, "Why are they redoing Planet of the Apes?"

Scrimers99 says, "planet of the apes?"

? babynick34 says, "Chris Columbus is buying one of my climbing frames!"

niamh_o_leary says, "so tim roths not snape?"

? gypsycaine says, "whoa."

triner2001 says, "Isn't the orginal series enough?"

? gypsycaine says, "there's a date for the movie?"

selah_1977 says, "Too bad... he would have been perfect!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "No - they are remaking PotA"

smitster1 says, "I have big problems getting excited about a Harry Potter film. I may be wrong, but...."

Scrimers99 says, "have a site on POTA?"

selah_1977 says, "I am too Smitster!"

? gypsycaine says, "I liked the book better."

flying_ford_anglia says, "No other info"

selah_1977 says, "I have a feeling that they're not going to find Harry in time."

gypsycaine . o O ( the book--PotA )

Scrimers99 says, "ok"

? babynick34 says, "I'm not a great fan of the film idea... as we have discussed here before, a Radio play would be far better."

jenP_97 says, "I don't think I'm going to go see the movie - not until I hear from other people that it's good."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm not keen on the film, but strangely unable to avoid thinking about it"

? gypsycaine says, "I will see the $2 showing prolly."

Scrimers99 says, "books are always better"

niamh_o_leary says, "i am worried about the film i must admit"

triner2001 says, "I'll probably check it out"

Scrimers99 says, "well, it will make plenty of money"

dee_97527 says, "We will not stand in line for the movie"

Scrimers99 says, "if its half decent"

triner2001 says, "but am sure I'll prefer the book-- I always do"

gypsycaine . o O ( $2 for SS )

niamh_o_leary says, "too many things can go awry"

selah_1977 says, "well there have been good children's book-to-movie adaptation... the trick is to find the right child actors/actresses"

Scrimers99 leaves

Scrimers99 enters

jenP_97 says, "I'd camp out for 2 days for the book, but I'd only see the matinee for the movie. I'm not paying $7 to see it."

? gypsycaine says, "Stuart Little didn't transfer well."

flying_ford_anglia says, "It's as interesting as the HP bookends i guess"

smitster1 says, "My town doesn't have a WB store. I shutter to think what it must look like after reading the posts on what they were selling."

p_dumbledore says, "I agree with Nick, I think a radio play.."

niamh_o_leary says, "hollywood is so good at changing things to suit them"

? babynick34 says, "I wonder if Warner bros will send me VIP tickets - I expect not... even though I did mention it for my giving them my domain name with out complaining too much."

jenP_97 says, "Yah, well, I didn't like Stuart Little the book."

? gypsycaine says, "It was cool, alright, but it had too much not in the book."

triner2001 says, "Unless they change a lot of things, like say endings"

? babynick34 says, "I liked the film - Stuart Little - not read the book."

p_dumbledore says, "If they do get a cast of characters, it will be hard to keep them together for 7 movies.. if they do one from each book."

? gypsycaine says, "i didn't like the swearing."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Stuart Little has an English actor playing an American - any comment on his accent/"

selah_1977 says, "What if they don't find the right child actors? The Anne movies were cast well, and so was the recent version of Little Women..."

? gypsycaine says, "why did the cats have to swear?"

niamh_o_leary says, "do you know in england warner bros have no hp merchandise what a scandal"

jenP_97 says, "Which actor?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hugh Laurie"

Your buddy immortal_dragon_evernight is on pager

selah_1977 says, "but I fear the HP movie may be a bomb"

jenP_97 says, "(I haven't seen the movie for ages - who did he play?)"

? babynick34 says, "Hollywood contracts are great like that - if they get first-time actors for the major roles, then 7 year contracts should not be a problem."

Scrimers99 says, "could be"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I'm shocked!"

triner2001 says, "So many expectations"

smitster1 says, "They were bad cats."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I think he was the Dad"

? gypsycaine says, "it was a kids' movie, though."

selah_1977 says, "But will we tire of the franchise after, say, the third movie?"

Scrimers99 says, "well whoever plays hp will get lots of recognition"

flying_ford_anglia says, "i haven't seen it - saw trailers"

? gypsycaine says, "I really didn't like my son imitating the cats, he's only three."

jenP_97 says, "Hm. I think his accent was okay - especially since I didn't notice it - but he *did* sound a bit stiff."

? babynick34 says, "niamh - I complained to their Head Office a good few months back... they said it would be out here in December. They have yet to tell me why there is a delay."

? gypsycaine says, "he did pretty well."

flying_ford_anglia says, "That's bad - and they make a fuss about witchcraft!"

? gypsycaine says, "witchcraft, i am not afraid of."

dee_97527 says, "There are some people who fuss about anything"

triner2001 says, "i think there was swearing in "Antz" as well"

? gypsycaine <-- is a witch

Scrimers99 says, "AVADA KEDAVRA!"

selah_1977 says, "I'm not much for speculating about the movies..."

niamh_o_leary says, "thanks nick, im in PA in september so i will stock up then. For my children of course!!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Oh, we're in good compnay"

? gypsycaine says, "what does that mean, please?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "company"

flying_ford_anglia says, "No Book 4 please!"

selah_1977 says, "Let's go back to fave characters and Percy..."

gypsycaine . o O ( didn't know it was b4. )

? gypsycaine says, "Percy's interesting."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I should have said nothing"

Scrimers99 says, "we're going all over the place"

? gypsycaine says, "he's trying so hard to be like his brothers."

? gypsycaine says, "meanwhile his younger brothers are torturing the school."

smitster1 says, "We've got 11 people!"

niamh_o_leary says, "Percys a pillock but sweet with it"

? gypsycaine says, "and getting into all sorts of trouble, so he tries to keep them in line."

? babynick34 says, "Talking of going... must start thinking about dinner."

Scrimers99 says, "i think ginny will play a bigger role in 5, 6 or 7?"

triner2001 says, "Percy is the mother hen of the Wealey bros. ( and the Weasley sister, too)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "At least one member of the clan had to be a goody two-shoes"

? gypsycaine says, "(family honor)"

selah_1977 says, "Percy is so misunderstood."

smitster1 says, "I haven't listened to the audio version, has anyone else?"

jenP_97 says, "I don't know. I just can't get into Percy at all."

flying_ford_anglia says, "ginny is a bit left out - an afterthought almost"

? gypsycaine says, "if you had brothers like Fred and George, wouldn't you want them in line?"

dee_97527 says, "Percy is the rebel of the Weasley family"

niamh_o_leary says, "he really wants to do the right thing"

triner2001 says, "lol , Diann"

Scrimers99 says, "Percy is mis understoood"

Scrimers99 says, "he tries to do what is best for all"

p_dumbledore says, "I think Percy, is trying compete with his older brothers, and gain the attention of all, Since he wasn't athletic he had to go for smart."

selah_1977 says, "No! Don't curb Fred and George! They're perfect! They just annoy Percy to no end."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Percy could let his hair down a bit"

niamh_o_leary says, "i have the audio for PS"

? gypsycaine says, "i didn't say that I didn't like F&G."

Scrimers99 says, "where is penelope?"

triner2001 says, "Percy is what Hermione would be if seh didn't have haryy and Ron to temper her"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I think he'll join a rock band"

selah_1977 says, "Percy and Hermione seemed similar in PS/SS"

jenP_97 says, "I like Percy okay - and I know he's doing his "best", but I swear, it almost seems like he does no thinking for himself, and that irritates me."

niamh_o_leary says, "percy is noble"

dee_97527 says, "We have all the audios"

selah_1977 says, "Exactly Trina!"

smitster1 says, "From what I heard from brief "checks" of the audio version was the accent that Mr. Dale(sp) have Percy. Percy seemed to have a more upperclass accent than the twins which I thought was odd."

jenP_97 says, "However, I *do* think he'll start thinking for himself in the next 3 books."

jenP_97 says, "He'll have to."

Scrimers99 says, "where is penelope?"

selah_1977 says, "Why don't you like the twins Dee?"

? gypsycaine says, "I could see it though smitster."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Percy is prim and proper - horn-rimmed specs etc - a bit of a clich?"

niamh_o_leary says, "no people strive for a better accent to sound superior"

? gypsycaine says, "I love the twins."

Scrimers99 says, "I love the twins, minnesota twins, weasley twins....."

triner2001 says, "He's had quite the shock in GoF and it'll affect him and his actions"

selah_1977 says, "Oh..."

? gypsycaine says, "I laugh harder for those two than anyone else in the book."

Scrimers99 says, "NO GoF!"

selah_1977 says, "The entire Weasley family is priceless."

flying_ford_anglia says, "JKR likes twins - I think another character will end up having an evil twin..."

selah_1977 says, "We can't discuss GoF, as not everyone here has read it yet..."

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? gypsycaine says, "Ron's using the telephone had me lolling!"

triner2001 says, "I wasn't going to elaborate!"

p_dumbledore says, "Yes, send Ginny back a toilet seat from Hogworts.. priceless"

Scrimers99 says, "i like how when they sent harry a letter covered with stamps"

triner2001 says, "the felly-tone!"

niamh_o_leary says, "do you think they will have london accents or be more regional? the weasleys"

? gypsycaine says, "Harry could hear him even though Vernon answered."

selah_1977 says, "Ginny is adorable... I don't think there's enough room left in the series to make her a major character though... too much other stuff going on... she had her moment in CoS"

flying_ford_anglia says, "The Weasleys are hilarious - Liverpool accents?"

? gypsycaine says, "no one commented, btw, on my selection for Petunia."

jenP_97 says, "That was my first impression, Neil."

Scrimers99 says, "true ginny had her biggest moment"

niamh_o_leary says, "my mother shouts down the phone!!!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Good idea Dee"

Scrimers99 says, "unless something happens with her and Harry"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Joanna Lumley -"

? gypsycaine says, "exactly."

? babynick34 says, ""Honestly, woman, you call yourself our mother? Can't you tell I'm George?" - Fred being cheeky!"

smitster1 says, "JKR brings people into and out of focus as needed. I'm still holding out for more Ginny"

? gypsycaine says, "have you seen James and the Giant Peach?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "She has the horsey teeth"

smitster1 says, "Horrid film"

smitster1 says, "Good book"

selah_1977 says, "AH! I LOVE that scene Nick!!!"

niamh_o_leary says, "joanna lumley will be excellent"

jenP_97 says, "I liked her okay in Cold Comfort Farm..."

? gypsycaine says, "only seen her in the two--Ab Fab, and James."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Molly Weasley is a strong character.."

? gypsycaine says, "she's a good actress, though."

? babynick34 says, "Being able to search the books for text is great... found that by looking for first occurace of George."

triner2001 says, "I love mrs W"

niamh_o_leary says, "i still remember her from the new avengers"

? gypsycaine says, "Who should play her?"

selah_1977 says, "No H/G, please. I hope Harry doesn't end up with anyone... and Mrs. Weasley is a dear"

Scrimers99 says, "what happend to wood?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Lumley played Purdey in the New Avengers and Sapphire in Sapphire and Steel"

Scrimers99 says, "think we'll see him ever again?"

selah_1977 says, "I think Wood graduated in PoA"

niamh_o_leary says, "what about dawn french?"

? gypsycaine says, "New Avengers, the movie?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Dawn French for Sprout or Pomfrey?"

Scrimers99 says, "think we;ll see him at a qudditch game sometime?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "No, the TV series"

? gypsycaine says, "oh."

jenP_97 says, "Haha... Pomfrey, definitely. "

selah_1977 says, "Scrimers--perhaps so."

? gypsycaine says, "what about Ralph watsa name from the movie for Snape?"

triner2001 says, "he was a 7th year in pOa"

triner2001 leaves

triner2001 enters

triner2001 leaves

flying_ford_anglia says, "Fiennes?"

? gypsycaine says, "that's it."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Too dashing"

selah_1977 says, "Nah... Fiennes is not Snape"

jenP_97 says, "nah. Need someone more greasy."

triner2001 enters

niamh_o_leary says, "no fiennes is too noble someone much slimier"

flying_ford_anglia says, "It's a tricky one"

triner2001 says, "Hey, I was booted!"

selah_1977 says, "Roth would have been perfect"

? gypsycaine says, "i can't see him as lupin. or black."

selah_1977 says, "oh well"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Lupin, perhaps"

triner2001 says, "Which Fiennes?"

selah_1977 says, "Well, there's no Lupin or Black in the first movie"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Ralph"

Scrimers99 says, "crabbe and goyle ever become a bigger part?"

magicalhp enters

Scrimers99 says, "hey magic"

? gypsycaine says, "doesn't mean they won't have the sequal. (sp)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "C & G are just extras"

magicalhp says, "Hey "

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hi"

selah_1977 says, "Hi!"

triner2001 says, "He could be Lucius Malfoy"

Scrimers99 says, "i know but the way JK develops everyone...."

magicalhp says, "Cool to see the people whose posts I've been reading!"

niamh_o_leary says, "hello"

smitster1 says, "C&G may more important in future books."

? gypsycaine says, "now there's an idea."

jenP_97 says, "I like him as Lucius."

triner2001 says, "Ralph Fiennes, I mean"

? gypsycaine says, "that sounds right."

jenP_97 says, "Blond him up a bit... that'd be perfect."

smitster1 says, "You can see me?"

selah_1977 says, "Speaking of C&G, I want to like Draco, but JKR makes it really, really hard"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Christopher Walken"

niamh_o_leary says, "yes a good malfoy senior"

? gypsycaine says, "he was no Steel, I know that!"

magicalhp says, "Sort of <g>"

Scrimers99 says, "pansy parkinson malfoys gf?"

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? gypsycaine says, "i keep looking for the good in the boy, he sounds so horrid."

? gypsycaine says, "i was beaten up by people like him."

triner2001 says, "He just spouts off what he's heard at home"

p_dumbledore says, "bad parents... like father like son"

selah_1977 says, ". o O (lost--must watch more movies with Brit actors)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Malfoy is a gift for a young actor - nasty is more fun to play"

selah_1977 says, "That's true Neil..."

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jenP_97 says, "I agree.."

gypsycaine . o O ( combine Hermoine and Harry-that's me, glasses and all) )

? babynick34 says, "Malfoy is an only child isn't he... a bit spoiled as well."

jenP_97 says, "(I was the murderer in my class play in high school - the only part I would agree to play)"

magicalhp says, "Has anyone heard a rumor that the location for Hogwarts has been selected?"

? gypsycaine says, "i am not certain nick."

dee_97527 says, "but Malfoy is not as spoiled as Dudley"

triner2001 says, "Dudley, but thinner"

Scrimers99 says, "still whoever plays malfoy will be hated even in public by kids who dont know better"

? gypsycaine says, "Dudley is a creampuff (at least in shape!)"

smitster1 says, "Malfoy: Don't know yet"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Let's not go there..."

? gypsycaine says, "it specifically said that his behind hung over the kitchen chairs, and that his many chins....."

niamh_o_leary says, "and dudley is just a sap no cruel just stupid"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hogwarts - mostly interiors...perhaps they'll build a set?"

Scrimers99 says, "tell penny to come in"

selah_1977 says, "Don't forget, they could do a lot with computer generated sets"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Dudley is a personification of greed and spoiling"

magicalhp says, "A friend told me a castle called Alnwick (I think) may be Hogwarts in the movie.."

? gypsycaine says, "has anyone seen the DVD of excalibur?"

niamh_o_leary says, "edingburgh castle would be perfect"

triner2001 says, "especially with that disappearing step"

? gypsycaine says, "how they do the tricks?"

magicalhp says, "I need to check out a picture of that niamh"

jenP_97 says, "I want to see the doors that aren't really doors but walls "just pretending""

Scrimers99 says, "malfoy + Dudley=????"

? gypsycaine says, "lol."

magicalhp says, "LOL scary"

? gypsycaine says, "i know the paintings will have to be cg'ed!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "The sets for Elizabeth were great - something like that would be cool"

"echomyst is now away."

? gypsycaine says, "how about Nicol for Dumbledore?"

selah_1977 says, "Isn't it interesting that most of the kids in HP are only children?"

triner2001 says, "Who,Dee?"

? gypsycaine says, "Merlin from Excalibur."

Scrimers99 says, "He who must not be named= Harry+ Malfoy? ha i dont think that is quite equal"

? gypsycaine says, "I have seen his Hamlet. excellent."

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smitster1 says, "I want to see that trick step!"

Scrimers99 says, "well harry is powerful and malfoy is mean so...."

Scrimers99 says, "will we see krum again>"

flying_ford_anglia says, "SFX will be very much in evidence - Quidditch, ghosts, Hagrid etc."

smitster1 says, "Is Harry truely powerful???"

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niamh_o_leary says, "sign of the times selah families are getting smaller"

? gypsycaine says, "i think harry is."

selah_1977 says, "Harry definitely is"

? gypsycaine says, "look at the dementors."

smitster1 says, "selah_1977: How so?"

dee_97527 says, "Harry is very powerful"

Scrimers99 says, "he is almost equal to voldemort"

Scrimers99 says, "Harry= Voldemort?"

Scrimers99 says, "will we see krum again?"

selah_1977 says, "by the end of #7 he'll surpass Voldemort"

triner2001 says, "But the good side, huh"

smitster1 says, "I guess I never really got that impression yet."

magicalhp says, "I've been wondering if Harry is somehow related to Vold"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Harry is like an ueberwizard, as we've hinted before"

? gypsycaine says, "ueber?"

selah_1977 says, "Right Neil..."

Scrimers99 says, "will we see krum again?"

niamh_o_leary says, "we have a show here called dark knight they had a creature on it which looked so much like a dementor would it was great"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Voldemort is also very powerful"

triner2001 says, "I don't want that godd gy related to bad guy thing to happen"

? gypsycaine says, "Dark Knight, the vampire show?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Like a megawizard"

smitster1 says, "megawizard?"

selah_1977 says, "No Star Wars echoes! How cheesy!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "A level up from a regular wizard"

triner2001 says, "way too much like Star Wars"

magicalhp says, "LOL"

niamh_o_leary says, "ueber its german fot ultimate or something"

triner2001 says, "I like SW, but it's been done"

smitster1 says, "But from what example?"

Scrimers99 says, "well guys i had better go, but it was nice talking to you all! I'll try coming next week, in the meantime, i'll keep up to alll the posts! Bye"

niamh_o_leary says, "no dark knight the adventures od ivanhoe"

selah_1977 says, "bye Scrimers!"

magicalhp says, "Take care Scrimmers "

dee_97527 says, "bye scrimers"

triner2001 says, "bye!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "See you er Scrimers"

Scrimers99 says, "yep see ya"

? gypsycaine says, "ohhhh"

p_dumbledore says, "bye"

niamh_o_leary says, "sword and scorcery"

? gypsycaine says, "bye!"

Scrimers99 leaves

niamh_o_leary says, "bye"

? gypsycaine says, "just as long as Lucy Lawless isn't cast in HP!"

magicalhp says, "ROFL!!"

jenP_97 says, "lol!"

selah_1977 says, "I like the recessive gene theory re: Harry... there's only one in so many hundred thousands, or in a generation..."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Who?"

selah_1977 says, "Xena"

gypsycaine . o O ( lol Neil...sorry. )

? gypsycaine says, "(test....not scrolling)"

smitster1 says, "I guess where I was going was Harry's protection from Vold. came from first his mother and then there's possible from Dumbledore"

p_dumbledore says, "Unless she plays the owner of the Pub in the city.."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Yes - it's like... people with gifts, such as musical gifts or artistic gifts. He's the Mozart of maigc..."

selah_1977 says, "I think that there's a little more to Harry than just his mom's protection..."

? babynick34 says, "Edinburgh Castle could make a good location for Hogwarts. See it now at: http://www.camvista.com/scotland/edinburgh/ecastle.php3"

flying_ford_anglia says, "magic that was..."

niamh_o_leary says, "wasnt the owner of the pub a man?"

smitster1 says, "Perhaps, but I won't know until the story develops more."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Madam Rosmerta?"

triner2001 says, "Dad was a pretty strong wizard too"

smitster1 says, "My spelling is off today."

niamh_o_leary says, "thaats what i said nick it would be great wouldnt it"

p_dumbledore says, "Yes.. couldn't remember her name.!!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "the pub at Hogsmeade..."

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jenP_97 says, "I thought you meant Tom the barkeeper."

selah_1977 says, "Hagrid says in SS that James and Lily were the best of their class or something to that effect..."

triner2001 says, "Wrong pub, Jen"

? gypsycaine says, "ROLF"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I agree - as I said in the posts - Edinburgh castle looks the part"

jenP_97 says, "right.... now I know. "

? gypsycaine says, "Head Boy and Head Girl."

niamh_o_leary says, "me too as in POA"

selah_1977 says, "thanks Dee!"

niamh_o_leary says, "diagon alley"

? babynick34 says, "Sun hasen't set in Edinburgh yet... has here nearly."

? gypsycaine says, "btw, what is that?"

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triner2001 says, "what is what?"

? gypsycaine says, "valavictorian (horribly spelled?)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Xena could play ...oops Book 4 - you know who I mean - big girl?"

? gypsycaine says, "head boy and girl...."

niamh_o_leary says, "whats what jen?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Valedictorian?"

jenP_97 says, "huh?"

? gypsycaine says, "thank you."

? babynick34 says, "Back soon... I need to get some food. "

? gypsycaine says, "that is what I meant Neil."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Like the best in class< I guess"

niamh_o_leary says, "right one of each is chosen to sort of be in charge of the prefects etc"

? gypsycaine says, "ok, so what is a prefect?"

? babynick34 says, "BYE for now... back in about 1/2 hour, maybe less."

niamh_o_leary says, "get the elves to send it up nick"

triner2001 says, "see ya nick"

p_dumbledore says, "good eating Nick.. Chinese I'm guessing ?"

smitster1 says, "bye nick"

? gypsycaine says, "I am assuming that Percy's nature isn't that of all prefects."

niamh_o_leary says, "I was a prefect"

babynick34 leaves

dee_97527 leaves

? gypsycaine says, "ok, niamh, so what is it?"

? gypsycaine says, "a hall monitor?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Oh right - a prefect takes on some responsibilities that the teachers might do (discipline etc.)"

niamh_o_leary says, "a certain amount are chosen to patrol corridors keep order etc"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I was a prefect too..."

niamh_o_leary says, "no i was terrible i loved it because i got to stay in when it was cold outside"

flying_ford_anglia says, "not that it means much - I wasn't a valedictorian!"

Your buddy plinsenmayer is in chat

plinsenmayer enters

triner2001 says, "glorified hall monitor, but looks good on a resume,"

? gypsycaine says, "hey!"

p_dumbledore says, "I was just the audio visual guy !! ( I don't see an equil at Hogworts)"

? gypsycaine says, "hi penny."

niamh_o_leary says, "ford was it fun"

jenP_97 says, "(okay, no more illegal conversation!)"

plinsenmayer says, "Hi!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "and the kids ran me ragged... I was the kindly prefect (I.e. the 'mug')"

plinsenmayer says, ""Illegal"? <g>"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hi Penny!"

? gypsycaine says, "i was a library ass't."

triner2001 says, "Hi Penny"

smitster1 says, "Oh nothing, Penny!"

niamh_o_leary says, "and of course you got to wear a badge!!!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "We were all taking drugs..."

jenP_97 says, "hiya, Penny."

magicalhp says, "Here's the castle rumored as a location http://www.alnwickcastle.comhttp://www.alnwickcastle.com/"

p_dumbledore says, "Hi ya Penny"

plinsenmayer says, "Glad to hear you all were up to no good"

jenP_97 says, "gotta take the clothes out of the dryer... brb"

niamh_o_leary says, "i went too an all girls school so i had no grief as a prefect"

plinsenmayer says, "sorry to spoil the fun -- is the other list-mom here? Melanie?"

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gypsycaine . o O ( ack, i am surrounded by catepillars. )

flying_ford_anglia says, "I may have to eat soon... I'll check with my stomach"

niamh_o_leary says, "ford thats terrible where did you go to school?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Melanie is not here"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I went to school in Wellingborough"

plinsenmayer says, "What are we talking about today?"

magicalhp says, "oops strike half of that URL"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Northants"

triner2001 says, "my computer is taking over!"

niamh_o_leary says, "as in herts?"

? gypsycaine says, "brb. chasing child out of fridge."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Northamptonshire"

triner2001 says, "doing weird things that I'm not asking it to do!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "You must be irish originally?"

niamh_o_leary says, "Well we had no drugs in my schoolbut it was in the 70s"

p_dumbledore says, "Dee, I understand that if you put them in the fridge it slows them down considerably and are easier to manage."

niamh_o_leary says, "I am indeed irish from cork"

selah_1977 leaves

flying_ford_anglia says, "Oh, that was a joke about this chat room (not my school!)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "We were discussing Percy and film casting"

niamh_o_leary says, "But I went to school in Essex no joke please"

flying_ford_anglia says, "and other things"

niamh_o_leary says, "and prefects"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Would I jest"

? gypsycaine says, "i would have loved to go to school in essex."

plinsenmayer says, "Separate topics or who will be cast as Percy? I assume the former."

flying_ford_anglia says, "joke"

flying_ford_anglia says, "The former"

flying_ford_anglia says, "and then prefects"

dee_97527 enters

plinsenmayer says, "I *like* Percy -- perhaps I'm in the minority on that?"

niamh_o_leary says, "where are you from gypsy?"

? gypsycaine says, "wb diann"

? gypsycaine says, "ohio"

triner2001 says, "I like him too Penny"

flying_ford_anglia says, "No, I like his bristly nature"

dee_97527 says, "thanks"

niamh_o_leary says, "no i like percy too"

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vivace1320 enters

selah_1977 enters

? gypsycaine says, "me 2"

plinsenmayer says, "I think he adds some humor for one thing -- his pomposity!"

niamh_o_leary says, "hello"

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flying_ford_anglia says, "He tries to be really good and polite, but is probably just as bad as the twins on the inside!"

selah_1977 says, "back!"

vivace1320 says, "hello"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hi"

plinsenmayer says, "Selah -- is that Ebony?"

triner2001 says, "He just tries hard and it comes off pompous"

niamh_o_leary says, "ok essex is the new jersey of england "

plinsenmayer says, "Percy's ambitious but so are the twins & Ron for sure"

flying_ford_anglia says, "He's a sweetie really... "

niamh_o_leary says, "you have jersey girl jokes we have essex girl jokes"

magicalhp says, "LOL"

? gypsycaine says, "so what's wrong with Jersey? Got some friends from there. Just because their family ties are Family ties..."

flying_ford_anglia says, "White high heeled shoes and permed hair?"

triner2001 says, "He just never tempers ambition with fun"

smitster1 says, "Parts of Jersey do kinda smell."

plinsenmayer says, "LOL (re: white shoes)"

magicalhp says, "BIG hair"

jenP_97 says, "hehe"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I think Percy has fun in his bedroom..."

jenP_97 says, "um..."

niamh_o_leary says, "yes ford i have never had either of those i wouldnt dare"

smitster1 says, "But my neck of the woods also smells"

plinsenmayer says, "Ooh do explain what you mean Neil!"

jenP_97 says, "okay, neil."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Big hair - I love that phrase"

p_dumbledore says, "Percy is ambitious but he has no real skills like the twins or his older brothers... so it's easy for him to be the bureaucrat !! and gain his Place in the family from that."

? gypsycaine says, "i can see percy taking over for fudge."

niamh_o_leary says, "now you understand why im quiet about essex!"

selah_1977 says, "Percy's skill is his intelligence... and his obedience to rules"

dee_97527 says, "Percy and fudge seem to be two of a kind"

plinsenmayer says, "Before I get booted off the computer (storm brewing here) -- thoughts on ending GoF spoilers??"

smitster1 says, "He is very good at rules."

triner2001 says, "His almost blind obedience to rules"

niamh_o_leary says, "i think percy wants to be fudge"

selah_1977 says, "Obedience can be a strength"

gypsycaine . o O ( please, a no here, penny. )

flying_ford_anglia says, "Well, he must relax somehow. I bet he makes macram? plant stands, or does that thing boys do in their bedrooms (note the name Percy - i say no more)"

gypsycaine . o O ( i have to wait until my birthday to get my copy, :( ) )

jenP_97 says, "maybe we should wait until after Dee's birthday."

p_dumbledore says, "I don't think that Percy is all that intelligent.. he may be smart, but not intelegent."

niamh_o_leary says, "its way too hot here really muggy"

jenP_97 says, "to end the spoilers, that is."

selah_1977 says, "LOL Neil! Stop it!"

plinsenmayer says, "When's your birthday Dee?"

? gypsycaine says, "my birthday is August 29th."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Penny - we're avoiding GoF because GypsyCaine hasn't read it yet"

plinsenmayer says, "Macrame? Like from the 1970s?"

selah_1977 says, "Wow! Mine is August 11th."

? gypsycaine says, "a tuesday."

niamh_o_leary says, "percy is a very nice name LOL"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Macram? - whenever you fancy it!"

gypsycaine . o O ( i keep thinking of the dog in pocohantus. )

p_dumbledore says, "gosh and mine is the 16th.. (Elvis Death Day)"

magicalhp says, "I don't think he's very streetwise either"

niamh_o_leary says, "i had an uncle perce"

vivace1320 says, "well, he did get all those OWLs. he can't be completely untalented"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Mine is 13th May"

jenP_97 says, "ouch, the yellow burns my eyes!"

plinsenmayer says, "I don't mind avoiding discussing GoF -- but we should keep spoilers on until end of August then? We've had some lapses & I just want to know whether to beat up on people!"

dee_97527 says, "Mine is may 30"

jenP_97 says, "(of course, the green does, too)"

magicalhp says, "Mine is 31 January"

triner2001 says, "18th September"

selah_1977 says, "Hi Penny! I didn't see you before!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Yes, Vivace - turn it down!"

jenP_97 says, "22 May"

? gypsycaine says, "i know there are others who haven't read it yet, Penny."

vivace1320 says, "yellow? this is yellow."

niamh_o_leary says, "17 july"

smitster1 says, "Mine is 31 October. A most excellent HP birthday (plus, last year it was 25 hours)"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Eeek !"

? gypsycaine says, "how aobut this?"

dee_97527 says, "the first of Sept sounds good Penny"

plinsenmayer says, "Ooh, it's very yellow!! Ouch!"

triner2001 says, "I can't read that !"

? gypsycaine says, "is this too bright, Neil."

smitster1 says, "Can't read yellow!"

jenP_97 says, "no!"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Can't see it"

? gypsycaine chuckles wickedly!

triner2001 says, "the yellow, I mean"

p_dumbledore says, "Yeech yellow, cant see it.."

flying_ford_anglia says, "How's my purple?"

dee_97527 says, "no yellow"

? gypsycaine says, "back to my blend."

triner2001 says, "loverly, Neil"

magicalhp says, "purple is good from here"

vivace1320 says, "hmmm, red."

plinsenmayer says, "Purple's fine. Yellow -- can't read"

niamh_o_leary says, "like the purple"

dee_97527 says, "nothing wrong with purple"

smitster1 says, "And I thought the colors were automagic"

selah_1977 says, "I had a couple of people on ignore... wanted to say that Penny--you've convinced me about your theory... "

flying_ford_anglia says, "Why are purple and green so common in wizard robes?"

selah_1977 says, "ignore by mistake, I mean... my computer's going nuts"

plinsenmayer says, "I saw I convinced you Ebony -- I was pleased! "

gypsycaine . o O ( they are my favorite colors. )

magicalhp says, "I love purple and green togther"

? gypsycaine says, "here's a aside thought."

magicalhp says, "ditto gypsy"

? gypsycaine says, "about robes."

plinsenmayer says, "Weren't purple & green the preppy colors of the 80s?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "What has Selah been ignoring?"

triner2001 says, "mint green and pink were preppy colors"

niamh_o_leary says, "purple and green are sort of regal colours are they not?"

? gypsycaine says, "when we grad over here, we wear the robes."

? gypsycaine says, "over our clothes."

jenP_97 says, "All the preps I knew wore day-glow shirts... polos, especially."

? gypsycaine says, "they aren't heavy, like a nylony material."

plinsenmayer says, "purple & green -- religious significance too."

triner2001 says, "with the collars turned up!"

? gypsycaine says, "i wore polos."

magicalhp says, "ARent they also color opposites?"

? gypsycaine frowns.

selah_1977 says, "My computer had three people on ignore when I got back in here... and I'm also known as Ebony... my real firsr name! :"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I had black robes with pale blue and sunshine yellow shoulder thingly"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Why did it do that Ebony?"

dee_97527 says, "my robes were purple"

triner2001 says, "shoulder thi ngy, more specific please!"

plinsenmayer says, "Consensus: GoF spoilers continue for another month?"

selah_1977 says, "It's an idiot, Neil... my computer, I mean..."

niamh_o_leary says, "where did you go to uni ford?"

? gypsycaine says, "couldn't Harry have the same thing?"

smitster1 says, "Vote No"

niamh_o_leary says, "ok no gof"

selah_1977 says, "Yes, spoilers until September"

flying_ford_anglia says, "It's like a scarf you toss over the shoulders - a bit camp for academia, if you ask me"

jenP_97 says, "I agree to the spoiler, but darnit, Dee, you'd better read your copy fast! "

? gypsycaine says, "why else would he keep having the scarlett cape-like for the covers, jeans, and t-shirts."

? gypsycaine says, "jen, dear."

jenP_97 says, "hehe."

? gypsycaine says, "I started CoS at ten Frid."

? gypsycaine says, "and ended PoA at 5 am!"

jenP_97 says, "I know. Just being silly."

selah_1977 says, "I keep on seeing the robes as medieval styled lab coats... don't ask me why."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I went to Coventry Polytechnic - so we only wore robes for graduation day!"

triner2001 says, "speed read, baby! :-)"

jenP_97 says, "Besides, once you start, you won't stop until the end, so it's not like you'll be in any danger."

? gypsycaine says, "i didn't mean to read so fast."

plinsenmayer says, "Purple hoods for lawyer grads over here"

? gypsycaine says, "I only meant to read the first chapter of PoA."

magicalhp says, "What did you study there ford?"

? gypsycaine says, "ours are based on the place you grad from."

niamh_o_leary says, "yep same at city university ive only ever seen them in black over here as well"

selah_1977 says, "You can't just read one HP chapter at a sitting! Impossible! "

? gypsycaine says, "school colors."

triner2001 says, "Can't be done- just one chapter"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Purple hoods - like Dementors?"

smitster1 says, "If you thought you were reading the book fast, wait 'til you start on 4k of messages"

? gypsycaine says, "i know."

vivace1320 says, "dementors have black hoods"

selah_1977 says, "What colors are the Dementors' robes?"

? gypsycaine says, "that's why i was awake at 5am."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I studied Biological Sciences"

niamh_o_leary says, "with the scarf thing "

flying_ford_anglia says, "Okay - that was a joke.."

magicalhp says, "Is that what you do now?"

plinsenmayer says, "No, I don't think like dementors. They called the grad ceremony "hooding" but like scarf things more than anything as I recall."

? gypsycaine says, "can't wait to read chapter one of 4!"

? gypsycaine says, "after floating aunt marge, the d's are gonna kill Harry!"

selah_1977 says, "I'm just about ready to send you my copy of #4, Dee,!"

? gypsycaine says, "LOL."

jenP_97 says, "Me too."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Not really - although I still use my science sometimes (I'm more a toxicologist)"

? gypsycaine says, "Kara's got it, she just doesn't think I deserve it yet."

jenP_97 says, "I have two. Would you like the Brit or American version? "

? gypsycaine says, "Brit."

? gypsycaine says, "but that's ok."

selah_1977 says, "<---- jealous of Jen"

plinsenmayer says, "Tell your friend that hundreds of Yahoo members demand she give it to you early."

flying_ford_anglia says, "...and an administrator I suppose"

selah_1977 says, "LOL, Penny!"

jenP_97 says, "It was cheaper than my US copy."

magicalhp says, "That's cool"

jenP_97 says, "Even with the airmail shipping."

? gypsycaine says, "I sat on her glasses, so she is a little upset with me."

magicalhp says, "Sooooo do you make toxins? <g>"

smitster1 says, "I was under the impression that the editions of #4 were the same."

triner2001 says, "maybe we can flood your friend with e-mail, demanding she let you have it"

? gypsycaine says, "katerinaugusta at yahoo.com"

? gypsycaine says, "lol"

selah_1977 says, "Do you think we've exhausted Percy this week?"

smitster1 says, "Someone caught the reference to Dumbledore's office password error in the US version of book #4"

flying_ford_anglia says, "No - I am not a poisoner. I used to work as a Biochemist in a Poisons Lab... these days I deal with one poison - alcohol"

jenP_97 says, "They're not exactly the same, but they're more similar than 1-3."

triner2001 says, "I noticed less US isms in this one"

magicalhp says, "Oh ok"

plinsenmayer says, "Melanie's kicking off Ginny discussions tomorrow"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I think they had less time to US-ise it"

jenP_97 says, "That's probably the real reason."

smitster1 says, "And proof it"

triner2001 says, "which I prefer"

plinsenmayer says, "I think they got the word that we all didn't want it Americanized"

? gypsycaine says, "did anyone else get a copy of PoA that was fading in and out about once a chapter?"

jenP_97 says, "I'd prefer to believe that they listened to us and stopped "dumbing down" for us."

selah_1977 says, "Great! Ginny Week! Now we'll get all the H/G discussion... uh-oh..."

triner2001 says, "the less americanizing the better"

p_dumbledore says, "Neil probably has a secret cabinet full of: Eye of Newt, tongue of lizard, and other potions !!"

? gypsycaine says, "thinks it was PoA."

jenP_97 says, "hahaha."

smitster1 says, "Americanized no, proofed would still be good. Perhaps future editions of Book 4 will be corrected"

selah_1977 says, "Narnia wasn't Americanized to my knowledge... why should HP?"

niamh_o_leary says, "I have an american copy of the first one and i hate when they use mom it totally cahnges the way i hear the charecters in my head"

flying_ford_anglia says, "I do... under lock and key. I will audition for Snape I think.."

triner2001 says, "I never had trouble understanding Narnia as a 6th grader"

p_dumbledore says, "ha!"

magicalhp says, "LOL!"

? gypsycaine says, "i read Narnia as 3rd...lol."

timjlittle enters

smitster1 says, "I wouldn't know which version I read. I think I got the gist of it."

plinsenmayer says, "Proofed would be good. I'll raise Skimmel's theory he told me yesterday -- he thinks it was written too fast & has too many inconsistencies or plot problems. Can't discuss though since Dee's friend has her book under lock & key"

magicalhp says, "I was hoping he had a private stash of interesting mixtures"

babynick34 enters

? gypsycaine says, "you should have heard her unwrapping the thing."

selah_1977 says, "AH!!! Penny, I'd love to disagree with Skimmel..."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I had a copy of the French PS from Doriane (swapped for GoF)"

p_dumbledore says, "How was dinner Nick ?"

? gypsycaine says, "wb nick."

niamh_o_leary says, "what did you have nick?"

? gypsycaine says, "she was going off on how thick it was on the phone."

plinsenmayer says, "Skimmel IM'd me from Moscow -- says he'll be back next week & you can disagree with him then."

triner2001 says, "wb, Nick"

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

? babynick34 says, "Hi... dinner is here with me right now... just got back from the Chinese."

? gypsycaine says, "i grinned, and said "734 pages thick, right?""

flying_ford_anglia says, "I guess they had to change some things for the French version..."

dee_97527 says, "sounds good"

jenP_97 says, "Fast trip, huh?"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Nick - I'm hungry now!"

selah_1977 says, "Chinese... yem..."

selah_1977 says, "yum I mean"

niamh_o_leary says, "ah nothing like good old home cooked food ay"

? babynick34 says, "Home cooking... no time for that, need time to chat."

jenP_97 says, "I think I'd better go make my daughter (and myself) lunch."

flying_ford_anglia says, "I prefer to use a wand for cooking"

jenP_97 says, "I'll be back in a little bit."

selah_1977 says, "LOL Nick! My sentiments exactly!"

triner2001 says, "me too Neil"

selah_1977 says, "take care Jen"

Your buddy hime_alyianna_kage is in chat and on pager

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia is in chat

Your buddy nightfall06 is in games

Your buddy plinsenmayer is in chat and on pager

Your buddy babynick34 is in chat

flying_ford_anglia says, "but I'm not a wizard [minor detail]"

jenP_97 leaves

triner2001 says, "see ya Jen"

niamh_o_leary says, "see you soon jen"

? babynick34 says, "see ya Jen"

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

p_dumbledore says, "changed to French..?? One of my French friends said it was originally written in French !! :=)"

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

selah_1977 says, "I live at home still... Mom's cooking... and chatting online upstairs"

? gypsycaine says, "used to wish I was one."

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

triner2001 says, "sort of gets in the way, eh, Neil"

niamh_o_leary says, "i make my husband cook tea on sundays itss my afternoon off"

? babynick34 says, "What... HP wasn't written in french."

? gypsycaine says, "that's right."

? gypsycaine says, "your tea is our supper."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Written in french? No - but they have some of Hagrid's lines being spoken by Ron!"

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

selah_1977 says, "I've head the translations are bad."

Your buddy immortal_dragon_evernight is on pager

magicalhp says, "I've heard that too"

plinsenmayer says, "Can anyone make a plausible connection of each of the 4 houses to each of the 4 UK countries? I was wondering about that earlier today"

flying_ford_anglia says, "It looks okay, but I'm not French"

niamh_o_leary says, "yes i guess although we have supper too as a late meal"

vivace1320 leaves

vivace1320 enters

Your buddy immortal_dragon_evernight has gone off pager

? babynick34 says, "How strange...I wonder what would happen if it was just translated word for word, probably sound a bit odd."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Possibly - Gryffindor would be Wales"

niamh_o_leary says, "no plins sorry"

? babynick34 says, "No supper for me tonight, run out of Tony the Tiger"

niamh_o_leary says, "i agree with that one ford"

flying_ford_anglia says, "Ravenclaw - Scotland"

? gypsycaine says, "lol"

selah_1977 says, "What about Ravenclaw for Scotland?"

selah_1977 says, "oh, Neil beat me to it "

vivace1320 leaves

plinsenmayer says, "So far, these were my thoughts. Had a hard time with Hufflepuff."

flying_ford_anglia says, "Hufflepuff - England and (sorry Niamh) Slytherin - Ireland?"

niamh_o_leary says, "now you are stuck ford who too upset most england or ireland"

selah_1977 says, "Do you think Slytherin is Ireland?"

? babynick34 says, "Hufflepuff could be The South West?#"

plinsenmayer says, "Ireland has no snakes, right? So, can Slytherin be Ireland?"

ni


From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 18:12:54 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:12:54 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat 7-30-00 Using Cheetachat.
References: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com> <01f401c0104b$49261cc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <022801c0104f$f790d9e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <023c01c01050$f0040fc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <024e01c01052$6c2b17a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 301

This is rather interesting, reading the two chats.  I just wish I wouldn't have missed the last one!  (Went out with mom, and didn't feel well when I got back... aka didn't get to save the chat text.  That's an advantage of cheeta, you can save the whole text to share with someone else.  In roleplaying, they save the chat to prove that the person legally died (was killed/murdered/assassinated/dueled to the death...) when that said person says NO, I did not, you attacked me illegally.  (I would hate to have the role of Keeper of the Scrolls, argh... which is what that position was called in my old chatroom realm in Romance/E&A).  There was a team of them, and they had to decide who did what legally.  I think that's why Cheetachat was invented, lol!

Ok, rambling on.  I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes by reposting what they said in chat.  I did make mention during the chat that I was going to save it.

Penny, Melanie, you're the lawyers?  Do I have to make a "legal" macro about "this chat is being recorded" lol or do I just post that in the club (since almost all of us are going to use the club gateway into the room) and have that be the legal mumbo?

:)
Dee    



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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 18:14:40 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:14:40 -0400
Subject: Favorite Character, from 7-30 chat...
References: <8obi15+in2u@eGroups.com> <01f401c0104b$49261cc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <022801c0104f$f790d9e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <023c01c01050$f0040fc0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <025601c01052$abaedba0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 302

? gypsycaine says, "I love Harry, but for second fav's, McGonagall or Lupin."

That's sure changed since GoF!  LOL> now, it's Sirius, esp since Alik found out that Sirius WAS DRAWN THAT WAY, to paraphrase Roger Rabbit.

Lupin is a close third, tho....

:D

Dee



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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sun Aug 27 18:58:14 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:58:14 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Another egroups techie question
References: <8obi9h+28lt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A964C5.31563BFD@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 303



Nick Mitchell wrote:

>
> I wonder what domain names are available!

We, as a group, actually have a registration for THETHREEBROOMSTICKS.COM,
which I got a few weeks ago. The thinking behind that one? We're adults,
thus we can enjoy a trip to the "pub" now & then.
We just need somewhere to host it.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 27 19:32:39 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:32:39 -0000
Subject: Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <8oalnq+ld06@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8obqcn+a4ut@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 304

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, anglinsbees at y... wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Joywitch " <joym999 at a...> wrote:
> > 
> > I have been wondering how a country the size of Luxemburg can 
> > have a Quidditch team good enough to beat Englands national team 
>
> Well, remember that Luxomburg is a wealthy little country- (snip)
> Perhaps they can afford to hire the very best professionals?

If it's like Muggle soccer football World Cup and Muggle 
Olympics, there are rules about the players being citizens or 
nationals or some such of the country they represent: NOT 
residents, as many of them play pro in other, richer, countries 
during the regular season.

But all a country needs to sweep Quidditch is SEVEN fabulous players 
on seven fabulous brooms. Luxembourg's wealth can help with the 
brooms (that's always my problems with the idea of Quidditch), 
but the players might just be siblings from ONE FAMILY, just 
the Marsalis family in jazz.




From Joy_Wotton at msn.com  Sun Aug 27 15:48:05 2000
From: Joy_Wotton at msn.com (Joy Wotton)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:48:05 +0100
Subject: Hullo
Message-ID: <024501c01064$e1244b00$cc9abc3e@joy>

No: HPFGUIDX 305

Another one of Penny's recruits reporting for duty, sah!

Children's non-fiction book editor (Incas, Assyrians, Machines, i.e. nothing
ever studied at Hogwarts) and editor of New Chalet Club Journal and Mixed
Moss (Arthur Ransome Society). Great fan of the Chalet School books,
Charlotte Yonge, Dianna Wynne Jones, John Verney, earlier Darkover stuff,
any novel by George Macdonald but not his poetry please, and currently
hooked on novels of Catherine Fox.

Still anxious to know if Dumbledore's brother (the one who had a thing about
goats) is a Voldemort supporter.

Joy

still lurkingon harrypotteranonymous because sadly I get a kick out of
belonging to a group with such a name.






From summers.65 at osu.edu  Sun Aug 27 21:20:17 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:20:17 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
Message-ID: <v02140b23b5cf36576aba@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 306

>--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:
>, but I'm planning to at some point refer to wizard
>contraception...something that either person would wear around their
>neck or wrist  or something.
>>
>> Lori
>
>
>Um...do you really think THATS the right way?! <VBG>
>
>Is that what Harry and Allegra did?  No wonder I suspect that it
>didn't work!
>
Now, what does THAT mean?  You think there's a green-eyed kid with a
penchant for sarcastic one-liners and evil running around?

Lori...not a bad idea, actually...


**********************************************************
Lori   "Princess of Insufficent Light"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Austin Powers" Soundtrack
Current book: "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich
***********************************************************





From summers.65 at osu.edu  Sun Aug 27 21:22:43 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:22:43 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Wizard Contraception (was Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age)))
Message-ID: <v02140b25b5cf36f48f82@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 307


<snerk>

Alicia, I love it.  Not that continuity is important in these imaginings
but a tiny point...their relationship was seven years ago.  Pretty old
baby.  :-)

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "Princess of Insufficent Light"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Austin Powers" Soundtrack
Current book: "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich
***********************************************************





From summers.65 at osu.edu  Sun Aug 27 21:31:39 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:31:39 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Hullo
Message-ID: <v02140b28b5cf38a1f46a@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 308

>Another one of Penny's recruits reporting for duty, sah!
>
>Children's non-fiction book editor (Incas, Assyrians, Machines, i.e. nothing
>ever studied at Hogwarts) and editor of New Chalet Club Journal and Mixed
>Moss (Arthur Ransome Society). Great fan of the Chalet School books,
>Charlotte Yonge, Dianna Wynne Jones, John Verney, earlier Darkover stuff,
>any novel by George Macdonald but not his poetry please, and currently
>hooked on novels of Catherine Fox.
>
>Still anxious to know if Dumbledore's brother (the one who had a thing about
>goats) is a Voldemort supporter.
>
>Joy
>
Hello Joy!  Vilkommen.  Non-fiction book editor, eh?  Fabulous!

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 20:38:42 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:38:42 -0000
Subject: Chat hell...
Message-ID: <8obu8i+q01d@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 309

Well, I got stuck trying to enter the chat room here, *and* in the 
Yahoo club.  I don't usually have any trouble, but I am on a 
different computer this evening (and I think these work computers 
have some sort of horrible security measures in place).

Sorry to have missed you all... but I really should have been working 
anyway :)

Neil







From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 27 20:40:10 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:40:10 -0000
Subject: Litter of Werewolves
In-Reply-To: <8oammg+a35q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8obuba+94pr@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 310

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, anglinsbees at y... wrote:

> So If a female werewolf conceived or bore her children in wolf
form, 
> couldn't they be dominantly wolf?

There are a lot of European and Japanese folk tales about the noble 
lord's beautiful young wife was expecting to give him an heir, but 
instead birthed a litter of fox cubs (Japan) or wolf cubs (Europe), 
which caused the husband to instantly do something ranging from 
divorcing her and the cubs to killing her and the cubs.

In Japan, that makes sense, as the shapeshifter is a fox who turns 
into human form at will. In Europe, it does not make sense, since the 
shapeshifter is a human who turns into a wolf at certain moonphases, 
and if it isn't the moonphase for the mother to be a wolf, how can it 
be the moonphase for the child to be a wolf? .... Unless they are 
implying that the father was a wolf instead of the husband!

However, I have become attached to believing that female werewolves 
cannot bear live children because the monthly shape-shifting is too 
hard on the fetus.

> What about other shape-shifters?  What would happen if a female 
> animagus transformed while pregnant?  The Child would have to be 
> transformed too... Wouldn't it?

I believe the Animagus shape-shifter (and Transfiguration 
shape-shifts, like 'someone had turned his friend into a badger') are 
much different from were-ism. That way, the fetus can transform back 
and forth without being harmed.

But what if she gave birth while in animal form? What if the 
father was in animal form at the important moment?  
> 
> Maybe crookshanks is a product of such mixed magics.......

You may be right!





From klaatu at primenet.com  Sun Aug 27 21:04:17 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:04:17 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Litter of Werewolves
In-Reply-To: <8obuba+94pr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEFMCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 311

>>>>>>
> What about other shape-shifters?  What would happen if a female
> animagus transformed while pregnant?  The Child would have to be
> transformed too... Wouldn't it?

But what if she gave birth while in animal form? What if the
father was in animal form at the important moment?
>
> Maybe crookshanks is a product of such mixed magics.......
<<<<<<<

OMIGOD!  Crookshanks is the child of Minerva McGonagall, conceived while she
was running around as a kitty!




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 27 21:10:32 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:10:32 -0000
Subject: Wizard Contraception
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEFICAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <8oc048+7u45@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 312

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote:

> Is this like those talismans that Muggle men wear on their... um... 
> magic wands?

I think it was Ebony who recommended 'Son of Scabbers' (on 
fanfiction.net ) as a very funny raunchy MWPP story. Your post 
reminded me to echo that recommendation -- I read it yesterday and 
laughed so much so loud that Tim said it was hard for him, in the 
other room, to hear his TV.

 




From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Sun Aug 27 21:17:12 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:12 -0000
Subject: Litter of Werewolves
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEFMCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <8oc0go+d0d5@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 313

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> > OMIGOD!  Crookshanks is the child of Minerva McGonagall, 
conceived while she > was running around as a kitty!

I love it!  Minerva gave birth to a persian, pushed in face and 
everything.

(Not that I think its true, but its very amusing to think about.)

Vicki




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 21:19:22 2000
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:19:22 -0000
Subject: Hullo
In-Reply-To: <024501c01064$e1244b00$cc9abc3e@joy>
Message-ID: <8oc0kq+ivc@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 314

> Still anxious to know if Dumbledore's brother (the one who had a 
thing about
> goats) is a Voldemort supporter.


Certainly not!  We goats don't go with guys like that.  And besides, 
Aberforth isn't exactly the big V.'s type.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/aberforths_goat
------------------------------------

Don't forget to visit my luscious cousins over at the Naked Dancing 
Lama Homepage:
http://www.frolic.org/
Get 'em while they're hot!
http://goats.clemson.edu/
Who said a goat can't get religion?
http://astrology.yahoo.com/astrology2/chinese/goat.html

------------------------------------

Very Important Disclaimers

Part 1: I'm not really a goat.  Usually, I don't even smell like one.
Part 2: This handle is not meant to encourage improper behavior with 
goats.  In fact, my creator is a well-mannered anabaptist theologian 
with a wife and two children, and he feels a little sheepish about 
this whole business.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 27 21:22:32 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:22:32 -0000
Subject: Chat hell...
In-Reply-To: <8obu8i+q01d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oc0qo+haiv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 315

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Flying Ford Anglia" neilward at d...> 
wrote:
> Well, I got stuck trying to enter the chat room here, *and* in the 
> Yahoo club.

When I told the people in chat, they all said "Poor Neil" and "it 
must be that firewall".




From particle at urbanet.ch  Sun Aug 27 21:23:16 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:23:16 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Litter of Werewolves
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEFMCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <002401c0106d$0429c5a0$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 316

Hi everyone:

I know that as a newbie who just joined a few hours ago, I should technically be in Preliminary Lurk-Mode, but I just really, really wanted to say that it's extremely cool meeting someone else who actually knows what a kitsune is. Er, FYI, a kitsune is a Japanese fox shape-shifter, like the ones that Rita mentioned in her Litter of Werewolves post. They're all female, as far as I know.

And I think that the Crookshanks idea is really funny, too. Although I have another pet theory for him...but never mind. 

By the way, my name is Firebolt, I am a mature 15 year old, and I joined because I was tired of hearing all sorts of cool things second-hand from Blaise. And normally I don't talk like a ditz.

Okay, am heading back to Lurkdom...see you all in a few days...

~Firebolt



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From dorband at uwp.edu  Sun Aug 27 21:30:25 2000
From: dorband at uwp.edu (Badgers' Kin)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:30:25 -0000
Subject: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
In-Reply-To: <v02140b23b5cf36576aba@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8oc19h+knkl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 317


> >
> >Is that what Harry and Allegra did?  No wonder I suspect that it
> >didn't work!
> >
> Now, what does THAT mean?  You think there's a green-eyed kid with a
> penchant for sarcastic one-liners and evil running around?
> 
> Lori...not a bad idea, actually...
> 


Yeah, actually, I thought (think) that's where the story is going - 
but I like it!  I will continue to guess, if you will continue to 
write.

badger




From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Sun Aug 27 21:32:51 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:32:51 -0000
Subject: Threats.....
In-Reply-To: <003d01c01030$73ffea40$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8oc1e3+8hp3@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 318

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> I do recall seeing someone had changed the clubs' description line 
to similar words like he posted in our club in clubs that had died, 
Vicki.  I don't know the how, but it's a bit disturbing.
> 
> :(
> Dee


OK.  That is extremely disturbing, then, if he/she was able to do 
such a thing.  It implies either a very good hacker, or someone who 
is extremely well connected in Yahoo.  Either is really dangerous.  
Did you email anyone at Yahoo to try to get them to deal with the 
threat?

Am I correct in thinking that only a founder should be able to change 
a club description?

vicki




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 27 21:40:05 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:40:05 -0000
Subject: Litter of Werewolves
In-Reply-To: <002401c0106d$0429c5a0$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>
Message-ID: <8oc1rl+eheg@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 319

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Firebolt" wrote:

> a kitsune is a Japanese fox shape-shifter

I play in a Lands-of-Adventure:Japan frp campaign that had already 
been going on for ten years when I joined it fifteen years ago (and 
I, at 42, was the youngest player until Kay's daughter Vicki 
recently joined) and the Player Characters include a White Fox 
(male) who is a messenger from Inari, *several* cats (one of whom, 
Cinnabar, made the great statement: "it's a trap, let's go in it!"), 
and a 'badger', whom SMITHSONIAN magazine says is really a 
fruit-dog.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 21:41:19 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:41:19 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Threats.....
References: <8oc1e3+8hp3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <031c01c0106f$89d31420$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 320

Vicki,
you are correct, and no, I didn't tell yahoo.  Figured someone else had already.

Shrugs.

Dee

Not certain how they did that.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Merriman Vicki 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:32 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Threats.....


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
  > I do recall seeing someone had changed the clubs' description line 
  to similar words like he posted in our club in clubs that had died, 
  Vicki.  I don't know the how, but it's a bit disturbing.
  > 
  > :(
  > Dee


  OK.  That is extremely disturbing, then, if he/she was able to do 
  such a thing.  It implies either a very good hacker, or someone who 
  is extremely well connected in Yahoo.  Either is really dangerous.  
  Did you email anyone at Yahoo to try to get them to deal with the 
  threat?

  Am I correct in thinking that only a founder should be able to change 
  a club description?

  vicki


  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com





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From lrcjestes at msn.com  Sun Aug 27 22:06:43 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:06:43 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
References: <v02140b1fb5cef6e582c5@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <007201c01073$50c75ca0$56ac153f@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 321


> Uh...well, not to give out any spoilers, but I'm planning to at some point
> refer to wizard contraception.  I'm thinking a talisman would be a good
> thing, something that either person would wear around their neck or wrist
> or something.
>

I'm thinking definitely more of a charm or spell...talisman's would be
rather cumbersome, and how available would they be?....too many
questions....but could you really see professor flitwick teaching that
charm?....

carole






From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Sun Aug 27 22:38:02 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:38:02 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris/Dumbledore
Message-ID: <8oc58a+jacf@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 322

People have suggested that Richard Harris isn't a good enough actor 
to play Dumbledore, but no one has suggested another problem I see.

He's just too old to take on the role.  It would be easier to choose 
a slighter younger man and make him up to look older.  After all, 
he'll have to have long white hair and beard anyway.

I don't know how old he is, but in real life Mr. Harris looks _very_ 
old.  I don't think he will survive to make all the movies.  He 
already looks as if he's got a foot in the grave.  So, IMO, they 
should have started with a younger actor, or at least one who looks 
healthier, like Patrick Stewart.  However, Patrick Stewart doesn't, 
to my knowledge ever wear a wig for a role, so maybe he didn't want 
to start now even for the role of Dumbledore.

vicki




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 27 22:48:02 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:48:02 -0000
Subject: Litter of Werewolves
In-Reply-To: <8oc0go+d0d5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oc5r2+5o1u@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 323

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Merriman Vicki" wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote:
> > OMIGOD!  Crookshanks is the child of Minerva McGonagall, 
> > conceived while she > was running around as a kitty!
> 
> I love it!  Minerva gave birth to a persian, pushed in face and 
> everything.

I guess that implies that the father was a Persian --- is such a 
pregnancy 40 days like a cat or 9 monhts like a human?  One train of
thought suggests that nine months of pregnancy, and the difficulty of 
hiding it from her students and explaining it to her friends would 
influence her to remember to go into human form when she goes into 
labor. Another train of thought wonders if it makes a different 
if the father was a full-time cat or an Animagus?

While yet a third train of thought wonders why an English child (or 
writer) would think that a bowlegged cat with a pushed-in (Persian 
style) face is ugly? That's normal for them!

I have learned from my cat books that the British Shorthair is a 
weird looking critter, not at all like a normal cat like American 
Shorthair. THEY LIKE the 'flat' face (like a bulldog! is that why 
they like it, the British bulldog?) and 'cobby' physique, and are 
convinced that 'tabby' means blotch tabby and there's something novel 
about nice normal tiger stripes.

At least one book explained that there was a shortage of alley cats 
in Britain after WWII (I hesitate to speculate that people suffering 
from rationing ATE them) so some people 'recovered' the breed of 
free-roaming British Shorthairs by mixing them with pedigreed 
Persians.




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 22:49:18 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:49:18 -0000
Subject: Wizard Contraception (was a whole lot of other stuff)
In-Reply-To: <007201c01073$50c75ca0$56ac153f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <8oc5te+eb73@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 324

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "lrcjestes" <lrcjestes at m...> wrote:
> I'm thinking definitely more of a charm or spell...talisman's would 
be
> rather cumbersome, and how available would they be?....too many
> questions....but could you really see professor flitwick teaching 
that
> charm?....

Actually, I *could*... and just had a great laugh over it.  Great 
humor fanfic idea.

Seriously, though, I am sure there must be *something* out there.  As 
I told the PoU list last week, according to Hyphen, there is a 
wizarding version of the Kama Sutra.  (Few things can make me drop my 
mouth open.  *That* particular reference did.)

I do agree with the talisman idea.  Perhaps the talisman is very 
expensive.  Or perhaps it is considered a bit of Dark Magic, 
something that respectable folk shun (didn't someone here recently 
say this milieu seems semi-medieval in some ways?).  That would 
explain the Weasley's automatic Quidditch team of silbings.  It would 
also explain why James and Lily had a child at the worst possible 
time.

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 23:01:01 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:01:01 -0000
Subject: That Infamous Health-Class Talk... Hogwarts Style!
In-Reply-To: <007201c01073$50c75ca0$56ac153f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <8oc6jd+lns8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 325

Hello:

I can *so* see this-- the boys in the fifth-year class are sent out 
to play Quidditch while the girls are administered that infamous 
contraception-and-womanhood talk.  I can't imagine Flitwick giving 
that lecture, though-- but the thought of McGonagall teaching that 
particular branch of magic to the girls brings tears to my eyes.  
Something along the Snape-Parkinson scene posted a bit ago, but on a 
larger scale.  Lavender and Parvati giggle throughout.

And then, the next day, the girls are sent out of the room, while 
Snape *muffles a snicker* has to lecture the boys 
on "responsibility".  Of course, 15 is a tad too late to start 
teaching these things and they know all about the "goblins and 
gnomes" already... but Ron, seeing the opportunity to simultaneously 
embarrass and annoy Snape without consequences, takes the liberty of 
asking about *everything* in full-on detail.  But poor, poor 
Neville!  He'll be forever confused and will grow up thinking that 
the baby comes from the Goblin Fairy.

(All right, weird, I know.  But keep in mind that the above message 
was written by the girl who fell asleep during the sixth-grade sex ed 
films and caused the health department considerable distress.  

"How on Earth is Sue supposed to find these things out without 
watching our archaic, outdated films from the Stone Age?  Whatever 
shall we do?")

Yeah, I'm going to shut up now. ^_^

*
--Alicia/Sue "Haircolor Chameleon" Spinnet

"Ever notice that 'what the hell' is usually the right decision?"

Last Movie Seen: "Elizabeth"
Discman's Spinning: "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack
Current Book: "She's Come Undone", Wally Lamb
*

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "lrcjestes" <lrcjestes at m...> wrote:

>...but could you really see professor flitwick teaching that
> charm?....
> 
> carole




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 23:03:17 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:03:17 -0000
Subject: HP Movie Soundtrack
Message-ID: <8oc6nl+bu4e@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 326

I'm a big Broadway fan... yesterday, while listening to the 
soundtrack of "Miss Saigon", the song "I Swear I'd Give My Life For 
You" hit me as a perfect theme for Lily.  Except for the last verse, 
which is really specific to the play.

That's when I began to wonder whether or not there would be a musical 
soundtrack for the Harry Potter movie.  I know Disney annoys a 
lot of people, but I've been an amateur Mousekeeter since birth.  
Seen all the animated movies and most of the live action ones, own 
the soundtracks, and in college had Disney *everything* in the dorm.  
It would be great to have a soundtrack with not only a great score, 
but also positive lyrics written and sung by today's celebrities.

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 23:03:28 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:03:28 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Movie Soundtrack
References: <8oc6nl+bu4e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <035601c0107b$04556120$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 327

Metallica doing a song to dive for the snitch by?  Grins.  (BTW< I LOVE METALLICA, plus other bands... so this isn't a snub)

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ebony Elizabeth 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 7:03 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Movie Soundtrack


  I'm a big Broadway fan... yesterday, while listening to the 
  soundtrack of "Miss Saigon", the song "I Swear I'd Give My Life For 
  You" hit me as a perfect theme for Lily.  Except for the last verse, 
  which is really specific to the play.

  That's when I began to wonder whether or not there would be a musical 
  soundtrack for the Harry Potter movie.  I know Disney annoys a 
  lot of people, but I've been an amateur Mousekeeter since birth.  
  Seen all the animated movies and most of the live action ones, own 
  the soundtracks, and in college had Disney *everything* in the dorm.  
  It would be great to have a soundtrack with not only a great score, 
  but also positive lyrics written and sung by today's celebrities.

  Ebony AKA AngieJ


  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com





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From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 23:10:41 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:10:41 -0000
Subject: Animagi (was Litter of Werewolves)
In-Reply-To: <8oc5r2+5o1u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oc75h+c4bb@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 328

Hello:

Hmm... I wonder if the children of Animagi are all human, or all 
animal?  Makes you wonder if certain Animagus traits are inherited.

*
--Alicia/Sue "Haircolor Chameleon" Spinnet

"Ever notice that 'what the hell' is usually the right decision?"

Last Movie Seen: "Elizabeth"
Discman's Spinning: "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack
Current Book: "She's Come Undone", Wally Lamb
*



--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Merriman Vicki" wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote:
> > > OMIGOD!  Crookshanks is the child of Minerva McGonagall, 
> > > conceived while she > was running around as a kitty!
> > 
> > I love it!  Minerva gave birth to a persian, pushed in face and 
> > everything.
> 
> I guess that implies that the father was a Persian --- is such a 
> pregnancy 40 days like a cat or 9 monhts like a human?  One train of
> thought suggests that nine months of pregnancy, and the difficulty 
of 
> hiding it from her students and explaining it to her friends would 
> influence her to remember to go into human form when she goes into 
> labor. Another train of thought wonders if it makes a different 
> if the father was a full-time cat or an Animagus?
> 
> While yet a third train of thought wonders why an English child (or 
> writer) would think that a bowlegged cat with a pushed-in (Persian 
> style) face is ugly? That's normal for them!
> 
> I have learned from my cat books that the British Shorthair is a 
> weird looking critter, not at all like a normal cat like American 
> Shorthair. THEY LIKE the 'flat' face (like a bulldog! is that why 
> they like it, the British bulldog?) and 'cobby' physique, and are 
> convinced that 'tabby' means blotch tabby and there's something 
novel 
> about nice normal tiger stripes.
> 
> At least one book explained that there was a shortage of alley cats 
> in Britain after WWII (I hesitate to speculate that people 
suffering 
> from rationing ATE them) so some people 'recovered' the breed of 
> free-roaming British Shorthairs by mixing them with pedigreed 
> Persians.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 23:13:45 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:13:45 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Animagi (was Litter of Werewolves)
References: <8oc75h+c4bb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <036601c0107c$74044580$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 329

Sue,
that's something I brought up earlier!  I wondered that because of James' "Prongness" Harry might not have some animagus abilities....

I thought it possible, but everyone else didn't agree.

Dee    
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alicia/Sue Spinnet 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 7:10 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Animagi (was Litter of Werewolves)


  Hello:

  Hmm... I wonder if the children of Animagi are all human, or all 
  animal?  Makes you wonder if certain Animagus traits are inherited.

  *
  --Alicia/Sue "Haircolor Chameleon" Spinnet

  "Ever notice that 'what the hell' is usually the right decision?"

  Last Movie Seen: "Elizabeth"
  Discman's Spinning: "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack
  Current Book: "She's Come Undone", Wally Lamb
  *



  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
  > --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Merriman Vicki" wrote:
  > > --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote:
  > > > OMIGOD!  Crookshanks is the child of Minerva McGonagall, 
  > > > conceived while she > was running around as a kitty!
  > > 
  > > I love it!  Minerva gave birth to a persian, pushed in face and 
  > > everything.
  > 
  > I guess that implies that the father was a Persian --- is such a 
  > pregnancy 40 days like a cat or 9 monhts like a human?  One train of
  > thought suggests that nine months of pregnancy, and the difficulty 
  of 
  > hiding it from her students and explaining it to her friends would 
  > influence her to remember to go into human form when she goes into 
  > labor. Another train of thought wonders if it makes a different 
  > if the father was a full-time cat or an Animagus?
  > 
  > While yet a third train of thought wonders why an English child (or 
  > writer) would think that a bowlegged cat with a pushed-in (Persian 
  > style) face is ugly? That's normal for them!
  > 
  > I have learned from my cat books that the British Shorthair is a 
  > weird looking critter, not at all like a normal cat like American 
  > Shorthair. THEY LIKE the 'flat' face (like a bulldog! is that why 
  > they like it, the British bulldog?) and 'cobby' physique, and are 
  > convinced that 'tabby' means blotch tabby and there's something 
  novel 
  > about nice normal tiger stripes.
  > 
  > At least one book explained that there was a shortage of alley cats 
  > in Britain after WWII (I hesitate to speculate that people 
  suffering 
  > from rationing ATE them) so some people 'recovered' the breed of 
  > free-roaming British Shorthairs by mixing them with pedigreed 
  > Persians.


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From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sun Aug 27 22:43:09 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:43:09 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Litter of Werewolves
References: <8obuba+94pr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A9997D.3DDC4312@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 330



Rita Winston wrote:

> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, anglinsbees at y... wrote:
>
> > So If a female werewolf conceived or bore her children in wolf
> form,
> > couldn't they be dominantly wolf?
>
> There are a lot of European and Japanese folk tales about the noble
> lord's beautiful young wife was expecting to give him an heir, but
> instead birthed a litter of fox cubs (Japan) or wolf cubs (Europe),
> which caused the husband to instantly do something ranging from
> divorcing her and the cubs to killing her and the cubs.
>
> In Japan, that makes sense, as the shapeshifter is a fox who turns
> into human form at will.

For a really beautiful fictional treatment of this, read Kij Johnson's novel
The Fox Woman, which was just released this year from Tor Books.  Set in
medieval Japan.

Here's the section on her home page with links to excerpts and reviews:

http://www.sff.net/people/kij-johnson/kijfox.htm

Peg






From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Sun Aug 27 22:45:17 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:45:17 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Litter of Werewolves
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEFMCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com> <002401c0106d$0429c5a0$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>
Message-ID: <39A999FD.70D3CD0@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 331



Firebolt wrote:

> Hi everyone:
>
> I know that as a newbie who just joined a few hours ago, I should technically be in Preliminary Lurk-Mode, but I just really, really wanted to say that it's extremely cool meeting someone else who actually knows what a kitsune is. Er, FYI, a kitsune is a Japanese fox shape-shifter, like the ones that Rita mentioned in her Litter of Werewolves post. They're all female, as far as I know.

Yes, in The Fox Woman book by Kij Johnson I mentioned, the fox woman's name is Kitsune.

Peg




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 27 23:17:31 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:17:31 -0000
Subject: HP Movie Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <8oc6nl+bu4e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oc7ib+ja18@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 332

Hello:

The Presidents of the United States of America could do the theme 
song, ? la "George of the Jungle"... 

Perhaps Draco's scenes should be preceded by that music heard when 
Ling enters the room on "Ally McBeal".

One thing I must beg of the arrangers: None of that prefab pop, 
please?  If I hear one more person singing the praises of Britney 
Spears and her male counterparts, I do believe I'll gouge my eardrums 
with a curling iron.

*
--Alicia/Sue "Haircolor Chameleon" Spinnet

"Ever notice that 'what the hell' is usually the right decision?"

Last Movie Seen: "Elizabeth"
Discman's Spinning: "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack
Current Book: "She's Come Undone", Wally Lamb
*


--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Ebony Elizabeth" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> I'm a big Broadway fan... yesterday, while listening to the 
> soundtrack of "Miss Saigon", the song "I Swear I'd Give My Life For 
> You" hit me as a perfect theme for Lily.  Except for the last 
verse, 
> which is really specific to the play.
> 
> That's when I began to wonder whether or not there would be a 
musical 
> soundtrack for the Harry Potter movie.  I know Disney annoys a 
> lot of people, but I've been an amateur Mousekeeter since birth.  
> Seen all the animated movies and most of the live action ones, own 
> the soundtracks, and in college had Disney *everything* in the 
dorm.  
> It would be great to have a soundtrack with not only a great score, 
> but also positive lyrics written and sung by today's celebrities.
> 
> Ebony AKA AngieJ




From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Sun Aug 27 23:23:26 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:23:26 -0000
Subject: Wizard Contraception 
In-Reply-To: <8oc5te+eb73@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oc7te+cq6f@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 333

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Ebony Elizabeth" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> I do agree with the talisman idea.  Perhaps the talisman is very 
> expensive.  Or perhaps it is considered a bit of Dark Magic, 
> something that respectable folk shun (didn't someone here recently 
> say this milieu seems semi-medieval in some ways?).  That would 
> explain the Weasley's automatic Quidditch team of silbings.  It 
would > also explain why James and Lily had a child at the worst 
possible > time.

I disagree that it would be expensive/difficult or considered Dark 
Magic.  The Weasley's clearly seem to be an exception in the 
wizarding world, not the typical family.

Given that no sibling has been mentioned, even in passing in the 
books, Seamus and Malfoy have no one for at least 3-4 years on either 
side of them (at Hogwarts), and neither of them came with siblings to 
the world cup.  The Diggorys' may only have one son, since no sibling 
came to watch his or her brother at the Triwizard tournament or came 
to the world cup with Amos and Cedric.  At the world cup Harry saw a 
couple of little girls together with no supervision, so it very 
slightly implies that they didn't have older siblings to keep an eye 
on them.   If James has a brother or sister, JKR hasn't brought it up 
yet, so he has no sibling or he/she died in the voldemort years.  
also, if there was anyone in James' family around, they surely would 
have insisted on raising Harry themselves rather than allowing him to 
be sent off to the muggle world.  All in all, it seems that most 
wizarding families are small, and that the weasleys are the exception.

Now interestingly enough, Colin Creevy's brother started at Hogwarts 
in GoF, and yet Colin is muggle born.  Their muggle parents have 
produced two wizards.  So perhaps there are people who are just shy 
of wizarding folk, and when they happen to get married they have a 
higher tendancy to produce muggle born wizards.

While we're on the subject of families, I loved the line in GoF, 
where Harry is thinking that he didn't tell anyone his wand was 
related to Voldy's, because "he was very fond of his wand, and its 
relationship to Voldemort's was something it couldn't help, rather 
like he couldn't help being related to the Dursleys."  I just thought 
that was really cute.

Vicki




From linsenma at hic.net  Sun Aug 27 23:33:28 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:33:28 -0500
Subject: Welcome; Marauders' Map & other Musings
Message-ID: <39A9A548.F945BFD1@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 334

Hi --

Welcome to Lori, Alix, DR MM (I was an English/History major too -- many
moons ago), Firebolt & any others from PoU who decided to join us.

Miscellaneous Musings (now that we have the egroups search feature &
unlimited space) --

MARAUDERS MAP -- I agree with the thoughts that Fred & George were alot
less concerned with the people on the map than the places.  They wanted
to find secret passages & rooms.  They were likely only interested in
the people to the extent that they were in danger of running into one of
the professors while they were out of bounds.  I doubt they were at all
concerned with Percy (or Ron for that matter).  Plus, they said they had
it "memorized" -- this implies strongly that all they wanted to know
about were the secret passages.  Therefore, they hadn't maybe even
looked at it for several years.

BASILISK --  The dictionary's lack of specificity prompted me to check a
few books out from the library on mythological creatures.  That's where
I got the info about how differing myths call the creature a basilisk &
others a cockatrice.  Most legends seem in agreement that it's a
combination of a serpent with a murderous stare & a rooster.  But, in
JKR's world, it doesn't have the rooster characteristics.

MERCHANDISE -- Your links didn't work Heidi.  I'm thinking I will head
over to the nearest Gold Crown Hallmark here tomorrow & see if I can
reserve merchandise (I'm quite intrigued by the idea of having a Dept 56
HP village set -- my husband is *horrified* beyond belief!).

RECORDING THE CHATS -- Heidi -- you're the IP expert.  Any advice for
Dee on this topic?

Alicia/Sue -- we all decided in the chat room today that you should
enter that contest about how HP has changed your life (Scholastic is the
sponsor I believe), and then when you win & get to go meet JKR in person
in NY, we'll arm you with all the group's questions (how many students
at Hogwarts, etc.).  Okay?

Dave wrote

> I think one of Harry's major character flaws is that he seems to distrust
> his elders, even the trustworthy ones (the tragic result of years living
> under the same roof as Vernon and Petunia Dursley)...
>
Yes -- Crouch-as-Moody told Harry that he had a streak of "pride &
independence" that prevented him from asking others for help (other than
Hermione & later Ron of course) with the Tri-Wizard Tournament.  That
characteristic will no doubt come into play more & more.  I also agree
with whoever observed that he had "Don't ask questions!" drilled into
his head from the time he was a year old.  He's always had to rely on
himself to figure out the answers.

Steve wrote --

> About "When Harry Met Sally":  didn't the title characters hate each
> other in the beginning, then progress to being friends, then to
> lovers?  Sounds like something that would appeal more to a
> Ron/Hermione shipper than a Harry/Hermione shipper.
>
They weren't *friends* at all when they hated each other; they were not
the Spencer Tracy/Katherine Hepburn bickering type.  They really didn't
have much contact with each other for 10 yrs except occasionally running
into each other (he thought she was uptight; she thought he was weird).
Once they became friends though, they were mostly the non-bickering sort
of friends (yes, they had disagreements, but they didn't snipe at one
another constantly the way Ron & Hermione seem to do).  They just had a
good time in each other's company -- laughed alot, they could depend on
each other.  So, I see their relationship as more analogous to
Harry/Hermione than R/H.  IMO.

Penny



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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 27 23:44:29 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:44:29 -0000
Subject: Wizard Contraception (was: Veela (was Chatterly Saga (was McGonagall's Age
In-Reply-To: <007201c01073$50c75ca0$56ac153f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <8oc94t+jlup@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 335

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "lrcjestes"  wrote:
> 
> > I'm thinking a talisman would be a good thing, something that
> > either person would wear around their neck or wrist
> > or something.
It would make sense for the female to wear it around her waist.

> I'm thinking definitely more of a charm or spell...

I'm sure that the wizard folk have MANY contraceptive spells, as 
well as many fertility spells, of which some are Charms and some are 
Potions, and some might be Talismans.

A Potion to drink once a month and a Potion to rub on one's belly (if 
female) before sex and a Charm that is permanent until removed ... 
belts and suspenders! and no one has to reply on their partner to 
take care of it. 




From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Sun Aug 27 23:56:42 2000
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:56:42 -0000
Subject: Hagrid's accent
Message-ID: <8oc9rq+jfai@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 336

Can anyone tell what Hagrid's regional accent is supposed to be?  
I've seen "Sommerset" and "Yorkshire" on the Web, but being from the 
US I don't know much about English accents beyond "RP" and cockney. 
Is the accent likely to pose any difficulty for Robbie Coltrane?

-Jim F. 




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 00:02:25 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:02:25 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat 8-27-00
References: <v02140b1eb5cef67c69e0@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <039001c01083$45316880$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 337

Connecting...

Connected! Sending login information...

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Harry Potter for Grown Ups

You see here:

babynick34,dee_97527,gypsycaine,dejavu112

Your buddy angeliquestill has gone off pager

dee_97527 says, Howdy, Dee

? babynick34 says, Hi Gypsy

Your buddy angeliquestill is on pager

 gypsycaine says, oh, i see. you guys started without me. lol

dejavu112 says, Hello gypsy

? babynick34 says, As per usual... here early.

 gypsycaine says, hi Di.

 gypsycaine says, hello folks.

? babynick34 says, Di, Dee, I get all confused with these similar names

 gypsycaine says, it's ok....grins.

dee_97527 says, It's Diann here

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? babynick34 says, Dennis's other half - is that right Di?

dee_97527 says, Yes

? babynick34 says, Hey, I'm doing well

 gypsycaine says, wow. did that mean you went to london too?

dee_97527 says, Saw your picture yesterday

dee_97527 says, No, stayed home

 gypsycaine says, 

 gypsycaine says, oh, wow... new icon!

? babynick34 says, Dennis has got the pics developed then.

dee_97527 says, Yes, we got them yesterday

gypsycaine . o O ( nick, thanks for the king's website. )

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? babynick34 says, King's Website?

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 gypsycaine says, I AM RECORDING THIS CHAT>>>

 gypsycaine says, ok... legalities over.

? babynick34 says, Do you mean the article Neil and I wrote - now at: http://www.dvd-films.freeuk.com/special

? babynick34 says, Noticed the postings of the other chats... Egroups is better than Yahoo in that respect - handles larger posts.

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? babynick34 says, Hi Dennis

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? babynick34 says, Their own LAN probably

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? babynick34 says, A LAN would be cheaper Di.

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p_dumbledore says, Yes, but I can't seem to get the thing to work right

? babynick34 says, Though I expect you get all you local calls free - or near enough these days

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? babynick34 says, Ah... LAN's are a pain. With only two systems, a peer to peer would probably be fine.

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? babynick34 says, Hi Heidi and Catlady

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p_dumbledore says, Tried WinGate, but couldn't get it to work right. Need to spend more time reading the manual I guess

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, everyone

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, scott

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? babynick34 says, Hi HP

? harry_potter00 says, Hiya!

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heiditandy says, I can't believe I finally made it to a chat - this is the 1st time my son has napped at this time!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Let's see, dee_97527 is Diann and gypsycaine is Dee ...

? babynick34 says, What time is it over there Heidi

dee_97527 says, Right

heiditandy says, 3:02 pm

heiditandy says, east coast summer time

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? babynick34 says, If he's a toddler, they often nap around that time... though you do need to wear them out with lots of exercise!

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gypsycaine . o O ( i am recording this chat. )

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, And I'm tyring to understand why Cheeta offers a Dog macro and an Owl macro but not any Cat macros, not even a Cheetah

catlady_de_los_angeles : |\___/| 

catlady_de_los_angeles : / ? ? \ 

catlady_de_los_angeles : /_.~ ~,_\ 

catlady_de_los_angeles : \@/ This is for my friend _SilentWolf_

 gypsycaine says, ian's not (lol RITA!)

? babynick34 says, Yes... strange, you would have thought there would be a Cheetah macro.

p_dumbledore says, Does that mean we have to watch our language ?

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I'm so new to Cheeta, I don't know how to edit the macro so it says Moony and Padfoot instead of Silent Wolf

 gypsycaine says, it's very easy (altho don't ask me how--everyone else adds them all the time!)

? harry_potter00 says, So can anyone tell me about the Hallmark Merchandise???

heiditandy says, he normally naps at 1pm ish instead - and he's a toddler - a running, climbing toddler. Thank goodness he hasn't figured out how to fly yet!

? babynick34 says, Hallmark have some stuff available - it's on their site. However they do not have a licence to sell it on the net.

dee_97527 says, At our Hallmark they said it would be October before it would be shipped

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, People on the e-group said that each Hallmark Store has to order its HP merchandise by a rapidly approaching deadline in order to have it in the store for Xmas shopping

? babynick34 says, My boss went to Boston last week... went to all the Hallmark stores she could find, and none of them had the stuff.

? harry_potter00 says, Really, well would it be a lot of trouble if you could spare the link???

? babynick34 says, Stores said it was not coming in until November.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I saw some pictures back on the Hallmark Press Release (don't remember URL: FAQ Committee?) and there wasn't anything I wanted, just

heiditandy says, i posted the link on egruops earlier - I'll try to find it for you hp00

harry_potter00 sobs.

? harry_potter00 says, My local Hallmark manager is Anti HP so wewont be seeing it! 

? babynick34 says, Harry Potter : http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4381&CONTENT_TYPE=PRODUCT

? harry_potter00 says, Thanks!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, pewter Xmas ornaments and pewter figurines

? babynick34 says, Hedwig: http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4394&CONTENT_TYPE=PRODUCT

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? babynick34 says, Hermione: http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4391&CONTENT_TYPE=PRODUCT

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? babynick34 says, Charms: http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4404&CONTENT_TYPE=PRODUCT

heiditandy says, thanks babynick!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, But the Golden Snitch and Harry himself are the only things that need to be licensed merchandise ... wizards with long white beards, witches, brooms, cauldrons, owls, wands are all generic

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? babynick34 says, Those are the links which Hallmark sent me... they seem to work.

? harry_potter00 says, They look nice, I will be excited to get them this Christmas.

heiditandy says, catlady - that's why so many costume websites have great wizard costumes this year - but none in size 2T

? babynick34 says, department56 have some stuff coming out in Oct/Nov. Secret boxes

p_dumbledore says, Didn't you see mine that I posted in members pics?

brooksindy says, I'm back, dripping

? babynick34 says, In which group Dennis?

heiditandy says, what is dept 56?

 gypsycaine says, ................

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p_dumbledore says, over on egroups FILES section - Sorry about the pic of you Nick :-(

 gypsycaine says, never hit the backspace key with the phrase highlighted.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I'm afraid that my boss/friend Regina is going to buy me an HP figurine for Xmas, as she knows about but does not understand my HP obsession

? babynick34 says, www.department56.com/home.html seems to be a US/Canada store... I've emailed them about online ordering and exporting.

p_dumbledore says, I was busy scanning all day - got pics back from London

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, department 56 makes 'collectibles' such as little model houses for model railroads and some winged cat Xmas tree ornaments that I was given for Xmas two years ago

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? harry_potter00 says, Dept 56, is the collectible Houses that people set up to make villages at Christmas. They are sold through Novelty stores like Hallmark.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I don't have an Xmas tree -- not because of religion, because of cats 

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dejavu112 says, hey I am what?

harry_potter00 steams in silence.

? harry_potter00 says, Oops!

heiditandy says, Just checked out the dept 56 site- looks interesting

dejavu112 says, Okay memo to self: Stop being so anti-socal

brooksindy says, Hmm, I resized the window and it appears to have logged me out and back in, I just lost the chat transcript before that point.

? babynick34 says, Dennis - my pic does not look too bad

p_dumbledore says, Neal, was unhappy with his.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Dejavu112 (hey, it rhymes dejavu -one one two) the narrator said you were away and then that you were back. Do you want to be called Deja? Javu?

? harry_potter00 says, As far as costumes I was thinking of dressing up as Harry to greet the tricker treaters as I am to old to go and collect candy myself.

? babynick34 says, Etoys.com have the glasses in!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Nick, the picture of you wasn't as nice as the one by Hogwarts Express and wasn't as bad as the one you used to have in your Yahoo profile.

dejavu112 says, Sure you can call me that

heiditandy says, nick - url?

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? babynick34 says, Pass... have to hunt it down.#

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heiditandy says, i think I found htem - they're called Nerd Specs, right?

? harry_potter00 says, Right

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, The picture of Neil made me exclaim" Each picture of Neil looks worse than the last!"

dee_97527 says, Poor Neil

? harry_potter00 says, Glad he's not here

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p_dumbledore says, Thanks Dee, maybe I can retouch it ?

? babynick34 says, Try this: http://www.etoys.com/toy/g/category/04/45/42/1.shtml

? babynick34 says, Nerd Specs... that's them

heiditandy says, warner bros has "real" harry glasses too

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I was just wishing he WAS here, so I could say "He can send that picture to anyone who has been making unwanted advances to him"

? babynick34 says, No size indicator though.

p_dumbledore says, Get some of those really wide German Harry Glasses ..ha!

heiditandy says, from GermanEtoys : )

? babynick34 says, I wish more stores would sell HP stuff.. then I could write some software to compare the prices.

? babynick34 says, As it is, WBSTORE.COM is about the only place you can get things at the moment.

heiditandy says, or from the sellers at ebay

dee_97527 says, I think that by Christmas more will be out

? babynick34 says, Though, I think they are having problems... as my order from 10th Aug, still has not arrived.

? harry_potter00 says, Here's the link to the Dept. 56 product list though HP pic aren't avaliable yet http://www.dept56.com/html/newproducts/maynewproducts.html

p_dumbledore says, Probably got swamped with orders

 gypsycaine says, i placed an order (lol) with my friend for christmas for a snitch....

 gypsycaine says, i hope she comes through.....

 gypsycaine winks

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heiditandy says, my son got one of the clocks as a birthday present earlier this month

? harry_potter00 says, Hi Blaise

blaise_42 says, hello

p_dumbledore says, Hi Again Blaise

? babynick34 says, Can't find German eToys... what's the URL?

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, hi, Blaise

 gypsycaine says, hi blaise.

dejavu112 says, I think I read some where there is another place to buy hp stuff

heiditandy says, oh, I don't know if there is - I was making a pun. SORRY!

? babynick34 says, oh.... and there I was looking for it!

 gypsycaine throws a pillow at nick. lol

p_dumbledore says, There are some nice graphics at the German publishers site

p_dumbledore says, goto www.carlesn.de

? harry_potter00 says, Always mess up my type, can you read it???

blaise_42 says, yeah, that's fine

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p_dumbledore says, sorry carlsen.de

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Scott, the beginning Yellos is a LITTLE pale, the rest is fine

 gypsycaine says, i think i got folks "cheeta'd" lol.

p_dumbledore says, a nice flying owl with message in its mouth

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I need to learn how to make my colors cycle over each few letters rather than the whole statement 

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, especially since I make such long statements!

? harry_potter00 says, This is a bit strange 

? babynick34 says, Secret Boxes (from dept56) are due Nov.1st.

heiditandy says, the hair on harry on the german site is what I imagine Draco's hair in PoU to look like.

 gypsycaine says, I think i need to change colors, rita.

 gypsycaine says, we're too close...

? harry_potter00 says, Well I think that it is all right

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 gypsycaine says, ok.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Make the gold darker or the orange paler and tell me how to cycle it

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Dee, I will work on my color

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, when I get a chance!

peeves23 says, hello... new member here 

peeves23 waves at Blaise

blaise_42 says, hi, peeves

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I am now trying to post replies to e-group!

 gypsycaine says, the less colors you have in the mix, the less letters that the change goes thru.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, Peeves

 gypsycaine says, hi peeves.

? babynick34 says, Perfect Soluitions are planning to stock the secret boxes... I wonder if they will ship internationally? http://www.theperfectsolution.com/hboxes.htm

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? babynick34 says, Hi peecwa

 gypsycaine says, secret boxes?

? babynick34 says, peeves, I meant

dejavu112 says, Hi peeves

peeves23 says, hi

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Dee, what is this about Locates -- is that an Emotion?

? babynick34 says, Dee - I'm hunting a picture... found a pic this afternoon, but it's on the work PC.

? harry_potter00 says, I like this colour combination....

dee_97527 says, How big are the secret boxes?

peeves23 says, I have to say I thought those harry potter model thingies sucked

blaise_42 says, what secret boxes?

? harry_potter00 says, and you can read it...

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I *think( they mean Department 56 boxes with secret compartments

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? babynick34 says, Yes... secret boxes are by Dept56

blaise_42 says, sorry to sound ignorant - what's Dept56?

dejavu112 says, Its a online store I believe

blaise_42 says, aha

? babynick34 says, Dennis - I like the picture of the Alley... chaging the name was a nice touch

? harry_potter00 says, Ok it is an american company that sells glass houses...

p_dumbledore says, Changing the name... I don't understand 

? babynick34 says, US/Canada supplier of 'things' to use a better word. Colectable items. They have a website, but don't mention about International Shipping

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Not glass, ceramic

? babynick34 says, Of the pub sign

? harry_potter00 says, oops yes well I MEANT that...

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Little model houses for model railroads and Xmas village displaysl

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I thought you were making a joke about glass houses (in which one should not throw stones)

p_dumbledore says, Oh, I didn't change it.. wink wink nudge nudge

? harry_potter00 says, The Christmas villages...I have things like a starbuck coffee and a Big Ben tower

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Especially since you posted a msg about having great ideas when off-line and not being able to remember them when you get to the PC

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Which I really believe you are too young to experience!

? harry_potter00 says, That would have been clever...oh well

brooksindy says, people who live in glass houses should change clothes in the basement

blaise_42 says, hehe

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Or have very nice figures and tattoos that they are proud of

 gypsycaine says, that's why you buy the screen, brooks.

? harry_potter00 says, and never underestimate the poorness of my memory 

 gypsycaine grins.

gypsycaine I AM SAVING THIS CHAT>>>>> LEGAL NOTIFICATION

brooksindy says, And then there is the story of the African tribal chief and his hut

? babynick34 says, LAG TEST

brooksindy says, H bought a big fancy throne and put it on the upper floor

brooksindy says, but it fell through, proving that

p_dumbledore says, There were StarBucks all over London !!

peeves23 says, lol

? babynick34 says, Ok... so my post with the URL didn't come through. Here it is again: http://www.fiddlesticksdallas.com/harry_potter_at_fiddlesticks.htm

? babynick34 says, Secret boxes can be seen at that location

brooksindy says, peole who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones

? harry_potter00 says, I was suprised about that to P Dumbledore. but at least I could still get a Frapuchino, 

peeves23 says, lol... my dad used to tell us that when I was 3...

? harry_potter00 says, Which I horribly misspelled

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? harry_potter00 says, HI

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jenP_97 says, Hi, everyone

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, Jen, Hi, Hufflepuff

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blaise_42 says, hi

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 gypsycaine says, hi!

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? babynick34 says, Hi to all who entered recently

p_dumbledore says, Yes, Neal and I stopped in one - Go all the way from Nortwest to London and stop in a Starbucks..

? harry_potter00 says, Ironic isn't it....

peeves23 says, those secret boxes are quite hoopy

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? babynick34 says, Nearest Starbucks to me is near Windsor castle.

badgerskin says, Hello - we ended up on Yahoo after all!

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 gypsycaine says, i hate egroups chat...that was horrid.

 gypsycaine says, it had the worst lag i have ever seen at yahoo.

jenP_97 says, Oh, so you guys actually tried egroups chat first?

blaise_42 says, yeah

? harry_potter00 says, Do you know that last week we were all grumbling about that possible HP, Gabriel and this week we are quite happy about the cast....what a relief.

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peeves23 says, I have to go and "cook" my food... back in a bit

peeves23 is away (out to lunch)

? harry_potter00 says, Bym

? harry_potter00 says, Bye

heiditandy says, I haven't decided what to do about the figurines - my husband is a comic book collector & has so many action figures I don't think we want more in the house, no matter how cute/goofy they are.

brooksindy says, The egroups chat didn't even launch in Netscape on a Mac - several Applets not found

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jenP_97 says, Call me dense, but I just assumed that we'd come here.

 gypsycaine says, no no... i am Den(i)se

jenP_97 says, Since other people were complaining for a while.

 gypsycaine says, lol.

jenP_97 says, (hehe)

? harry_potter00 says, I like Yahoo chat, and Penny, or someone had said this is where we would be.

p_dumbledore says, Diann did you look at the Fiddlesticks stuff.. Maybe Eric can pick them up - they are out on Beltline Road in Dallas

? harry_potter00 says, I think

harry_potter00 : /\ /\ 

harry_potter00 : ((oVo)) 

harry_potter00 : ():::() 

harry_potter00 : VVV WHOOOO.....WHOOOOO

? harry_potter00 says, Oh dear what is this??? 

 gypsycaine says, i love that owl...

 gypsycaine says, lol

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jenP_97 says, oh, that's supposed to be an owl.

? harry_potter00 says, Right I souldn't see it at first.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, But they don't have a Cat macro! They should have several!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Cat sleeping

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dee_97527 says, No, I didn't we can tell him that's what we want for Christmas

 gypsycaine says, there's a slight problem with the ears.

p_dumbledore says, I liked the Gringots cart ride

 gypsycaine says, edit macros Rita, see "SETTINGS" EDIT MACROS

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Cat arching its back and hissing

? babynick34 says, If anyone lives near Brookings SD... can I get fiddlesticks to mail you some stuff - so I can collect it in November?

jenP_97 says, I can't see it at all... all I see is 30m /\ /\ 30m and stuff...

 gypsycaine says, Copy and paste on of your husbands into it.

? harry_potter00 says, My cat does nothing but sleep...

p_dumbledore says, I don't think ANYONE lives near there Nick !! 

blaise_42 says, I can't see the owl either... do you have to have Cheeta to see it?

? babynick34 says, True dennis... it is a bit out of the way!

jenP_97 says, How many people live in SD..... 4?

jenP_97 says, total?

 gypsycaine says, yahoo sometimes scrabbles macros.

dee_97527 says, Were in S Dakota is it?

 gypsycaine says, can you see this one?

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jenP_97 says, Maybe 3 in Bismanrk right?

? harry_potter00 says, Well you might, since I'm in Cheeta..

? babynick34 says, More than 4... our factory must employ around 100.

jenP_97 says, -n

jenP_97 says, ack... wait.

jenP_97 says, Bismarck is in ND, isn't it.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, "Our" factory?

jenP_97 says, -c

p_dumbledore says, They commute from North Dakota

? harry_potter00 says, Factory?

blaise_42 says, nope, I can see some stuff that says '30m ^^ 30m...'

jenP_97 just sits back and does nothing for a while - that should be safe.

dejavu112 says, Ditto

? babynick34 says, Don't think I have a picture of it... not a very exciting place... company I work for has a factory out there.

? harry_potter00 says, Oh

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Rainbow Play Systems?

? babynick34 says, Catlady - you know it?

p_dumbledore says, They do have a nice web page, Nick.. went and looked at it whenI got back to USA

? babynick34 says, Saw the logo perhaps on the pic Dennis took!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, No. You used to have an @dress there on some old postings

? babynick34 says, Ah yes.. and with egroups, that will probably come back again, as I can post from the work address to egroups.

gypsycaine  gypsycaine says, ok...

 gypsycaine says, grr.

 gypsycaine says, did that come up rita?

gypsycaine  gypsycaine says, .

jenP_97 says, what's that supposed to be?

p_dumbledore says, Those pictures don't show up on this end.. What was it ?

gypsycaine ? harry_potter00 says, Yes what is it a picture of?

 gypsycaine says, i am not getting that at all.

 gypsycaine says, sighs.

blaise_42 says, none of those pictures showed up on my screen either, sorry

 gypsycaine says, It's rita's cat.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Dee, I see little pictures of a blob with wings

? harry_potter00 says, That's a cat??

blaise_42 says, it looks like all the symbols in rita's cat in a straight line

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Last week someone said they are avatars

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Blaise, it is supposed to look like a jpeg

 gypsycaine says, i cut and pasted it straight off the email.

brooksindy says, Well, it may be a geek code for a cat....

 gypsycaine says, it shows up on "EDIT MACROS" as a cat.

 gypsycaine sighs.

blaise_42 says, well, I'll imagine a lovely cat

jenP_97 says, hehe... geek code for a cat.

? harry_potter00 says, Look a bit like a Gargolye to me.

 gypsycaine says, i get nothing...

 gypsycaine says, just space.

p_dumbledore says, Or one of those chinese dragons..

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gypsycaine `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`)

gypsycaine (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-'

gypsycaine _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,'

gypsycaine (((' (((-((('' ((((

 gypsycaine says, there we go!

 gypsycaine says, the spaces killed it!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, There it is!!!

jenP_97 says, (oh yah, that's much better)

? harry_potter00 says, Is that a lion or a cat.

jenP_97 says, 

blaise_42 says, ah well, still looks like a line of symbols to me ... never mind

p_dumbledore says, Looks like a worm to me, here ! or a snake !

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Scott, figure out how to add a mane to it and you have your Gryff lion

dejavu112 says, Yeah I am having the same problem as blaise_42

gypsycaine Zz

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gypsycaine /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_

gypsycaine |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'

gypsycaine '---''(_/--' `-'\_)

heiditandy says, I think I need this Cheeta Stuff, Where do I get it?

peeves23 says, me too

 gypsycaine says, www.cheetachat.com

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? harry_potter00 says, I was thinking a lioness....

harry_potter00 : ~, .-. ^^

harry_potter00 : /| -= ( ) =- ^^

harry_potter00 : ~^~ /_|\ ^~~-^~~-sunrise on a new day

harry_potter00 : ~^~ ~^~^~^~^ sunset on the old 

peeves23 says, The man that invented the microwave deserves a medal

? harry_potter00 says, Now I can't tell what I just did...

gypsycaine . o O ( lol... that's how i feel, peeves! )

brooksindy says, Microwave ovens were developed and commercialized by my employer, raytheon

jenP_97 says, haha... my sister works for raytheon.

? babynick34 says, Time to do some virtual shopping at the MallofAmerica. Will be visiting there in November, so hope they have some stores which sell HP stuff

peeves23 says, All the nutrition of some cardboard, in just 8 minutes

 gypsycaine says, kewl.

brooksindy says, Guy walked by a radar in a lab and chocolate bar in his pocket melted.

 gypsycaine says, ohhhhh lightning. kewl.

? harry_potter00 says, I think that you will find something there Nick.

 gypsycaine says, hey, rita,

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Maybe he will get lost in Mall of America and never found

 gypsycaine says, have you edited your cheeta chat to save the whole chat yet?

p_dumbledore says, How long you there Nick?

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peeves23 says, I saw this massive dog when I went running

peeves23 says, and I lokoed away and looked back, and it was gone

dee_97527 says, Was it black

peeves23 says, a massive black dog...

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, No. I can't scroll back pass the default

peeves23 says, yep

? harry_potter00 says, Oh dear it's a Grim, better be careful!

 gypsycaine says, that's not how.

 gypsycaine says, chuckles.

 gypsycaine says, settings.

? babynick34 says, No idea... entire trip is less than a week and at least two days will be in Brookings, so don't expect to be in MoA long - thus why locating stores now

peeves23 says, it might have just been sirius though

 gypsycaine says, preferences

 gypsycaine says, general

p_dumbledore says, Can always FED-X overnight stuff to you

harry_potter00 snivels pathetically.

 gypsycaine says, buffer up to Unlimited in the menu

peeves23 says, watchign out for me

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catlady_de_los_angeles : / ? ? \ 

catlady_de_los_angeles : /_.~ ~,_\ 

catlady_de_los_angeles : \@/ This is for my friend _Peeves_

? babynick34 says, Expensive... DHL Worldmail is better... don't even mind waiting for USPS Air Post.

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dee_97527 says, Fed X to S Dakota

peeves23 says, er, thanks

peeves23 says, I think

peeves23 says, 

dee_97527 says, to Motel

peeves23 says, its very nice...

peeves23 says, what is it?

? babynick34 says, Hmm.. not bad idea. Can't be many motels in SD

heiditandy says, I'll be back in a moment - gotta install that cheeta!

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harry_potter00 ????????????????????

peeves23 spent longer trying to get this blasted rice packet open that i did cooking the damn thing

jenP_97 says, yah, I can't help it. I'm downloading cheeta, too.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, But the macro cat should be polite enough to sleep only when we are boring

 gypsycaine says, i started something, lol.

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Dee, does Cheetah pay you a commission? 

jenP_97 says, 

 gypsycaine says, i just edited it for you dear

p_dumbledore says, Anything good Peeves?

 gypsycaine says, lol

? harry_potter00 says, Well I've never careed for the microwave.

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gypsycaine |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'

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gypsycaine This is for my friend Rita, da Catlady_de_los_angeles

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peeves23 says, neither have I

peeves23 says, but I can't actually cook (apart from bacon! i can cook bacon!)

peeves23 says, and my parents are away

peeves23 says, and my brothers got friends round

? babynick34 says, LOL peeves... don't you just love it. Microwave Rice I have here takes 2 mins, and is so hot when it comes out that it takes longer than that before you can even attempt to open it.

jenP_97 says, bacon is important.

peeves23 says, and i'm huuungry...

? harry_potter00 says, But it works in a pinch,

 gypsycaine says, i cook almost all our meals nukingly.

gypsycaine I AM SAVING THIS CHAT>>>>> LEGAL NOTIFICATION

p_dumbledore says, Don't you know what that does to the food ?

? harry_potter00 says, Silly way off our subject question coming...

peeves23 chuckles

? babynick34 says, Must be a lot of stores at MofA... still downloading the store list!

peeves23 says, it makes it full of healthy radiation

jenP_97 says, blah blah blah... when JKR comes waltzing in, that will be important, Dee... 

peeves23 says, you need your daily intake of alpha and beta particles, after all

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peeves23 says, (anyone read Robert Rankin's Snuff Fiction)

brooksindy says, Hmmmph. microwaves just make the atoms vibrate. (<-physics major)

peeves23 says, brooks: someone said they nuked their food...

p_dumbledore says, Right, Microwaves and the Flash!

? harry_potter00 says, In HP one The first Gryff. password is Caput Draconis....I know caput is latin for head but Draconis???

 gypsycaine says, it's a joke.

blaise_42 says, head of the dragon

brooksindy says, Dee, i think the chat in msgs may not be good idea, it really enlarged teh digest. Consider putting in files.

jenP_97 says, dragon?

 gypsycaine says, i always say "nuke"

peeves23 says, yes, i know

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blaise_42 says, draconis is genitive of draco (<classicist)

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? harry_potter00 says, Gee, Blaise you're sharp in your Latin....

heiditandy says, what is this room # for cheeta?

 gypsycaine says, it's not a room number.

 gypsycaine says, it's under clubs. 

brooksindy says, Yeh, nuke is a nickname for microwave, but it is bad sciecne which ...peeve me. 

heiditandy says, thanks gypsy

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peeves23 says, oh, right

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 gypsycaine crosses fingers...

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? babynick34 says, I wonder if the motto will ever be used in the books - other than for the inner cover of the UK editions.

? heiditandy says, oh good! I found it!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Caput Draconis is a star or constellation

peeves23 says, I thought whoever it was was just kidding, not asyin that he/she microwaved all his/her food

? harry_potter00 says, and the most complicated think I can say is Puellae bonam aquam portant. But I've only had the class for two weeks...

brooksindy says, Heidi is apparating....

 gypsycaine says, lol

jenP_97 says, I wonder if they'll ever even put it in the US editions.

blaise_42 says, really, rita? where is it?

 gypsycaine says, there used to be a macro called circles.

? babynick34 says, When they do... we know it will be important for the plot.

gypsycaine ()?.???`??Sup!????`?.?()

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Scott: something abaout a Good Girl

blaise_42 says, the girl carries good water

blaise_42 says, the girls, even

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Blaise: I'm terrible at astronomy -- I would have to go check Astronomy Web sites to find where is Caput Draconis

blaise_42 says, don't worry about it, then

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dejavu112 says, grrrr

 gypsycaine says, you used circles, to go enter, leaves, enter, leaves, enter leaves, enter, leaves....lol

? harry_potter00 says, Right. really complicated I know....heheheh

? babynick34 says, Hey - they have a Dept56 at MofA.

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blaise_42 says, hey, if you've only been taking it for 2 weeks that's not bad at all, Scott

dee_97527 says, There you go Nick

 gypsycaine says, we're on filch this week, then, and Mrs. Figgs?

jenP_97 says, no...

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Speaking of Astronomy, which is a heavily required subject at Hogwarts,

? heiditandy says, Gypsy, you say that as if there were 2 people named Mrs Figg!

jenP_97 says, I'm doing chapter 8 and Bagman starting tomorrow.

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? harry_potter00 says, WelI can say a bit more but I know I will enjoy it.

blaise_42 says, Astronomy is cool! I need to learn more about it

 gypsycaine says, well, technically.....

 gypsycaine shrugs.

peeves23 says, what is all this talk of doing things? have I missed something?

jenP_97 says, that's what I thought anyway. did we cahnge it?

jenP_97 says, er, change

? harry_potter00 says, Bagman....Wait..... Ok Ludo means play in Latin!!!

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, and Harry wants to buy a move of the whole moving galaxy, and Dumbledore's watch shows the planets in real time

? heiditandy says, bagman is someone in a gambling ring who handles the $$, or pounds, too I guess.

peeves23 says, its also the name of a board game

 gypsycaine says, i am just going by what i saw in the club calendar.

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Ludo means 'play' or 'game' in Latin and it is possible that the 'vic' ending of Ludovic is not merely a reference to Clovis, but to victory

peeves23 says, bagman.. isn't that the name for... can't remember; either something to do with circuses, or a thug, or something?

 gypsycaine says, that's funny heidi.

peeves23 says, anyone got an OED handy?

 gypsycaine says, esp with his "ahem" goblin addictiion?

? harry_potter00 says, OED

 gypsycaine says, oed?

blaise_42 says, yeah, but bagman wasn't in it, I don't think

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Bagman carries the cash for a criminal enterprise. In protection racket, the bagman goes around to little stores to collect their monthly payments

peeves23 says, oxford english dictionary - gives very precise definition of lots of words, plus where it came from...

peeves23 says, aha

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, In bribery, he carries the money from the rich businessman to the politician

brooksindy says, There is a Brit history author named Ludovic Kennedy.

blaise_42 says, here we go, bagman b. One who collects or administers the collection of money obtained by racketeering and other dishonest means. slang (orig. and chiefly U.S.).

? babynick34 says, Bagman = dishonest official; a person who collects, carries, or distributes illegal payoff money. 

blaise_42 says, which is what Rita just said

? harry_potter00 says, He hehe... Yes well I'm trying to get my hands on a Brit Ed,. of the Dic.

p_dumbledore says, I wonder if the Quidditch pitch /now the Maze is under the control of the protection around Hogworts, this might account for why the port key worked and you might be able to apperate in the same area?

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, But I wonder if JKR was thinking of 'left holding the bag' -- that is the bag the cat was let out of?

jenP_97 says, brb

gypsycaine . o O ( wonders if there's a website with OED on it? )

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? harry_potter00 says, and the woman at B&N must of thought me crazy to ask her if they had one...

peeves23 says, maybe its because the portkey was enchanted inside Hogwarts

 gypsycaine says, that is a question Dennis.

 gypsycaine says, I thought about that, with the 200 slythie fans.

peeves23 says, and so it's not subject to the usual restrictions

? babynick34 says, . o O (wonders what OED is?)

peeves23 says, (in which case you'd expect to be able to apparate out from H, but never mind)

blaise_42 says, OED is Oxford English Dictionary

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? heiditandy says, gotta go - baby is awake - bye all!

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 gypsycaine says, if not all of them are students, then the field might be the only non area at Hogwarts, or only during matches, and stuff, like a defensive shield on StarTrek?

? babynick34 says, There is a CD-ROM version I think.

? harry_potter00 says, Portkeys have raised a lot of questions.

jenP_97 says, 80% done with cheetachat download

blaise_42 says, yeah, there is

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jenP_97 says, the cdrom of the oed is about 650 dollars (US)

 gypsycaine wonders if that made sense?

peeves23 says, it did

 gypsycaine chokes at that price.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Cluthdovicus -- Clovis the Great, -- Ludwig the Insane -- Louis of France -- Ludovic -- all the same name

jenP_97 says, and honestly, it's not that great. The print version is MUCH more user friendly.

? harry_potter00 says, Like why can't the students just Portkey to Hogwarts instead of riding the train...

peeves23 says, I worry that JKR has actually got loads of plot holes

peeves23 says, for instance, why bother with the portkey at all?

p_dumbledore says, Nothing has been said about the protective area around Hogworts as far as I know.

brooksindy says, Peeves, so does Star Trek and the fans stay loyal....

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Portkeying must be more expensive than the train, and the train is available, so use it

peeves23 says, why not have Moody grab harry, Stupefy him, and escape under the Invisibility Cloak

? babynick34 says, www.oed.com (in case anyone was looking for it still)

peeves23 says, at any time

 gypsycaine says, i wonder when i think of these things, am I just thinking too much, and not taking the book?

 gypsycaine says, thanks Nick!

? harry_potter00 says, I see what you mean...

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? harry_potter00 says, Hi

irene8888 says, hello room

jenP_97 says, well, except for the veritaserum, nobody knew that moody was a sp[y...

jenP_97 says, er, spy.

p_dumbledore says, I'm sure that not all the students come in from Kings Cross, would seem strange for a student from Scotland to go all the way to London.

peeves23 says, do we know its in scotland?

brooksindy says, Hiya.

jenP_97 says, so, in theory, if the portkey plan had WORKED (and hp had died), then moody could have still been a spy in hogwarts... maybe.

 gypsycaine says, how about the irish students?

peeves23 says, true

peeves23 says, except he wasnt staying

 gypsycaine says, ok here's a thought.

blaise_42 says, they have to fly over Peebles to get there

jenP_97 says, faux moody, that is.

? harry_potter00 says, Hmmm, well I'm righting Fanfic and I can't figure out how to explain the wizards going from NYC to London, anyIdeas

 gypsycaine says, isn't there a chimney at Hogwarts?

 gypsycaine says, why not use floo powder?

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Maybe they add an extra car at the station just before Hogwarts? A car with the students whose parents drove them there?

peeves23 says, why not apparate

p_dumbledore says, No, but it would be like flying from Michigan to Dallas to get to chicago

jenP_97 says, well, hell, crouch jr could have snuck off with some hair from someone else then.  I didn't say this was a bulletproof theory. 

? babynick34 says, OED is a bit pricey... 250 UKPounds+vat for CD-ROM version. Stick with the book version I think.

irene8888 says, the only time i saw floo powder used was when the adult Weasleys were around

peeves23 says, (that was to H_P00)

blaise_42 says, the book version is pricey too

peeves23 says, floo powder strikes me as a bit of a nasty way to travel, really - not very pleasant

irene8888 says, is floo powder a 'for adults only' product?

? harry_potter00 says, I'll stick with the book ...

peeves23 says, but presumably quite cheap...

 gypsycaine says, not too cheap.

p_dumbledore says, Maybe with foo powder you can't carry alot of trunks and stuff with you

 gypsycaine says, Molly seemed a bit worried.

? harry_potter00 says, I don't thin that floo powder is for the priveleged

dejavu112 says, Maybe Floo powder is not something the "higher classes" use

jenP_97 says, they took hp's trunk with them to the weasley's house...

 gypsycaine says, all Harry had he carried thru the Dursley's fire.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, it's something like Floo Powder that Snape threw in his fireplace and said "Lupin! I want a word with you!" 

jenP_97 says, by floo pouder.

jenP_97 says, ack. powder.

blaise_42 says, well, they talked about teh Floo Network, with all the wizard fires hooked up to it

brooksindy says, OMG. I just got it. Floo powder = flue powder -through the chimney flues.

? harry_potter00 says, Everyone, we seem to be having a bit of nasty weather and I must leave the computer...

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Plus "flew

jenP_97 says, and Sirius talked to Harry via the face-only floo powder.

irene8888 says, well...if Hogwarts has a chimney...then the teachers just gloo in then

blaise_42 says, Scott, if they travel by floo powder they'll have to connect the chimney in NYC

irene8888 says, floo

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, By, Scott

 gypsycaine says, you must be close to us...bye scott.

? harry_potter00 says, Bye

brooksindy says, bye

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jenP_97 says, bye

p_dumbledore says, bye

? babynick34 says, Ok... HP... tornado coming is there

jenP_97 says, er, shoot.

jenP_97 says, okay, gotta go install cheetachat.

jenP_97 says, be back in a few.

peeves23 says, eek

 gypsycaine says, Nick, where is he?

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irene8888 says, are there people chatting in the egroups chatroom?

? babynick34 says, It snowed here in the UK this week - very strange... weatherforcasters said it was hail, not snow.

? babynick34 says, No idea Dee

blaise_42 says, which bit of the uk are you in?

peeves23 says, it didn't here 

p_dumbledore says, two tornado's over there too

? babynick34 says, South... it snowed up in Hull

blaise_42 says, well, no snow here in Kent

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, The teachers can Apparate (or whatever) to Hogwarts train station or to Hogmeade. The school can send a carriage to pick them up there ... it has at least 100 carriages! 

peeves23 says, pissed down earlier, for about 10 minutes... just as my brother was about to have a barbecue

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? babynick34 says, Blaise - no the snow was only in Hull... very issolated. Did you not see it on the news earlier this week.

 gypsycaine says, OH is having thunderstorms (have surge protector)

blaise_42 says, I read something about heavy hail somewhere...

 gypsycaine says, here comes neil.

 gypsycaine says, going to embarass him again... lol

brooksindy says, I think the no apparation area may extend into Hogsmeade buyt just outside is OK

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, Neil, we were eariler pitying you for the pciture Dennis posted

p_dumbledore says, They had a tornado area, and the big thunder head pulled up the rain and formed tiny hail pellets.. snow like

peeves23 hasnt read the papers or watched the news in, ooh, two weeks... i love the holidays

 gypsycaine says, ...test...

irene8888 says, hello??????????

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, Irene

p_dumbledore says, Hi Irene

peeves23 says, hi

irene8888 says, major lag

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, No, they were carried away by a tornado

 gypsycaine says, as silence crawls across the land...

brooksindy says, Is Neil actually here? Does not show up on my chatters window also I think it was not lag, just nobody could think of anythiing to say

irene8888 says, so is anyone at the egroups chatroom?

p_dumbledore says, He apparated out of the chat

dejavu112 says, I just checked, no one is in there

? babynick34 says, Snow in Summer - http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid%5F890000/890338.stm

brooksindy says, He never showed up at all & I did not get a *** has joined the room.

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, About Astronomy, which is a majorly required subject at Hogwarts, and Harry wanted to buy a real-time model of the whole moving galaxy, and Dumbledore's watch shows this solar system's planets in real time

 gypsycaine says, i didn't get the joined, just the fact he was "in chat"

? jenP_97 says, tadaaaaa

brooksindy says, WB, J.

? babynick34 says, Yes... Dumbledore does have a watch like that doesn't he.

blaise_42 says, they're better at astronomy than muggles are

gypsycaine ?????HELLO?????

brooksindy says, But not better than the Centaurs...

? jenP_97 says, now what do I do?

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I had been thinking that the Astronomy was for astrological purposes: the spell is affected by the planetary influences at the time it is cast

irene8888 says, do about cheetachat?

blaise_42 says, It might well be

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, But Astrology is taught under Professor Trelawney's Divination

blaise_42 says, though they do seem to study astrology in divination, and JKR doesn't think highly of it

? jenP_97 says, hmmm... I'll be right back.

gypsycaine . o O ( welp, to fiddle with colors, click on the paint palate at the top )

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? babynick34 says, It was a very odd watch. It had twelve hands but no numbers; instead, little planets were moving around the edge. 

? babynick34 says, First metioned in PS/SS

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I think the hands were pushing the little planets around

brooksindy says, was it ever mentioned again?

gypsycaine . o O ( oh, that's weird. )

irene8888 says, no one really seems to have the conventional clock or watch..except for HP himself..his muggle watch

gypsycaine . o O ( since i have cheeta open, it won't let me open egroups chat room )

? babynick34 says, Mentioned again in GoF I think

blaise_42 says, yes, there was that interesting clock in the Weasley's house

 gypsycaine says, the twins have watches.

peeves23 says, ps

peeves23 says, that clock rules

peeves23 says, and those mirrors...

p_dumbledore says, Does it still work (HP's watch) didn't it get wiped out from water

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, It reminds of a very odd Muggle watch I saw in a store ; black face with no numbers or anything, and blacks hands but a shining dot on the tip of each hand seemed to be circling on its own

 gypsycaine says, they glanced at them before pulling percy to the family table... (For once you're going to sit with us)

irene8888 says, what sort of watch did they have?

? babynick34 says, centaur , in Greek mythology, creature, half man and half horse. 

blaise_42 says, yes, that's right

blaise_42 says, and they're supposed to be very wise

 gypsycaine says, the centaurs depended on astonomy a bit too much.

brooksindy says, One taught Hercules.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Chiron, the wisest of centaurs, tutor to Heracles and a bunch of smarter people

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? babynick34 says, Chiron taught Hercules

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brooksindy says, GC: Astronomy Dominie?

 gypsycaine says, i learned the pronounciation of that and almost died.

 gypsycaine says, Chiron - sharon!

? babynick34 says, bunch of smart people were: Achilles, Jason, and Asclepius. 

brooksindy says, Hmmm. Achilles was Hermione's first husband.

? babynick34 says, Chiron is now the constellation Sagittarius

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, The other centaurs are shown as uneducated, altho' I think we only see them when they get drunk and start raping the other party guests

peeves23 says, I've heard of the others, but not Asclepius

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? babynick34 says, ? Hermione's first husband?

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Neil, why did you pop in and out of here?

 gypsycaine says, the other.

 gypsycaine says, neil's not in yet.

brooksindy says, Asclepius was first physician, i think?

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Not the Hermione in the Shakespear play?

 gypsycaine says, no, he wasn't the first ...

 gypsycaine says, the staff is named after him.

brooksindy says, Hermione the daughter of Helen of Troy

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 gypsycaine says, (I think)

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brooksindy says, Definitely right. But snakes, why does it have to be snakes!

 gypsycaine says, wish I could recall what the staff is called?

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, Karob

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, cadeucus

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? babynick34 says, There is also a constellation Centaurus. 

blaise_42 says, that's the one

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hi, Diann

 gypsycaine says, wb Diann

 gypsycaine says, thank you.

p_dumbledore says, Hi mike

peeves23 says, anyone know how to check your profile? i've just realised I've no idea what mine says

 gypsycaine says, then there's the oath.

dee_97527 says, Howdy all

 gypsycaine says, which profile peeves?

peeves23 says, yahoo one

blaise_42 says, the oath is Hippocrates, not Aslepius

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, The cadeucus is the staff of Hermes, sign that he is messenger of the Olympians, and used when he leads dead souls to the next world.

 gypsycaine says, you are good!

irene8888 says, you can check your profile right here

 gypsycaine says, go Rita!

? babynick34 says, Where did the Snakes bit come from... I'm lost.

irene8888 says, click on your name

blaise_42 says, there are snakes on the caduceus

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brooksindy says, Oath is hippocratic after hippocratus. (I grew up around hospitals)

irene8888 says, right clilck on your name

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, The cadeucus with two snakes is a picture of when the sage Tiresias saw two snakes mating and separated them with a stick, as punishment he was turned into a woman

peeves23 says, never knew that Hermes lead the dead souls into the next world?

blaise_42 says, he doesn't always. Iris takes Dido down

 gypsycaine says, i know disney's overrate, but I did like their version of Hermes...

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia is in chat

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Seven years later, he saw snakes making again and strategically separated them with another stick in order to be turned back into a man

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia leaves chat

 gypsycaine tosses a "D" up there.

peeves23 says, aha, I've found it

aberforths_goat says, Hi everyone!

dejavu112 is away (Auto-Away)

blaise_42 says, hi

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia is in chat

 gypsycaine says, hey, it's mike the goat!

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gypsycaine HELLO HELLOHELLO HELLOHELLO HELLO

irene8888 says, aaahhhhhh Beatrice

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Hermes leaves dead souls under his title 'psychopompos' whch means 'leader of souls' 

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brooksindy says, He's here at last!!!

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gypsycaine ?!??????!??????!? HELLO Room ?!??????!??????!?

gypsycaine ?????.?????Hello Room!!! ?????.?????

gypsycaine enters,(?`?._(?`?._(?`?._(Hugging_All! )_.???)_.???)_.???) (_.???)_.???)_.???<Hugging_All!>?`?._(?`?._(?`?._)

p_dumbledore says, No, it's the goat sometimes known as Mike..ha!!

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gypsycaine enters, Handing out roses @---}---}---

irene8888 says, your colors are wild

 gypsycaine says, enough with the greetings.

brooksindy says, can't read the yellow.

peeves23 says, gypsycaine, that yellow is unreadable 

aberforths_goat says, Where are these wild colors coming from??

dee_97527 says, Howdy Penny

irene8888 says, cheetachat

 gypsycaine says, macros.

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, But I've seen gardening books say that Iris lead the souls of women while Hermes led the souls of men, therefoe iris flowers were shown on women;s tombstones

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? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Blaise, is there any truth to that, were there even tombstones?

? jenP_97 says, ack.... finally

brooksindy says, Japanese robot aircraft? (Macros)

p_dumbledore says, Mike, I was surprised to find that you were a Maganimal ?? That is a bit of a wizarding trick

blaise_42 says, I don't know, hang on a sec and I'll look it up

? jenP_97 says, sorry - my computer is throwing up at me.

aberforths_goat says, Actually, it's an animal trick.

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia is on pager

brooksindy says, She needs a bit bucket and a memory wipe

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Dee, the 'hugging all 'goes with Tigger's bounce bounce bounce

? jenP_97 says, that's not too far off, brooks.

plinsenmayer says, hi! Did anyone try the egroups chat or did we blow it off?

blaise_42 says, well, it doesn't say anything about leading women's souls down, and I've not heard of it before. Iris is the messenger of the gods and she's symbolised by the rainbow.

brooksindy says, And the most fortunate thing about Tiggers is he's the only one.

blaise_42 says, or rather, one of the messengers of the gods

blaise_42 says, but there were definitely tombstones because I've seen them

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irene8888 says, no one's in the egroup chatroom..i just checked

 gypsycaine says, I sent out a post about it Penny.

peeves23 says, i was tehre earlier

? jenP_97 says, I think I heard it was bad.

peeves23 says, its a bit cack, to be honest

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, As far as I can tell, it was the Hellenes who named the iris flower (said to be native to Turkey) after their rainbow goddess?

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, Not a modern invention?

plinsenmayer says, Ok, so we want to stick with the Yahoo chat then?

peeves23 says, good move, I think

irene8888 says, i think yahoo chat is better

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aberforths_goat says, Seems like a good idea to me.

 gypsycaine says, it's like a step backwards in technology.

blaise_42 says, I'm not sure when the flower was named

irene8888 says, plus cheetachat doesn't work on egroups

? babynick34 says, Yahoo is better, can use Cheeta with it

brooksindy says, Penny, the Egroups chat would not even start up for us mac users.

 gypsycaine says, esp with everyone getting cheeta... grins. wickedly.

aberforths_goat says, What in the name of a name is cheetachat?

 gypsycaine says, www.cheetachat.com

blaise_42 says, but tombstones are ancient. their inscriptions are really useful if you're an archaeologist

dejavu112 is back.

dejavu112 says, And we can't not have cheetachat

irene8888 says, chat software

 gypsycaine says, the best thing on earth, mike for chatters!

gypsycaine : /\ /\ 

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gypsycaine : ():::() 

gypsycaine : VVV WHOOOO.....WHOOOOO

 gypsycaine says, it lets me do neat things like

gypsycaine : /\ /\ 

gypsycaine : ((oVo)) 

gypsycaine : ():::() 

gypsycaine : VVV WHOOOO.....WHOOOOO

gypsycaine : \@|@/ If You Got It!!!!!!

gypsycaine : @\@|@/@ Strut It!!!!!!!

gypsycaine : @\@\?/@/@

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gypsycaine : ,.--. ,.--.

gypsycaine : // \ \ // \ \

gypsycaine : \\ \ / \\ \ /

gypsycaine : `'--' `'--' Who needs some aspirin....

dejavu112 says, Alas I can't see them

 gypsycaine says, and i shall stop now.

aberforths_goat says, Err, is this something I really want to do?

? jenP_97 says, Ah hah! It finally looks like something.

brooksindy says, How many OWLs does she think she is going to get, anyway?

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 gypsycaine says, how many do you want, brook?

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brooksindy says, I'm plural, remember?

 gypsycaine tosses a "s' up there.

brooksindy says, catches it.

 gypsycaine says, how about m&ms?

gypsycaine Drops M&M's all in the room... (m) (m) (m) (m) (m) (m)

 gypsycaine says, that one should work...grins.

brooksindy says, Plain or peanut?

dejavu112 says, Mmm m&ms

dejavu112 says, Don't forget crispy

 gypsycaine says, alas, allergic to peanuts... but i love them.

gypsycaine I AM SAVING THIS CHAT>>>>> LEGAL NOTIFICATION

brooksindy says, And plain is no loner plain

? babynick34 says, Back to Chap7. In case anyone was wondering, an Axminster is: a machine-made carpet having a cut pile and an intricate design of many colors.

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brooksindy says, longer

peeves23 says, chapter 7 of what?

blaise_42 says, GoF

? babynick34 says, GoDF

 gypsycaine bonks peeve.

peeves23 says, ohright

? babynick34 says, where did that D come from!

peeves23 says, hey! stop that

 gypsycaine tosses an s up there, too.

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irene8888 says, what is this 's' all about?

? jenP_97 says, can you guys read this?

irene8888 says, barely

peeves23 says, yes, jen

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dejavu112 says, Yep

blaise_42 says, I can read it, jen

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 gypsycaine says, hit bold jen.

irene8888 says, bold it jen

 gypsycaine says, it helps.

? jenP_97 says, bold.

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? jenP_97 says, I don't like these colors. brb

? catlady_de_los_angeles says, I got PM from Neil. He can't get into the chat under flying_ford_anglia OR his other ID. He told me to apologize to you all for his absence.

 gypsycaine says, i sorta like the smoked grape look.

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 gypsycaine says,  poor neil!

 gypsycaine says, tell him to go get cheeta.

Your buddy flying_ford_anglia is on pager

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? jenP_97 says, (hehehe smoked grape)

 gypsycaine says, it works when yahoo fails.

? babynick34 says, So why did they have to use Port Keys?

plinsenmayer says, I wonder why Neil's ID isn't working?

irene8888 says, well...i think the portkeys works for those who can't apparate

peeves23 says, why did you bonk me, by the way? was it jsut a random bonking or something else? (and I take it you're using the american meaning of the word "bonk" rather than the english one. ;-) )

Your buddy damianablume has gone off pager

You have 1 new messages in Yahoo! Mail ( http://mail.yahoo.com )

blaise_42 says, lol

? babynick34 says, He's probably still at work... mayb


From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Aug 28 00:07:02 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:07:02 -0000
Subject: That Infamous Health-Class Talk... Hogwarts Style!
In-Reply-To: <8oc6jd+lns8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ocaf6+nfgd@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 338

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Alicia/Sue Spinnet" wrote:

> I can *so* see this-- the boys in the fifth-year class are sent out 
> to play Quidditch while the girls are administered that infamous 
> contraception-and-womanhood talk.  I can't imagine Flitwick giving 
> that lecture, though-- but the thought of McGonagall teaching that 
> particular branch of magic to the girls brings tears to my eyes.

If there is a group lecture on the subject, Madam Pomfrey would 
give the lecture to the girls. Not as funny, but more effective. 
Altho' wizard folk may believe that a combination of gutter and 
library is the best way to learn about sex, with marginal 
intervention by house master or parent to make sure they know about 
contraceptives.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Madam Pomfrey gives a talk to the 
first-year girls soon after they arrive ... about menstruation, not 
about where babies come from. (The newspapers tell me that little 
girls nowdays reach menarche significantly before they turn 11, but 
that is one of the things that I trust their internal magic to keep 
the good old-fashioned way.) What do witches do? Magically suppress 
their periods, use magic never-leaking tampons (charmed against Toxic 
Shock Syndrom) and magic pain-killers? Does Pomfrey teach them to do 
their own moon-cycle Charms or do they troop to the Infirmary once a 
month?





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Aug 28 00:55:00 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:55:00 -0400
Subject: WHat To Expect When You're Expecting - Witch Edition
References: <8obuba+94pr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39A9B864.B59D6045@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 339



Rita Winston wrote:

>
> However, I have become attached to believing that female werewolves
> cannot bear live children because the monthly shape-shifting is too
> hard on the fetus.
>
> > What about other shape-shifters?  What would happen if a female
> > animagus transformed while pregnant?  The Child would have to be
> > transformed too... Wouldn't it?
>
> I believe the Animagus shape-shifter (and Transfiguration
> shape-shifts, like 'someone had turned his friend into a badger') are
> much different from were-ism. That way, the fetus can transform back
> and forth without being harmed.
>

A lot of magic things make me wonder about what pregnant women do about them
- I can imagine that flying on a broom is pretty tough at 9 months -
personally, I found sitting in the passenger seat of a car pretty tough at 9
months - but it would also be pretty hard to fly with a newborn (how *do*
they get home from the hospital?) - I assume that parents of newborns, and
probably any baby too young to sit up & hold onto their parents' broom wear
the baby in a sling (if you're not familiar with attachment parenting & want
to see what that looks like, go to
http://store.babycenter.com/baby/g/product/prn/00/06/ - I can see flying
while wearing a baby in one of those) or a baby bjorn carrier type thing
(see http://store.babycenter.com/baby/g/product/600/23/72/1.shtml).
However, I cannot imagine apparating while pregnant - seems like you
seriously increase the risk of Splinching or mangling Mommy & Fetus - but
unless witches know the instant they are pregnant (which *may* be the case)
then there's a chance of apparating during the first few weeks of a
pregnancy without knowing & doing damage ot the fetus or the mommy.

As a (more or less) new mom, I actually have thought about what sorts of
pregnancy & baby books they have for wizarding households, and if I ever
develop the creativity to do a fanfic, especially given how much I loved the
"You bust slug!" portion of the Camping at the Quidditch World Cup scene,
it'll involve pregnant witches & baby wizards. Unless someone wants to take
that idea from me now (please ask me to beta-read!)




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 01:12:19 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:12:19 -0000
Subject: Chat...
Message-ID: <8oce9j+hh8v@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 340

Thanks, Dee, for posting today's chat!  I had a skim through it and 
imagined myself saying things at certain points and it was amusing 
seeing my attempts to enter. 

I was delighted to know that the dreaded Diagon Alley photo of me 
created a small wave of sympathy in the group.  There is a slightly 
more normal image of me in my profile in case you thought I always 
looked that grim.

Neil... 

...is now wearing a brown paper bag over his head.  It's 2.15am and 
he is still at the office, waiting for a taxi.  He will leave in the 
shadows, for fear that his hideous visage should be glimpsed by a 
passing stranger.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 01:17:24 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:17:24 -0000
Subject: Chat...
In-Reply-To: <8oce9j+hh8v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ocej4+9hnl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 341

Neil!  I think you look terrific, dear, and that's serious, not 
joking...(Sighs...If there only wasn't oceans between, you are the 
kind of guy that would be fun on a date! Heels and all!)

Grins...

Dee



--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Flying Ford Anglia" 
<neilward at d...> wrote:
> Thanks, Dee, for posting today's chat!  I had a skim through it and 
> imagined myself saying things at certain points and it was amusing 
> seeing my attempts to enter. 
> 
> I was delighted to know that the dreaded Diagon Alley photo of me 
> created a small wave of sympathy in the group.  There is a slightly 
> more normal image of me in my profile in case you thought I always 
> looked that grim.
> 
> Neil... 
> 
> ...is now wearing a brown paper bag over his head.  It's 2.15am and 
> he is still at the office, waiting for a taxi.  He will leave in 
the 
> shadows, for fear that his hideous visage should be glimpsed by a 
> passing stranger.




From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 01:20:22 2000
From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:20:22 -0000
Subject: Who Are We, Really?
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOMEDNCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <8oceom+4gqq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 342

>>I really am Sister Mary Lunatic of the Convent of Our Lady of 
>>Perpetual Motion.  (The Convent is actually a cover organization 
>>for persons visiting Planet Earth from other portions of the 
>>Galaxy.)

You remind me of those nuns from the plays "Nunsense" and "Late Night 
Catechism." :)
~Kaitlin





From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 01:02:31 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:02:31 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Animagi (was Litter of Werewolves)
References: <8oc75h+c4bb@eGroups.com> <036601c0107c$74044580$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39A9BA26.B8DA072D@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 343

I can settle this one: I heard an audio interview of J.K. Rowling where she flatly said that Harry has inherited no animagus ability from
his father.

>From the source herself.

(Note: I have been busy bookmarking and have collected the URLs of several audio (and written) interviews of Rowling.  Perhaps the people
on this board all know these references already.  If not, and if people make enough interested noises, I'll post them.)

Peg

Denise wrote:

> Sue,
> that's something I brought up earlier!  I wondered that because of James' "Prongness" Harry might not have some animagus abilities....
>
> I thought it possible, but everyone else didn't agree.




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 01:10:10 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:10:10 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] OT - Emerald House Rising
References: <8oa46b+n1hm@eGroups.com> <39A93D4F.E16EEB1F@ibm.net> <39A94A86.5F2CB91F@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <39A9BBF1.F053F40E@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 344

> heidi wrote:

> I have to go OT for a minute, and recommend Emerald House Rising, which is one
> of the best books my husband has ever talked me into reading. I am overwhelmed
> that I am on the same list as Peg Kerr, in part because I so enjoyed this book,
> and in part because it gives more proof to the universe, as if it was even
> necessary, that adults who read HP books are a really terrific group of people.
>
> Peg - very very very glad to see you here.
>

Um, thanks, what a day brightener!  (startled laugh: I didn't expect anyone in the
group would be familiar with my fiction).  And thank you much for the welcome.

Peg




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Aug 28 01:26:34 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:26:34 -0400
Subject: Recording chats, asking questions, writing songs & entering contests
References: <39A9A548.F945BFD1@hic.net>
Message-ID: <39A9BFCA.3A9C51E6@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 345



Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote:

>
> RECORDING THE CHATS -- Heidi -- you're the IP expert.  Any advice for
> Dee on this topic?
>

Copyright is, I believe, owned by Yahoo in the collective chat database,
although of course each person owns their own lines, so we may have to get
Yahoo permission. I will look thru their site to see if it's granted anywhere.
Otherwise, we need to give everyone notice (or at least make it possible for
people to get notified) that we're logging the chats & will post/archive
portions thereof, or the whole kit-n-kaboodle.
I saw that she gave notice during the chat - maybe doing that every 15 minutes
would be a good idea ( don't know how often it was) so everyone gets told - or
if there's some way to use Cheeta to automate telling everyone when they enter,
that would be all you need (other than the yahoo owns copyright portion)


> Dave wrote
>
> > I think one of Harry's major character flaws is that he seems to distrust
> > his elders, even the trustworthy ones (the tragic result of years living
> > under the same roof as Vernon and Petunia Dursley)...
> >
> Yes -- Crouch-as-Moody told Harry that he had a streak of "pride &
> independence" that prevented him from asking others for help (other than
> Hermione & later Ron of course) with the Tri-Wizard Tournament.  That
> characteristic will no doubt come into play more & more.  I also agree
> with whoever observed that he had "Don't ask questions!" drilled into
> his head from the time he was a year old.  He's always had to rely on
> himself to figure out the answers.
>

I was thinking about this as well while listening to the Azkaban tape for the
first time today - he's very very observant, in that he watches everything to
figure it out (although he does blunder sometimes) but apart from his little
questioning sessions of Hagrid & Ron in book 1, Riddle in book 2 and Sirius &
Remus in book 3, pretty much doesn't ask people stuff (other than Ron &
Hermione and sometimes Hagrid & occasionally Dumbledore) - which was an issue
in Book 4, when CrouchMoody expected him to ask everyone how to survive
underwater - but he didn't - he struggled to get hte answer himself.



Ebony Elizabeth wrote:

> I'm a big Broadway fan... yesterday, while listening to the
> soundtrack of "Miss Saigon", the song "I Swear I'd Give My Life For
> You" hit me as a perfect theme for Lily.  Except for the last verse,
> which is really specific to the play.
>
> That's when I began to wonder whether or not there would be a musical
> soundtrack for the Harry Potter movie.  I know Disney annoys a
> lot of people, but I've been an amateur Mousekeeter since birth.
> Seen all the animated movies and most of the live action ones, own
> the soundtracks, and in college had Disney *everything* in the dorm.
> It would be great to have a soundtrack with not only a great score,
> but also positive lyrics written and sung by today's celebrities.
>

I am a big broadway & disney buff myself, and have been listening to my cds
these days with an ear towards both a stage version of HP and the soundtrack
for the movie - I can see Warner Bros doing something like they did for the
recent Batman movies (bad films, interesting soundtracks) and choosing 2-3
artists who are very popular with people in different generations to do the
songs  which are released as singles - or they could ask a british boys group
like Boyzone (are they still together) to do the title song. As long as they
don't choose a woman from north america (I'm thinking Celine Dion, Brittney,
Christina, Mandy or Jessica here) it can't be too terribly horrible. Well,
unless they ask a spice girl (I liked them together, just not apart).
Basically, if I was doing this, I would just ask Charlotte Church to sing a
bunch of songs from various writers who write good songs (thinking of Elvis
Costello, Randy Newman, Sting, Neil Finn, Alan Menkin, Tim Rice, Elton
John/Bernie Taupin).

On a realaudio note, Peg, it would be great to see some of those links. And I'm
glad to've brightened your day! You've made some of my husband's and mine
brighter too - while we were studying for the florida bar, when we really
needed it!

On a contest note, do you all think they'd accept an entry from my 1 year old
son (well, he'll be 13 months old then) - he's under 18, they didn't give any
minimum age, and if the harry potter books didn't exist, he'd be named Holden,
so to that extent it's changed his life. Plus, they're the first chapter books
which were ever read to him - mind, he was 2 weeks old when we started, so I
don't think he remembers them, but he does know who Harry POtter is from the
book covers and the postyers of the books we have hanging in his room.




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 01:54:10 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:54:10 -0000
Subject: Chat 8-27-00
In-Reply-To: <039001c01083$45316880$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8ocgo2+kkfo@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 346

Two things - 1) Dee,/GypsyCaine, I STRONGLY think Chat archives
should be uploaded as files, not sent out as messages, because they
are 
VERY big and REALLY blow up digests.  Also, it wastes bandwidth....

2) For all the participants at that time, I stated during the chat
that "Weatherby" was the name of the agent's director at the United
Network Command for Law Enforcement  in _The Man From Uncle_, in 
relation to Percy (and what Mr. Crouch Sr called him).  This evening
i 
realized that Leo G. Carroll's character was actually named Mr. 
WAVERLEY, not Weatherby.  My apologies for the mis-statement, &
please 
note the correction.

-Brooks





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 00:49:56 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:49:56 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chat 8-27-00
References: <v02140b1eb5cef67c69e0@[140.254.113.101]> <039001c01083$45316880$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <03a301c01089$e39dafa0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 347

Ok, by looking through the chatscript, I noticed something.  All the smileys don't show up!  :(

And I use them alot!

Dee



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From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 02:10:04 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:10:04 -0000
Subject: Pregnant Witches
Message-ID: <8ochls+a3mi@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 348

I have this horrible feeling that pregnant witches may be bundled up  
at home overprotectively, if the population is as small as we fear it 
is.  They might not be let out until after the time has come to pass 
that they are delivered and unto them, a little witch or wizard is 
born.  Although 19th & 20th Century ones might be more assertive.

-BR





From recla at magick.net  Mon Aug 28 02:25:42 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Prof.  Dumbledore)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:25:42 -0000
Subject: Chat...
In-Reply-To: <8oce9j+hh8v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ocij6+g48q@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 349

Gee Sorry Neil..
  I should have taken another.  The disadvantage of silver 
technology, you don't get a chance to see what the picture looks like 
instantly after you take it.   Did enjoy meeting you and wandering 
around London.

Dennis

> I was delighted to know that the dreaded Diagon Alley photo of me 
> created a small wave of sympathy in the group.  There is a slightly 
> more normal image of me in my profile in case you thought I always 
> looked that grim.
> 
> Neil... 





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 02:18:52 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:18:52 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] For Neil....
References: <v02140b1eb5cef67c69e0@[140.254.113.101]> <039001c01083$45316880$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <03f601c01096$50d8d3e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 350

We had discussed Neopets briefly this evening, and I wanted to leave you a link to it: http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=gypsycaine is my shop ic.  I am rather proud of my html work in it (all stolen, lol, and the tune is from napster... yes, I am bad.)  It's a nice stress reducer.  And, that tune in the background?  It's my favorite song from when I was one-three, the first song I ever sang.

For those who haven't a clue what it is, neopets is a website that allows a person to have a cyberpet.  It's a rather nice, interesting site.  You can have up to 4 pets.  And if you wish, I have a program that helps you play hide and seek with that pet (for $$--neopoints).  http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=gypsycaine for those who are interested.

Ok, enough about neopets.  Thanks for the interesting chat!  I hope to do it again soon.

:D
Dee


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 02:30:03 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:30:03 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Animagi and Harry Potter look alikes...
References: <8oc75h+c4bb@eGroups.com> <036601c0107c$74044580$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com> <39A9BA26.B8DA072D@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c01097$e052c200$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 351

:(
Well, it was a good idea.  I guess the Parceltongue and his obvious advanced magic abilities (as in Patronus) will have to be enough..

lol.

Different subject.  My son is sitting here watching Peter Pan.  Wondered, is it me, or does ever boy in movies now look like HP?  Wendy's brother John is wearing HP glasses, and reminds me alot of him (same age?) despite the browner/redder hair tones.

No broomstick though.

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peg Kerr 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Animagi (was Litter of Werewolves)


  I can settle this one: I heard an audio interview of J.K. Rowling where she flatly said that Harry has inherited no animagus ability from
  his father.

  From the source herself.

  (Note: I have been busy bookmarking and have collected the URLs of several audio (and written) interviews of Rowling.  Perhaps the people
  on this board all know these references already.  If not, and if people make enough interested noises, I'll post them.)

  Peg

  Denise wrote:

  > Sue,
  > that's something I brought up earlier!  I wondered that because of James' "Prongness" Harry might not have some animagus abilities....
  >
  > I thought it possible, but everyone else didn't agree.


  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com





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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 03:00:11 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:00:11 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Recording chats, asking questions, writing songs & entering contests
References: <39A9A548.F945BFD1@hic.net> <39A9BFCA.3A9C51E6@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c0109c$17d43660$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 352

There is a way to get yahoo to automatically put the byline in the start of the room (or at least a link, if I AM RECORDING CHATS isn't enough, lol....  btw, I modified that one line to several when I played with the macros, and it's now stating I intend to post the entire chat on the egroups....

The only way to get that "introduction" line is to create a brand-new room, in the main chat area, and not use the club room.  I think that perhaps I can post a message in the club, which will be revealed to all (except the cheeta'ers) who enter through there that all chats are recorded and logged.

As for yahoo, for the last two years, main chat rooms have been recorded by various (and I mean as in over a couple thousand) chatters in the RPG network of chatters.  They haven't said a word about it.  I shall assume that they don't care, as long as it's nothing defaming?

Perhaps Penny can ask next time she calls to complain... ;)

:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: heidi 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 9:26 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Recording chats, asking questions, writing songs & entering contests




  Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote:

  >
  > RECORDING THE CHATS -- Heidi -- you're the IP expert.  Any advice for
  > Dee on this topic?
  >

  Copyright is, I believe, owned by Yahoo in the collective chat database,
  although of course each person owns their own lines, so we may have to get
  Yahoo permission. I will look thru their site to see if it's granted anywhere.
  Otherwise, we need to give everyone notice (or at least make it possible for
  people to get notified) that we're logging the chats & will post/archive
  portions thereof, or the whole kit-n-kaboodle.
  I saw that she gave notice during the chat - maybe doing that every 15 minutes
  would be a good idea ( don't know how often it was) so everyone gets told - or
  if there's some way to use Cheeta to automate telling everyone when they enter,
  that would be all you need (other than the yahoo owns copyright portion)


  > Dave wrote
  >
  > > I think one of Harry's major character flaws is that he seems to distrust
  > > his elders, even the trustworthy ones (the tragic result of years living
  > > under the same roof as Vernon and Petunia Dursley)...
  > >
  > Yes -- Crouch-as-Moody told Harry that he had a streak of "pride &
  > independence" that prevented him from asking others for help (other than
  > Hermione & later Ron of course) with the Tri-Wizard Tournament.  That
  > characteristic will no doubt come into play more & more.  I also agree
  > with whoever observed that he had "Don't ask questions!" drilled into
  > his head from the time he was a year old.  He's always had to rely on
  > himself to figure out the answers.
  >

  I was thinking about this as well while listening to the Azkaban tape for the
  first time today - he's very very observant, in that he watches everything to
  figure it out (although he does blunder sometimes) but apart from his little
  questioning sessions of Hagrid & Ron in book 1, Riddle in book 2 and Sirius &
  Remus in book 3, pretty much doesn't ask people stuff (other than Ron &
  Hermione and sometimes Hagrid & occasionally Dumbledore) - which was an issue
  in Book 4, when CrouchMoody expected him to ask everyone how to survive
  underwater - but he didn't - he struggled to get hte answer himself.



  Ebony Elizabeth wrote:

  > I'm a big Broadway fan... yesterday, while listening to the
  > soundtrack of "Miss Saigon", the song "I Swear I'd Give My Life For
  > You" hit me as a perfect theme for Lily.  Except for the last verse,
  > which is really specific to the play.
  >
  > That's when I began to wonder whether or not there would be a musical
  > soundtrack for the Harry Potter movie.  I know Disney annoys a
  > lot of people, but I've been an amateur Mousekeeter since birth.
  > Seen all the animated movies and most of the live action ones, own
  > the soundtracks, and in college had Disney *everything* in the dorm.
  > It would be great to have a soundtrack with not only a great score,
  > but also positive lyrics written and sung by today's celebrities.
  >

  I am a big broadway & disney buff myself, and have been listening to my cds
  these days with an ear towards both a stage version of HP and the soundtrack
  for the movie - I can see Warner Bros doing something like they did for the
  recent Batman movies (bad films, interesting soundtracks) and choosing 2-3
  artists who are very popular with people in different generations to do the
  songs  which are released as singles - or they could ask a british boys group
  like Boyzone (are they still together) to do the title song. As long as they
  don't choose a woman from north america (I'm thinking Celine Dion, Brittney,
  Christina, Mandy or Jessica here) it can't be too terribly horrible. Well,
  unless they ask a spice girl (I liked them together, just not apart).
  Basically, if I was doing this, I would just ask Charlotte Church to sing a
  bunch of songs from various writers who write good songs (thinking of Elvis
  Costello, Randy Newman, Sting, Neil Finn, Alan Menkin, Tim Rice, Elton
  John/Bernie Taupin).

  On a realaudio note, Peg, it would be great to see some of those links. And I'm
  glad to've brightened your day! You've made some of my husband's and mine
  brighter too - while we were studying for the florida bar, when we really
  needed it!

  On a contest note, do you all think they'd accept an entry from my 1 year old
  son (well, he'll be 13 months old then) - he's under 18, they didn't give any
  minimum age, and if the harry potter books didn't exist, he'd be named Holden,
  so to that extent it's changed his life. Plus, they're the first chapter books
  which were ever read to him - mind, he was 2 weeks old when we started, so I
  don't think he remembers them, but he does know who Harry POtter is from the
  book covers and the postyers of the books we have hanging in his room.


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From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Mon Aug 28 03:12:59 2000
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:12:59 -0700
Subject: Voldemort and the "Tin Woodman Paradox" (was: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings)
In-Reply-To: <8oa4qi+s263@eGroups.com>
References: <39A846D0.5E9AF2E0@hic.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000827135835.00ceb150@pop.mindspring.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 353

At 04:18 AM 8/27/00 +0000, badgers' kin wrote:
>It seems that since he had already assumed *some* kind of physical
>form, a form indistinguishable from a real human form, Ginny's
>survival seems unnecessary to enable this; the important act was the
>stabbing of the diary within which his *memory* lived.

I've been puzzled about this too -- Is the memory of TR, once
it's become external to the diary an "extension" of Voldy,or just
a "hologram" of his former self?  Or are they *both* Voldy, leaving
the question of which is the *real* Lord V.?  (I call this the "Tin
Woodman Paradox", because a similar problem exists in the Oz
books when the Tin Woodman encounters his own severed head
and has a conversation with it -- If his tin self and flesh self are both
still sentient, then which of them is *really* the original guy?)



                                                 -- Dave




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 03:21:50 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:21:50 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Chat 8-27-00
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828032150.0070b83c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 354

At 01:54 08/28/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>Two things - 1) Dee,/GypsyCaine, I STRONGLY think Chat archives
>should be uploaded as files, not sent out as messages, because they
>are 
>VERY big and REALLY blow up digests.  Also, it wastes bandwidth....

I agree with Brooks - it makes more sense to post them as files.  I scanned
the chats online earlier, but I have the e-mail setting selected, so I've
just arrived home (4.15am) to 109 messages, including those chat archives,
which took aeons to download.  My Eudora Light split them into three posts
each, because of the size!  I did wonder what people with the digest setting
would end up getting.

Neil, who did indeed chat with several of Dee's personalities earlier and
learned something about vampires and neopets ...


            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 03:45:20 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:45:20 +0100
Subject: Fertility, babies and such like
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828034520.0072fcd8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 355

All this took of pregancy is making me broody.

No, seriously...

All this talk of pregnancy is making me think how few couples we've
encountered in HP so far.  There are the parents of some of the kids - the
Weasleys, the Dursleys (and the Potters), the Malfoys, the Grangers .... and
that's about it.  Percy had a chaste relationship with Penelope.  Hagrid
tried it on with Maxime.  But, how many of the Hogwart's teachers have shown
the hint of having a partner, let alone a wife or husband?  

I suppose through the kids' eyes, the teachers would seem like asexual or
sexless beings (unless they had a crush on one of them).  At school, the
only teachers I imagined being married were those who were married to
another teacher in the school (strangely rather a lot of them - the staff
room was a bit of a knocking shop). I was shocked to find that my History
teacher (who had a big red face and a handlebar moustache) was dating my
cousin's girlfriend's sister. 

Anyway, back to point, which is 'where are the other halves?'  The sinister
conclusion is that some of them were killed by Voldemort.  Another thought
is that old favourite, 'just because they haven't been mentioned, doesn't
mean they don't exist'. And then there's the idea that the teachers are all
singletons who have devoted their lives to teaching and hardly spare a
thought for sexual doings. Lastly, perhaps some of the teachers are avoiding
the issue because they are animagi, werewolves or whatever and can't have
carnal knowledge of humans. 

With so few breeding couples around, talk of pregnancy is a bit academic and
the size of the wizarding population looks likely to be falling rapidly.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From ymekelly at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 03:53:15 2000
From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Yamil=E9e_Emmanuel-Kelly?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:53:15 -0000
Subject: Hallmark Merchandise
Message-ID: <8ocnnb+haag@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 356

Hi all;

	Heidi wrote and asked me to give her the name and number of 
the stores I went to.  The 1st is Reef Hallmark (561) 967-9999, 2nd 
Annie's Hallmark (561) 433-8883 and the 3rd Sue's Hallmark (561) 
683-8300.  Please remember my friends and I are on a wish list to get 
the ornaments.  Reef and Annie's said they will DEFINENTLY be getting 
in merchandise. Sue's is iffy.

Good Luck 
YMEK





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 03:52:26 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:52:26 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Chat 8-27-00
References: <1.5.4.32.20000828032150.0070b83c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <009d01c010a3$635fa4a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 357

Alright, from here on out, I will upload them to file.  Been avoiding it mainly 'cause I haven't a clue on how to do it!  (Cut and paste, now that I am familiar with--Oracle teacher taught Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v vvvvvveeeeeerrrry earlier in the class but his methods along with Oracle 7...shudders.)  I will upload the first three that I have (and if anyone has the others, they can upload those), and if the founders wish to delete the postings, they can.

Thanks...
:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Chat 8-27-00


  At 01:54 08/28/2000 -0000, you wrote:
  >Two things - 1) Dee,/GypsyCaine, I STRONGLY think Chat archives
  >should be uploaded as files, not sent out as messages, because they
  >are 
  >VERY big and REALLY blow up digests.  Also, it wastes bandwidth....

  I agree with Brooks - it makes more sense to post them as files.  I scanned
  the chats online earlier, but I have the e-mail setting selected, so I've
  just arrived home (4.15am) to 109 messages, including those chat archives,
  which took aeons to download.  My Eudora Light split them into three posts
  each, because of the size!  I did wonder what people with the digest setting
  would end up getting.

  Neil, who did indeed chat with several of Dee's personalities earlier and
  learned something about vampires and neopets ...


              Flying-Ford-Anglia

  *****************************************

     "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
     the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
     its rear lights blazing angrily"

  [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

  *****************************************




  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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From HPforGrownups at egroups.com  Mon Aug 28 03:59:48 2000
From: HPforGrownups at egroups.com (HPforGrownups at egroups.com)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 03:59:48 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HPforGrownups 
Message-ID: <967435188.20266@egroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 358


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPforGrownups 
group.

  File        : /Chatscripts/Hp 7-30-00 
  Uploaded by : gypsycaine at yahoo.com 
  Description : Open with Wordpad or Word 

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/HPforGrownups/Chatscripts/Hp+7-30-00 

To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

http://www.egroups.com/help/files.html


Regards,

gypsycaine at yahoo.com
 






From HPforGrownups at egroups.com  Mon Aug 28 04:00:40 2000
From: HPforGrownups at egroups.com (HPforGrownups at egroups.com)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 04:00:40 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HPforGrownups 
Message-ID: <967435240.18784@egroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 359


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPforGrownups 
group.

  File        : /Chatscripts/hp4gu 8 13 00 
  Uploaded by : gypsycaine at yahoo.com 
  Description : Open with Wordpad or Word 

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/HPforGrownups/Chatscripts/hp4gu+8+13+00 

To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

http://www.egroups.com/help/files.html


Regards,

gypsycaine at yahoo.com
 






From HPforGrownups at egroups.com  Mon Aug 28 04:03:30 2000
From: HPforGrownups at egroups.com (HPforGrownups at egroups.com)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 04:03:30 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HPforGrownups 
Message-ID: <967435410.5141@egroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 360


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPforGrownups 
group.

  File        : /Chatscripts/HP4gu 8-27-00 
  Uploaded by : gypsycaine at yahoo.com 
  Description : Open with Wordpad or Word 

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/HPforGrownups/Chatscripts/HP4gu+8-27-00 

To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

http://www.egroups.com/help/files.html


Regards,

gypsycaine at yahoo.com
 






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 04:03:55 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:03:55 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Chat General info
References: <1.5.4.32.20000828032150.0070b83c@popmail.dircon.co.uk> <009d01c010a3$635fa4a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c010a4$fce63480$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 361

In a general sorta of way, each time I open these on my system (PC, Intel based, non-mac), I use either Wordpad (too big for Notepad) or WORD proper to view them.  The colors are meant to be there, yes.  I took the colors away when I cut/pasted them into the postings, to make things easier.  The larger fonts are "highlighted" folks, mainly the people who are uberposters, lol.. Neil, Nick, Melanie (after today's chat), Rita, and Penny.  There are various messages on there that unfortuneately pop up when you are online and have other friends on your pager:  so and so is online/offline, in chat, etc... and the occasional mail-announcements.  Otherwise, you are getting everything I saw when I was in chat, quite literally, except for private messages (PM, for short, or IM, instant messages, for some).  Btw, should you go to a chatroom and it has the sub-heading NO PMS, it doesn't mean no females.

Ducks to avoid the pillows being thrown at her at this time of night.

Tomorrow, I might not get to post my usual 100 messages, due to the job interview with Hoover (vacuums) shortly past noon.  Keep your fingers crossed for me, please?

Ta Ta, for now!

Dee
    



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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 04:11:59 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:11:59 -0400
Subject: To those who are utilizing the digest feature...
References: <1.5.4.32.20000828032150.0070b83c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00c701c010a6$1ced4060$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 362

I beg your pardon for any problems I inadvertently caused in my postings of the chats.  I really didn't mean to be troublesome!  Let us know, though, how they turned out, just for future reference, though?  

And I have discovered, that even if the file 4.516 megs in size of text, it can be posted in one text post (or in my case, a return/reply email?).

I shall not do it again, but the knowledge that it can be boggles my mind...esp after yahoo.

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Chat 8-27-00


  At 01:54 08/28/2000 -0000, you wrote:
  >Two things - 1) Dee,/GypsyCaine, I STRONGLY think Chat archives
  >should be uploaded as files, not sent out as messages, because they
  >are 
  >VERY big and REALLY blow up digests.  Also, it wastes bandwidth....

  I agree with Brooks - it makes more sense to post them as files.  I scanned
  the chats online earlier, but I have the e-mail setting selected, so I've
  just arrived home (4.15am) to 109 messages, including those chat archives,
  which took aeons to download.  My Eudora Light split them into three posts
  each, because of the size!  I did wonder what people with the digest setting
  would end up getting.

  Neil, who did indeed chat with several of Dee's personalities earlier and
  learned something about vampires and neopets ...


              Flying-Ford-Anglia

  *****************************************

     "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
     the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
     its rear lights blazing angrily"

  [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

  *****************************************




  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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From vjmerri at iquest.net  Mon Aug 28 04:33:05 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:33:05 -0000
Subject: Fertility, babies and such like
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000828034520.0072fcd8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8ocq21+lbqe@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 363

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Neil Ward <neilward at d...> wrote:

> All this talk of pregnancy is making me think how few couples we've
> encountered in HP so far.

 There are the parents of some of the kids - the
> Weasleys, the Dursleys (and the Potters), the Malfoys, the 
Grangers .... and
> that's about it. 

That basically sums up every student with whom we have a really close 
relationship and would know about their parents.  Plus, Seamus and 
his parents (I think they are still married); The Longbottoms, 
several couples mentioned in voldy's gang; Cedric's parents; Justin 
Finch mentioned his parents.

I think there are lots of couples mentioned in HP.  In fact, I 
conclude the opposite from what you seem to conclude, rather than not 
having many couples, there are actually far more couples in the 
wizarding world than there may be in the muggle world.  Dumbledore 
mentions several pairs from "the old days."


Percy had a chaste relationship with Penelope.
-----------

Yeah, it was SO chaste he was necking with her in an empty 
classroom :-) back when he was 16.

Hagrid > tried it on with Maxime.

Unfortunately for Hagrid, except for size, they don't have a lot in 
common.

> But, how many of the Hogwart's teachers have shown
> the hint of having a partner, let alone a wife or husband?  

No one that I can think of has had an implied partner.

> I suppose through the kids' eyes, the teachers would seem like 
asexual or > sexless beings (unless they had a crush on one of them). 

Students always do, even if their teachers are married.

> room was a bit of a knocking shop). I was shocked to find that my 

I need an English/American translation, please.

> Anyway, back to point, which is 'where are the other halves?'  The 
sinister
> conclusion is that some of them were killed by Voldemort.  Another 
thought
> is that old favourite, 'just because they haven't been mentioned, 
doesn't
> mean they don't exist'.


Except that many of the teachers stay at Hogwarts for Christmas, so 
that definitely implies that they don't have a spouse/partner/family 
to share Christmas.

McGonigal, Snape, Dumbledore and I forget who else, as clearly 
mentioned during Christmas dinners, which in my mind indicates they 
have no better place to go.  Now some teachers would always need to 
stay to keep an eye on the students who also stayed, but its been the 
same professors in books 1 - 3, so they really don't seem to have 
partners.

Now some of the other professors might go off to the train station 
and then apparate home from there.  Madame Pomfrey, Professor 
Sinestra, Professor Vector and several others have been mentioned by 
name as teaching at the school but not coming to christmas, so they 
must have a better place to go.

Actually, I don't think that JKR has thought about this in such 
obvious terms, because it is exceptionally amazing that the 
professors we know the best stay for Christmas and the ones that are 
nothing but names go away for the holidays, but still, this is an 
intra universe explanation that works.

 And then there's the idea that the teachers are all
> singletons who have devoted their lives to teaching and hardly 
spare a
> thought for sexual doings. Lastly, perhaps some of the teachers are 
avoiding
> the issue because they are animagi, werewolves or whatever and 
can't have
> carnal knowledge of humans. 
> 
> With so few breeding couples around, talk of pregnancy is a bit 
academic and
> the size of the wizarding population looks likely to be falling 
rapidly.
> 
> Neil
>             Flying-Ford-Anglia
> 
>  *****************************************
> 
>    "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
>    the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
>    its rear lights blazing angrily"
> 
>  [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]
> 
>  *****************************************




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 04:48:41 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:48:41 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Fertility, babies and such like
References: <8ocq21+lbqe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011501c010ab$3d906860$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 364

I loved that Son of Scabbers, lol!  Who is the author, so I can congratulate them?

The concept is wonderful...and I CAN see Remus and Sirius as hippies quite well!

Dee


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From melaniem68 at home.com  Mon Aug 28 06:02:03 2000
From: melaniem68 at home.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:02:03 -0000
Subject: I'm back on the broomstick again!!!
Message-ID: <8ocv8r+3brq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 365

I'm sorry I haven't posted here until now.  Since Thursday, I haven't 
been able to access the eGroups web site from work.  I've had no such 
problems on my home computer, and at work, it's only recent, and (as 
far as I know) limited to eGroups.  I suspect my company has recently 
restricted our computers from the site.  Maybe some of us were 
spending too much time there, and for some reason, they want us to 
actually do our jobs <g>!

At any rate, I've just caught up on all my posts for this club (in 
both Yahoo! and eGroups), and I wanted to address a few of the issues 
I saw tossed around.

YAHOO! ALTER EGOS:
On Yahoo!, I'm better known as ravenclawlady, though I was also in the 
club as melaniem68.  You will be hearing from the ravenclawlady here, 
as well.  I just signed up here under ravenclawlady at yahoo.com, so I 
could at least follow the discussion when I'm at work.  That is 
assuming that the Yahoo! site doesn't become restricted there, and 
that my Yahoo! ID isn't destroyed by a hacker.  Which brings me to...


THREATS:
I saw that post yesterday too.  I immediately went to delete the 
poster from the club, but saw he was already gone.  At first, I 
thought he'd just joined the club long enough to have his say, then 
jumped ship.  I later saw in the eGroups messages that Penny had 
deleted him.  I guess great minds think alike (and so do ours).

I did, however, report the message to TOS Abuse.  If Penny or anyone 
else also did, great.  My message will just reinforce theirs.


FANFIC
As you may have already seen, I added a folder in the "Files" section, 
labeled "Fanfic".  That way, our many (several?) fanfiction authors 
have a place to post their work, for easy access by the rest of us.  A 
couple of weeks before the move, Jim asked if the club had a place for 
such a thing.  Well Jim, we have that here!  The first thing I'll put 
in there, on your behalf, is "The Granger Interview".  Great piece, 
BTW.


MESSAGE ORDER
I believe that is, unfortunately, eGroups-wide.  I belong to a list 
dealing with Yahoo merger issues, and see that complaint often there.


HTML POSTING
Someone (I think it was Dee) asked how HTML messages appeared on the 
digest and on text-only e-mail.  It doesn't show HTML tags, per se.  
It does, however, throw in a lot of extraneous symbols.  The most 
common is an = or an =20 at the end of each line.  Also, if the 
message is sent with "special" quotation marks, an apostrophe will 
appear as an =92 (quotation marks also show as an = and a number, but 
I've forgotten which).  So, for example, the word "you're" will appear 
as "you=92re".


Well, I think that's all the business for now.  Tomorrow, I hope to 
start up again with the "fun" posts.

Melanie





From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 28 06:54:17 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:54:17 -0400
Subject: PoU
Message-ID: <02a701c010bc$c9cb16c0$0100000a@joywelan>

No: HPFGUIDX 366

I've just finished what's there of PoU, and I'm reeling... better put some
spoiler space, just in case.

W
H
Y

H
A
V
E
N
T

Y
O
U

READ THIS YET?

Heh, okay.  That was absolutely the most amazing thing I've ever read.  My
head's full of questions.  I'm sure most of them can't be answered yet, but
I'm going to ask anyway.

First, my ugly American questions.  I'm needing some British definitions...
Indulge me. <g>
git
knackered
revising
Cor
bubble and squeak
vegemite
naff

Now for my questions... they're in chronological order of the story.
1.  Is Justin gay?  I'm not sure if the slang has the same meaning in
Britain, but where I come from "playing for the other team" has that
connotation.  At some point when Hermione offers him a kiss he says
something to the effect of "That's not my team."  This is one of those
things that doesn't matter, but that intrigued me.
2.  Is Harry named for his father?  If he is, could that show some sort of
premonition on their part that they weren't going to live?... giving him a
piece of them to carry, in a way.
3.  Harry says at one point that when James wasn't there to guide him, the
elves were.  Is this a figure of speech, or does Harry have a relationship
with them that we don't know about yet?
4.  Is it commonplace for someone to notify this list when a new chapter
comes out?  I'll be waiting in line at midnight in full costume... ; )
5.  What happened to Sirius and Hagrid?  Did they die of old age, or
something more sinister?

Last but not least, my opinions:
This story had more "break my heart and then mend it" moments than I thought
possible.  Just when I was all teary eyed at a tragedy, there would be
another twist to solve that calamity, and create another one.  I've also
never read a story that literally had my jaw drop before.  When Quinn
started talking to Gerald, I thought I'd lost it permanently.  I loved all
of the little details.  The grapevine and the Bauble bubbles were my
personal favorites.  Oh, and Allegra reminded me of Ursula from "The Little
Mermaid".  I can't quite put my finger on it... something about the way she
poses and taunts.

Forgive my babbling... it's 3 am, and I read the whole thing in one
sitting...

~Joy~




From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 08:24:17 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:24:17 -0000
Subject: JKR interviews  
In-Reply-To: <39A9BA26.B8DA072D@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8od7jh+77jf@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 367

Peg Kerr wrote:

<<(Note: I have been busy bookmarking and have collected the URLs of 
several audio (and written) interviews of Rowling.  Perhaps the 
people on this board all know these references already.  If not, and 
if people make enough interested noises, I'll post them.)>>

Please, do!  JKR's interviews are always full of interesting tidbits, 
but I never know where to look for them.  A list of URLs would be 
wonderful.  

And thank you very much for your compliment on my writing.  That 
means a lot to me.  

~Blaise.  




From Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 08:35:41 2000
From: Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk (Pam Scruton)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:35:41 -0000
Subject: That Infamous Health-Class Talk... Hogwarts Style!
In-Reply-To: <8ocaf6+nfgd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8od88t+i2go@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 368

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rita Winston" 

> Actually, I'm pretty sure that Madam Pomfrey gives a talk to the 
> first-year girls soon after they arrive ... about menstruation, not 
> about where babies come from. (The newspapers tell me that little 
> girls nowdays reach menarche significantly before they turn 11, but 
> that is one of the things that I trust their internal magic to keep 
> the good old-fashioned way.) 

In British schools it is usually the school nurse who gives 'the 
talk' in Primary Schools (age 5 to 11 in England and Wales, 5 - 12 in 
Scotland) and if our local school is anything to go by, she gives the 
talk separately to boys and girls.   Actually it isn't 'the talk' it 
is 'the subject' and is taught at different levels in different 
guises pretty well throughout school.  Sex Education in secondary 
schools (11/12 - 16/18) is a big debating point in Britain - some 
schools provide sex ed separately for boys and girls, some teach boys 
and girls together and some do both depending on what is being 
taught. 

So at least Hogwarts pupils attending muggle schools would have 
had 'the talk' anyway.  

Pam




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 09:19:37 2000
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:19:37 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Animagi (was Litter of Werewolves)
References: <8oc75h+c4bb@eGroups.com> <036601c0107c$74044580$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003101c010d1$167883e0$8971023e@SHASTA>

No: HPFGUIDX 369


> Sue,
> that's something I brought up earlier!  I wondered that because of James'
"Prongness" Harry might not have some animagus abilities....
>

Peg pointed out one JKR interview.  In one I read a while back, she also
said that at least Harry and Ron will not *become* Animagi either.

Baaaaaa!

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 11:24:11 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:24:11 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Fertility, babies and such like
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828112411.0072b384@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 370

Vicki wrote:

>That basically sums up every student with whom we have a really close 
>relationship and would know about their parents.  Plus, Seamus and 
>his parents (I think they are still married); The Longbottoms, 
>several couples mentioned in voldy's gang; Cedric's parents; Justin 
>Finch mentioned his parents.
>
>I think there are lots of couples mentioned in HP.  In fact, I 
>conclude the opposite from what you seem to conclude, rather than not 
>having many couples, there are actually far more couples in the 
>wizarding world than there may be in the muggle world.  Dumbledore 
>mentions several pairs from "the old days."

Yes, with a few exceptions (some of the old gang, you're right), the couples
we encounter are the parents or guardians of the main characters and we can
assume that most of the other children, being children, have two parents
'behind the scenes'.  I was thinking more of the teachers and other
characters.  I don't agree that there are *more* couples in the wizarding.
In fact, my point was less about the number of couples [let's not have
another 'numbers of...' debate] and more about how strange it is that so
many of the key adult characters appear to be on their own and childless.     

>Actually, I don't think that JKR has thought about this in such 
>obvious terms, because it is exceptionally amazing that the 
>professors we know the best stay for Christmas and the ones that are 
>nothing but names go away for the holidays, but still, this is an 
>intra universe explanation that works.

I agree.  It's that old 'Star Trek' ensemble cast thing again [that's what
you mean by intra universe, I suppose].  There's no point in putting
Professor No-name, teacher of Ancient Runes, at the Christmas dinner table
unless you give him a few lines - "pass the salt, please" - so, he
conveniently shuffles off to slice the Yule Log with the unmentionable Mrs
No-name.  

**A knocking shop, since you asked, is slang meaning a place [workplace,
club, bar] where people seem to end up pairing off for sexual activity on an
unusually regular basis. Hogwarts Castle is not, therefore, a knocking shop. 

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 11:38:04 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:38:04 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] PoU
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828113804.0071eacc@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 371

>First, my ugly American questions.  I'm needing some British
definitions...Indulge me. <g>

Happy to indulge!

>git [stupid idiot]

>knackered [exhausted]

>revising [studying - e.g. going through your notes before an exam]

>Cor [Wow!]

>bubble and squeak [leftover potatoes and cabbage/greens, formed into
patties and fried]

>vegemite [an Australian term - dark, savoury concentrate for spreading on
sandwiches or making stock.  The UK equivalent would be Marmite - a yeast
spread]

>naff [worthless/unfashionable]

You also said:

>1.  Is Justin gay?  I'm not sure if the slang has the same meaning in
>Britain, but where I come from "playing for the other team" has that
>connotation.  

It means the same here - "batting for the other side" is a variant.  I
assumed Justin was meant to be gay.


Joy, there is an egroups for discussing PoU.  I don't have the URL, but it's
listed under ParadigmOfUncertainty.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From lrcjestes at msn.com  Mon Aug 28 12:41:02 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (Carole Estes)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:41:02 -0000
Subject: PoU
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000828113804.0071eacc@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8odmku+kp3p@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 372


> Joy, there is an egroups for discussing PoU.  I don't have the URL, 
but it's
> listed under ParadigmOfUncertainty.
> 
> Neil

here it is:

http://www.egroups.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty

carole




From conij at tcinternet.net  Mon Aug 28 14:18:28 2000
From: conij at tcinternet.net (Coni)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:18:28 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] re: WHat To Expect When You're Expecting - Witch Edition
References: <8obuba+94pr@eGroups.com> <39A9B864.B59D6045@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <009701c010fa$ec948a40$604ffea9@coni>

No: HPFGUIDX 373

> - I can imagine that flying on a broom is pretty tough at 9 months -
> personally, I found sitting in the passenger seat of a car pretty tough at
9

Just a side note... my grandparents eloped on his motorcycle and it was the
only transportation they had... including the trip to the hospital when she
went into labor.  Difficult, but not impossible. :)

Coni




From nick at nicmit.com  Mon Aug 28 14:35:10 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:35:10 -0000
Subject: Recording chats, asking questions, writing songs & entering contests
In-Reply-To: <39A9BFCA.3A9C51E6@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <8odtav+p2qo@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 374

>That's when I began to wonder whether or not there would be a musical
>soundtrack for the Harry Potter movie.

Yes, I believe there will be.  It appears that John Williams is doing 
the score.   He would not have been my first choice
 but he is a 
respected composer (if a little old now) so knows what he's doing.

>It would be great to have a soundtrack with not only a great score,
but also positive lyrics written and sung by today's celebrities.

Not always a good thing
 soundtracks date movies.  To give the
film a 
long lasting shelf-life, a score without any lyrics would be better.  
However, I also feel that a few songs would not go far wrong
 and
my 
favioute duo for that is Tim Rice and Elton John.

>I can see Warner Bros doing something like they did for therecent 
Batman movies (bad films, interesting soundtracks)

Batman was done my Danny Elfman
 my personal choice for composer
for 
the HP films.  For those of you who do not know Danny's work

he did 
Edward Sissorhands (you must have seen the Channel No5. Advert with 
the Wolf), Bettlejuice, Mars Attacks and more recently Sleepy 
Hollow.    I think Dannys stile would have been great for the HP 
films, but alas, we have the Star Wars composer.

? and choosing 2-3artists who are very popular with people in 
different generations to do thesongs which are released as singles - 
or they could ask a british boys grouplike Boyzone (are they still 
together) to do the title song. 

Oh no
 Elton John would be fine, he appeals to both parents and
kids 
(see Lion King, Eldorardo)

? On a realaudio note, Peg, it would be great to see some of those 
links.
 
 On a real audio note
 I have a RealAudio capable webhost, so
could 
host .RAM files if needed. - though only two connections can listen 
at a time.
 
Also music wise
 maybe we should all hunt out what music we think 
would be nice, and if possible locate some MIDI files of them - so 
that others can hear.
 
? the posters of the books we have hanging in his room.

Posters
 me want, me want.  Where did you get them from?  I
haven't 
found a way of getting ex-display stuff here in the UK yet.


Nick.





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Aug 28 14:34:44 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:34:44 -0400
Subject: Judge Allen Schwartz
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A808@FTLEXC1>

No: HPFGUIDX 375

That's the judge who is presiding over the Nancy Stouffer litigation (she's
the woman who claims trademarks in the term MUGGLES and in Larry & Lilly
Potter, etc.).
When I read the ruling last week where he refused to dismiss the case, I
decided to check him out a little - turned out to be easier than I thought!
He used to be a partner in the lititgaiton department of the New York City
office of Proskauer Rose Goetz & Mendelson.
My husband used to be an associate in the lititgaiton department of the New
York City office of Proskauer Rose Goetz & Mendelson. And yes, he worked on
a few cases for Judge Schwartz.

And here's his take:
He's basically a good guy, great litigator, used to be in charge of the
Baseball Commission in NYC under Ed Koch, so he's more of a democrat than a
conservative, politically.He also has a great baseball memerobillia
collection
He's a real stickler for following the rules, and he has a better-than-basic
grasp of intellectual property issues.
When I see another of aaron's friends in NYC in 2 weeks, I will find out
more - she stayed at proskauer a few years after he left, and would be able
to tell me more.


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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Aug 28 14:45:45 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:45:45 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Recording chats, asking questions, writin g songs & entering contests
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No: HPFGUIDX 376

> ? the posters of the books we have hanging in his room.
> 
> Posters... me want, me want.  Where did you get them from?  I
> haven't 
> found a way of getting ex-display stuff here in the UK yet.

Ebay! 


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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Aug 28 15:00:44 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:00:44 -0000
Subject: an review of the new Harold Bloom book
Message-ID: <8oduqs+94q7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 377

You may remember him as that git who wrote a criticism of the HP 
books for the Wall Street Journal, criticising the writing, the 
plotlines, the dialogue, and the (huh?) lack of sex in the books. He 
has a new book out, and it was reviewed in The Guardian last sunday -
here's a bit from the review, which is at 
http://www.booksunlimited.co.uk/reviews/classics/0,6121,356270,00.html
 I've starred the more interesting passages.
Harold Bloom was once an interesting critic. In the 1970s, he 
developed an extravagant theory of literary creation for which all 
authors were locked in Oedipal combat with some mighty predecessor. 
Literature was the upshot of rivalry and resentment, as poets beset 
by what Bloom called the 'anxiety of influence' sought to triumph 
over some 'strong' precursor by rewriting his or her text as their 
own. All literary works were a kind of plagiarism, a creative 
misreading of earlier efforts. Wordsworth tried to kill off Milton 
and Shelley had it in for Shakespeare. The meaning of a poem was 
another poem. 
The critical wheel, however, has come full circle. Aghast at the 
theoretical excesses to which he so robustly contributed, Bloom, on 
the threshold of his seventieth birthday, has reverted to the quote-
and-dote school of criticism. Indeed, he has fallen back to a level 
of critical banality which might even have embarrassed Oxbridge 
aesthetes like Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch. 
How to Read and Why takes us on a Cook's tour of some of its author's 
favourite poems, plays and novels, boring the reader with plodding 
plot summaries or ludicrously long quotations and then adding a few 
amateurish, undemanding comments. Thus, Maupassant is 'marvellously 
readable', the pleasures of great poetry are 'many and varied', 
while 'Shelley and Keats were very different poets, and were not 
quite friends'. 
It would be charitable to think that Bloom writes as slackly and cack-
handedly as he does because he is out to attract the general reader. 
He is admirably intent on rescuing literature from the arcane rituals 
of US academia and restoring it to a wider audience. ***Even so, you 
cannot help suspecting that this rambling, platitudinous stuff is 
about the best he can now muster. *** As with all his work, a certain 
desperation runs beneath the heroism. Literature is the last 
surviving source of value in a degraded world, the only antidote to 
an academia obsessed with cross-dressing and multiculturalism. 
*Bloom is right to criticise US academia as sexually obsessed; but if 
literature is all that stands between us and suicide, then we might 
as well commit suicide. 
His criticism is all about the success ethic and the terrors of being 
a loser. 'The creator of Sir John Falstaff, of Hamlet, and of 
Rosalind,' he tells us, 'also makes me wish I could be more myself.' 
There are those malicious souls for whom Bloom is quite enough 
himself without there being even more of him, but the notion of 
reading as a kind of self-entrepreneurship is plain enough. 
Why does Bloom need to augment the self? 'We read,' he suggests, 'not 
only because we cannot know enough people, but because friendship is 
so vulnerable, so likely to diminish or disappear, overcome by space, 
time, imperfect sympathies and all the sorrows of familial and 
passional life.' ** It sounds as though Harold is a bit short of 
mates and reads to make up for it. Perhaps he alienates them by his 
repeated chanting of excessively long poems. **
But there are other reasons for reading besides 'alleviating 
loneliness'. If there is Bloom the self-therapist, there is also 
Bloom the American TV evangelist, full of windy moralistic rhetoric 
about how to 'apprehend and recognise the possibility of the good, 
help it to endure, give it space in your life'. 
Bloom may idolise Shakespeare with all the sticky sentiment of a 
teenage groupie, but his own language can be as cheap and threadbare 
as Jimmy Swaggart's. This book provides us with a number of reasons 
to read great literature, but none at all to read Harold Bloom.





From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 15:25:10 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:25:10 -0000
Subject: fanfic recommendation
Message-ID: <8oe08m+gh8b@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 378

I've just finished reading the first two chapters of an unfinished 
story on FFN, and I want to share it with all you other fanfic 
readers.  It's called 'Pas de Deux' by Soz, and it's about Alastor 
Moody and the rise of Voldemort.  And it's excellent. 
The characterisation is vivid, the writing flows well, with some 
lovely similes, and the plot is gripping.  It's worth reading.    

Here's the URL of the first chapter:  

http://www.fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=story-read&storyid=63123

~Blaise.  








From jickndim at garden.net  Mon Aug 28 15:35:30 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:35:30 -0000
Subject: Thanks Nick/re: Profiles
In-Reply-To: <8obe7h+su4g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oe0s2+2bop@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 379

  Thanks Nick,

 I found the check off box just before I signed off the other day.  I 
had been looking at it and just didn't see it.  It must have been 
under some temporary anti-muggle spell.

Jim




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 15:37:56 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:37:56 -0000
Subject: English-to-American
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000828113804.0071eacc@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8oe10k+mgnl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 380

Here's a foodstuff that didn't get translated in the US edition (SS 
vice PS)  - what is a knickerbocker glory?




From czar7706 at swbell.net  Mon Aug 28 15:42:15 2000
From: czar7706 at swbell.net (czar7706 at swbell.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:42:15 -0000
Subject: Actor for Harry Potter
Message-ID: <8oe18n+2i22@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 381

My Daughter was telling me about the ABC interview of the child actor 
destined to be Harry Potter.  Im ashamed to admit I was not able to 
catch the interview so if any one could let me know where I could see 
it on the net Id really apreciate it.  However in the interview the 
child was stating how he had only read the fist two books and really 
remembered little of the characters. My daughter was really 
disapointed in this actor.  Almost didnt want to see the movie.  She 
loves the series so much and yet she will have a difficult time
seeing 
this boy on the screen and believe its really Harry when in the back 
of her mind that this kid isnt a real fan himself.  She was really 
taken back!  All I can say is that the kids agent should be hung by 
his thumbs for not better prepairing this boy for his interview and 
make him read the books and be knowledgeable of the characters.  Well 
leave it to Warner Brothers to Muck up a good thing.  I hope they
will 
do some damage controll here.  I hope my daughters reaction was a 
isolated one.  RK has done such a fabulous job and given our children 
such a great gift.  I hope Warner Brothers wont take it away with 
superficial acting and more blunders in PR.

Megans Dad




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Mon Aug 28 15:45:11 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 08:45:11 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: English-to-American
Message-ID: <20000828154511.22696.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 382

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From laura_reb at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 15:48:14 2000
From: laura_reb at hotmail.com (Laura Briscoe)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:48:14 -0000
Subject: hello, hello, hello. . . .
In-Reply-To: <20000827.002030.-802501.0.drmm@juno.com>
Message-ID: <8oe1ju+d7fh@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 383

> Anyway about me, I'm a 21 year old senior English/History major in
> Nebraska (the place where (American) college football is the 
national
> sport and red the national color).  

Sorry for being slightly off topic, but my new boyfriend is like one 
of the biggest Huskers fans I have ever met in my life!!! I can never 
see the words "Nebraska" "Red" "Corn" or "Huskers" without laughing 
and thinking of him. I have to admit that it's rubbing off on me,
too. 
We are both counting down the days to the first Huskers game of the 
season!! Yay! But, I am also still loyal to our Utah reds... Go
Utes!! 
(wait... I think because of PC reasons, we might be the redtailed 
hawks now... oh well!) Ok, this is starting to ramble and be stupid. 
I'll shut up now. But before I go...

Last Movie Seen: the Beatles "Yellow Submarine"
CD in my (boyfriend's) Car: Red Hot Chili Peppers
Current Book: (BESIDES GoF for like the 5th time...) The Seamstress, 
by Sara Tuvel Bernstein

Much Love!!! Big Hug!
Laura 
(Joan)




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 15:50:45 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:50:45 -0000
Subject: Staying over at Christmas
Message-ID: <8oe1ol+lh3p@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 384

I keep drifting back to what I know of English public schools (what 
USA types would call private schools).  Which is mostly from reading  
and watching _Goodbye Mr. Chips_, bits of _Tom Brown's Schooldays_, a 
_Sandman_ comic or three, Kipling's _Stalky & Co._, and Neil Gaimans' 
autobiographical short story with a title something like "One Life 
Decorated with Early Moorcock".

Just because the teachers are there at Christmas, doesn't mean they 
are staying or living at Hogwarts the school.  They may indeed have 
quarters there, especially the Heads of Houses - in fact those almost 
certainly do, since they are around late at night -  but is there any 
reason the others don't live in Hogsmeade, and come up to school for 
Christms feast, for the same reason anyone might go out to dinner on 
such a holiday?   The other Profs don't *have* to go far away like
the 
students - most teachers live in towns near their schools anywhere
you 
go, right?

In other words they may not be so cloistered as we assume.

-Brooks




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 15:52:27 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:52:27 -0000
Subject: English-to-American
In-Reply-To: <20000828154511.22696.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <8oe1rr+9o44@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 385

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, voicelady at m... wrote:
> On Mon, 28 August 2000, "Brooks R" wrote:
> 
> > Here's a foodstuff that didn't get translated in the US edition 
(SS vice PS)  - what is a knickerbocker glory?
> 
> I'm not quite positive, but isn't it an ice cream dessert?


Seems so from context but I'd like details.

-BR




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 15:59:49 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:59:49 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: English-to-American
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828155949.00721500@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 386

At 08:45 08/28/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>On Mon, 28 August 2000, "Brooks R" wrote:
>
>> Here's a foodstuff that didn't get translated in the US edition (SS vice
PS)  - what is a knickerbocker glory?
>
>I'm not quite positive, but isn't it an ice cream dessert?

Yes.  It's a really over-the-top ice cream sundae in a very tall glass
which, I suppose, looks like the leg of a pair of knickerbockers.  I've
mentioned before that I've always regarded it as being a very American-style
dessert (ironic, since most Americans have never heard of it) and that early
New York residents were nicknamed Knickerbockers.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 16:18:25 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:18:25 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Staying over at Christmas
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828161825.007204b0@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 387

At 15:50 08/28/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>Just because the teachers are there at Christmas, doesn't mean they 
>are staying or living at Hogwarts the school.  They may indeed have 
>quarters there, especially the Heads of Houses - in fact those almost 
>certainly do, since they are around late at night -  but is there any 
>reason the others don't live in Hogsmeade, and come up to school for 
>Christms feast, for the same reason anyone might go out to dinner on 
>such a holiday?   The other Profs don't *have* to go far away like
>the students - most teachers live in towns near their schools anywhere
>you go, right?
>
>In other words they may not be so cloistered as we assume.

You may be right about that, but IMO it would make it even more surprising
that we haven't seen a husband or wife of one of the teachers, so far.  The
Yule Ball springs to mind as a good opportunity to have mentioned one or two
'extras'.  If they had quarters in the school or lived in Hogsmeade, isn't
also likely that they'd get involved in school life now and again (wasn't
Mrs Chipping often entertaining the pupils in ..."Mr Chips"?).  Anyway, I
seem to be doing this 'lonely teachers' theory to death... I'll shut up now.

Neil 
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From warmsley at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 28 15:31:12 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:31:12 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Recording chats, asking questions, writing songs & entering contests
Message-ID: <01c01104$ff449540$0100007f@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 388

> >That's when I began to wonder whether or not there would be a
musical
> >soundtrack for the Harry Potter movie.
>
> Yes, I believe there will be.  It appears that John Williams
is doing
> the score.   He would not have been my first choice but he is
a
> respected composer (if a little old now) so knows what he's
doing.
>

Hurrah! I think he'll be good, personally.

> >It would be great to have a soundtrack with not only a great
score,
> > but also positive lyrics written and sung by today's
celebrities.
>
> Not always a good thing soundtracks date movies.  To give the
> film a
> long lasting shelf-life, a score without any lyrics would be
better.
> However, I also feel that a few songs would not go far wrong
and
> my
> favioute duo for that is Tim Rice and Elton John.
>

Noo! Anything but, please... :-)
I think the best bet would be to stick to a traditional,
no-words-but-nice-tunes background music - if they go for the
"pop" route, sure, they'll please all the 8 year olds but
they'll majorly annoy a lot of other people. Me, for one. (And
that's all I care about, after all). :-)

>I can see Warner Bros doing something like they did for
therecent
> Batman movies (bad films, interesting soundtracks)
>
> Batman was done my Danny Elfman my personal choice for
composer
> for
> the HP films.  For those of you who do not know Danny's work
> he did
> Edward Sissorhands (you must have seen the Channel No5. Advert
with
> the Wolf), Bettlejuice, Mars Attacks and more recently Sleepy
> Hollow.    I think Dannys stile would have been great for the
HP
> films, but alas, we have the Star Wars composer.
>

That would have been cool, actually.

>  and choosing 2-3artists who are very popular with people in
> different generations to do thesongs which are released as
singles -
> or they could ask a british boys grouplike Boyzone (are they
still
> together) to do the title song.
>
> Oh no Elton John would be fine, he appeals to both parents
and
> kids
> (see Lion King, Eldorardo)
>

But not to a lot of people in between, which I believe must make
up a significant amount of HP's audience? Or am I on my own
here. :-).
Of course, target markets and all that, they'd probably be
pretty safe with someone like Boyzone, as the parents are going
to go see it with the kids anyway, and the dedicated fans aren't
going to be put off by the music.
Am I making any sense?

>  On a realaudio note, Peg, it would be great to see some of
those
> links.
>
> On a real audio note I have a RealAudio capable webhost, so
> could
> host .RAM files if needed. - though only two connections can
listen
> at a time.
>
> Also music wise maybe we should all hunt out what music we
think
> would be nice, and if possible locate some MIDI files of
them - so
> that others can hear.
>

I actually wrote a song - two songs - about HP people, because
I'm kinda sad like that. ;-). One of them, "Thirty Pieces of
Silver", is about Sirius in Azkaban, and the other, "High
Windows" (thanks, Blaise), is about Neville... the lyrics aren't
exactly totally explicit, but that's what I had in mind when I
was writing them. I'll see if I can put them back up on the net
at some point, as I had to delete them due to lack of space...


Oh, and I'm 17 and therefore am eligible for the contest - could
someone pass me the link, as I've lost it...

--
Jeremy/Peeves_is_peeved
www.btinternet.com/~warmsley/mp3/





From jay at mutability.com  Mon Aug 28 17:23:50 2000
From: jay at mutability.com (jay barrow)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:23:50 -0000
Subject: Weasley's House
Message-ID: <8oe776+hssm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 389

How many levels are in this house?  I think I counted 7 or 8, unless 
I'm misreading something.  I was reading GoF (US edition) to my 
nephew yesterday, very early on in which Ron, Hermione, Ginny and 
Harry climb the stairs to Ron's room at the top.  I'd already read 
this chapter once myself a few days ago, but the second time around I 
noticed that there seems to be an awful lot of floors to the 
Weasley's home.  At one point, they pass Percy's room on the 5th 
floor, I believe, but when everyone is outside preparing for dinner, 
Percy pokes his head out of "the second story window" to shout at 
everyone to keep down the noise (as he was working diligently on his 
Cauldron thickness report).




From k_winthrop at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 17:26:43 2000
From: k_winthrop at yahoo.com (kim winthrop)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: new to club             SPOILER BOOK 
Message-ID: <20000828172643.9710.qmail@web4106.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 390


I'm new to the club. I really enjoy the HP books. Does anyone have any suggestions for books to read while we wait for the next Harry Potter book? I've read The Hobbit I didn't like it as much as the HP books. 

I also noticed that in book 4 Fred + George  were inventing their gags for their joke shop. My question is the Weasly's were using charms for their gags (ton tongue taffy) during their summer break when underage wizards are not allowed to use magic isn't this use of improper magic?

Just curious.

Kim



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From summers.65 at osu.edu  Mon Aug 28 18:28:00 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:28:00 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] PoU
Message-ID: <v02140b2cb5d05efe1d56@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 391

>I've just finished what's there of PoU, and I'm reeling... better put some
>spoiler space, just in case.
>
>W
>H
>Y
>
>H
>A
>V
>E
>N
>T
>
>Y
>O
>U
>
>READ THIS YET?
>
>Heh, okay.  That was absolutely the most amazing thing I've ever read.

Thanks!

>naff
>
Now, there's been some disagreement about this.  A British source of mine
told me that naff can mean either really bad *or* really cool, depending on
the context.  I meant it as cool here.

>Now for my questions... they're in chronological order of the story.
>1.  Is Justin gay?

Yes.

>2.  Is Harry named for his father?  If he is, could that show some sort of
>premonition on their part that they weren't going to live?... giving him a
>piece of them to carry, in a way.

Interesting.  I had thought that at some point in the books it was stated
that his middle name was James, but perhaps that's just my wacked-out
brain.

>3.  Harry says at one point that when James wasn't there to guide him, the
>elves were.  Is this a figure of speech, or does Harry have a relationship
>with them that we don't know about yet?

That was during a dream Harry had, I wouldn't assign too much meaning to it.

>4.  Is it commonplace for someone to notify this list when a new chapter
>comes out?  I'll be waiting in line at midnight in full costume... ; )

As has been said already, there is a mailing list for PoU.  I can post a
notice here if it would be helpful.

>5.  What happened to Sirius and Hagrid?  Did they die of old age, or
>something more sinister?
>
Sirius isn't dead.  Hagrid was killed by Voldemort.

>Forgive my babbling... it's 3 am, and I read the whole thing in one
>sitting...
>
Wow!  That's a lot!

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From jay at mutability.com  Mon Aug 28 17:31:33 2000
From: jay at mutability.com (jay barrow)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:31:33 -0000
Subject: new to club             SPOILER BOOK
In-Reply-To: <20000828172643.9710.qmail@web4106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8oe7ll+hufi@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 392

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, kim winthrop <k_winthrop at y...> 
wrote:

> I also noticed that in book 4 Fred + George  were inventing their 
gags for their joke shop. My question is the Weasly's were using 
charms for their gags (ton tongue taffy) during their summer break 
when underage wizards are not allowed to use magic isn't this use of 
improper magic?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Kim

My guess is, yes.  On one hand, the use of magic by underage wizards 
outside of school is forbidden, it can be detected.  But how, since 
it's at the Weasley's home, are they to tell if it wasn't the 
children or the parents?  Hmmm...




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 17:53:31 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:53:31 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] PoU
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828175331.007245b8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 393


>>naff
>>
>Now, there's been some disagreement about this.  A British source of mine
>told me that naff can mean either really bad *or* really cool, depending on
>the context.  I meant it as cool here.

Naff doesn't mean cool - unless it's some really weird street slang your
source has picked up (like saying 'bad' when you mean 'good').  I don't get
out much, though, so perhaps I missed it. 

There are two meanings in my dictionary:

- unfashionable or socially awkward
- worthless or rubbishy

I would (and do) use it all the time, as a combination of those two
meanings.  For example, I'd say the decor in my parents lounge is 'really
naff'.  

Incidentally, naff is also used to replace the 'f' word [I'm feeling polite
today], as in "naff off!"

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Mon Aug 28 17:53:39 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:53:39 -0000
Subject: I am so excited because
Message-ID: <8oe8v3+la70@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 394

I've just returned from the bookstore where I bought "Emerald House 
Rising" by our very own Peg Kerr!  And the last thing I want to do 
now is get back to work.  I just want to go home on this terribly 
rainy day, curl up on my comfy couch with a cup of tea, and start to 
read.

Welcome to Peg and all of our new members!




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 17:53:57 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:53:57 -0000
Subject: Gred, Forge, and Improper Magic
In-Reply-To: <20000828172643.9710.qmail@web4106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8oe8vl+u1hu@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 395

Hello:

> I also noticed that in book 4 Fred + George  were inventing their 
>gags for their joke shop. My question is the Weasly's were using 
>charms for their gags (ton tongue taffy) during their summer break 
>when underage wizards are not allowed to use magic isn't this use of 
>improper magic?

I can't really imagine either of the Weasley twins really caring too 
much about bending the "Use of Improper Magic" rule-- remember their 
impromptu sprouting of facial hair after trying to cross the Age 
Line?  ^_^  Expulsion wouldn't be imminent, because it would be 
difficult to find this out in the Weasley household, as Jay said.  

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet 





From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 18:08:30 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:08:30 -0000
Subject: Penny's "Other Musings"
In-Reply-To: <39A9A548.F945BFD1@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8oe9qv+jiqs@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 396

Hello:

> Alicia/Sue -- we all decided in the chat room today that you should
> enter that contest about how HP has changed your life (Scholastic 
>is the sponsor I believe), and then when you win & get to go meet 
>JKR in person in NY, we'll arm you with all the group's questions 
(how many students at Hogwarts, etc.).  Okay?

Penny, if there is some way that I can enter that contest and win 
without my parents, friends, teachers, teammates, bandmates, 
archenemies, former babysitters, coaches, co-workers, and fellow 
residents of Suburban Hell, MA discovering my closet love of HP and 
my fanfic, I'll do it.  

Otherwise, I'm shuddering at the thought of my parents finding out 
that I know precisely how to properly use every cuss word in the 
English language and do so frequently.

With my luck, I'd send in a nice, long essay on HP, not expecting to 
win-- and do so, an event that would subsequently be discovered by 
the dinky local media.  "TEEN WINS ESSAY CONTEST"... in case it's not 
obvious by my contempt for my town or the sheer amount of time I 
spend posting, nothing exciting really happens here.

I'm thinking about it... after all, it would be nice to know all 
these little intricities about the series.  I'd add on a question of 
my own: "Who exactly was the inspiration for Draco Malfoy, and can I 
have his telephone number?"

But then, there's that little matter of fanfic rearing its ugly head 
again.  As the major defining element in my HP-obsessiveness, it 
would have to figure prominiently into such an essay.  And we all 
know how much J.K. *loves* fanfic, don't we?

"What the bloody hell did you do to my characters?"     

Oy...

But, I'm still thinking.

Scott: If we both win, let's try not to touch the same saltshaker at 
dinner, okay?  I don't really think I'm up to battling some evil, 
dark sorcerer these days.  ^_^

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet  




From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 18:18:38 2000
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:18:38 -0000
Subject: Genetics and Wizarding Ablilty; was Wizard Contraception
In-Reply-To: <8oc7te+cq6f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oeadu+2un3@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 397

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Merriman Vicki" <VMerriman at f...> 
wrote:
> Now interestingly enough, Colin Creevy's brother started at 
Hogwarts 
> in GoF, and yet Colin is muggle born.  Their muggle parents have 
> produced two wizards.  So perhaps there are people who are just shy 
> of wizarding folk, and when they happen to get married they have a 
> higher tendancy to produce muggle born wizards.
> 
It's fairly standard in fantasy/scifi settings for unusual abilities 
to be something like genetically dominant; the offspring of a wizard 
and a Muggle is nearly always a wizard; the same is true of Jedi 
in "Star Wars" and , IIRC, Anne McCaffrey's Talents.
 In all the above cases, the question is raised; if the abilities are 
genetically dominant, why isn't the majority of the population 
magical/ Force-enabled/ Talented?




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 18:53:54 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:53:54 -0000
Subject: Penny's "Other Musings"
In-Reply-To: <8oe9qv+jiqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oecg2+cck9@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 398

Alicia writes:

>..... fellow 
> residents of Suburban Hell, MA discovering my closet love of HP and 
> my fanfic, I'll do it.  
> 
> Otherwise, I'm shuddering at the thought of my parents finding out 
> that I know precisely how to properly use every cuss word in the 
> English language and do so frequently.
> 
> With my luck, I'd send in a nice, long essay on HP, not expecting
to 
> win-- and do so, an event that would subsequently be discovered by 
> the dinky local media.  "TEEN WINS ESSAY CONTEST"... in case it's 
not 
> obvious by my contempt for my town or the sheer amount of time I 
> spend posting, nothing exciting really happens here.


Suddenly I understand.  This isn't really Alicia/Sue - this is Daria 
Morgendorfer.

;->

-Brooks




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 18:51:49 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:51:49 -0000
Subject: UK Magic Society
Message-ID: <8oecc5+ts1j@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 399

http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/08/28/britain.harry.potter.ap/index
.html




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 18:56:40 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:56:40 -0000
Subject: Genetics and Wizarding Ablilty; was Wizard Contraception
In-Reply-To: <8oeadu+2un3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oecl8+5gkm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 400


> It's fairly standard in fantasy/scifi settings for unusual
abilities 
> to be something like genetically dominant; the offspring of a
wizard 
> and a Muggle is nearly always a wizard; the same is true of Jedi 
> in "Star Wars" and , IIRC, Anne McCaffrey's Talents.
>  In all the above cases, the question is raised; if the abilities 
are 
> genetically dominant, why isn't the majority of the population 
> magical/ Force-enabled/ Talented?


I think it is because the presence of one sets up a field which 
encourages more IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.  So an early sibling who is, 
influences the other _in utero_ to tend the same way.

-Brooks




From ymekelly at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 19:08:03 2000
From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Yamil=E9e_Emmanuel-Kelly?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:08:03 -0000
Subject: Dementors
Message-ID: <8oedaj+enma@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 401

Are the Dementors able to speak?  I'm re-reading PoA and Mr. Wessely 
mention that the Dementors told Fudge that Black was talking in his 
sleep.  I always assumed that the Dementors were like the ghost of 
Christmas yet to come in A Christmas Carol, hood dark creators
without 
faces.


YMEK





From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 28 19:11:21 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:11:21 -0400
Subject: To those who are utilizing the digest feature...
Message-ID: <001c01c01123$c11b6720$0100000a@joywelan>

No: HPFGUIDX 402

Dee wrote:
I beg your pardon for any problems I inadvertently caused in my postings of
the chats.  I really didn't mean to be troublesome!  Let us know, though,
how they turned out, just for future reference, though?

I get the digest.  They turned out fine in terms of format, but took a
reeeeeeeeeally long time to download and scroll through.  I think uploading
as files is a much better idea.  Thanks for the concern! : )

~Joy~

(Are there three Joys on this list now?  I always use the little tildes with
my name, so it shouldn't be a problem to tell us apart.  If it is, let me
know.)




From summers.65 at osu.edu  Mon Aug 28 20:04:21 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:04:21 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] PoU
Message-ID: <v02140b2db5d075ee80f7@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 403


>Naff doesn't mean cool - unless it's some really weird street slang your
>source has picked up (like saying 'bad' when you mean 'good').  I don't get
>out much, though, so perhaps I missed it.
>
>There are two meanings in my dictionary:
>
>- unfashionable or socially awkward
>- worthless or rubbishy
>
>I would (and do) use it all the time, as a combination of those two
>meanings.  For example, I'd say the decor in my parents lounge is 'really
>naff'.
>
>Incidentally, naff is also used to replace the 'f' word [I'm feeling polite
>today], as in "naff off!"
>
>Neil
>            Flying-Ford-Anglia

Ah, thanks Neil.  Perhaps my source didn't understand what I was asking, or
was just wrong or has some personal weird use for the word that isn't
commonplace.

Can you suggest a common British replacement?  The context is "the really
[blank] bedroom" meaning the really cool bedroom.  I suppose I could just
use "cool" but it sounds so American.  Not that those haven't slipped in by
the hundreds anyway.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From summers.65 at osu.edu  Mon Aug 28 20:13:20 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:13:20 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Genetics and Wizarding Ablilty; was Wizard Contraception
Message-ID: <v02140b2eb5d076deb980@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 404


>It's fairly standard in fantasy/scifi settings for unusual abilities
>to be something like genetically dominant; the offspring of a wizard
>and a Muggle is nearly always a wizard; the same is true of Jedi
>in "Star Wars" and , IIRC, Anne McCaffrey's Talents.
> In all the above cases, the question is raised; if the abilities are
>genetically dominant, why isn't the majority of the population
>magical/ Force-enabled/ Talented?
>
It could be some form of heterozygote advantage.  <Anthropologist Lori
rears her ugly head>  This is the mechanism by which genes are passed down
through populations where certain conditions (like malaria) are indemnic
(everyone gets them)...only the heterozygotes survive and thus both forms
of the gene are passed down.

If the magical gene, call it M, is dominant, then both heterozygote (mM)
and the homozygote (MM) would be wizards.  It then becomes a question of
wizards seeming to prefer to associate with other wizards and being more
likely to marry and have kids with them, thus funneling all M-carrying
people into one population and removing then from the other.

But I think any magical gene would have to be recessive.  If it weren't, it
would be impossible to get a magical child from two Muggle parents.  If M
is recessive, then both parents could be mM and still be Muggles, but their
child would have a 1-in-4 chance of being MM and therefore a wizard, a
1-in-2 chance of being mM and a carrier themselves, or a 1-in-4 chance of
being mm and neither a wizard nor a carrier.  Since everyone in the
wizarding world would have to be MM, then they'd have all magical children.
This does not explain how wizards could have non-magical children, though.
It ought to be impossible if magic is recessive...however, almost no
traits are coded for by a single gene.

If M were dominant, any parent who was even mM would be a wizard.  Only mm
would be Muggles, and they would have zero chance of having magical
children.

Follow me?
Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

          "Asia's crowded, Europe's too old
            Africa's too hot and Canada's too cold,
            South America stole our name
            Let's drop the big one, there'll be no one left to blame us..."
                        --Randy Newman

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Aug 28 19:17:10 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:17:10 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Gred, Forge, and Improper Magic
In-Reply-To: <8oe8vl+u1hu@eGroups.com>
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No: HPFGUIDX 405

I still think that Dobby turned Harry in for "improper use of magic" -- even
though Harry didn't actually do anything.  It may also be that #4 Privet
Drive is under special supervision by the Ministry of Magic, thus any use of
magic in that street is going to set the alarm bells off.  I would guess
that wizarding households like the Weasleys or the Malfoys are exempt from
censure due to the fact that they live apart from the Muggle world.



MORSEL:   Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are
convinced beyond doubt that they are right. --Laurens van der Post


-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia/Sue Spinnet [mailto:AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:54 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Gred, Forge, and Improper Magic


Hello:

> I also noticed that in book 4 Fred + George  were inventing their
>gags for their joke shop. My question is the Weasly's were using
>charms for their gags (ton tongue taffy) during their summer break
>when underage wizards are not allowed to use magic isn't this use of
>improper magic?

I can't really imagine either of the Weasley twins really caring too
much about bending the "Use of Improper Magic" rule-- remember their
impromptu sprouting of facial hair after trying to cross the Age
Line?  ^_^  Expulsion wouldn't be imminent, because it would be
difficult to find this out in the Weasley household, as Jay said.

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet




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From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 28 19:26:52 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:26:52 -0400
Subject: PoU
Message-ID: <002801c01125$f035e560$0100000a@joywelan>

No: HPFGUIDX 406

Thanks for the info, Neil and Carol!  I'm off to join the PoU list.  I'd
heard so much about it on this one, I didn't realize that it was a separate
thing.  Sorry if that's considered OT here.

~Joy~




From particle at urbanet.ch  Mon Aug 28 19:41:51 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:41:51 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Genetics and Wizarding Ablilty; was Wizard Contraception
References: <v02140b2eb5d076deb980@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <001301c01128$03a6c900$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 407

<It could be some form of heterozygote advantage.  <Anthropologist Lori
rears her ugly head>  This is the mechanism by which genes are passed down
through populations where certain conditions (like malaria) are indemnic
(everyone gets them)...only the heterozygotes survive and thus both forms
of the gene are passed down.>

Right. Hybrids (aka heterozygotes) generally survive better, that's known. I'm sure everyone here has heard all about how a lot of purebred dogs have inbreeding problems, like German Shepherds with hip problems, bulldogs (and Chihuahuas) who can't give birth without a C-section because the fetus' heads (or mother's hips) make it impossible for them to get through the birth canal...btw, I think you mean endemic, not indemnic.

<If the magical gene, call it M, is dominant, then both heterozygote (mM)
and the homozygote (MM) would be wizards.  It then becomes a question of
wizards seeming to prefer to associate with other wizards and being more
likely to marry and have kids with them, thus funneling all M-carrying
people into one population and removing then from the other.>

Which is inbreeding, of course. Plus Muggleborns would be impossible, as you've already stated.

<But I think any magical gene would have to be recessive.  If it weren't, it
would be impossible to get a magical child from two Muggle parents.  If M
is recessive, then both parents could be mM and still be Muggles, but their
child would have a 1-in-4 chance of being MM and therefore a wizard, a
1-in-2 chance of being mM and a carrier themselves, or a 1-in-4 chance of
being mm and neither a wizard nor a carrier.>

And of course, since with every child the roulette wheel starts spinning again, it's perfectly plausible to have Muggles families like the Creeveys where more than one child is magic. 

<Since everyone in the
wizarding world would have to be MM, then they'd have all magical children.
This does not explain how wizards could have non-magical children, though.
It ought to be impossible if magic is recessive...however, almost no
traits are coded for by a single gene.>

*Extreme sarcasm* Except in Muggle high school textbooks, where there are only two eye colors, brown and blue, and Punnett Squares using two different traits are 'difficult'.  Thank goodness my bio teacher said we'd be covering linked genes, or I'd go positively mad.

~Firebolt


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 19:49:57 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:49:57 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] PoU
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828194957.007204d8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 408

Re: Naff

>
>Ah, thanks Neil.  Perhaps my source didn't understand what I was asking, or
>was just wrong or has some personal weird use for the word that isn't
>commonplace.
>
>Can you suggest a common British replacement?  The context is "the really
>[blank] bedroom" meaning the really cool bedroom.  I suppose I could just
>use "cool" but it sounds so American.  Not that those haven't slipped in by
>the hundreds anyway.
>
>Lori

Yes, in the context you used it, 'naff' seemed to convey the opposite
meaning to the one you intended. Although it is slang, 'cool' is used in the
UK and, from your description of it, I'd say that room was "the really cool
bedroom" (I want one like it!). Somehow, "the really nice bedroom" doesn't
sound quite so ... cool. 

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Aug 28 19:56:15 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:56:15 -0000
Subject: wizards & genetics
Message-ID: <8oeg4v+bptt@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 409

> But I think any magical gene would have to be recessive.  If 
> it weren't, it
> would be impossible to get a magical child from two Muggle 
> parents.  If M
> is recessive, then both parents could be mM and still be 
> Muggles, but their
> child would have a 1-in-4 chance of being MM and therefore a 
wizard, a
> 1-in-2 chance of being mM and a carrier themselves, or a 
> 1-in-4 chance of
> being mm and neither a wizard nor a carrier.  Since everyone in the
> wizarding world would have to be MM, then they'd have all 
> magical children.
> This does not explain how wizards could have non-magical 
> children, though.
> It ought to be impossible if magic is recessive...however, almost no
> traits are coded for by a single gene.

I am no scientist, but I have a possible explanaiton for this - since 
things aren't coded by a single gene, then maybe there is a gene for 
magic, which is recessive, and another series of genes which block 
the use of magic even by a person who has inherited genes for magic 
from both parents - when the whole series is present, you have a 
squib, but if only 1 of the 5? 6? genes in the series is missing, 
then the "magic" gene isn't blocked, and voila, you have awitch or 
wizard!




From jay at mutability.com  Mon Aug 28 19:58:14 2000
From: jay at mutability.com (jay barrow)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:58:14 -0000
Subject: wizards & genetics
In-Reply-To: <8oeg4v+bptt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oeg8m+pocn@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 410

> 
> I am no scientist, but I have a possible explanaiton for this - 
since 
> things aren't coded by a single gene, then maybe there is a gene 
for 
> magic, which is recessive, and another series of genes which block 
> the use of magic even by a person who has inherited genes for magic 
> from both parents - when the whole series is present, you have a 
> squib, but if only 1 of the 5? 6? genes in the series is missing, 
> then the "magic" gene isn't blocked, and voila, you have awitch or 
> wizard!

I can understand this explanation!  ;)  It would sure explain Filch.




From warmsley at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 28 20:09:26 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:09:26 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Genetics and Wizarding Ablilty; was Wizard Contraception
Message-ID: <01c0112b$dddd2ee0$c97e073e@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 411

>I think it is because the presence of one sets up a field which
>encourages more IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.  So an early sibling who
is,
>influences the other _in utero_ to tend the same way.
>

That's a really nice idea - sort of like the way you can
magnetise steel by stroking a magnt over it - maybe thats how it
works for baby magician people thingies too - it magic-ises
their blood cells or something.

--
Jeremy




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Aug 28 20:17:32 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:17:32 -0000
Subject: amazon has another book for obsessive lunatics like myself
Message-ID: <8oehcs+ipem@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 412

Harry Potter Collector's Value Guide 
by CheckerBee Publishing 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1585980730/qid=967490358/sr=1-
8/002-4807228-4988832
Amazon's Price: $9.95





From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 20:33:11 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:33:11 -0000
Subject: Penny's "Other Musings"
In-Reply-To: <8oecg2+cck9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oeia7+855k@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 413

Hello:

Yes, you've all discovered my secret: Talkative Teenager moonlights 
as Disillusioned Suburbanite.

All right, where's my damn TV show and combat boots?  Oh, wait.  
*smacks self in head*  My life's not interesting enough for 
television.  ^_^  So far, this hasn't stopped me from trying to make 
a sitcom out of it, however...

Never on MTV!

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet


> Suddenly I understand.  This isn't really Alicia/Sue - this is 
Daria 
> Morgendorfer.
> 
> ;->
> 
> -Brooks




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 20:40:01 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:40:01 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] wizards & genetics
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828204001.006744e0@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 414


>> It ought to be impossible if magic is recessive...however, almost no
>> traits are coded for by a single gene.
>
>I am no scientist, but I have a possible explanaiton for this - since 
>things aren't coded by a single gene, then maybe there is a gene for 
>magic, which is recessive, and another series of genes which block 
>the use of magic even by a person who has inherited genes for magic 
>from both parents - when the whole series is present, you have a 
>squib, but if only 1 of the 5? 6? genes in the series is missing, 
>then the "magic" gene isn't blocked, and voila, you have awitch or 
>wizard!

Heidi's proposal for a series of inhibitor genes makes sense, as it could
also account for the partial cases, like Muggle psychics or weak witches and
wizards, whose ability may be partly inhibited by some of the genes being in
'on' mode and some not. I'd also suggest that the 'berwizard' category
that's been postulated for Harry Potter could be due to an additional
chromosome, totally unrelated to regular magical genetics.

Years ago, I was involved in some research on drug metabolism, in which we
classified people into 'slow' and 'fast' metabolisers.  As you can imagine,
this factor had a major impact on the efficacy and toxicity of certain
drugs.  The speed of metabolism was a spectrum, rather than two distinct
categories, and one poor volunteer had to be classified as 'super slow' and
advised never to take tricyclic antidepressants.  I can see a parallel with
magical ability, in which some witches/wizards with the gift have a higher
capacity for its use than others.  There are also very specific metabolic
conditions, such as 'flushing syndrome' - common in oriental people -
whereby the gene for a particular enzyme (in that case one which breaks down
an alcohol metabolite) is missing entirely. 

Any thoughts on the nature of magical ability?  We've talked a lot about how
one might or might not have it, but what is it?  A neurochemical state?
Some property of the pineal gland, latent in the majority of people?  A
hormonal change, like a second puberty or the menopause?  Something akin to
metamorphosis in insects (i.e. a physical evolution)?  

Talking of the menopause - if there were a 'magical menopause,' could that
explain those people who discover magical ability late in life (as hinted by
JKR)?

Neil








            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 20:34:39 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:34:39 -0400
Subject: Fw: [HPforGrownups] Gred, Forge, and Improper Magic
Message-ID: <00fa01c0112f$64938b20$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 415

Could the Weasleys have a further  exemption due to the Father (Arthur) being in the MoM itself?  Things magical HAVE to go on in the household due to Arthur, and hence, everyone turns a blind eye.  

(Otherwise, why didn't anyone realize the FFA was about earlier than the moment it took off at the train?)

Dee
    
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To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Gred, Forge, and Improper Magic


I still think that Dobby turned Harry in for "improper use of magic" -- even
though Harry didn't actually do anything.  It may also be that #4 Privet
Drive is under special supervision by the Ministry of Magic, thus any use of
magic in that street is going to set the alarm bells off.  I would guess
that wizarding households like the Weasleys or the Malfoys are exempt from
censure due to the fact that they live apart from the Muggle world.



MORSEL:   Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are
convinced beyond doubt that they are right. --Laurens van der Post


-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia/Sue Spinnet [mailto:AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:54 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Gred, Forge, and Improper Magic


Hello:

> I also noticed that in book 4 Fred + George  were inventing their
>gags for their joke shop. My question is the Weasly's were using
>charms for their gags (ton tongue taffy) during their summer break
>when underage wizards are not allowed to use magic isn't this use of
>improper magic?

I can't really imagine either of the Weasley twins really caring too
much about bending the "Use of Improper Magic" rule-- remember their
impromptu sprouting of facial hair after trying to cross the Age
Line?  ^_^  Expulsion wouldn't be imminent, because it would be
difficult to find this out in the Weasley household, as Jay said.

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet




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From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Mon Aug 28 21:08:55 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:08:55 -0000
Subject: amazon has another book for obsessive lunatics like myself
In-Reply-To: <8oehcs+ipem@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oekd7+166d@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 416

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "heidi tandy" 
<heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> wrote:
> Harry Potter Collector's Value Guide 
> by CheckerBee Publishing 


Isn't this book a little premature?  All you've got to price are a 
few hardback multiple printings (UK and American and perhaps a couple 
of other countries.)  The merchandise is just beginning to come out 
and surely can't be said to have any value aside from market value.

Greed to the forefront as usual.

Vicki




From brooksar at indy.net  Mon Aug 28 21:47:13 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:47:13 -0000
Subject: amazon has another book for obsessive lunatics like myself
In-Reply-To: <8oekd7+166d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oeml1+5lek@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 417

And that "Unauthorized Guide to Rowling" tape has turned up at Sam's 
Club, where so far it is selling like coldcakes.

-Brooks




From nick at nicmit.com  Mon Aug 28 21:45:32 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:45:32 +0100
Subject: new to club
Message-ID: <007c01c01139$4c7332c0$7e977ed4@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 418

Hi Kim and all new members

>I'm new to the club. I really enjoy the HP books. Does anyone have any
suggestions for books to read while we wait for the next Harry Potter book?

I've just read Witch Week by Diana Wynne Jones.   It's another book about
children who have magical powers, and it's another children's book  (though
I really don't think the HP books are children's books as such).

Next book I am going to start tonight is Wizards Hall by Jane Yolen.

Nick




From janet_salter at dell.com  Mon Aug 28 21:52:54 2000
From: janet_salter at dell.com (janet_salter at dell.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:52:54 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re:  new to club
Message-ID: <D603107BE5BB0240802CA64C0877F7F39D8C90@ausxmrr111.aus.amer.dell.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 419

New Members

>I'm new to the club. I really enjoy the HP books. Does anyone have any
suggestions for books to read while we wait for the next Harry Potter book?

*I've just read Witch Week by Diana Wynne Jones.   It's another book about
children who have magical powers, and it's another children's book  (though
I really don't think the HP books are children's books as such).

*Next book I am going to start tonight is Wizards Hall by Jane Yolen.

Or if you want to stick with the Harry Potter adventures there are some
excellent fanfics out there.  Two that come to mind are "Paradigm of
Uncertainty" and "A Sirius Affair", both can be found in eGroups I apologize
for not having the URL for you.  PoU is written by a lady named Lori Summers
and ASA is written by Penny and Carole, they are both excellent, and have
all of us who have read it sitting on pins and needles waiting for the next
chapters for both.  



Janet



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From nick at nicmit.com  Mon Aug 28 21:55:28 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:55:28 +0100
Subject: Amazon to sell cars
Message-ID: <009601c0113a$b33a6d60$7e977ed4@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 420

Hi all

Amazon.com are to sell cars soon...

I wonder... does this mean we can soon by a Blue Ford Anglia, complete with
a fourpack of HP books?

Nick.

News Ref: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Business/reuters20000823_1941.html




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 21:59:01 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:59:01 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re:  books, email bugs, repetitive questions
References: <D603107BE5BB0240802CA64C0877F7F39D8C90@ausxmrr111.aus.amer.dell.com>
Message-ID: <01b901c0113b$2d64d760$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 421

For those moments of absolute boredom (like waiting for my ride on the way home from the job interview today, lol... no kid, so no problems!), I grab a multitude of books, some even dealing in the sf sphere.  The latest, a slim volume that fit nicely into my briefcase, The Wizard of Earthsea.  I recall reading it in Jr. Hi, but it's been soooo long since then--I can't seem to recall all the details.  After reading about three chapters then, I returned home and started devoting myself to answering about 100 emails, which turned out to have about 5-10 duplicates of every email that yahoo sends out.  Anyone else having that problem?  Sighs... if it's not one bug, it's another.

btw, there's someone over in the club asking that wand/lily question again.

Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: janet_salter at dell.com 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:52 PM
  Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: new to club


  New Members

  >I'm new to the club. I really enjoy the HP books. Does anyone have any
  suggestions for books to read while we wait for the next Harry Potter book?

  *I've just read Witch Week by Diana Wynne Jones.   It's another book about
  children who have magical powers, and it's another children's book  (though
  I really don't think the HP books are children's books as such).

  *Next book I am going to start tonight is Wizards Hall by Jane Yolen.

  Or if you want to stick with the Harry Potter adventures there are some
  excellent fanfics out there.  Two that come to mind are "Paradigm of
  Uncertainty" and "A Sirius Affair", both can be found in eGroups I apologize
  for not having the URL for you.  PoU is written by a lady named Lori Summers
  and ASA is written by Penny and Carole, they are both excellent, and have
  all of us who have read it sitting on pins and needles waiting for the next
  chapters for both.  



  Janet



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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 22:06:40 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:06:40 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Amazon to sell cars
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828220640.00723a50@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 422

At 22:55 08/28/2000 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Amazon.com are to sell cars soon...
>
>I wonder... does this mean we can soon by a Blue Ford Anglia, complete with
>a fourpack of HP books?

I'm not selling my body!

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 22:04:44 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:04:44 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re:  books, email bugs, repetitive questions
References: <D603107BE5BB0240802CA64C0877F7F39D8C90@ausxmrr111.aus.amer.dell.com> <01b901c0113b$2d64d760$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <01d301c0113b$f9e8cc60$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 423


btw, there's someone over in the club asking that wand/lily question again.

i noticed that too, but then James immediately told Harry, Your mother wanted to come but ... (i forget what follows)and then he tells H what's going to happen and what to do next. IMHO,I think James came first because H was sort of used to him already, as Prongs his patronis thingy, and H would be able to listen to him. whereas, if his mother came out first, i think Harry would be too emotional to take in the important instructions about breaking the connection and running while the spirits were still confusing V.

I like this idea..... don't think it's correct, but I like it!

Dee



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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Mon Aug 28 22:11:14 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:11:14 +0100
Subject: Casting and Hagrid's accent
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEEGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 424

After deciding that I had enough of this casting debate I now feel drawn to
remarking on it again. Something about famous last words should probably be
inserted here (I leave it up to you all to do this for yourselves)!

"People have suggested that Richard Harris isn't a good enough actor to play
Dumbledore, but no one has suggested another problem I see."

"However, Patrick Stewart doesn't, to my knowledge ever wear a wig for a
role, so maybe he didn't want to start now even for the role of Dumbledore."

If it were only a choice between these two then I would go with Harris. I do
not like Stewart and do not think he would bring anything to the role.
Harris was in Gladiator (am I thinking of the right person?) and I think his
acting was one of the few highlights of the movie (I thought the film was
rubbish). Dumbledore must be at least 85 (Hagrid was expelled at 13, CoS is
50 years later and Dumbledore was teaching then so must have been 20+) and
aging an actor by too much would be far too obvious.

"However in the interview the child was stating how he had only read the
fist two books and really remembered little of the characters."

I can see this being an advantage. It will mean that he brings little
preconceived ideas of the role and is more likely to play Harry as JKR
intended him to be portrayed. If he were a big fan then he would play the
Harry that he imagines instead of letting his acting doing the talking (he
is supposed to be a very good actor).

For someone who has had experience of the acting world before Dan seemed to
be far less relaxed than the two supposedly inexperienced kids. We wait too
see how they interact in the movie and how well they can all act!

"Well leave it to Warner Brothers to Muck up a good thing."

This is my concern for the movie in general! I can see it being a big
failing. The question is if the movie is rubbish then will the interest in
JKR and Harry Potter fall as a result?

"Can anyone tell what Hagrid's regional accent is supposed to be? I've seen
"Sommerset" and "Yorkshire" on the Web, but being from the US I don't know
much about English accents beyond "RP" and cockney. Is the accent likely to
pose any difficulty for Robbie Coltrane?"

Robbie Coltrane is a good actor and I see no problem in him doing whatever
accent is required of him. I have always thought that it is a Somerset
accent but this has been debated heavily and little conclusion reached! I
can understand the confusion. I would be able to locate very few American
accents.

Simon




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Mon Aug 28 22:11:17 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:11:17 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] PoU
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000828194957.007204d8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEEGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 425

Re: Naff
>Can you suggest a common British replacement?  The context is "the really
>[blank] bedroom" meaning the really cool bedroom.  I suppose I could just
>use "cool" but it sounds so American.  Not that those haven't slipped in by
>the hundreds anyway.

This intrigued me when I first read it. I came to the conclusion that it was
just George being ironic. He usually makes a joke of everything and this was
just another example of this.

It is not really my place to say this but I feel it would be more
appropriate to have the PoU discussions over on the PoU e-group.

Simon




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 22:19:21 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:19:21 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Amazon to sell cars
References: <1.5.4.32.20000828220640.00723a50@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <021101c0113e$05218020$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 426

Oh, why not?  Grins wickedly..

Btw, Neil, after reflection, I am afraid you took my request for info in a rather bad way.  I am single, happy being single, and not going to go chasing after men in my old age. (cough cough)  Relationship is a dirty word where I am at currently.  I was just asking due to curiousity more...  Rita said you were attached (that's how I read it, at least) and your profile said single.

The little things bug me sometimes... I think that's why I am a programmer?

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Amazon to sell cars


  At 22:55 08/28/2000 +0100, you wrote:
  >Hi all
  >
  >Amazon.com are to sell cars soon...
  >
  >I wonder... does this mean we can soon by a Blue Ford Anglia, complete with
  >a fourpack of HP books?

  I'm not selling my body!

  Neil
              Flying-Ford-Anglia

  *****************************************

     "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
     the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
     its rear lights blazing angrily"

  [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From janet_salter at dell.com  Mon Aug 28 18:02:21 2000
From: janet_salter at dell.com (janet_salter at dell.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:02:21 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Gred, Forge, and Improper Magic
Message-ID: <D603107BE5BB0240802CA64C0877F7F39D8C8A@ausxmrr111.aus.amer.dell.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 427




> I also noticed that in book 4 Fred + George  were inventing their 
>gags for their joke shop. My question is the Weasly's were using 
>charms for their gags (ton tongue taffy) during their summer break 
>when underage wizards are not allowed to use magic isn't this use of 
>improper magic?

*I can't really imagine either of the Weasley twins really caring too 
*much about bending the "Use of Improper Magic" rule-- remember their 
*impromptu sprouting of facial hair after trying to cross the Age 
*Line?  ^_^  Expulsion wouldn't be imminent, because it would be 
*difficult to find this out in the Weasley household, as Jay said.  

What I think she was asking was why didn't they get in trouble from the MoM
for using
magic during the summer, underage witches/wizards are not supposed to use
magic except for in
school, which is where they tried to cross the age line.  

Just my opinion,
janet




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 22:38:04 2000
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jen Piersol)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:38:04 -0000
Subject: Chapter 8 Summary: The Quidditch World Cup
Message-ID: <8oepkc+m6o8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 428

At last, we've finally come to the quidditch action (unfortunately, 
the only quidditch action we're going to see in the whole book, which 
isn't known at this point).  We follow the Weasleys, Hermione, and 
Harry to the top of the stadium and the best seats in the house - the 
top box.  Here we're introduced to a couple of new characters and 
spells, beginning with a new house-elf named Winky, who though afraid 
of heights, has been ordered by her master Mr. Crouch to save him a 
seat.  We also learn from Winky that Dobby, though doing well in
body, has pretty much lost his mind, for "freedom has gone to Dobby's 
head, sir", and he wants wages, of all things.  Horrors!  Shortly
afterward, the box begins to fill.  We see Cornelius Fudge again, 
accompanied by the Bulgarian Minister.  Ludo Bagman is also going to 
be joining the crowd in the top box.  And of course, the Malfoys join 
everyone - including the elusive Mrs. Narcissa Malfoy, who looks as 
though everything smells nasty to her.  Finally, it's time for the 
festivities to begin, and Ludo Bagman points his wand to his throat, 
mutters "sonorus", and his voice is magically amplified over the
crowd to begin the play-by-play.

First, we have a showing of the team mascots.  The Bulgarians have 
brought Veela, "women"-like creatures who inspire the desire in the 
men of the crowd (well, the boys at least) to do death-defying feats 
in order to impress them.  When they've finished, we're left with Ron 
sitting down, tearing his Irish souvenirs (sp?) to bits, his father 
trying to warn him that he'll want them later.  Next, the Irish 
mascots come zooming over the stands showering the fans with gold.  
Leprachauns!  After a nice display, they settle down on the Irish
side of the stadium, and we're introduced to the team players, 
including the famous Bulgarian seeker Viktor Krum.

Over the next few (many?) pages, we're treated to spectacular 
quidditch moves, special effects from the omnioculars (nose-picking 
again and again and again, slow-motion gone wrong, etc), and rude 
gestures from the opposing teams' mascots.  From the beginning, 
Ireland is clearly the powerhouse (except for perhaps the seeker, who 
is clearly damaged physically, if not also mentally, by the end of
the game).  Finally, in a desperation move to save some semblance of 
his pride, Krum captures the snitch, even though Bulgaria is down by 
160 points and it's not going to win them the game - thus securing 
Fred and George a nice payoff for their risky wager in the last 
chapter.  Mr. Crouch, it is noticed, has never shown up to take his 
saved seat.

The participants are then paraded through the top box (we learn now 
that the Bulgarian Minister *is* able to speak English after all - to 
the chagrin of Fudge, who's been making an ass of himself all day 
trying to mime words to him), and when the action is all over, we 
follow the Weasleys, Hermione and Harry back to their tents, where at 
least one of them will go to sleep with visions of being the next 
quidditch world cup champion dancing in his head.  End of chapter.

Now, there are some specific topics I hope we can go over - for 
example:

What do you think of Fudge's relationship with the Malfoys?  He's 
really buddy-buddy with them in this chapter, making sure to mention 
their most recent contribution (to the same hospital where Neville's 
parents reside - though we don't know that until near the end of the 
book).

Do you think the omnioculars will be useful later on in the series as 
the sneakoscope has?

For fun: what would *you* do with a pair of omnioculars? :)

Discuss!




From robusdin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 22:39:02 2000
From: robusdin at hotmail.com (Rob Usdin)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:39:02 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Casting and Hagrid's accent
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEEGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <OE46Q080Gxw8Zw5V6Qc0000076e@hotmail.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 429

Hi folks,

I recently joined the list - haddn't spoken up yet, but thought I should now.

THis issue of casting and Warner bros. screwing up the Harry Potter movies is a good one.

But, I think that Chris Columbus can and WILL do it right.  He seems genuinely concerned for keeping the spirit and tone of the books, especially by his filming two different versions of the movie - one for the UK and one for America.  The UK is the one I will really want to see.

It makes me think back to when I saw "Willy Wonka and the CHocolate Factory" - which happens to be my all time favorite movie.  While some license was taken in bringing the movie to life in a "pseudo American/ENglish town" with AMerican actors, it absolutely is a wonderful interpretation of the book.

But that's the point isn't it - with a book you can just imagine everything as you wish to see it - a movie takes that away from you - but what it does is give yo a physically visual interpretation of the book....and we can only hope it is as true to the book as possible.

--*Rob
(who is also a huge Roald Dahl fan - anyone else?)





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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 22:50:52 2000
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jen Piersol)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:50:52 -0000
Subject: Character summary: Ludovic Bagman
Message-ID: <8oeqcc+pflr@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 430

When we first meet Bagman, the first thing we're meant to notice is 
the difference between him and Percy's boss, Mr. Crouch.  Bagman is 
loads more fun, he doesn't take himself (or rules) that seriously,
and it's very clear which one Ron and Harry identify with more.  
However, through the course of the book, we learn some disturbing 
things about Ludo Bagman.

For one thing, there's the pesky problem of Bertha Jorkins and her 
mysterious disappearance.  Though she's a member of his department,
he doesn't feel it's necessary to spend the time or the manpower to
go look for her until the Ministry is made to look completely foolish 
by Rita Skeeter, and then it's with great reluctance.  Then, 
throughout the Triwizard Tournament, he's overly willing to help
Harry complete his tasks - but doesn't seem to think it's necessary
to help the other champions.  He's seen with goblins at the Three
Broomsticks, which is also where Rita Skeeter mentions that she knows 
things about him that would make Hermione's hair curl (not that she 
needs it).  Winky down in the kitchens mentions that her master says 
he's a "bad man". Then, Harry discovers through Dumbledore's penseive 
that Bagman was accused of being a spy and a Death Eater - but was 
acquitted, essentially because he was a famous quidditch player.

When we finish the book, we discover that Bagman doesn't have a knut 
to his name, and he's basically on the run from everyone who he owes 
money to, including Fred and George, whose bet he paid in Leprachaun 
gold at the end of the World Cup.  We also find out that he bet on 
Harry to win the Tournament (hence the willingness to help him with 
his tasks), but since Harry "tied" with Cedric according to the 
goblins, he lost *that* bet, too.


More discussion topics:

What about Ludo's name?  We've discussed many things - from Ludo 
meaning "play" in Latin to Bagman being a term for someone who is
left holding the bag..... or for someone whose job is to hold the 
money bag in a robbery.  Any other suggestions?  We know Rowling's 
propensity for "nominative determinism" - what's in store for Ludo 
Bagman?

Another thing.  Is Ludo Bagman just stupid?  Did he REALLY not know 
his uncle was a Death Eater and a spy?  Or is he really one of the 
most intelligent people we've come in contact with yet?  Is his 
"stupid" mask an ingenious cover for his dark associations?  Does he 
have the best disguise of all of them?


Have fun!




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 22:48:46 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:48:46 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Roald Dahl, Rob
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEEGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <OE46Q080Gxw8Zw5V6Qc0000076e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <027001c01142$20d02700$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 431

Me, me!  Grins.  I am still learning of new books daily (like Witches, will watch for that one!)

Welcome to the club!
:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rob Usdin 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Casting and Hagrid's accent


  Hi folks,

  I recently joined the list - haddn't spoken up yet, but thought I should now.

  THis issue of casting and Warner bros. screwing up the Harry Potter movies is a good one.

  But, I think that Chris Columbus can and WILL do it right.  He seems genuinely concerned for keeping the spirit and tone of the books, especially by his filming two different versions of the movie - one for the UK and one for America.  The UK is the one I will really want to see.

  It makes me think back to when I saw "Willy Wonka and the CHocolate Factory" - which happens to be my all time favorite movie.  While some license was taken in bringing the movie to life in a "pseudo American/ENglish town" with AMerican actors, it absolutely is a wonderful interpretation of the book.

  But that's the point isn't it - with a book you can just imagine everything as you wish to see it - a movie takes that away from you - but what it does is give yo a physically visual interpretation of the book....and we can only hope it is as true to the book as possible.

  --*Rob
  (who is also a huge Roald Dahl fan - anyone else?)





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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Aug 28 23:07:12 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:07:12 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chapter 8 Summary: The Quidditch World Cup
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000828230712.00739aa0@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 432

>What do you think of Fudge's relationship with the Malfoys?  He's 
>really buddy-buddy with them in this chapter, making sure to mention 
>their most recent contribution (to the same hospital where Neville's 
>parents reside - though we don't know that until near the end of the 
>book).

This is one of my favourite chapters in GoF.

Re Fudge: I imagine Fudge is scared of Lucius Malfoy and might be getting a
nice little pay packet, or 'protection' from him in return for doing a few
dodgy cover-ups. When Fudge finished off Crouch Junior, for example, he may
well have been acting upon instructions from Lucius, who was acting upon
instructions from... well, Voldemort.

When Fudge introduces Malfoy to Arthur Weasley at the Quidditch match he
assumes that they will have met, but he doesn't give the impression that
he's aware of their likely animosity towards each other.  This suggests that
he's a bit out of touch, to say the least.  After all, Lucius and Arthur
once had a fist fight in Flourish and Blotts, which he must have heard
about.  It's more likely that he's been turning a blind eye to Malfoy's
illicit activities for years and - out of fear, mostly - continues to
present Malfoy as a pillar of the community.  Could he be under the
influence of some sort of charm?  Or is he living in cloud cuckoo land, like
most politicians?

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From summers.65 at osu.edu  Tue Aug 29 00:08:41 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:08:41 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re:  new to club
Message-ID: <v02140b34b5d0aeceddc9@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 433


>Or if you want to stick with the Harry Potter adventures there are some
>excellent fanfics out there.  Two that come to mind are "Paradigm of
>Uncertainty" and "A Sirius Affair", both can be found in eGroups I apologize
>for not having the URL for you.  PoU is written by a lady named Lori Summers
>and ASA is written by Penny and Carole, they are both excellent, and have
>all of us who have read it sitting on pins and needles waiting for the next
>chapters for both.
>
Who told you I was a lady?  I categorically deny it.  ;-)

If you want to read PoU or ASA (chapter 7 ooh I'm waiting too) you can also
try ff.net and do a search for the titles.  www.fanfiction.net

Yesterday I borrowed "Holes" by Louis Sachar (another frequently
recommended book for HP lovers) from the bookstore where I work but haven't
started it.  I'm currently reading "A Walk in the Woods" by travel
narrative Bill Bryson, whose stuff is so funny that I may just blow a gut
laughing.  This particular book is about his experience walking the
Appalachian Trail...which for our British friends is a 2100 mile hiking
trail extending from George to Maine that people frequently attempt to
traverse the entire length of.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From summers.65 at osu.edu  Tue Aug 29 00:14:31 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:14:31 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] PoU
Message-ID: <v02140b35b5d0b0c15330@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 434


>It is not really my place to say this but I feel it would be more
>appropriate to have the PoU discussions over on the PoU e-group.
>
>Simon
>
I agree, Simon, but Joy posted the questions here before she knew about the
group.  She's there now, so no worries.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Aug 28 23:51:26 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:51:26 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Character summary: Ludovic Bagman
In-Reply-To: <8oeqcc+pflr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOAEHLCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 435

Bagman is disturbing to me because he is a ranking member of the Ministry
and has left himself open to blackmail and coercion by the Death Eaters.
The Voldemort side may agree to either pay off his gambling debts, or to
eliminate his creditors.  I got the feeling that he WAS a member of the
Death Eaters prior to the downfall of Voldemort, and that he was given
preferential treatment and let free due to his popularity as a sports hero
(sounds like a few Muggles I know).



========================================
The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to
pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country
and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly
is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich
men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and
we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property
of other men.  We are intellectual prostitutes.

~ John Swinton,
the Chief of Staff for the New York Times, 1953




From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Mon Aug 28 23:51:46 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:51:46 -0000
Subject: Amazon to sell cars
In-Reply-To: <009601c0113a$b33a6d60$7e977ed4@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <8oetui+b1u3@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 436

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Nick Mitchell" <nick at n...> wrote:
> I wonder... does this mean we can soon by a Blue Ford Anglia, 
complete with
> a fourpack of HP books?

My beloved 1988 Nova died last week (head gasket.)  I am therefore 
seriously shopping for a new car.

The relevance is that if Ford sold the Anglia in the states, I would 
really be tempted, just to have my own Flying Ford Anglia.

I like that car.  Now its running around the forest, it seems happy 
but it was willing to rescue Ron and Harry, AND it lost a side mirror 
in the process, so one could say that it was willing to risk itself 
for Ron.

Perhaps once it recovered from the lengthy trip to Hogwarts it 
realized that it was having a lot more fun than it could have just 
sitting in Mr. Weasley's garage and driving on the roads on occasion 
and was grateful to Ron for essentially freeing it from servitude.

Vicki






From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 28 23:58:13 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:58:13 -0000
Subject: Sex!
Message-ID: <8oeual+hd3l@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 437

Well, sorry to disappoint, but the topic is not sex per se, but two 
things related to sex: genetics and contraception among wizards.
My theory at the moment on the "magic gene" idea is that there are 
two genes that control magic; which means there are nine possible 
genotypes: 1) MMNN, 2) MMNn, 3) MMnn, 4)MmNN 5) MmNn, 6) Mmnn, 7) 
mmNN, 8) mmNn, and 9) mmnn.  (Note: those genotypes are definitely 
not evenly distributed among the population).  For both 
genes, "magic" is dominant over "muggle", but *both* genes need to be 
magic for the person to have magical quailities.  So for a person to 
be a wizard, he or she would have to have genotype 1, 2, 4, or 5.  If 
two muggles, one with genotype 3 or 6, and one with 7 or 8, were to 
have kids, there is at least the possibility that one or more of them 
will be a wizard.  On the other hand, wizard couples with the 
following genotype combinations would be able to give birth to a 
squib: 2 and 2, 2 and 5, 4 and 4, 4 and 5, 5 and 5.  The relative 
frequency that each of these nine genotypes appear in the population 
could be anywhere in a wide range, but if one or both of the 
domninant genes (M or N) were rare enough in the population as a 
whole, people with genotypes 1, 2, 4, or 5 (i. e. wizards) would be 
as rare as the books imply.  Sorry if this is really involved; this 
is only one theory; my point is to show that it is at least 
*possible* to explain through genetics what we've seen about patterns 
of magical inheritance.  One last thing, though: if my theory here is 
true, it is obviously possible for mixed marriages to produce 
muggles; I do think that that has to be possible, if squibs from 
pureblood marriages are possible.  One reason we haven't yet heard of 
this happening might be the relative rarity of mixed marriages in the 
first place.
Just a little note about contraception among wizards, and, if it 
exists, the reason why there are so many little Weasleys: being 
raised Catholic, I can see immediately that, even in the wizard 
world, there might be people who have personal or moral reasons for 
not using contraception.  Perhaps the Weasleys feel this way.  It 
might then seem odd that they continued to refuse to use 
contraception during the Voldermort years, but if GoF is any 
indication, Arthur (and I would assume the same is true of Molly) is 
not the kind of person to back down from his principles.




From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 00:10:20 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:10:20 -0000
Subject: Location of the Leaky Cauldron !
In-Reply-To: <8o9n5e+9j3q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oev1c+mfg6@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 438

This borders on being off topic, but I was pleasantly surprised to 
find out that I had been to this part of London when I took a trip 
there last spring break (my first visit to England).  In fact, it was 
just a block or so from Leicester Square that I was the victim of an 
attempted mugging (muggling?).  Two young men asked me to lend them a 
pound and as I had my wallet out they saw the ten pound note inside 
and tried to grab it.  I resisted and held on even as they hit and 
kicked me; I'd like to say I fought them off, but the fact is, the 
reason I was able to make my excape was thay they just seemed to give 
up and let go after only about a minute.  Would it be farfetched to 
suppose that some friendly wizard was passing by in the crowd on the 
way to Diagon's Alley, saw me, and cast an anti-muggle charm on my 
attackers, making them remember an urgent appointment they had 
elsewhere?

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Prof.  Dumbledore" <recla at m...> 
wrote:
> For those who were keeping up with my travels, I left Oregon Last 
> week for a Trip to London on a personal quest to try and locate the 
> Leaky Cauldron.  Best guess, based on the various descriptions from 
> the books, placed it somewhere on Charing Cross Road, North of 
> Trafalgar Square, and probably South of Trottenham Court Road.
> 
> I have created a new File Folder for Location of the Leaky 
Cauldron, 
> with photos taken in the area.  
> 
> With the Help of "BabyNick" and "Flying Ford Anglia-Neal" we were 
> able to pinpoint it's location on Charing Cross Road, just South of 
> Oxford Street by about two blocks.  This places it between a Book 
> Store and a Record Shop, both located on Charing Cross Road. From 
the 
> front it appears as a simple doorway, to our Muggle eyes.  We can 
> only guess what it's appearance is to a magical person.  
> 
> In addition to being an area of many book stores and record shops, 
> just South of this particular block, is the theatre district with 
> several of the more popular London plays are being performed. This 
> would also help to hide anyone who might look or dress unusually. 
The 
> locals or tourists would probably consider them to be a performer.
> It was very common to see people dressed as Sherlock Holmes, 
> Electronic Robots, and others strange sites as these street 
> performers worked to collect donated coins for their performances.
> 
> Seeing someone the size of Hagrid, would only be passed off as one 
of 
> the local performers in costume.
> 
> For those who are interested in locating this area, Walk North on 
> Charing Cross Road from Trafalgar Square, or take the Underground 
to 
> Tottenham Court Road Station and go South or the Leicester Square 
> Station and go North.  Cross road will be Denmark Street and 
Charing 
> Cross Road.  
> 
> BTW, there is a good Quick Chinese Take Away, about two doors down 
> from the Leaky Cauldron.  
> 
> Dennis




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Tue Aug 29 00:22:09 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:22:09 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re:  new to club
In-Reply-To: <v02140b34b5d0aeceddc9@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEEKCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 439

"I'm currently reading "A Walk in the Woods" by travel narrative Bill
Bryson, whose stuff is so funny that I may just blow a gut laughing.  This
particular book is about his experience walking the Appalachian
Trail...which for our British friends is a 2100 mile hiking trail extending
from George to Maine that people frequently attempt to traverse the entire
length of."

That book is very funny and well worth the read. It is definitely one of his
best. And here was me thinking that Lori was hard at work producing chapter
14 for us to read later.

Must go and get some sleep.

Simon




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 00:46:59 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:46:59 -0000
Subject: Sex Ed in Britain&America (was Infamous Health-Class Talk... Hogwarts Style!)
In-Reply-To: <8od88t+i2go@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8of163+77lv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 440

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Pam Scruton" <Pam at b...> wrote:
> > In British schools it is usually the school nurse who gives 'the 
> talk' in Primary Schools (age 5 to 11 in England and Wales, 5 - 12 
in Scotland) and if our local school is anything to go by, she gives 
the talk separately to boys and girls. <snip> Sex Education in 
secondary schools (11/12 - 16/18) is a big debating point in Britain -
some schools provide sex ed separately for boys and girls, some teach 
boys and girls together and some do both depending on what is being 
taught.

You have GOT to be kidding.  Sex ed?  Below sixth grade?  If I even 
so much as *mentioned* the "s" word to my fifth graders, TPTB would 
run me out on a rail.

Sex ed, in districts that teach it, is almost NEVER given to children 
below sixth grade.  In the school district that I was educated in and 
now currently work in, "health education" is required in ninth 
grade.  For me it consisted of the athletic director showing graphic 
pictures of STDs in their advanced stages, mothering an egg for a 
semester, and writing budgets for mock weddings.  I am not kidding.

My current character ed curriculum mentions nothing about physical 
well-being beyond "eat breakfast" and "get a good night's rest on the 
night before a test".  Last year, I was not even allowed to give away 
free samples of deodorant and feminine hygiene articles to my fifth 
and sixth graders.  Keep in mind that kids 9-12 nowadays are smack 
dab in the middle of puberty, onset of menstruation, etc.  Despite my 
unit head's cautions, I gave them to the seventh and eighth graders 
in my drama classes.

Now, I may not be as radical as some of you, but I think that our 
mock-Puritanism is absolutely ridiculous.  And yet it seems implied 
that the HP novels in this one regard conform more to American custom 
than British.

Ebony AKA AngieJ (whose mother gave her "the talk" when she was six 
years old)




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 00:47:27 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:47:27 -0000
Subject: Slytherin-- Crabbe and Goyle?
Message-ID: <8of16v+nofv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 441

Hello:

Quick Sorting question that came to me in the middle of an 
excruciatingly exhausting FH practice this evening...

If Slytherin House is the house for cunning people who 'use any means 
to achieve their ends', what are a couple of dunderheads like Crabbe 
and Goyle doing in there?  There's the possibility that it just might 
have been the one best suited for them, but it still seems a bit odd 
that two boys who appear to have half the brains of a stegosaurus 
between them are in a House for "cunning" people.

Just a thought. 

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 00:59:59 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:59:59 -0000
Subject: Sex-Ed (slightly OT)
In-Reply-To: <8of163+77lv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8of1uf+dqlo@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 442

Hello:

> Sex ed, in districts that teach it, is almost NEVER given to 
>children below sixth grade.  In the school district that I was 
>educated in and now currently work in, "health education" is 
>required in ninth grade.  For me it consisted of the athletic 
>director showing graphic pictures of STDs in their advanced stages, 
>mothering an egg for a semester, and writing budgets for mock 
>weddings.  I am not kidding.

Eighth grade health in my district: Bring out the teaching tool that 
I've affectionately nicknamed "The Box O' Birth Control".  Pass 
around room.  Hit boys who try to make balloons out of condoms.  Make 
class say word "abstinence" several times.  Give Sue Spinnet 
detention when she interchanges it with "fornication" and "coitus 
interruptus".  Show class "The Greg Louganis Story".

I still can't see how this relates to ninth grade health in my 
district: blow-up CPR dummies and made-for-USA movies that always 
seem to involve booze and Suzanne Somers.  (I am ashamed to share a 
name with that woman.)  
 
The way school districts treat sex nowadays is ridiculous.  The idea 
of waiting until junior high (when most students are already swimming 
through the Sea of Hormones) to treat it as an issue is absurd; by 
that age, most girls have already dealt with all those lovely little 
rites of passage and most boys have already developed a fixation on 
the bra strap of the girl who sits in front of them in Geography.  

> Ebony AKA AngieJ (whose mother gave her "the talk" when she was six 
> years old)

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet (who was given "the talk" 
at the age of seven after her nine-year-old best friend Matt 
accidentally stumbled upon his brother's stack of old Playboys) 




From summers.65 at osu.edu  Tue Aug 29 02:03:08 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:03:08 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Sex-Ed (slightly OT)
Message-ID: <v02140b38b5d0ca17470f@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 443


I remember getting the sex-ed/menstruation talk at school when I was in
fifth grade and again in sixth.  They separated the girls from boys...but
now that I think about it I don't recall any actual sex ed, it was mostly
about getting periods.  I do remember my sixth-grade teacher describing to
a fascinated audience about what labor was like.

My Mom never gave me the talk.  I figured it out on my own.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 01:08:01 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:08:01 -0000
Subject: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <OE46Q080Gxw8Zw5V6Qc0000076e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <8of2dh+al54@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 444

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Rob Usdin" <robusdin at h...> wrote:
> It makes me think back to when I saw "Willy Wonka and the CHocolate 
Factory" - which happens to be my all time favorite movie.  While 
some license was taken in bringing the movie to life in a "pseudo 
American/ENglish town" with AMerican actors, it absolutely is a 
wonderful interpretation of the book.


Yes, it is.  Gene Wilder was *fantastic*.

I remember now that first author that came to mind when I first read 
HP was Roald Dahl.  I loved reading his books as a child and can 
still remember the school librarian reading "The Twits" to my first 
grade class.  I'd like to do some Dahl this year, but the fourth 
grade teachers pretty much cover him.

(Sidenote--a little announcement I'm sort of proud of--I just learned 
today that I've been appointed as a lead teacher at my school, fifth 
grade team leader to be exact!  As this is my second year of contract 
teaching, I am quite pleased.  It'll mean some extra work, but I'll 
have an administrative voice in how the district's Grade 5 curriculum 
is interpreted at our school, what themes we cover, what field trips 
we take, etc.)

I *still* think that any vocals on the HP soundtrack should appeal to 
a wide range of listeners.  If that means "pop", so be it.  I don't 
discriminate against an entire category of music just because it 
isn't my cup of tea.  The Lion King soundtrack, Rice, and Elton John 
were a perfect combination IMO.  You don't have to be eight years old 
to appreciate that.

How can we as *Harry Potter* fans turn up our nose at something just 
because it's popular?  Just like Harry Potter would be good reading 
if one person or one billion people read it, good music is good music 
no matter whether it lands on the Billboard Top 40 or not.

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From joym999 at aol.com  Tue Aug 29 01:12:50 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:12:50 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris/Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <8oc58a+jacf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8of2mi+imdv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 445

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Merriman Vicki" <VMerriman at f...> 
wrote:
> People have suggested that Richard Harris isn't a good enough actor 
> to play Dumbledore, but no one has suggested another problem I see.
> 
> He's just too old to take on the role [snip} So, IMO, they 
> should have started with a younger actor, or at least one who looks 
> healthier, like Patrick Stewart.  However, Patrick Stewart doesn't, 
> to my knowledge ever wear a wig for a role, so maybe he didn't want 
> to start now even for the role of Dumbledore.
> 

I am a big fan of the Patrick Stewart for Dumbledore campaign, so I 
heartily second Vickis suggestion, not that anyone is listening to 
us.  And I will add to it that Patrick Stewart did actually wear a 
wig on Broadway recently.  I didnt actually see the play - all I know 
about it was that it is a recent work by Arthur Miller (who wrote 
Death of a Salesman and yes, he is still alive) - but I read about 
the wig in the reviews.  According to my father (whose taste is 
usually pretty good) the play was terrible and Patrick Stewart was 
miscast.




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Aug 29 01:16:13 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:16:13 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
References: <8of2dh+al54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39AB0EDD.2EA85F55@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 446



Ebony Elizabeth wrote:

> ---"Rob Usdin" <robusdin at h...> wrote:
> > It makes me think back to when I saw "Willy Wonka and the CHocolate
> Factory" - which happens to be my all time favorite movie.  While
> some license was taken in bringing the movie to life in a "pseudo
> American/ENglish town" with AMerican actors, it absolutely is a
> wonderful interpretation of the book.
>
> I remember now that first author that came to mind when I first read
> HP was Roald Dahl.  I loved reading his books as a child and can
> still remember the school librarian reading "The Twits" to my first
> grade class.  I'd like to do some Dahl this year, but the fourth
> grade teachers pretty much cover him

My husband is firmly convinved that James Potter is the grown up version of
James of the Giant Peach, and that's why Harry has no grandparents (or
great-aunts!) on his father's side.
I'm firmly convinved that he's wrong, more or less, but it would make sense
for James' parents to have passed away early in his life - it would explain
the lack of grandparents & other family on his father's side, and explain
why he & sirius were "like brothers"...

(btw - Elizabeth - congrats on the appointment!)

(OT - do any of you live in the Washington DC area? If they ever play Willy
Wonka at a Cinema Drafthouse on a weekend afternoon again, go, sit in the
back, and order a chocolate sundae (or knickerbocker glory) to eat while
watching the film!)






From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 01:18:56 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:18:56 -0000
Subject: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <8of2dh+al54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8of320+lq29@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 447

Hello:
 
> Yes, it is.  Gene Wilder was *fantastic*.

Aaah!  I love that movie!
 
> I remember now that first author that came to mind when I first read
> HP was Roald Dahl.  I loved reading his books as a child and can 
> still remember the school librarian reading "The Twits" to my first 
> grade class.  I'd like to do some Dahl this year, but the fourth 
> grade teachers pretty much cover him.

In fourth grade, my teacher read the first few chapters of "The 
Witches" to us.  I couldn't wait for her to finish it, so I checked 
it out of the library on my own-- and I've been reading Dahl ever 
since.
 
> (Sidenote--a little announcement I'm sort of proud of--I just 
>learned today that I've been appointed as a lead teacher at my 
>school, fifth grade team leader to be exact!  As this is my second 
>year of contract teaching, I am quite pleased.  It'll mean some 
>extra work, but I'll have an administrative voice in how the 
>district's Grade 5 curriculum is interpreted at our school, what 
>themes we cover, what field trips we take, etc.)

Congratulations!  I can only hope that my Soph Eng teacher *aack!  2 
days!* will be as creative and open-minded as you, Ebony! 

>I *still* think that any vocals on the HP soundtrack should appeal 
>to a wide range of listeners.  If that means "pop", so be it.  I 
>don't discriminate against an entire category of music just because 
>it isn't my cup of tea.  The Lion King soundtrack, Rice, and Elton 
>John were a perfect combination IMO.  You don't have to be eight 
>years old to appreciate that.

I remember being ten and crying at that movie!  *g*
 
> How can we as *Harry Potter* fans turn up our nose at something 
>just because it's popular?  Just like Harry Potter would be good 
>reading if one person or one billion people read it, good music is 
>good music no matter whether it lands on the Billboard Top 40 or not.

Not all good music is indie-techno and underground punk-ska.  As a 
devout follower of the latter, I can definitely say that inexperience 
can produce some of the most awful, ear-shattering tunes possible.  
(If anyone ever sees a band advertised as "Victims of the American 
Dream" in the MA area, I advise you to run, unless you want to hear 
awful, terrible, bizarre songs written by Yours Truly.)

I like the idea of a "Lion King"-inspired soundtrack-- but I also 
like the idea of having a rock band do the theme song, ? la
"George 
of the Jungle" and the Presidents of the United States of America.  
It's a given that when the movie comes out, I'll be blasting the 
radio whenever a song comes on!

--Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 01:22:51 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:22:51 -0000
Subject: Sex-Ed (slightly OT)
In-Reply-To: <v02140b38b5d0ca17470f@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8of39b+dirg@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 448

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:
>  My Mom never gave me the talk.  I figured it out on my own.

That's why educators get so furious at right-wing parent interest 
groups who tell us that "Sex ed should be taught in the home."  It 
almost never is.  Peers are usually the ones who give the Talk.  And 
while some kids and teens can sift the b.s. away from cold clinical 
fact, others aren't nearly as discerning.

Most of my friends who are also in their 20s can't relate to my 
stories about my mother's books, diagrams, and educational mail-order 
videotapes.  I, in turn, am shocked by their stories about how they 
found out the essentials and all the misinformation they believed.  
But my mother has a *very* strong personality--she believe in giving 
us her point of view about everything before anyone else could.  
That's where I get my opinionated big mouth from.  ;)

To get back to the topic, I am almost positive that Hogwarts has no 
sex education course and that students must fend for themselves on 
that issue.  Poor kids.

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 01:51:52 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:51:52 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Slytherin-- Crabbe and Goyle?
References: <8of16v+nofv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02f101c0115b$b5d05780$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 449

Ok, what house would Dudley be in?  I think he too would be Slytherin, just for the same reason as Crabbe and Goyle.  They all share that same bully those smaller and weaker/younger attitudes, which is why I think they were placed in that house.

And yes, I am a babbling blonde.

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alicia/Sue Spinnet 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:47 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Slytherin-- Crabbe and Goyle?


  Hello:

  Quick Sorting question that came to me in the middle of an 
  excruciatingly exhausting FH practice this evening...

  If Slytherin House is the house for cunning people who 'use any means 
  to achieve their ends', what are a couple of dunderheads like Crabbe 
  and Goyle doing in there?  There's the possibility that it just might 
  have been the one best suited for them, but it still seems a bit odd 
  that two boys who appear to have half the brains of a stegosaurus 
  between them are in a House for "cunning" people.

  Just a thought. 

  --Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 02:12:12 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:12:12 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl, Ebony, and etc.
References: <8of320+lq29@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <030901c0115e$8c2c85e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 450


  Hello:

  >> Yes, it is.  Gene Wilder was *fantastic*.

  >Aaah!  I love that movie!
  I second that comment!  He is the most awesomest!  (Wonder if he could do British accents?  Nah.  I do own a copy of the movie, and took my little class tape recorder one night and taped the whole songtrack that way (until I catch it on Napster?)


  >> I remember now that first author that came to mind when I first read
  >> HP was Roald Dahl.  I loved reading his books as a child and can 
  >> still remember the school librarian reading "The Twits" to my first 
  >> grade class.  I'd like to do some Dahl this year, but the fourth 
  >> grade teachers pretty much cover him.

  >In fourth grade, my teacher read the first few chapters of "The 
  >Witches" to us.  I couldn't wait for her to finish it, so I checked 
  >it out of the library on my own-- and I've been reading Dahl ever 
  >since.

  In third grade, we got lucky and had a substitute, named Mrs. Hood.  I wasn't a big big reader until that year, but she brought in and started reading Nancy Drew and the 99 steps, or the like, and that sounds like exactly what I did (dragged mom to the mall, and used birthday money to buy myself a copy...  When Mrs. Hood found out, she wasn't mad I had read ahead (like finished the book like HP?), but instead asked me to bring in my copy and show the pictures to the class as she read!  She was sooo kewl!

  > (Sidenote--a little announcement I'm sort of proud of--I just 
  >learned today that I've been appointed as a lead teacher at my 
  >school, fifth grade team leader to be exact!  As this is my second 
  >year of contract teaching, I am quite pleased.  It'll mean some 
  >extra work, but I'll have an administrative voice in how the 
  >district's Grade 5 curriculum is interpreted at our school, what 
  >themes we cover, what field trips we take, etc.)

  I too want to congratulate you; I wish more teachers were like you out there!


  :)
  Dee




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From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Tue Aug 29 02:32:22 2000
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (lj2d30 at gateway.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:32:22 -0000
Subject: Spreading Harry Joy
Message-ID: <8of7bm+k3pe@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 451

Gee, I go out of town for a weekend and there's 450 msgs in the box! 
My word, we are a talkative bunch!  Sorry I missed the chat, but I 
was driving across the state of GA on my way back from TN.

Anyway, I had gone to a family get together (cousin's wedding shower) 
and taken my 10 yo cousin's b-day present (HP & GoF).  I had bought 
it in July when I got mine and told her family not to let her talk 
anyone into getting it as I had it for her.  The lies they told that 
child in order keep her in the dark!  Her dad told her he didn't want 
her reading it because of the violence and the wizarding subject 
matter, which she *totally* believed and mentioned to me after she 
opened the package. "Daddy won't let me read it!"  Given that he was 
raised on "Star Wars" this reaction is completely out of character!  
And her mom had to tell everyone NOT to get GoF for her b-day behind 
her back when she told what she wanted for her b-day!  She also loved 
the Snitch pin I made in a crafting spree.  (So did my 6 month old 
cousin. Perhaps she is a future Seeker.) It was so much fun seeing 
her so excited over receiving the book, and since she's not quite 
finished with PoA, she was begging for spoilers, which I did not give 
out!  

Cheers!

Trina





From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 02:34:30 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:34:30 -0000
Subject: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <8of320+lq29@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8of7fm+etti@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 452

There is no doubt about it.  I remember "The Witches" "The BFG" 
"George's marvelous medicene" and Roald Dahl's biography which our 
teacher read in the 2nd grade...does anyone remember the name of it?  

I don't think that a pop group would exactly fit the books but I 
wouldn't be dead set against something like it.  I saw the stage 
adaption in New York and I LOVED it- truely an inspiring peoce of 
theatre.  The broadway songs were much more African Influenced and I 
thought that the duality of the languages (English and Zulu) added 
greatly to the richness of the score.

So that is why I go back to my idea that a score for HP should 
include Celtic influences...of course I really doubt that we will get 
that...

Scott 

PS: Our school marching band is doing Charlie and the Chocolate 
Factory, I'm not in it but I agree.... I love the movie.

-- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Alicia/Sue Spinnet" 
<AliciaSpinnet at h...> wrote:
> Hello:
>  
> > Yes, it is.  Gene Wilder was *fantastic*.
> 
> Aaah!  I love that movie!
>  
> > I remember now that first author that came to mind when I first 
read
> > HP was Roald Dahl.  I loved reading his books as a child and can 
> > still remember the school librarian reading "The Twits" to my 
first 
> > grade class.  I'd like to do some Dahl this year, but the fourth 
> > grade teachers pretty much cover him.
> 
> In fourth grade, my teacher read the first few chapters of "The 
> Witches" to us.  I couldn't wait for her to finish it, so I checked 
> it out of the library on my own-- and I've been reading Dahl ever 
> since.
>  
> > (Sidenote--a little announcement I'm sort of proud of--I just 
> >learned today that I've been appointed as a lead teacher at my 
> >school, fifth grade team leader to be exact!  As this is my second 
> >year of contract teaching, I am quite pleased.  It'll mean some 
> >extra work, but I'll have an administrative voice in how the 
> >district's Grade 5 curriculum is interpreted at our school, what 
> >themes we cover, what field trips we take, etc.)
> 
> Congratulations!  I can only hope that my Soph Eng teacher *aack!  
2 
> days!* will be as creative and open-minded as you, Ebony! 
> 
> >I *still* think that any vocals on the HP soundtrack should appeal 
> >to a wide range of listeners.  If that means "pop", so be it.  I 
> >don't discriminate against an entire category of music just 
because 
> >it isn't my cup of tea.  The Lion King soundtrack, Rice, and Elton 
> >John were a perfect combination IMO.  You don't have to be eight 
> >years old to appreciate that.
> 
> I remember being ten and crying at that movie!  *g*
>  
> > How can we as *Harry Potter* fans turn up our nose at something 
> >just because it's popular?  Just like Harry Potter would be good 
> >reading if one person or one billion people read it, good music is 
> >good music no matter whether it lands on the Billboard Top 40 or 
not.
> 
> Not all good music is indie-techno and underground punk-ska.  As a 
> devout follower of the latter, I can definitely say that 
inexperience 
> can produce some of the most awful, ear-shattering tunes possible.  
> (If anyone ever sees a band advertised as "Victims of the American 
> Dream" in the MA area, I advise you to run, unless you want to hear 
> awful, terrible, bizarre songs written by Yours Truly.)
> 
> I like the idea of a "Lion King"-inspired soundtrack-- but I also 
> like the idea of having a rock band do the theme song, ? la
> "George 
> of the Jungle" and the Presidents of the United States of America.  
> It's a given that when the movie comes out, I'll be blasting the 
> radio whenever a song comes on!
> 
> --Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 02:31:57 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:31:57 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Spreading Harry Joy
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No: HPFGUIDX 453

Snitch pin?  Pics please!!!!!!

Dee
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  Gee, I go out of town for a weekend and there's 450 msgs in the box! 
  My word, we are a talkative bunch!  Sorry I missed the chat, but I 
  was driving across the state of GA on my way back from TN.

  Anyway, I had gone to a family get together (cousin's wedding shower) 
  and taken my 10 yo cousin's b-day present (HP & GoF).  I had bought 
  it in July when I got mine and told her family not to let her talk 
  anyone into getting it as I had it for her.  The lies they told that 
  child in order keep her in the dark!  Her dad told her he didn't want 
  her reading it because of the violence and the wizarding subject 
  matter, which she *totally* believed and mentioned to me after she 
  opened the package. "Daddy won't let me read it!"  Given that he was 
  raised on "Star Wars" this reaction is completely out of character!  
  And her mom had to tell everyone NOT to get GoF for her b-day behind 
  her back when she told what she wanted for her b-day!  She also loved 
  the Snitch pin I made in a crafting spree.  (So did my 6 month old 
  cousin. Perhaps she is a future Seeker.) It was so much fun seeing 
  her so excited over receiving the book, and since she's not quite 
  finished with PoA, she was begging for spoilers, which I did not give 
  out!  

  Cheers!

  Trina



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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:39:28 -0400
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No: HPFGUIDX 454

Ok. This is a mess, yes.  Just wanted to let people know, if they are
getting stuff like this, that they aren't alone.  I am not certain why
(exceeded the max for the day?) but I did find and remark on an interesting
little tidbit.  My server (IP) is the neo.rr portion.  It goes from there to
my yahoo.  From there, it goes to egroups.  During the NEO and Yahoo
portion, it's stating it (the date) is 8-28.  When it hits egroups, it
appears that it's 8-29.  Now, for those who understand linux, unix, or other
languages that are newer, and hence beyond me (I still do the ancients,
as400 and cobol!), can you help me figure out why this is happening?

Thanks!

Dee

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Dee

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Subject: [HPforGrownups] Spreading Harry Joy


  Gee, I go out of town for
a weekend and there's 450 msgs in the box!
  My word, we are a talkative
bunch!  Sorry I missed the chat, but I
  was driving across the state of
GA on my way back from TN.

  Anyway, I had gone to a family get together
(cousin's wedding shower)
  and taken my 10 yo cousin's b-day present (HP
& GoF).  I had bought
  it in July when I got mine and told her family
not to let her talk
  anyone into getting it as I had it for her.  The
lies they told that
  child in order keep her in the dark!  Her dad told
her he didn't want
  her reading it because of the violence and the
wizarding subject
  matter, which she *totally* believed and mentioned to
me after she
  opened the package. "Daddy won't let me read it!"  Given
that he was
  raised on "Star Wars" this reaction is completely out of
character!
  And her mom had to tell everyone NOT to get GoF for her
b-day behind
  her back when she told what she wanted for her b-day!  She
also loved
  the Snitch pin I made in a crafting spree.  (So did my 6
month old
  cousin. Perhaps she is a future Seeker.) It was so much fun
seeing
  her so excited over receiving the book, and since she's not
quite
  finished with PoA, she was begging for spoilers, which I did not
give
  out!

  Cheers!

  Trina



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From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 02:50:22 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:50:22 -0000
Subject: "I Capture the Castle" and other things to read...(despairingly Off Topic)
Message-ID: <8of8de+2p1e@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 455

I was finished with GoF and dejectedly perusing the shelves of Barnes 
& Noble for something else to read a few weeks ago.  There are so 
many books if only I would see one that looked interesting....WAIT!  
I galnced down on the shelf.  I was positive I had seen J.K. Rowling 
on one of the books.  Could Jo have written an unknown book that I 
alone would discover.  Not in the Slightest.  

The book was "I Capture the Castle" by Dodie Smith (Yes she wrote 101 
Dalmations!!!), and no I'm not going crazy emblazoned across the 
cover is this quote-

"This book has one of the most charismatic narrators I've evner 
met."  -J.K. Rowling author of hte Harry Potter series.

So, needless to reiterate, I purhased the book.  I found it 
interesting, a lovely story that, while not at all fantasy (not in 
the least)- I would wholly recommend.  Apparently the book has been 
out of print.

So that's nice but what else is there to read (well besides the HP 
series AGAIN!!!)  I'm looking for books to tie me over... 

And not strictly fantasy, any novels you would recommend!



Scott




From kathleen at carr.org  Tue Aug 29 03:13:02 2000
From: kathleen at carr.org (Kathleen Kelly MacMillan)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:13:02 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Chapter 8 Summary: The Quidditch World Cup
Message-ID: <200008290316.e7T3Gpw11357@ccpl.carr.org>

No: HPFGUIDX 456

>Finally, in a desperation move to save some semblance of
>his pride, Krum captures the snitch, even though Bulgaria is down by
>160 points and it's not going to win them the game - thus securing
>Fred and George a nice payoff for their risky wager in the last
>chapter.


My question is:  How on earth did George and Fred predict such an odd event?  
Knowing them, there was more to this than luck.  Spending some time with 
Professor Trelawney, perhaps?

Kathy




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 03:16:36 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:16:36 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re:  new to club
References: <007c01c01139$4c7332c0$7e977ed4@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <39AB2B14.3D1677C6@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 457

Try the young adult series by Diane Duane:

First is So You Want to Be A Wizard
Deep Wizardry
High Wizardry
A Wizard Abroard

All quite good.  My favorites are the first two.  Interestingly, I think that
when the series starts out, Nita, the protagonist, and her partner, Kit, are
11.

There is also a related spin off series (where the wizards are cats, operating
the worldgates.  They know an awful lot about physics/string theory)

The Book of Night (I think)
To Visit the Queen

Peg





From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 03:21:06 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:21:06 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Casting and Hagrid's accent
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEEGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <OE46Q080Gxw8Zw5V6Qc0000076e@hotmail.com>
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No: HPFGUIDX 458


Rob Usdin wrote:

> But, I think that Chris Columbus can and WILL do it right.  He seems genuinely concerned for keeping the spirit and tone of the books, especially by his filming two different versions of the movie - one for the UK and one for America.  The UK is the one I will really want to see.

I was dubious about Chris Columbus, but I discovered one thing about him that makes me hopeful, which I hadn't thought of until I read a snippet of an interview with him, and that is that he seems to be extremely cognizant of the dangers of using child actors because of his experience with casting the
kid in Home Alone (Caulkin??), whose life later went off the rails.  And so Columbus said that he wanted to cast good actors whose parents would be a rock-steady influence (caulkin's were evil monsters).  He is VERY aware that these kids are going to be under enormous pressure, and that the publicity
could wreck their lives, and so he is going to be taking extra pains to protect them so that they can live as normally as possible.

Peg





From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 03:27:21 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:27:21 -0500
Subject: Useful/interesting HP links
Message-ID: <39AB2D99.54D044E5@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 459

Here for further reading/listening are several of the pages I've found
with lots of links of Harry Potter information, including reviews,
analysis and interviews:

General information nodes:

http://tlc.ai.org/rowling.htm

http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/fc/Entertainment/Harry_Potter/

http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Mountain/5101/links.html

http://www.education.wisc.edu/ccbc/hplinks.htm

These pages (listed above) include the following interviews: Here's a
fifty minute interview of
Rowling you can hear from the National Public Radio program Diane Rehm
Show (plays with
RealAudio). It includes Rowling doing a reading:

http://www.wamu.org/ram/1999/r1991020.ram

Here's her speech and question and answer question session at the
National Press club
(RealAudio). Includes Rowling doing a reading:

http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/exrad/991020.jkrowling.ram

Another fifty minute RealAudio interview:


http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/connection/audio/1999/12/con1228a.rm

A print interview:

http://www.the-times.co.uk/onlinespecials/features/harrypotter/

I'm sure you'll find more, too, on those big link collections I've
listed above.

Also: The link above to the Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club includes
links to a lot of fan
sites. Here's another link cluster with a lot of fan sites:

http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Meadow/7720/index.html

Here's one of my favorite analytic articles (with a good rebuttal to
those who reject HP
because it "embraces the occult," i.e., Christian Conservatives):

http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0001/reviews/jacobs.html

And some other rather analytical articles, collected by the University
of Wisconsin:

http://www.education.wisc.edu/ccbc/hpreview.htm

Here's a site called The Harry Potter Lexicon, which gathers information
about the HP world.  I point it out because I think the timeline can be
particularly useful.

http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/

There. That should be enough to keep you all out of trouble for awhile.

Peg





From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 03:43:59 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:43:59 -0000
Subject: What to read in the meantime
Message-ID: <8ofbhv+9r42@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 460

I would recommend C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy (Out of the Silent 
Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength), which I just finished 
reading, having had it recommended to me by a friend (much the same 
thing happened with Harry Potter).  I had already read all of the 
Narnia books (as well as Lewis's Screwtape Letters), and they are 
definitely worth more than a look, too.  Of course, neither of 
Lewis's two fantasy series are "fantasy" in the traditional sense; 
they are often overtly Christian allegory, and focus more on 
characters in the "real" world.  But I reccomend them not just 
because they are fantasy, but because they are such good books.
Of course, the same goes for Lewis's friend Tolkien; if you haven't 
read The Hobbit or Lord of The Rings they should be the top fantasy 
books on your list.
Otherwise I am not much of a fantasy reader, but I think if I find 
the time I wouldn't mind trying some Ursula LeGuin.  Anybody have a 
suggestion as to a good starting place for her writings?




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Tue Aug 29 03:49:30 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:49:30 -0000
Subject: Casting and Hagrid's accent
In-Reply-To: <39AB2C21.9B86A816@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8ofbsj+lqp7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 461

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
> I was dubious about Chris Columbus, [snip] he seems to be extremely 
cognizant of the dangers of using child actors because of his 
experience with casting the > kid in Home Alone (Caulkin??), whose 
life later went off the rails.  And so Columbus said that he wanted 
to cast good actors whose parents would be a rock-steady influence 
(caulkin's were evil monsters).  He is VERY aware that these kids are 
going to be under enormous pressure, and that the publicity
> could wreck their lives, and so he is going to be taking extra 
pains to protect them so that they can live as normally as possible.


I read the same (or similar) interview and quote and was also 
pleasantly surprised.  It sounds as though he was interviewing and 
testing the parents of the potential child actors to determine 
their "stage mother" quotient.  ie. how much they are pushing the 
kids themselves and how much they will allow them, and perhaps even 
sometimes force them, to remain kids.   It may be easier to pull off 
in the UK than it would be in the States.  It seems to me that actors 
and actresses aren't venerated in the way that we seem to worship 
them in the states.  They are just actors.  That's their job.  Would 
some of the British in the group agree/disagree?

It also sounds as though he feels somewhat guilty and partially 
responsible for what happened to McCaulkin.  I'm glad he learned from 
the experience.

Vicki




From recla at magick.net  Tue Aug 29 03:57:31 2000
From: recla at magick.net (Prof.  Dumbledore)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:57:31 -0000
Subject: Amazon to sell cars
In-Reply-To: <8oetui+b1u3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ofcbb+fn3a@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 462

I'm sure if you look around you can find one, it was a quite popular 
import during the middle to late 60's. Almost purchased one back in 
1966, but decided it looked too American and bought a SAAB instead.
Do a used car search and maybe you can find one.

DR

> The relevance is that if Ford sold the Anglia in the states, I 
would really be tempted, just to have my own Flying Ford Anglia.
> I like that car.  Now its running around the forest, it seems happy 
> but it was willing to rescue Ron and Harry, AND it lost a side 




From klaatu at primenet.com  Tue Aug 29 04:08:06 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:08:06 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] "I Capture the Castle" and other things to read...(despairingly Off Topic)
In-Reply-To: <8of8de+2p1e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEIACAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 463

I second the recommendation for "I Capture The Castle" -- it's a wonderful
story! I just finished recommending to another e-groups author list that I'm
on.

Some other recent goodies I've read:

These two are sensual/modern tales of, respectively, vampires and
werewolves.
"The Silver Kiss" by Annette Curtis Klause
"Blood and Chocolate" by Annette Curtis Klause

"The Changeover" by Margaret Mahy  (About New Zealand witches.  Hard to
find, but the source for two of the characters in Lori's "Paradigm of
Uncertainty" fanfic)

"The Lost Years of Merlin" by T. A. Barron (first of at least 4 books in a
series about Merlin's childhood).

"The House With A Clock in Its Walls" by John Bellairs.  Fun story

"Tuck Everlasting" by Natalie Babbitt  (An old standard fantasy book, but a
lovely story about immortality.)


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott [mailto:harry_potter00 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:50 PM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] "I Capture the Castle" and other things to
read...(despairingly Off Topic)


I was finished with GoF and dejectedly perusing the shelves of Barnes
& Noble for something else to read a few weeks ago.  There are so
many books if only I would see one that looked interesting....WAIT!
I galnced down on the shelf.  I was positive I had seen J.K. Rowling
on one of the books.  Could Jo have written an unknown book that I
alone would discover.  Not in the Slightest.

The book was "I Capture the Castle" by Dodie Smith (Yes she wrote 101
Dalmations!!!), and no I'm not going crazy emblazoned across the
cover is this quote-

"This book has one of the most charismatic narrators I've evner
met."  -J.K. Rowling author of hte Harry Potter series.

So, needless to reiterate, I purhased the book.  I found it
interesting, a lovely story that, while not at all fantasy (not in
the least)- I would wholly recommend.  Apparently the book has been
out of print.

So that's nice but what else is there to read (well besides the HP
series AGAIN!!!)  I'm looking for books to tie me over...

And not strictly fantasy, any novels you would recommend!



Scott



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From brooksar at indy.net  Tue Aug 29 04:44:05 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks A. Rowlett)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:44:05 -0500
Subject: Diane Duane Books, was Re: new to Club
References: <967521461.13732@egroups.com>
Message-ID: <39AB3F97.116EB927@indy.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 464

> A Wizard Abroad 

In which Nita is sent by her parents to Ireland to visit her Aunt Anne,
to get her away from all this dangerous wizarding stuff.  Aunt Anne, is
a nice portrait of Anne McCaffrey - although not explicitly stated, it
is pretty obvious if you know anything about AM, who lives in Ireland
and raises horses and has been a mentor to Diane Duane.  "Aunt Anne" is,
of course, a wizard herself.  She & Nita are trying to conceal the fact
of their wizardry from each other when in truth they need to co-operate.
 Lots of Irish legend incorporated in the story.


>The Book of Night (I think)  <---  full title is The Book of Night With Moon
>To Visit the Queen

Diane Duane also wrote the 'Door' title trilogy, called the "The Tale of
the Five": 
The Door Into Fire
The Door Into Shadow
The Door Into Sunset

which have a VERY Unusual setting.
In this universe & Society:
*The Supreme Being is a three-fold Goddess, with Mother, Lover, Crone aspects
*There was a fourth, male, apparently, who allowed Death to be part of
Creation, and is cast out from the others and delights in (1) his
solitude and (2) messing up things.
(The theme of the enemy of the forces of light, who put entropy/death as
his part of creation, is also in the kid Wizards books (First three
collected by SFBC as _Support Your Local Wizard_ - and the purpose of
Wizards is to slow down the death of the universe by fighting death and entropy.)
*The Commandments for people:
**You can have a straight or a gay lifetime relationship as you wish, no
condemnation of either, but you MUST produce a minumum of one child (to
replace yourself).  More than one is neither forbidden nor encouraged.
**Everybody who lives to adulthood gets to make love with a physical
manifestation of the Lover aspect of the Three once before he or she
dies.  And you know it once it happens.)
  (Surprisingly there are still atheists in this universe, even though
they had the experience!)
*Most Wizards are female - the quest of the first book is that main
character is likely the first man in several generations to have enough
potential magic to summon mystic fire, and he needs to go on the quest
to win that power.

Duane is either love it or hate it though.  To me they have a strong
positive emotional effect, so I like them, even if logically i do find
them a bit strange.

-Brooks



From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 04:59:21 2000
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jen Piersol)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:59:21 -0000
Subject: Sex-Ed (now VERY OT)
In-Reply-To: <v02140b38b5d0ca17470f@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8offv9+8mq6@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 465

Okay, I have to reply here, as I seem to have had a different 
experience here.  What follows is a true story. ;)

Where I went to school, we started sex ed in the third grade. 
Nothing major, just "when you're older, you'll need to wear a bra" 
type stuff.  Boys were separated from girls - except for one highly 
embarrassing class where we got the technical "nobody ever remebers 
the technical name for those things" talk.  Then, believe it or not, 
we had a quiz - girls took a quiz on boys' bodies, and vice versa.

Sex ed continues - once a year for about a week - until about 9th 
grade, when they assume we know it all (and seeing as my county in 
central california had the highest teen pregnancy rate in the whole 
UNITED STATES for a few years there, we certainly knew what went 
where).

Funny story - when I was in eighth grade, we had sex-ed with the 7th 
grade science teacher... who everyone (girls, esp) thought was a 
pervert.  Well, lo and behold, one day after a particular video, he 
came up from the back of the class with his zipper down.  I kid you 
not.

Jen (whose mom died when she was 8, so she had to tell her dad she 
"started her period" by leaving him a note on the dresser telling him 
"please don't talk to me about it" and then he dropped her off in a 
kids clothing store and made the sales lady tell her it was so that 
she could get a bra.)






From summers.65 at osu.edu  Tue Aug 29 06:05:54 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:05:54 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] "I Capture the Castle" and other things to read...(despairingly Off Topic)
Message-ID: <v02140b3db5d102df9e45@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 466


>"The Changeover" by Margaret Mahy  (About New Zealand witches.  Hard to
>find, but the source for two of the characters in Lori's "Paradigm of
>Uncertainty" fanfic)
>
I've had no trouble finding it through used book services.  Mahy wrote some
other really cool YA fiction, such as "The Tricksters" (still available at
bookstores) and "The Catalogue of the Universe" (more a romance, but still
cool).

>"The House With A Clock in Its Walls" by John Bellairs.  Fun story
>
This book has three sequels, too.  One of my favorite childhood books...and
the first one has original illustrations by Edward Gorey!

Lori



**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From Tallonclaw at aol.com  Tue Aug 29 06:13:24 2000
From: Tallonclaw at aol.com (Tallonclaw at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:13:24 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re:  new to club
Message-ID: <5a.a0e538a.26dcae84@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 467

In a message dated 8/28/00 8:31:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
pkerr06 at attglobal.net writes:

<< Try the young adult series by Diane Duane:
 
 First is So You Want to Be A Wizard
 Deep Wizardry
 High Wizardry
 A Wizard Abroard
 
 All quite good.  My favorites are the first two.  Interestingly, I think that
 when the series starts out, Nita, the protagonist, and her partner, Kit, are
 11.
 
 There is also a related spin off series (where the wizards are cats, 
operating
 the worldgates.  They know an awful lot about physics/string theory)
 
 The Book of Night (I think)
 To Visit the Queen >>

In that vein (sort of) I love Diane Duane and when I found her I also found 
Tamora Pierce who has written: 

Song of the Lioness Quartet
The Immortals Quartet
The Protector (will be a quartet eventually, only the first one is out)
Circe of Magic Quartet (Different universe then the other three)

These are fantasy set in a medieval-ish world, just a recomendation 
Cloe 



From Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk  Tue Aug 29 08:25:40 2000
From: Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk (Pam Scruton)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:25:40 -0000
Subject: Sex-Ed (slightly OT)
In-Reply-To: <8of39b+dirg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ofs24+7fjm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 468

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Ebony Elizabeth" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> To get back to the topic, I am almost positive that Hogwarts has no 
> sex education course and that students must fend for themselves on 
> that issue.  Poor kids.

I disagree with you - just because we aren't told about the sex ed or 
other PSE (personal and social education) that doesn't mean that they 
don't have any. (Gosh - were there the right number of negatives 
there?)   We aren't told about the other sporting activities either - 
but quidditch wouldn't be the only sport.  

Of course, if we were Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Wizarding 
Schools, then JKR would have to lay out the curriculum in much more 
detail ...

Pam




From particle at urbanet.ch  Tue Aug 29 09:19:14 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:19:14 +0200
Subject: [Probably OT by now] Dahl, While You Wait, HP Soundtrack, Ebony, etc.
Message-ID: <007501c0119a$33bc7b40$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 469

Ebony - congratulations on your promotion! 

A few Roald Dahl comments:
<I am still learning of new books daily (like Witches, will watch for that one!)>
The Witches is my absolute favorite Dahl book, I think. Definitely worth waiting for.
If someone's looking for Roald Dahl's autobiography, btw, there are two volumes - the first, Boy, is about his childhood, and I highly recommend. The second, about his adulthood, which I haven't read, is called Flying Solo.

As to the HP soundtrack, I personally am in favor of a non-vocal soundtrack - to me, it seems to convey more HP-ness than, say, Elton Jon and Tim Rice (even though I did like the Lion King soundtrack a lot). Whoever proposed that there should be Celtic influences in the soundtrack, well, I agree...let's start praying ^_^.

Recently, I've read only one fantasy series apart from HP worth recommending - it's a series about cats saving the world from evil - actually, that's not strictly true, but this isn't one of those books you can summarize in a phrase. It's a wonderful read, particularly if you're one of those Watership Down fans like I am, but even if you're not. The first book is the first step in saving the world, interwoven with the coming of age of a young Burmilla cat named Tag. There are two books so far, and the series might or might not be finished, I'm not sure. The author is Gabriel King.

The Wild Road
The Golden Cat

~Firebolt



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From warmsley at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 29 09:39:54 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:39:54 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Character summary: Ludovic Bagman
Message-ID: <01c0119d$16630660$ef4001d5@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 470


-----Original Message-----
From: Sister Mary Lunatic <klaatu at primenet.com>
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Date: 29 August 2000 00:49
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Character summary: Ludovic Bagman


>Bagman is disturbing to me because he is a ranking member of
the Ministry
>and has left himself open to blackmail and coercion by the
Death Eaters.
>The Voldemort side may agree to either pay off his gambling
debts, or to
>eliminate his creditors.  I got the feeling that he WAS a
member of the
>Death Eaters prior to the downfall of Voldemort, and that he
was given
>preferential treatment and let free due to his popularity as a
sports hero
>(sounds like a few Muggles I know).
>
>

Actually, I think we know he's *not* a death eater, because of
what Voldemort says about the death eaters (one a coward, one
left my service, one at hogwarts) - Bagman was still at hogwarts
at this point, so he can't have been one of the ones there, and
the three refer to Snape, Karkaroff and Crouch.

Jeremy/Peeves




From warmsley at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 29 09:31:57 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:31:57 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
Message-ID: <01c0119b$f9d283a0$ef4001d5@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 471


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott <harry_potter00 at yahoo.com>
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Date: 29 August 2000 03:34
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack


> There is no doubt about it.  I remember "The Witches" "The
BFG"
> "George's marvelous medicene" and Roald Dahl's biography which
our
> teacher read in the 2nd grade...does anyone remember the name
of it?


"Boy" is the first one and "Going Solo" the second one.

Jeremy/Peeves_is_peeved





From warmsley at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 29 09:29:21 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:29:21 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
Message-ID: <01c0119b$9d030dc0$ef4001d5@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 472

>I *still* think that any vocals on the HP soundtrack should
appeal
>to a wide range of listeners.  If that means "pop", so be it.
I
>don't discriminate against an entire category of music just
because
>it isn't my cup of tea.  The Lion King soundtrack, Rice, and
Elton
>John were a perfect combination IMO.  You don't have to be
eight
>years old to appreciate that.

>

Aye, but you can be 17 years  old and detest Elton John and all
his musical output with a passion.
Thing is, there's a kind of threshold around the age of 11 or 12
where it suddenley becomes very, very, very unhip to like boy
band -style music. At least in this country, and at least for
boys.

> How can we as *Harry Potter* fans turn up our nose at
something
>just because it's popular?  Just like Harry Potter would be
good
>reading if one person or one billion people read it, good music
is
>good music no matter whether it lands on the Billboard Top 40
or not.

I don't care whether it's popular or not but rather whether it's
good or not. I was thinking more from a sales point of view -
saying that they'll alienate people (me!) if they use
boyband/elton john/tim rice/whatever. But that demographic is
probably very small, and not in their target market anyway, so
it probably won't matter.

Anyway, the music isn't really the point, and I suppose if they
use Boyzone or something then they might make some more money,
which'll make the Harry Potter brand a little healthier,
which'll mean more books. Or something.

Although I'd still  be happier if they went the soundtrack
rather than popular songs route.

I'm not making very much sense, am I?

Jeremy/Peeves_is_peeved

PS: anyone see High Fidelity?




From warmsley at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 29 09:22:35 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:22:35 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Sex-Ed (slightly OT)
Message-ID: <01c0119a$ab02d820$ef4001d5@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 473


-----Original Message-----
From: summers.65 at osu.edu <summers.65 at osu.edu>
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Date: 29 August 2000 02:05
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Sex-Ed (slightly OT)


>
>I remember getting the sex-ed/menstruation talk at school when
I was in
>fifth grade and again in sixth.  They separated the girls from
boys...but
>now that I think about it I don't recall any actual sex ed, it
was mostly
>about getting periods.  I do remember my sixth-grade teacher
describing to
>a fascinated audience about what labor was like.
>
>My Mom never gave me the talk.  I figured it out on my own.
>

What's this "sex" thing you keep on talking about? I'm utterly
in the dark here...







(just kidding).
We never really got told much about it... I go to a boy's only
private school (blech) and we did get shown a video when we
were... 10 or 11, I think, about which the only thing I could
remember was that it said that masturbation wasn't a bad thing.
The rest I figured out for myself... we did a few things about
menstruation and birth control in our biology classes when we
were 13 or 14, but by this point some people had actually
already given up biology (though not many, and in most schools
giving up a science isn't an option).

Jeremy/Peeves_is_peeved




From lrcjestes at msn.com  Tue Aug 29 11:11:20 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:11:20 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] OT - High Fidelity
References: <01c0119b$9d030dc0$ef4001d5@warmsley>
Message-ID: <002501c011a9$dd5738c0$8e6a5ecf@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 474

>
> Jeremy/Peeves_is_peeved
>
> PS: anyone see High Fidelity?

yes, as a matter of fact...it was the one of the few movies I've seen in the
theaters this year.  (I'm a mom of 3 and generally go to the movies with the
kids....so my summer has been filled with chicken run and Pokemon 2000)
Anyway, I really enjoyed that movie.  I'm a Cusack fan anyway, but it was
interesting to see a a guy "get it" in terms of what relationships are all
about at the end.  Interesting perspective of music as well...I like his
various rearranging of his record collection.

carole






From mickey-m at email.msn.com  Tue Aug 29 12:00:18 2000
From: mickey-m at email.msn.com (mickey-m at email.msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:00:18 -0000
Subject: Chapter 8 Summary: The Quidditch World Cup
In-Reply-To: <8oepkc+m6o8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8og8ki+rcje@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 475

--- Hi,
I am new to the group. I've just read all 4 HP books for the second 
time. My husband is astonished cause I'm not a reader. LOL 
First point I want to mention is that I don't think the sneakoscope 
has been of much use for Harry so far. He never made the connection 
of scabbers being Wormtail until he was showen. Therefore he never 
made the connection to his sneakoscope going off. He thought it 
didn't work properly.

I don't think Fudge is really buddy buddy to Malfoy. I think Fudge is 
scared of Malfoy. In the chapter Parting of the Ways, Fudge really 
shows his fear of "He Who Must Not Be Named", in refusal to 
acknowledge that he has actually rose again. I think this will be a 
real problem to Dumbledore in future books. 

Now what role do u think Wormtail will play later? Remember 
Dumbledore told Harry Wormtail owes him his life. It's the Wizard Law 
when one Wizard saves a life of another. Diane :-)





In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jen Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> At last, we've finally come to the quidditch action (unfortunately, 
> the only quidditch action we're going to see in the whole book, 
which 
> isn't known at this point).  We follow the Weasleys, Hermione, and 
> Harry to the top of the stadium and the best seats in the house - 
the 
> top box.  Here we're introduced to a couple of new characters and 
> spells, beginning with a new house-elf named Winky, who though 
afraid 
> of heights, has been ordered by her master Mr. Crouch to save him a 
> seat.  We also learn from Winky that Dobby, though doing well in
> body, has pretty much lost his mind, for "freedom has gone to 
Dobby's 
> head, sir", and he wants wages, of all things.  Horrors!  Shortly
> afterward, the box begins to fill.  We see Cornelius Fudge again, 
> accompanied by the Bulgarian Minister.  Ludo Bagman is also going 
to 
> be joining the crowd in the top box.  And of course, the Malfoys 
join 
> everyone - including the elusive Mrs. Narcissa Malfoy, who looks as 
> though everything smells nasty to her.  Finally, it's time for the 
> festivities to begin, and Ludo Bagman points his wand to his 
throat, 
> mutters "sonorus", and his voice is magically amplified over the
> crowd to begin the play-by-play.
> 
> First, we have a showing of the team mascots.  The Bulgarians have 
> brought Veela, "women"-like creatures who inspire the desire in the 
> men of the crowd (well, the boys at least) to do death-defying 
feats 
> in order to impress them.  When they've finished, we're left with 
Ron 
> sitting down, tearing his Irish souvenirs (sp?) to bits, his father 
> trying to warn him that he'll want them later.  Next, the Irish 
> mascots come zooming over the stands showering the fans with gold.  
> Leprachauns!  After a nice display, they settle down on the Irish
> side of the stadium, and we're introduced to the team players, 
> including the famous Bulgarian seeker Viktor Krum.
> 
> Over the next few (many?) pages, we're treated to spectacular 
> quidditch moves, special effects from the omnioculars (nose-picking 
> again and again and again, slow-motion gone wrong, etc), and rude 
> gestures from the opposing teams' mascots.  From the beginning, 
> Ireland is clearly the powerhouse (except for perhaps the seeker, 
who 
> is clearly damaged physically, if not also mentally, by the end of
> the game).  Finally, in a desperation move to save some semblance 
of 
> his pride, Krum captures the snitch, even though Bulgaria is down 
by 
> 160 points and it's not going to win them the game - thus securing 
> Fred and George a nice payoff for their risky wager in the last 
> chapter.  Mr. Crouch, it is noticed, has never shown up to take his 
> saved seat.
> 
> The participants are then paraded through the top box (we learn now 
> that the Bulgarian Minister *is* able to speak English after all - 
to 
> the chagrin of Fudge, who's been making an ass of himself all day 
> trying to mime words to him), and when the action is all over, we 
> follow the Weasleys, Hermione and Harry back to their tents, where 
at 
> least one of them will go to sleep with visions of being the next 
> quidditch world cup champion dancing in his head.  End of chapter.
> 
> Now, there are some specific topics I hope we can go over - for 
> example:
> 
> What do you think of Fudge's relationship with the Malfoys?  He's 
> really buddy-buddy with them in this chapter, making sure to 
mention 
> their most recent contribution (to the same hospital where 
Neville's 
> parents reside - though we don't know that until near the end of 
the 
> book).
> 
> Do you think the omnioculars will be useful later on in the series 
as 
> the sneakoscope has?
> 
> For fun: what would *you* do with a pair of omnioculars? :)
> 
> Discuss!




From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 29 11:09:48 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:09:48 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Richard Harris/Dumbledore
References: <8of2mi+imdv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01c011b1$aa266360$360d073e@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 476


----- Original Message -----
From: Joywitch <joym999 at aol.com>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:12 AM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Richard Harris/Dumbledore


> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Merriman Vicki" <VMerriman at f...>
> wrote:
> > People have suggested that Richard Harris isn't a good enough actor
> > to play Dumbledore, but no one has suggested another problem I see.
> >
> > He's just too old to take on the role [snip} So, IMO, they
> > should have started with a younger actor, or at least one who looks
> > healthier, like Patrick Stewart.  However, Patrick Stewart doesn't,
> > to my knowledge ever wear a wig for a role, so maybe he didn't want
> > to start now even for the role of Dumbledore.
> >
>
> I am a big fan of the Patrick Stewart for Dumbledore campaign, so I
> heartily second Vickis suggestion, not that anyone is listening to
> us.

I could definitely live with Patrick Stewart as Dumbledore - I could listen
to him to the whole 'Space, the final frontier' spiel all day.  However, a
group of us have been playing fantasy Harry Potter casting for quite some
time, and our nomination for Dumbledore was Tom Baker AKA the Fourth Doctor.
We came to this conclusion based on his ability to convey arcane wisdom
mixed with something impish, he has an almost otherwordly quality and that
wonderful, as Michelle said, mellifluous tone.  Just my two knuts on the
subject...

Alix




From mickey-m at email.msn.com  Tue Aug 29 12:29:45 2000
From: mickey-m at email.msn.com (mickey-m at email.msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:29:45 -0000
Subject: Character summary: Ludovic Bagman
In-Reply-To: <8oeqcc+pflr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ogabp+kjvg@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 477

--- I think Bagman is really that stupid. Remember he got hit once 
too many times in the head with a bludger. LOL I don't think he's a 
death eater. But what part will Snape play? What about Dumbledore? He 
smiled when Harry told him about Voldemort taking blood from him. 
Diane :-) 



In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jen Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> When we first meet Bagman, the first thing we're meant to notice is 
> the difference between him and Percy's boss, Mr. Crouch.  Bagman is 
> loads more fun, he doesn't take himself (or rules) that seriously,
> and it's very clear which one Ron and Harry identify with more.  
> However, through the course of the book, we learn some disturbing 
> things about Ludo Bagman.
> 
> For one thing, there's the pesky problem of Bertha Jorkins and her 
> mysterious disappearance.  Though she's a member of his department,
> he doesn't feel it's necessary to spend the time or the manpower to
> go look for her until the Ministry is made to look completely 
foolish 
> by Rita Skeeter, and then it's with great reluctance.  Then, 
> throughout the Triwizard Tournament, he's overly willing to help
> Harry complete his tasks - but doesn't seem to think it's necessary
> to help the other champions.  He's seen with goblins at the Three
> Broomsticks, which is also where Rita Skeeter mentions that she 
knows 
> things about him that would make Hermione's hair curl (not that she 
> needs it).  Winky down in the kitchens mentions that her master 
says 
> he's a "bad man". Then, Harry discovers through Dumbledore's 
penseive 
> that Bagman was accused of being a spy and a Death Eater - but was 
> acquitted, essentially because he was a famous quidditch player.
> 
> When we finish the book, we discover that Bagman doesn't have a 
knut 
> to his name, and he's basically on the run from everyone who he 
owes 
> money to, including Fred and George, whose bet he paid in 
Leprachaun 
> gold at the end of the World Cup.  We also find out that he bet on 
> Harry to win the Tournament (hence the willingness to help him with 
> his tasks), but since Harry "tied" with Cedric according to the 
> goblins, he lost *that* bet, too.
> 
> 
> More discussion topics:
> 
> What about Ludo's name?  We've discussed many things - from Ludo 
> meaning "play" in Latin to Bagman being a term for someone who is
> left holding the bag..... or for someone whose job is to hold the 
> money bag in a robbery.  Any other suggestions?  We know Rowling's 
> propensity for "nominative determinism" - what's in store for Ludo 
> Bagman?
> 
> Another thing.  Is Ludo Bagman just stupid?  Did he REALLY not know 
> his uncle was a Death Eater and a spy?  Or is he really one of the 
> most intelligent people we've come in contact with yet?  Is his 
> "stupid" mask an ingenious cover for his dark associations?  Does 
he 
> have the best disguise of all of them?
> 
> 
> Have fun!




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Aug 29 12:30:49 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:30:49 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
References: <8of2dh+al54@eGroups.com> <39AB0EDD.2EA85F55@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <39ABACF8.7B387424@the-beach.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 478



> Ebony Elizabeth wrote:
>
> > ---"Rob Usdin" <robusdin at h...> wrote:
> > > It makes me think back to when I saw "Willy Wonka and the CHocolate
> > Factory" - which happens to be my all time favorite movie.  While
> > some license was taken in bringing the movie to life in a "pseudo
> > American/ENglish town" with AMerican actors, it absolutely is a
> > wonderful interpretation of the book.
> >
> > I remember now that first author that came to mind when I first read
> > HP was Roald Dahl.  I loved reading his books as a child and can
> > still remember the school librarian reading "The Twits" to my first
> > grade class.  I'd like to do some Dahl this year, but the fourth
> > grade teachers pretty much cover him
>
> My husband is firmly convinved that James Potter is the grown up version of
> James of the Giant Peach, and that's why Harry has no grandparents (or
> great-aunts!) on his father's side.
> I'm firmly convinved that he's wrong, more or less, but it would make sense
> for James' parents to have passed away early in his life - it would explain
> the lack of grandparents & other family on his father's side, and explain
> why he & sirius were "like brothers"...
>
> (btw - Elizabeth - congrats on the appointment!)
>
> (OT - do any of you live in the Washington DC area? If they ever play Willy
> Wonka at a Cinema Drafthouse on a weekend afternoon again, go, sit in the
> back, and order a chocolate sundae (or knickerbocker glory) to eat while
> watching the film!)




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Tue Aug 29 12:36:32 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 29 Aug 2000 05:36:32 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Richard Harris/Dumbledore
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From LadyHufflepuff at aol.com  Tue Aug 29 14:00:23 2000
From: LadyHufflepuff at aol.com (LadyHufflepuff at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:00:23 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Useful/interesting HP links
Message-ID: <84.a236a1a.26dd1bf7@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 480

Wow, Peg.....thanks a million for all those links!  As a newbie here and a 
recent HP convert I appreciate all that I can get my hands on these days.  

I've got a LOT of reading to do......

LadyHufflepuff



From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 14:35:01 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:35:01 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Richard Harris/Dumbledore
References: <8of2mi+imdv@eGroups.com> <00ba01c011b1$aa266360$360d073e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <055c01c011c6$50e42660$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 481

However, a group of us have been playing fantasy Harry Potter casting for quite some
time, and our nomination for Dumbledore was Tom Baker AKA the Fourth Doctor.
We came to this conclusion based on his ability to convey arcane wisdom
mixed with something impish, he has an almost otherwordly quality and that
wonderful, as Michelle said, mellifluous tone.  Just my two knuts on the
subject...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Ah, if only he wasn't already involved in the Dungeons and Dragons, the Movie, as the Leader Elf!  (or head elf, king elf?)


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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Aug 29 14:58:03 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:58:03 -0000
Subject: [HPforGrownups] "I Capture the Castle" and other things to read...
Message-ID: <8ogj1r+avfm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 482

I have a copy of I Capture The Castle but haven't had time to read it 
so far - after all these positive comments, I think it's next on my  
list.
My recommendation is a combination of historical fiction and fantasy -
 it's called The Eight by Katherine Neville (no, not THAT Neville!). 
It's at 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345366239/o/qid=967560750/sr=8
-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_3/002-4807228-4988832
It takes place in both the late 1700's/early 1800's AND 1972 - in the 
1972 portion, Catherine Velis is a computer expert with a flair for 
music, painting, and chess who, on her way to Algeria at the behest 
of the accounting firm where she is employed, is invited to take a 
mysterious moonlighting assignment: recover the pieces of an old 
chess set missing for centuries. The French Revolution portion 
involves a young nun who discovers that her abbey is the hiding place 
of a chess set, once owned by the great Charlemagne, which allows 
those who play it use it for alchemical purposes. She eventually 
comes into contact with the major historical figures of the day, from 
Robespierre to Napoleon, (with figures as diverse as Newton, Bach, 
Ben Franklin, Marat and Cassanova) - everyone an agenda! 
The book is great for anyone who enjoys chess, music, mystery, 
alchemy or the logic puzzle Snape concocted in Book 1. There's some 
sexy stuff in it, but I read it when I was a teenager, so I'll just 
say it's a book for the Over 14s.




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Aug 29 15:25:29 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:25:29 -0000
Subject: Cassandra Vlabatsky, author of Unfogging the Future
Message-ID: <8ogkl9+s4c1@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 483

Just a little note on names - I have a very very strong feeling that 
the name of the author of Unfogging the Future, Cassandra Vlabatsky, 
is derived from the name of a woman who owned a house which is now on 
the campus of the University of Pennsylvania (which is where I went 
to school) - she was very well known in "spiritualist" circles in the 
late 1800s. I just popped over to the restaurant's website, where 
they have a little history of the house where the restaurant is 
located, and I have reposted it here:


In 1875, Madame Helena P. Blavatsky resided at 3420 Sansom Street, 
now home of the White Dog Cafe. Scholar, teacher, spiritualist, and 
uninhibited eccentric, Madame Blavatsky was one of the most colorful 
and extraordinary characters of the century. She authored many 
volumes of work including The Secret Doctrine, which explored, in her 
words, "The accumulated wisdom of the ages." In the fall of 1875, she 
founded the Theosophical Society, a worldwide organization dedicated 
to the promotion of universal brotherhood, and standing for complete 
freedom of individual search and belief.

While living on Sansom Street, Madame Blavatsky became ill with an 
infected leg. During her illness, she underwent a transformation 
which inspired her to found the Theosophical Society. In a letter 
dated June 12, 1875, Madame Blavatsky described her recovery, 
explaining that she dismissed the doctors and surgeons who threatened 
amputation, ("Fancy my leg going to the spirit land before me!") and 
had a white dog sleep across her leg by night, curing all in no time.

"Behold the truth before you: A clean life, an open mind, a pure 
heart, an eager intellect, an unveiled spiritual perception, a 
brotherliness for one's co-disciple, a readiness to give and receive 
advice and instruction, a courageous endurance of personal injustice, 
a brave declaration of principles, a valiant defense of those who are 
unjustly attacked, and a constant eye to the ideal of human 
progression and perfection - these are the golden stairs up the steps 
of which the learner may climb to the temple of divine wisdom." H.P.B.






From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Aug 29 16:57:10 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:57:10 -0000
Subject: Books on Tape - UK versions
Message-ID: <8ogq16+bus2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 484

I was just popping around amazon.co.uk & looking for the Uk book on 
tape versions - there's 2 different versions of Book1 - the "regular" 
and the "adult" edition - I know there's no difference between the 
books other than the covers - is there any difference between the 
regular & adult tapes? The adult ones are at 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1855494981/qid=967568034/sr=1
-11/026-6370701-7469230
and yes, they too are read by Stephen Fry.

Also, have book on tape versions of Azkaban & GoF been released yet? 
I love jim dale, but do like stephen fry a lot & would like to give 
one of the UK tapes a try.




From nick at nicmit.com  Tue Aug 29 17:13:58 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:13:58 +0100
Subject: Hot News - Hallmark to sell on-line
Message-ID: <001f01c011dc$87839a00$75977ed4@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 485

Hi All

Hallmark have just contacted me to say that they will soon be able to sell
their Harry Potter things on-line.

They have renegotiated their contract with Warner Bros, and should be
selling their HP collectibles on their website soon.

Ah... at last Warner Bros sees sense.   Why they ever decided that HP stuff
should not be sold online, when they sell their own things online, no one
knows... from a marketing view, it just restricts possible sales.

Thought you might like to know the good news.

Nick.





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Aug 29 17:23:36 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:23:36 -0000
Subject: a really neat wallpaper
Message-ID: <8ogrio+f89a@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 486

Check out the background at http://www.cesnur.org/recens/potter_00.htm




From nick at nicmit.com  Tue Aug 29 17:27:46 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:27:46 +0100
Subject: Books on Tape - UK versions
Message-ID: <002401c011de$76adfde0$75977ed4@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 487

Hi

>I was just popping around amazon.co.uk & looking for the Uk book on
>tape versions - there's 2 different versions of Book1 - the "regular"
>and the "adult" edition - I know there's no difference between the
>books other than the covers - is there any difference between the
>regular & adult tapes?

According to the Cover To Cover site... it is just a Jacket change.  COS is
also available in a choice of Jacket.

>Also, have book on tape versions of Azkaban & GoF been released yet?

Azkaban Audio Tape is due in October 2000 according to Amazon.   Cover To
Cover say it's due in the Autumn.

You can order direct from Cover To Cover - www.covertocover.co.uk but costs
are more than from Amazon, especially if sending to the US.

Nick.




From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Tue Aug 29 17:40:39 2000
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:40:39 -0700
Subject: Sex-Ed (slightly OT)
In-Reply-To: <01c0119a$ab02d820$ef4001d5@warmsley>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000829102356.01fa1340@pop.mindspring.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 488

At 10:22 AM 8/29/00 +0100, Warmsley wrote:
>What's this "sex" thing you keep on talking about? I'm utterly
>in the dark here...

Um, well, remember what your mum told you about the stork....?  :)

You all sound luckier than I -- All *we* got in "Sex Ed" was a cartoon 
about the
terrible Herpes monster (resembling the Cookie Monster's evil twin) and how he
was foiled by CAPTAIN CONDOM!! (who resembled Gilderoy Lockhart in spandex)

Everything else they assumed we picked up for ourselves behind the bike sheds.



                                                 -- Dave




From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 17:51:32 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:51:32 -0000
Subject: Cassandra Vlabatsky, author of Unfogging the Future
In-Reply-To: <8ogkl9+s4c1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ogt74+dh4t@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 489

Wow!  I am starting school at Penn in two days!  I will have to look 
up Ms. Vlabatsky's house.  Do you have any more info on her, like was 
she connected with the University at all?

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "heidi tandy" 
<heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> wrote:
> Just a little note on names - I have a very very strong feeling 
that 
> the name of the author of Unfogging the Future, Cassandra 
Vlabatsky, 
> is derived from the name of a woman who owned a house which is now 
on 
> the campus of the University of Pennsylvania (which is where I went 
> to school) - she was very well known in "spiritualist" circles in 
the 
> late 1800s. I just popped over to the restaurant's website, where 
> they have a little history of the house where the restaurant is 
> located, and I have reposted it here:
> 
> 
> In 1875, Madame Helena P. Blavatsky resided at 3420 Sansom Street, 
> now home of the White Dog Cafe. Scholar, teacher, spiritualist, and 
> uninhibited eccentric, Madame Blavatsky was one of the most 
colorful 
> and extraordinary characters of the century. She authored many 
> volumes of work including The Secret Doctrine, which explored, in 
her 
> words, "The accumulated wisdom of the ages." In the fall of 1875, 
she 
> founded the Theosophical Society, a worldwide organization 
dedicated 
> to the promotion of universal brotherhood, and standing for 
complete 
> freedom of individual search and belief.
> 
> While living on Sansom Street, Madame Blavatsky became ill with an 
> infected leg. During her illness, she underwent a transformation 
> which inspired her to found the Theosophical Society. In a letter 
> dated June 12, 1875, Madame Blavatsky described her recovery, 
> explaining that she dismissed the doctors and surgeons who 
threatened 
> amputation, ("Fancy my leg going to the spirit land before me!") 
and 
> had a white dog sleep across her leg by night, curing all in no 
time.
> 
> "Behold the truth before you: A clean life, an open mind, a pure 
> heart, an eager intellect, an unveiled spiritual perception, a 
> brotherliness for one's co-disciple, a readiness to give and 
receive 
> advice and instruction, a courageous endurance of personal 
injustice, 
> a brave declaration of principles, a valiant defense of those who 
are 
> unjustly attacked, and a constant eye to the ideal of human 
> progression and perfection - these are the golden stairs up the 
steps 
> of which the learner may climb to the temple of divine wisdom." 
H.P.B.




From klaatu at primenet.com  Tue Aug 29 18:28:11 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:28:11 -0700
Subject: Madame Blavatsky and Cassandra Vablatsky
In-Reply-To: <8ogt74+dh4t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEIOCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 490

For info on Madame Helena Blavatsky, go to http://www.theosociety.org/
where you can read all of her books full-text, as well as a ton of other
theosophical books.  There's also info on her life and beliefs.  She was, I
believe, widely regarded as a crackpot by a goodly portion of the western
world, but her teachings are still thriving today.







From brooksar at indy.net  Tue Aug 29 18:32:20 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:32:20 -0000
Subject: Cassandra Vlabatsky, author of Unfogging the Future
In-Reply-To: <8ogt74+dh4t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ogvjk+n63r@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 491

While Vlabatsky is clearly a Spoonerism of Blavatsky, it is also
worth 
nothing that 'Cassandra' has a significance too.  In fact, she was 
daughter of Priam of Troy, and received the gift of prophecy from 
Apollo, who loved her; but because she would not obey him he cursed 
her that no one would believe her prophecies.  She survived the fall 
of Troy and was taken home a captive by Agammemnon  -  she warned him 
of trouble but he didn't believe her and both were slain by 
Clytemnestra.




From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 18:38:42 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:38:42 -0000
Subject: Other Fun Things to Read (Still pretty OT, methinks)
In-Reply-To: <v02140b3db5d102df9e45@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8ogvvi+6r3t@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 492

Hello:
 
> >"The House With A Clock in Its Walls" by John Bellairs.  Fun story
> >
> This book has three sequels, too.  One of my favorite childhood 
books...and
> the first one has original illustrations by Edward Gorey!

*does a double-take at her bookshelf*

Ah!  There it is!  Thanks for jarring my memory-- I was trying to 
think of a good book to re-read before I die tomorrow.  (Oh, sorry, 
did I say "die"?  I meant to say, "go back to school".  Meh, same 
thing.)

I loved reading the Lewis Barnavelt books in elementary school-- they 
were well-written and fabulously witty.  I second the thought that 
this should be a must-read for anyone craving more magic and mystery 
post-HP4!

--Alicia/Sue "Aphrodite in Styrofoam" Spinnet (who is dreading her 
return to the Hallowed Halls of High School Hypocrisy, but happy that 
she finished her terribly dreary summer reading assignment 2 weeks 
ago)    




From mickey-m at email.msn.com  Tue Aug 29 18:42:23 2000
From: mickey-m at email.msn.com (mickey-m at email.msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:42:23 -0000
Subject: Weasley's House
In-Reply-To: <8oe776+hssm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oh06f+lvbd@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 493

---That is a good question. I always imagined 2 floors. Unless I 
really missed something. I think I'll go to the second book and 
reread that chapter where Harry goes to the burrow for the first time 
and see what I missed. LOL Diane :-)




 In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "jay barrow" <jay at m...> wrote:
> How many levels are in this house?  I think I counted 7 or 8, 
unless 
> I'm misreading something.  I was reading GoF (US edition) to my 
> nephew yesterday, very early on in which Ron, Hermione, Ginny and 
> Harry climb the stairs to Ron's room at the top.  I'd already read 
> this chapter once myself a few days ago, but the second time around 
I 
> noticed that there seems to be an awful lot of floors to the 
> Weasley's home.  At one point, they pass Percy's room on the 5th 
> floor, I believe, but when everyone is outside preparing for 
dinner, 
> Percy pokes his head out of "the second story window" to shout at 
> everyone to keep down the noise (as he was working diligently on 
his 
> Cauldron thickness report).




From ymekelly at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 19:25:52 2000
From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Yamil=E9e_Emmanuel-Kelly?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:25:52 -0000
Subject: Books on Tape - UK versions
In-Reply-To: <002401c011de$76adfde0$75977ed4@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <8oh2o0+nk4p@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 494

Apparently there is a price difference between the two.  The 
children's version is more expensive (?34.19) then the adult
verison
(?19.79)  BTW, can anyone tell me how much would that be in US 
dollars?

YMEK





From ymekelly at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 19:26:29 2000
From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Yamil=E9e_Emmanuel-Kelly?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:26:29 -0000
Subject: Books on Tape - UK versions
In-Reply-To: <002401c011de$76adfde0$75977ed4@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <8oh2p5+dlk6@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 495

Apparently there is a price difference between the two.  The 
children's version is more expensive (?34.19) then the adult
verison
(?19.79)  BTW, can anyone tell me how much would that be in US 
dollars?

YMEK





From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Tue Aug 29 19:26:31 2000
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:26:31 -0000
Subject: OT -- PoU and ASA
Message-ID: <8oh2p7+go3h@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 496

Hello everyone,

I'm not sure if I've posted yet on this group or not, I think I've 
mainly been trying to catch up on posts.  Ha!  Not making much 
headway, I'm constantly about two thousand behind.  And that's ~with~ 
skimming.  Anyway, I know it's been decided to keep PoU and ASA posts 
on the appropriate site, but I just had a couple questions that are 
very general.  Lori -- am I correct in thinking PoU is going to be 15 
chapters?  I'm sure it's been stated on the PoU site, however I am 
not receiving emails from this group.  My choice, there's no problem 
or anything.  Actually, I joined that group after hearing so much 
about your story, I read the first chapter, loved it, then decided to 
save it til my HP addiction gets the best of me and I really need a 
fix.  (When I joined I put myself down for daily digest, then 
realized my error when I saw a post about Gerald's *secret*!  I 
quickly changed to web site only.) ;o] 

Also, Penny and Carole -- is there a set number of chapters for ASA?  
Or will it just be as long as it needs to be?  Would you say it would 
be better to read ASA before or after PoU?

Okay, that's all I wanted to ask.  Plus, I like that this group came 
to egroups.  I've seen a number of posts I'd like to reply to on the 
yahoo site, but I like to include the relevant parts of the original 
post in my reply, deleting the rest.  Egroups is great for that.  So, 
now if I find I have something to add, especially if ten other people 
don't beat me to it, I'll post.

Really enjoy hearing everyone's thoughts, 

Kelley






From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 19:26:54 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:26:54 -0000
Subject: The foggy future
Message-ID: <8oh2pu+le88@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 497

All this about fortunetellers reminds me of some thoughts I have had 
for awhile on Professor Trelawney.  I personally don't think she is a 
crackpot at all.  My reasoning is this.  It's been said time and time 
again that fortunetelling is a very imprecise type of magic, and so I 
don't think it is really much "practical" use.  Think of the Oracle 
in the Matrix; she knew Neo was the One, but couldn't tell him 
because telling him would have ruined his being the One.  I think 
Rawling has the same philosophy: it really won't help to know the 
future because the knowledge one has of the future will change the 
future. I think Trelawney is very in touch with the universe.  This 
connection with the universe is almost a religious experience for 
her, a sort of meditation.  Her ability to see the future as a result 
is only a side effect.  But pragmatic people like McGonagall and 
Hermione try to shoehorn Trelawney's gift into utilitarian ends, and 
it is their improper perspective that makes Trelawney look like a 
charlatan.
Dumbledore said that Trelawney had only ever made two correct 
prophecies, but she is continually making smaller, vague predictions 
that usually come roughly true.  Examples include Neville's teacup 
and Lavender's rabbit.  As for Hermione leaving the class; she 
obviously had some idea something of the sort was going to happen but 
probably didn't know the specifics or the person involved.  She can't 
see into the future precisely all the time.  But she has a hazy idea, 
and that is the best we can expect of her in strictly practical 
terms.  




From klaatu at primenet.com  Tue Aug 29 19:58:08 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:58:08 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Weasley's House
In-Reply-To: <8oh06f+lvbd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEJBCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 498

Check out the illustration in the American version of GoF, Chapter 5 -- Bill
& Charlie are levitating tables, and "The Burrow" is in the background.
Looks like one of those multi-story dilapidated American Victorian mansions
that always end up as the neighborhood 'haunted house.'  Remember Harry
thought, on first sight of the Burrow, that rooms and floors had been added
on in such a haphazardly fashion that the house looked like it must be held
up by magic.



-----Original Message-----
From: mickey-m at email.msn.com [mailto:mickey-m at email.msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:42 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Weasley's House


---That is a good question. I always imagined 2 floors. Unless I
really missed something. I think I'll go to the second book and
reread that chapter where Harry goes to the burrow for the first time
and see what I missed. LOL Diane :-)




 In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "jay barrow" <jay at m...> wrote:
> How many levels are in this house?  I think I counted 7 or 8,
unless
> I'm misreading something.  I was reading GoF (US edition) to my
> nephew yesterday, very early on in which Ron, Hermione, Ginny and
> Harry climb the stairs to Ron's room at the top.  I'd already read
> this chapter once myself a few days ago, but the second time around
I
> noticed that there seems to be an awful lot of floors to the
> Weasley's home.  At one point, they pass Percy's room on the 5th
> floor, I believe, but when everyone is outside preparing for
dinner,
> Percy pokes his head out of "the second story window" to shout at
> everyone to keep down the noise (as he was working diligently on
his
> Cauldron thickness report).




From robusdin at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 10:58:56 2000
From: robusdin at hotmail.com (Rob Usdin)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:58:56 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
References: <01c0119b$9d030dc0$ef4001d5@warmsley>
Message-ID: <OE15qzAoa2JB1ndcx3V00000274@hotmail.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 499

>>>Aye, but you can be 17 years  old and detest Elton John and all
his musical output with a passion. Thing is, there's a kind of threshold around the age of 11 or 12 where it suddenley becomes very, very, very unhip to like boy band -style music. At least in this country, and at least for boys.<<<

So true....I am in the Big Brother program. My little bro is 9, and already he is caught in this trap - WANTS to still like the Backstreet Boys, but at camp this year he was introduced to Kid Rock.  His mom managed to hold off that one, until his dumb uncle bought him the Kid Rock CD - dirty lyrics and all, effectively destroying a small part of the child inside of him.  It's sad really, because a kid 9 years old should not have to hear songs like "American BadA$$."  But he still loves Harry Potter, so there is hope yet!

As for songs on the soundtrack, I was kind of hoping there won't be ANY pop songs in the movie itself, as I don't see how any pop music would fit the tone of the book to begin with. If pop music was mentioned in the book at all (in a similar fashion to the way Quidditch stars are given some recognition in GoF) then it might have been OK.  But it seems that wizards, as far as we know in the first book, don't have much in the way of music.

I was hoping for a much more traditional soundtrack - more akin to Star Wars and such with a symphonic leaning, rather than a pop song thrown in just for the sake of having one.  I think having one over the closing credits would be ok, but that's about all.  

--*Rob





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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 20:01:39 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:01:39 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Books on Tape - UK versions
References: <002401c011de$76adfde0$75977ed4@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002001c011f3$f2497780$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 500

Nick,
I am assuming that this is the "Fry" version, and not the "Dale" version?  I own all 4 of the HP audio Dale version now....

Shrugs.

I enjoy the listening...

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Mitchell 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 1:27 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Books on Tape - UK versions


  Hi

  >I was just popping around amazon.co.uk & looking for the Uk book on
  >tape versions - there's 2 different versions of Book1 - the "regular"
  >and the "adult" edition - I know there's no difference between the
  >books other than the covers - is there any difference between the
  >regular & adult tapes?

  According to the Cover To Cover site... it is just a Jacket change.  COS is
  also available in a choice of Jacket.

  >Also, have book on tape versions of Azkaban & GoF been released yet?

  Azkaban Audio Tape is due in October 2000 according to Amazon.   Cover To
  Cover say it's due in the Autumn.

  You can order direct from Cover To Cover - www.covertocover.co.uk but costs
  are more than from Amazon, especially if sending to the US.

  Nick.


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From klaatu at primenet.com  Tue Aug 29 20:13:08 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:13:08 -0700
Subject: HP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <OE15qzAoa2JB1ndcx3V00000274@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEJCCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 501

For a hilarious take on a typical movie soundtrack nightmare for Harry
Potter, read

The Americanized Harry Potter Movie Script page

http://members.home.com/tjlsmith/ahpsp.htm




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 20:10:44 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:10:44 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
References: <01c0119b$9d030dc0$ef4001d5@warmsley> <OE15qzAoa2JB1ndcx3V00000274@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c011f5$374fa4c0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 502

I cannot recall off the top of my head, forgive me, but pop music is mentioned in HP.  On Molly's radio are wizard artists playing songs...  and at the Yule Ball, there are 3 Witches who perform...  that would be the spot for someone like the group from Ireland (can't recall, are they called B'Witched?) to play...  Or during the end credits, where everyone leaves the theatre anyway ('cept me!!!!)

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rob Usdin 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack


  >>>Aye, but you can be 17 years  old and detest Elton John and all
  his musical output with a passion. Thing is, there's a kind of threshold around the age of 11 or 12 where it suddenley becomes very, very, very unhip to like boy band -style music. At least in this country, and at least for boys.<<<

  So true....I am in the Big Brother program. My little bro is 9, and already he is caught in this trap - WANTS to still like the Backstreet Boys, but at camp this year he was introduced to Kid Rock.  His mom managed to hold off that one, until his dumb uncle bought him the Kid Rock CD - dirty lyrics and all, effectively destroying a small part of the child inside of him.  It's sad really, because a kid 9 years old should not have to hear songs like "American BadA$$."  But he still loves Harry Potter, so there is hope yet!

  As for songs on the soundtrack, I was kind of hoping there won't be ANY pop songs in the movie itself, as I don't see how any pop music would fit the tone of the book to begin with. If pop music was mentioned in the book at all (in a similar fashion to the way Quidditch stars are given some recognition in GoF) then it might have been OK.  But it seems that wizards, as far as we know in the first book, don't have much in the way of music.

  I was hoping for a much more traditional soundtrack - more akin to Star Wars and such with a symphonic leaning, rather than a pop song thrown in just for the sake of having one.  I think having one over the closing credits would be ok, but that's about all.  

  --*Rob





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From warmsley at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 29 20:17:02 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:17:02 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Books on Tape - UK versions
Message-ID: <01c011f6$18330e00$f36a073e@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 503


-----Original Message-----
From: Yamile Emmanuel-Kelly <ymekelly at yahoo.com>
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Date: 29 August 2000 20:35
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Books on Tape - UK versions


Apparently there is a price difference between the two.  The
children's version is more expensive (34.19) then the adult
verison
(19.79)  BTW, can anyone tell me how much would that be in US
dollars?


>>

I think 1 british pound = between 1.5 and 2 american dollars, so
that's... either about $35 or about $60.

Which is a bit steep, really...

Jeremy/Peeves




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Tue Aug 29 20:23:16 2000
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina Gabbard)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:23:16 -0000
Subject: "I Capture the Castle" and other things to read...(despairingly Off Topic)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEIACAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <8oh63k+ek00@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 504

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> "The Changeover" by Margaret Mahy  (About New Zealand witches.  
Hard to find, but the source for two of the characters in 
Lori's "Paradigm of Uncertainty" fanfic)

I read this book in High School and in the midst of moving and 
unpacking and searching for something else to read I found it in one 
of the many boxes.  I dug it out to do a re-read on and I do 
recommend it!

Trina





From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Tue Aug 29 20:30:01 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 29 Aug 2000 13:30:01 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
Message-ID: <20000829203001.22174.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 505

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 20:36:46 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:36:46 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
References: <20000829203001.22174.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <00a801c011f8$d9eca4a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 506

I just discovered that sometimes the directors though stuff into the movie during the credits that those who leave wouldn't get.  (Lately, it's been bloopers)  For bad example.... The Movie Spiceworld had the spice girls mulling around the camera, and talking ooc to a few of the other actors.  I actually didn't recognize Richard O'Brian until then! because he played his part sooo well.

I copied it.  It's not the best movie in the world, but it is a fun romp when you need to laugh, and don't feel like working for it.

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: voicelady at mymailstation.com 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack


  On Tue, 29 August 2000, "Denise" wrote:

  > Or during the end credits, where everyone leaves the theatre anyway ('cept me!!!!)
  > 
  > Dee

  Me too!  My argument is that they all worked just as hard, if not harder than, the actors and director.  And it was during an end credit listing that I discovered probably one of the busiest and best Director of Photography - a man named Oliver Wood.


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From robusdin at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 21:04:00 2000
From: robusdin at hotmail.com (Rob Usdin)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:04:00 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
References: <20000829203001.22174.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> <00a801c011f8$d9eca4a0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <OE513HvoFOAmEaJswFC00000e7d@hotmail.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 507

>>I just discovered that sometimes the directors though stuff into the movie during the credits that those who leave wouldn't get.<<

At the end of "Ferris Bueller" (SPOILER SPACE FORE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN IT)




















fter all the credits pass -  Ferris comes back on the screen and says..."you're still here?  Well, go home!  Go HOME!"

Cute...  




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From nick at nicmit.com  Tue Aug 29 21:08:11 2000
From: nick at nicmit.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:08:11 +0100
Subject: Books on Tape - UK versions
Message-ID: <005d01c011fd$4042eda0$75977ed4@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 508

YMEK wrote:
>Apparently there is a price difference between the two.  The
children's version is more expensive (34.19) then the adult
verison (19.79)

You have to be very careful when looking at Amazon.co.uk for prices of these
things.  Amazon import the US version (the Dale version) as well as selling
the UK version (the Fry version).   Imported editions will cost more
generally.

Take Philosophers Stone, Audio Book for example:

Children's Edition
Tape:  19.79 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1855493942/
CD : 33.19 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1855496704/

Adult Edition
Tape: 19.79 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1855494981/

Jim Dale's version
Tape:  26.52 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0807281182/

So as you can see... for one story, there are 4 possible choices from
Amazon.co.uk
The difference in prices can be seen clearly... if it's on CD it's more
expensive.  If it's imported, it's more expensive.

Hope that clears that one up.

Nick.






From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 21:18:32 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:18:32 -0000
Subject: Hermione's teeth
Message-ID: <8oh9b8+hhvb@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 509

After sitting through another visit to the orthodontist, and thinking 
about how much I wish I was Hermione, and could fix my teeth w/ magic 
the strangest thought occured to me....

Hermione's parents might be non-existent in the stories but they are 
lurking somewhere.  I then thought about how Herm. fixed her teeth 
with magic in GoF, and it made me think that her parents probably 
have some resentment over that.  After all they have spent their 
whole lives trying to fix other people's teeth, everyday....Then 
their Daughter comes home and has had her problem fixed w/ magic 
instantly.  I think that if I was Herm.'s Mum et Dad I would really 
feel unimportant.

Now I ALMOST recall this being disscused before but what everyone 
said -I forgot...

Scott




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 21:45:51 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:45:51 -0000
Subject: Back to School Wishes for Alicia/ Sue Spinnet
Message-ID: <8ohauf+9ak1@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 510

So tomorrow you start back to school, I *know* you're 
excited.....Well at least I hope that you wont have to put up with 
two weeks of Grammar review, where half of you sophomore English 
Honors class doesn't know the difference between a noun and a 
verb....and that IS NOT a joke!!!

Well I really find myself lucky because for the most part I have good 
teachers.  First period is with Prof. Binns (and one really COULD die 
before he finishes a lecture...).  Then it's on to second w/ a ___ I 
can't seem to think of a Hogwarts comparsison for this one, (I mean 
that in a good way.)  Third period is with prof. Lupin (and how lucky 
can one get, I will have her for five classes before I graduate...). 
Wait, I'm not forgetting fourth, English, and another Prof Binns 
type...Where's Ebony when you need her???

Well best of luck in the new school year....

Scott




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 21:57:43 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:57:43 -0000
Subject: Weasley's House
In-Reply-To: <8oh06f+lvbd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ohbkn+qpr6@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 511

<<<That is a good question. I always imagined 2 floors. Unless I 
 really missed something. >>>
   
The way I've pictured it is rather haphazard, to the point of each 
floor running into the others.  The front door under a small gable, 
with a sloped roof, dormers smathered across the roof line and 
crowning it all a small curved stove-pipe chimney protruding at the 
top.


<<<Percy pokes his head out of "the second story window" to shout at 
everyone to keep down the noise (as he was working diligently on 
 his Cauldron thickness report).>>>

Remember the house, looks as though it is held up by magic, and I 
suspect it is...But that's just it- it is magic so the house could be 
5 storeys on the inside and only 2 or three  on the outside.....

Scott

 





From lrcjestes at msn.com  Tue Aug 29 21:58:47 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:58:47 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] OT -- PoU and ASA
References: <8oh2p7+go3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006301c01204$4ffb1cc0$3e41ddcf@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 512

>
> Also, Penny and Carole -- is there a set number of chapters for ASA?
> Or will it just be as long as it needs to be?  Would you say it would
> be better to read ASA before or after PoU?
>

Right now we have it slated for 13 chapters...that may expand or contract by
1 or 2 as we progress.  We are hard at work on chapter 7...but suffer
temporary writers block each time Lori issues a new chapter for a day or
two.

Definitely read through at least chapter 9 in PoU.  This was when we started
writing so its better to have at least up to that point before starting ASA.
Thanks for the interest.

carole






From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 22:02:09 2000
From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (Kaitlin M. Walsh)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: school...and a suggestion
Message-ID: <20000829220209.9915.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 513

Hey folks only one week left until I start school
(three days until I end work)...can't wait.  I have
five classes this semester:  Advertising/Copywriting,
Communication Theory, a Media Images seminar, intro to
German, and advanced Spanish studies.
I'm placing bets on how long I will go without writing
a paper about Harry Potter...I'm going for three
weeks.
Which leads me to this idea for a great piece of Harry
Potter merchandise.  They should come out with a HP
assignment book for students (could also work as a day
planner for us grownups/teachers).  To make it extra
authentic, they could have things like
"Transfiguration test, 3:00," "Quiddich vs. Ravenclaw
tonight," "Hermione's birthday," etc. written in on
different days.
Gotta go do laundry now.
~Kaitlin

=====
Thought for the day:
"If there is an Exit sign I always have to go into it because there might be a mattress in there and I can lie down on it and get some rest so I can carry on for Lords sake" 
~Eloise (charge it please and thank you very much)

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 22:09:02 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:09:02 -0400
Subject: The Dark is Rising 
References: <8ohauf+9ak1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00f901c01205$bdf72100$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 514

 Can anyone tell me more about this?  I just ran across it again in reviewing my posts?

*************
The Dark is Rising has a great Merlin/Dumbledore character in it by the way. 



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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 22:20:15 2000
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:20:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] The Dark is Rising 
Message-ID: <20000829222015.29399.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 515


--- Denise <gypsycaine at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Can anyone tell me more about this?  I just ran
> across it again in reviewing my posts?
> 
> *************
> The Dark is Rising has a great Merlin/Dumbledore
> character in it by the way. 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> What did you want to know?
> 


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From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 22:19:59 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:19:59 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising
In-Reply-To: <00f901c01205$bdf72100$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8ohcuf+2oj0@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 516

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Denise" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
>  Can anyone tell me more about this?  I just ran across it again in 
reviewing my posts?
> 
> *************
> The Dark is Rising has a great Merlin/Dumbledore character in it by 
the way. 

The Dark is Rising is the title of the second book in a series by 
Susan Cooper.  The books are:
Over Sea, Under Stone
The Dark is Rising
Greenwitch
The Grey King
Silver on the Tree

They are all excellent - I was re-reading 'Over Sea, Under Stone' 
just this morning.  The character in question is quite a lot like 
Dumbledore, he knows a lot more than anyone else and he lets the 
children go off on their own to solve their own problems, and, like 
Dumbledore, he gets revealed in all his power.  

Anyway, they're great books.

~Blaise.    




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 22:33:56 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:33:56 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising
In-Reply-To: <8ohcuf+2oj0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ohdok+jk9n@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 517

They are very good books and I really enjoyed "The Dark Rising" which 
I read for a school reading lists a few years ago.  I don't remember 
the plot exactly but it is about a boy, (about Harry's age) and about 
magic...I know who you are talking about as a Dumbledore character 
but I can't remember his name....

Scott
***********

> > The Dark is Rising has a great Merlin/Dumbledore character in it 
by 
> the way. 
> 
> The Dark is Rising is the title of the second book in a series by 
> Susan Cooper.  The books are:
> Over Sea, Under Stone
> The Dark is Rising
> Greenwitch
> The Grey King
> Silver on the Tree
> 
> They are all excellent - I was re-reading 'Over Sea, Under Stone' 
> just this morning.  The character in question is quite a lot like 
> Dumbledore, he knows a lot more than anyone else and he lets the 
> children go off on their own to solve their own problems, and, like 
> Dumbledore, he gets revealed in all his power.  
> 
> Anyway, they're great books.
> 
> ~Blaise.




From summers.65 at osu.edu  Tue Aug 29 23:57:14 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:57:14 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] OT -- PoU and ASA
Message-ID: <v02140b4eb5d1fa52c168@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 518

>Hello everyone,
>
>I'm not sure if I've posted yet on this group or not, I think I've
>mainly been trying to catch up on posts.  Ha!  Not making much
>headway, I'm constantly about two thousand behind.  And that's ~with~
>skimming.  Anyway, I know it's been decided to keep PoU and ASA posts
>on the appropriate site, but I just had a couple questions that are
>very general.  Lori -- am I correct in thinking PoU is going to be 15
>chapters?

You're correct.  Chapter 14 was posted just last night, and it concluded
the action part of the plot.  15 will be sort of an aftermath/wrapup
chapter.

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 00:35:46 2000
From: AliciaSpinnet at hotmail.com (Alicia/Sue Spinnet)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:35:46 -0000
Subject: Back to School Wishes for All! 
In-Reply-To: <8ohauf+9ak1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ohkt2+q2eh@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 519

Hello:

Gracias, Scott!  *The irony: I take French.*

> So tomorrow you start back to school, I *know* you're 
> excited.....

Watch me as I leap into the air with joy at the prospect of another 
year being dubbed "the brainy one", "the smart girl", and "the Misery 
Chick" (oh, how I would love to kill the person who wrote that 
line).  It's really a bit sad when your classes are a joke-- yet your 
GPA is the only one in the 10th grade that's *not* a prime number.

>Well at least I hope that you wont have to put up with 
> two weeks of Grammar review, where half of you sophomore English 
> Honors class doesn't know the difference between a noun and a 
> verb....and that IS NOT a joke!!!

I don't even have the luxury of Honors English!  *mutters about cheap 
school districts*  But I'm seriously doubting my classes' ability to 
differentiate between nouns and verbs.  AUUGH!
 
> Well I really find myself lucky because for the most part I have 
good 
> teachers.  First period is with Prof. Binns (and one really COULD 
die 
> before he finishes a lecture...).  Then it's on to second w/ a ___ 
I 
> can't seem to think of a Hogwarts comparsison for this one, (I mean 
> that in a good way.)  Third period is with prof. Lupin (and how 
lucky 
> can one get, I will have her for five classes before I 
graduate...). 
> Wait, I'm not forgetting fourth, English, and another Prof Binns 
> type...Where's Ebony when you need her???

First period is my grace period-- band, aka Chill Time; the conductor 
is much like Dumbledore.  However, I'm pretty sure that my Honors 
Biology class is going to be hell (my reputation for destroying 
Bunsen Burners precedes me with my school's answer to Snape), as will 
my Algebra 2 courseload (McGonagall).  I'm praying for a reprieve in 
Accelerated History (AKA "Where the Teacher Who Resembles Lupin Grabs 
All the Kids With Half a Brain and Puts Them in the Same Period")...
 
> Well best of luck in the new school year....

Same to you, Scott, and to everyone else facing the horrors of 
academia!
 
*
--Alicia/Sue "Aphrodite in Styrofoam" Spinnet

"You should be dumpster-diving for ham scraps, you six-piece Chicken 
McNobody!" --my best pal Matt Zimmerman

Last Movie Seen: "When Harry Met Sally"
Discman's Spinning: "Midnite Vultures", Beck
Current Book: "Summer Sisters", Judy Blume
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From gchua at spicerspaperasia.com  Wed Aug 30 00:38:40 2000
From: gchua at spicerspaperasia.com (Gen )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:38:40 -0000
Subject: Slytherin-- Crabbe and Goyle?
In-Reply-To: <8of16v+nofv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ohl2g+qvt3@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 520

Makes me also wonder why Neville, who goes to pieces in Snape's 
presence, could have been chosen for Gryffindor which selects 
the "bravest".

Also, Hermione seems to me more appropriate for the house of 
Ravenclaw which prizes intelligence.

Crabbe and Goyle's propensity for meaness must have made them 
suitable candidates for Slytherin. Or could it be something to do 
with their fathers being Death Eaters ?















--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Alicia/Sue Spinnet" 
<AliciaSpinnet at h...> wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> Quick Sorting question that came to me in the middle of an 
> excruciatingly exhausting FH practice this evening...
> 
> If Slytherin House is the house for cunning people who 'use any 
means 
> to achieve their ends', what are a couple of dunderheads like 
Crabbe 
> and Goyle doing in there?  There's the possibility that it just 
might 
> have been the one best suited for them, but it still seems a bit 
odd 
> that two boys who appear to have half the brains of a stegosaurus 
> between them are in a House for "cunning" people.
> 
> Just a thought. 
> 
> --Alicia/Sue "Trombonist From Hell" Spinnet




From warmsley at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 30 00:41:28 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:41:28 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Slytherin-- Crabbe and Goyle?
Message-ID: <01c0121b$08add1c0$7e5301d5@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 521

>Makes me also wonder why Neville, who goes to pieces in Snape's
>presence, could have been chosen for Gryffindor which selects
>the "bravest".
>
>Also, Hermione seems to me more appropriate for the house of
>Ravenclaw which prizes intelligence.
>
>Crabbe and Goyle's propensity for meaness must have made them
>suitable candidates for Slytherin. Or could it be something to
do
>with their fathers being Death Eaters ?
>


Suspect its got more to do with potential than what they're
actually like.
And it's not perfect - remember Peter?

Jeremy




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 01:03:51 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:03:51 -0000
Subject: Harry's Yearbook
Message-ID: <8ohmhn+n7kn@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 522

As my yearbook class begins the grueling job of produciing that "Look 
at what they wore 30 years ago HA HA HA!" Book a couple of questions 
were raised in my mind.  

1)Do they have Yearbooks in the UK? 
Ok, besides the fact that they, are treasured through the years, 
meaning that they look pretty on the shelf and are pulled out 
occasionally when one wants to insult the friends of those "good ol' 
days" (pretty cynical aren't I!) what is it REALLY good for?

2)Would Hogwarts have one?
If it did I can't even begin to describe the lengths I would go to to 
get that book!  Just think of the questions that could be 
anwsered....How many students there are for one!

If I have given the Impression that I dislike the yearbook that is 
not at all it.  I think that the Books are truely worth all of the 
hard and largely uncredited work. 

Scott

Now if only our YB advisor would let me put the Hogwarts crest on the 
cover...




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From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Wed Aug 30 02:13:36 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:13:36 -0500
Subject: Neville and Hermione in Gryffindor? (was Re: Slytherin-- Crabbe and  Goyle?)
References: <8ohl2g+qvt3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39AC6DD0.7F9BE021@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 524



Gen wrote:

>
> Makes me also wonder why Neville, who goes to pieces in Snape's
> presence, could have been chosen for Gryffindor which selects
> the "bravest".

Remember that it was Neville that put Gryffindor over the top the first
year.  Dumbledore awarded him the last five points needed to allow
Gryffindor to win the House Cup: "It takes courage to stand up to one's
enemies.  It takes even more to stand up to one's friends."  And what about
tha fact that he faithfully visits his parents on his holidays, as horrible
as the experience must be, and his quiet bearing of that pain of his
quasi-orphan state without ever complaining about it to his friends?
Neville IS brave--you just don't see it right away.

>
> Also, Hermione seems to me more appropriate for the house of
> Ravenclaw which prizes intelligence.

Hermione is also brave.  Here's a discussion from a Salon article, on this
point  specifically:

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2000/03/03/harry_potter/index2.html

(I wonder if Hufflepuff students ever have angst-y moments like this, i.e.:
"Oh god, do I REALLY belong in Hufflepuff?"

Somehow, I doubt it.)

Peg




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Wed Aug 30 02:14:36 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:14:36 -0000
Subject: The foggy future
In-Reply-To: <8oh2pu+le88@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ohqmc+abkd@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 525

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Steve Bates" <spicoli323 at h...> 
wrote:
> All this about fortunetellers reminds me of some thoughts I have 
had > for awhile on Professor Trelawney.  I personally don't think 
she is a > crackpot at all.  My reasoning is this.  It's been said 
time and time > again that fortunetelling is a very imprecise type of 
magic,

But if it's so imprecise that its not practical, then why study it at 
all.  Best to leave it undisturbed.

I don't think Trelawney is a crackpot because she doesn't appear to 
be a good psychic.  Its her fixation on bad things happening to 
people.  She has YET, to my knowledge, suggested that something good, 
or even decent, would happen to a person.  She was thrilled when Ron 
and Harry invented all sorts of horrors for their months of 
predictions and doesn't even seem to care whether they came true or 
not.

She comes across as having an attitude that "if its not bad, then its 
no fun at all."

She focuses on Harry for her bad tidings, but every student seems to 
come in for some of it.  Remember, she was disappointed when 
Harry "predicted" that Buckbeak would escape.  But Harry was right!  
(with a little help from Himself and Hermione.)

 and so I do think she's got a problem, even for an imprecise form of 
magic.

> future. I think Trelawney is very in touch with the universe.  This 
> connection with the universe is almost a religious experience for 
> her, a sort of meditation.  Her ability to see the future as a 
result > is only a side effect.

If she was just "airy fairy" I'd agree, but she's fixated on bad 
things.

> prophecies, but she is continually making smaller, vague 
predictions 
> that usually come roughly true.  Examples include Neville's teacup 
> and Lavender's rabbit.  As for Hermione leaving the class; she 
> obviously had some idea something of the sort was going to happen 
but > probably didn't know the specifics or the person involved.


_I_ could predict that "one of us would leave us forever" in a new 
elective class with a group of students.  The odds are very high that 
someone in the class would do something that fit that description.  
Hermione just happened to be the one.  Likewise, anyone who had heard 
of Neville could predict that he'd break at least one cup, and 
despite the fact that Professor Trelawney is supposed to spend a lot 
of time in her area, I suspect that she is kept informed by someone 
or somehow on all the students and who is who.  Remember, she didn't 
say that Neville would break it that day.  Lavender's rabbit shows a 
_slight_ tendency to be a true prediction, but again, almost anything 
could be considered to fit that vague prediction.  If they'd had 
steak and kidney pie for dinner and Lavender didn't like steak and 
kidney pie, she probably would have considered _that_ the "thing that 
you were dreading."


>She can't > see into the future precisely all the time.  But she has 
a hazy idea, > and that is the best we can expect of her in strictly 
practical > terms.

I stick to the idea that she can't really see into the future at all 
except for the two predictions referred to by Dumbledore.  I have an 
absolute belief in telepathy (though, IMO, the distribution is very 
very rare in the population) and a fairly strong belief in rare 
instances of precognition, but Professor Trelawney doesn't show any 
real evidence of being precognitive.  

As we've already discussed, no one in HP's universe shows any signs 
of being telepathic.

Vicki




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Wed Aug 30 01:59:35 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:59:35 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] The foggy future
References: <8oh2pu+le88@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39AC6A87.5F11E46E@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 526

Steve Bates wrote:

> All this about fortunetellers reminds me of some thoughts I have had
> for awhile on Professor Trelawney.

Ya know, I'm afraid I must totally disagree with your conclusions.

I read an article, can't remember where (probably among the articles in
those clusters of links I posted last night), about Professor Trelawny's
part in the books.

I think Trelawney is very in touch with the universe.

I don't.  In my opinion, Professor T. is a fraud, and an object of ridicule
for the author.

Dumbledore said that Trelawney had only ever made two correct
prophecies, but she is continually making smaller, vague predictions
that usually come roughly true.  Examples include Neville's teacup
and Lavender's rabbit.  As for Hermione leaving the class; she
obviously had some idea something of the sort was going to happen but
probably didn't know the specifics or the person involved.  She can't
see into the future precisely all the time.  But she has a hazy idea,
and that is the best we can expect of her in strictly practical
terms.

Yes, she has made two correct predictions, one of which Harry hears in GoF,
but she rather undercuts her own credibility, doesn't she, when she denies
ever making it?  And as for the other "lesser predictions" -- I really think
what's happening that she is making vague predictions which she then tries
to fit to specific events after the fact.  Lavender and Patil are impressed
by this; Hermione is not.  And I have to agree with Hermione.  Why, for
example, would Lavender have been dreading losing her rabbit when it was a
baby?

I wonder, frankly, what Prof. T's FIRST correction was, the one, presumably,
which persuaded Dumbledore to hire her in the first place (if it was
Dumbledore who hired her; he might have been saddled with her by a
predecessor). In addition, if Dumbledore did hire her, I wonder why he did
so, as I don't think that he's an advocate of determinism; i.e., the idea
that there is no free will--your fate rests in the stars, and that's it,
bud.  I think he's squarely on the side of free will: Dumbledore's line,
"Remember, Harry, it is our choices that determine us, rather than our
abilities" is one of the most important thematic moments of the series.  And
the rest of the staff doesn't seem to respect Prof. T. very much (Steve
noted Prof. McGonnagal's sniffy remark to Hermione that it's a VERY
imprecise branch of magic).

(Interestingly, there's another group in the series that have the same
orientation, the centaurs.
 Note that they irritate Hagrid ("Ruddy stargazers!") as much as Prof. T.
irritates Ron, Harry
 and Hermione. )

(Another note: I wonder what Snape thinks of Prof. T? He's such an enigma I
wonder if he would like or loathe the idea that his course is predestined.
I suspect he would loathe the idea.)

I think that Rowling is on the side of free will, as that philosophy is the
attitude of our hero
and is verbalized by Dumbledore, our moral touchpoint.  Harry is not "fated"
to be in Slytherin because he has made a CHOICE which puts him in
Gryffindor.  He and Hermione don't accept that Sirius and Buckbeak are
doomed; they instead go to extraordinary lengths to work against the
seemingly inevitable fate awaiting both of them.  Harry stands and faces
Lord Voldemort from behind the tombstone, determined to defend himself to
the last, rather than giving up because he has accepted Prof. T's doleful
predictions that he is doomed.

(I hear a Star Wars echo here: evil Darth Vadar urging to join the Dark Side
by intoning:
"Luke, it is your destiny." I think evil is frequently associated with
determinism, because it
makes such a great excuse for not doing the right thing: "War? Crime?
Poverty? House elf
enslavement? Sorry, can't do anything about it. It's inevitable.")

Anyway, I think Rowling is chewing over this theme quite a bit, and we're
going to see more exploration of this in the upcoming books.  I think,
rather than saying "it really won't help to know the future because the
knowledge one has of the future will change the future," Rowling is arguing,
"Your destiny is not a predetermined fate laid out for you which you must
passively accept.  It is your choices that MAKE your future."

Comments anyone? (Play the amuse-oneself speculation game: What WAS Prof.
T's first true
prophecy?)

Peg


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From vjmerri at iquest.net  Wed Aug 30 03:06:06 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:06:06 -0000
Subject: The foggy future
In-Reply-To: <39AC6A87.5F11E46E@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8ohtmu+esog@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 527

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:

> the rest of the staff doesn't seem to respect Prof. T. very much 
(Steve
> noted Prof. McGonnagal's sniffy remark to Hermione that it's a VERY
> imprecise branch of magic).

Professor McGonnagal showed that she had a sense of humor during the 
year 3 Christmas dinner.  After Trelawney goes through her, "I 
predicted myself having dinner with you" and "oh no, there are 13 at 
table"  Professor McGonnagal offers Professor Trelawney a bowl of 
food and says "tripe?"  Trelawney wasn't so "in tune with the 
universe" that she didn't notice the insult.

It was SO obvious, but I thought it was really funny anyway.

> (Interestingly, there's another group in the series that have the 
same > orientation, the centaurs.
>  Note that they irritate Hagrid ("Ruddy stargazers!") as much as 
Prof. T.> irritates Ron, Harry>  and Hermione. )

I hadn't thought about that.  It will be interesting to see what JKR 
does with the centaurs.  They have to show up again sometime, one 
would think.

> (Another note: I wonder what Snape thinks of Prof. T? He's such an 
enigma I
> wonder if he would like or loathe the idea that his course is 
predestined.
> I suspect he would loathe the idea.)

I suspect he agrees with Minerva.  "Tripe, anyone?"

Vicki




From mlleelizabeth at aol.com  Wed Aug 30 03:49:53 2000
From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com (mlleelizabeth at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:49:53 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] The foggy future
Message-ID: <90.90f9814.26ddde61@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 528

Comments from a tarot reader:

Surprise, surprise!

I think both Trelawney and the Centaurs are full of *it*.  (whatever "it" may 
be to you ).

I read tarot, but I do not believe that any tarot reader can predict the 
future.  I use tarot to help my querants understand and put in order their 
thoughts and discover the path they are traveling.  I do come up with 
outcomes - but they are "this is where you want to go" outcomes, not "this is 
what will happen to you" outcomes.

Trelawney takes herself too darned seriously, of course.  Except that - she 
also apparently channels (on very rare occasions and not by choice).  When 
she is receiving messages that may actually have some predictive value, I 
believe she's much like the guy in 3rd Rock from the Sun who is along with 
the rest because he's got a "thing" in his head and receives messages from 
the Big Giant Head.

She's not getting it right because she's "attuned" or whatever she would call 
it - she's just being used by higher powers.

JKR seems to have what I believe is an appropriate skeptisms regarding 
fortune tellers.  

Love & Light,
Elizabeth



From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 04:16:40 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:16:40 -0000
Subject: The foggy future
In-Reply-To: <90.90f9814.26ddde61@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8oi1r8+chk9@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 529

Interesting to see that more people disagreed with me than I 
expected.  But I haven't changed my mind: I have said that 
Trelawney's gift isn't of much practical use, anyway, which pretty 
much goes with what everyone else says.  But I think she has 
*something* even if I can't describe what it is or its limits.  I 
know her predictions are almost always vague, but that is how the 
future might look like to someone who could see it.  Since we brought 
up Star Wars; remember that the Force can allow a Jedi to see into 
the futute, but "always changing it is."  So Trelawney probably sees 
things, but not all of them come true--people's choices come into 
play and change what she originally saw.  Still, I think there is 
more to it than guesswork.  The prediction of Lavender's rabbit's 
death and Hermione's leaving the class, taken together, are hard to 
explain away.  She made a pretty approximation of the time Hermione 
left, and she even got the exact date of right in Lavender's case.  
Sure, Lavender might not have been exactly "dreading" the rabbit's 
death; but the fact that a tragedy occurred at all on October 16th is 
pretty good evidence that Trelawney was doing some fortunetelling, 
hazy as it may be.
I do agree 100% that Trelawney is too negative; I notice that none of 
her predictions are positive.  Maybe she can see the bad things and 
not the good?
Why is Trelawney's class worth anything if it is not useful?  Just 
because it can't be put to immediate practical use doesn't mean it's 
not important for an educated wizard to understand the basics of 
fortunetelling.  Whether Dumbledore hired Trelawney or not, he 
wouldn't keep her on if he didn't have a good reason.  He apparently 
thinks the students need to know something about divination, and that 
Trelawney does an acceptable job.  
By the way, I don't think fate and free will are mutually exclusive.

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, mlleelizabeth at a... wrote:
> Comments from a tarot reader:
> 
> Surprise, surprise!
> 
> I think both Trelawney and the Centaurs are full of *it*.  
(whatever "it" may 
> be to you ).
> 
> I read tarot, but I do not believe that any tarot reader can 
predict the 
> future.  I use tarot to help my querants understand and put in 
order their 
> thoughts and discover the path they are traveling.  I do come up 
with 
> outcomes - but they are "this is where you want to go" outcomes, 
not "this is 
> what will happen to you" outcomes.
> 
> Trelawney takes herself too darned seriously, of course.  Except 
that - she 
> also apparently channels (on very rare occasions and not by 
choice).  When 
> she is receiving messages that may actually have some predictive 
value, I 
> believe she's much like the guy in 3rd Rock from the Sun who is 
along with 
> the rest because he's got a "thing" in his head and receives 
messages from 
> the Big Giant Head.
> 
> She's not getting it right because she's "attuned" or whatever she 
would call 
> it - she's just being used by higher powers.
> 
> JKR seems to have what I believe is an appropriate skeptisms 
regarding 
> fortune tellers.  
> 
> Love & Light,
> Elizabeth




From summers.65 at osu.edu  Wed Aug 30 05:30:16 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:30:16 -0500
Subject: British question
Message-ID: <v02140b5eb5d2493a4b78@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 530


For our British friends...

Do you use the word "alum" to describe people who've graduated from various
colleges or universities?

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggina and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 04:53:04 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:53:04 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] The foggy future
References: <90.90f9814.26ddde61@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003001c0123e$2ee97ce0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 531

Elizabeth, 
I too do tarot readings (still learning, for the last 8 years...  it's not the time, but the knowledge that makes me call myself novice!) and your theories make perfect sense.  I also study Astrology.  Yes, I do believe that my Jupiter hanging so close to my Virgo makes me excess in alot of things (like posting, Neil do you too have this trait? LOL) but I really don't think that 

1.  She's doing it right!  The first thing I was taught was to never never be negative, even if the tower turns up.  The cards are a warning, but not a death-sentence.  Nothing is in stone.

2.  I think that those little predictions are like a type of "deja vu" type thing I do on occasion.  A friend dials up, tells me she lost her cigarettes, and I ask if she looked in the right side of her favorite chair.  She finds them there.  I don't know if it was a lucky guess or I was on-beam with that.  I do things like this often enough, tho.  I was there when my ex-sister-in-law met a man, and I turned to Barry and said, he is the one, knowing nothing about him.  They will be married this October, after 5 years relationship.  I call those type KNOWing.  Perhaps Mdm T is the same way (teacup, etc...).

I just can't stand her methods....  Harry should die at least once daily, if she 's right!

Sighs.
Dee

Wondering if this post makes sense, or she has had too much elderberry wine to celebrate her birthday?


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] The foggy future



       
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  Comments from a tarot reader:

  Surprise, surprise!

  I think both Trelawney and the Centaurs are full of *it*.  (whatever "it" may 
  be to you ).

  I read tarot, but I do not believe that any tarot reader can predict the 
  future.  I use tarot to help my querants understand and put in order their 
  thoughts and discover the path they are traveling.  I do come up with 
  outcomes - but they are "this is where you want to go" outcomes, not "this is 
  what will happen to you" outcomes.

  Trelawney takes herself too darned seriously, of course.  Except that - she 
  also apparently channels (on very rare occasions and not by choice).  When 
  she is receiving messages that may actually have some predictive value, I 
  believe she's much like the guy in 3rd Rock from the Sun who is along with 
  the rest because he's got a "thing" in his head and receives messages from 
  the Big Giant Head.

  She's not getting it right because she's "attuned" or whatever she would call 
  it - she's just being used by higher powers.

  JKR seems to have what I believe is an appropriate skeptisms regarding 
  fortune tellers.  

  Love & Light,
  Elizabeth

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From mlleelizabeth at aol.com  Wed Aug 30 05:27:55 2000
From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com (mlleelizabeth at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:27:55 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] The foggy future
Message-ID: <79.8fbc684.26ddf55b@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 532

***spooky music***
Madame Liz predicts that Denise is slightly tipsy from birthday wine!

Happy Birthday!

In a message dated 8/29/2000 10:57:24 PM CST, gypsycaine at yahoo.com writes:

>it's not the time, but the knowledge that makes me call myself novice!) and 
your theories make perfect sense.>>

same here - I've got *lots* to learn!

 << 1.  She's doing it right!  The first thing I was taught was to never 
never be negative, even if the tower turns up.  The cards are a warning, but 
not a death-sentence.  Nothing is in stone.>>

Who's doing it right? Trelawney?  Goddess, I hope not!  Eeek!  I always, 
always, always find an opportunity for growth in readings.  Why the heck else 
bother with them!   I like the Tower - to me it means clearing away false 
beliefs/foundations and gives an opportunity for a nice, clean, start.
 
 <<2.  I think that those little predictions are like a type of "deja vu" 
type thing I do on occasion.  A friend dials up, tells me she lost her 
cigarettes, and I ask if she looked in the right side of her favorite chair.  
She finds them there.  I don't know if it was a lucky guess or I was on-beam 
with that.  I do things like this often enough, tho.  I was there when my 
ex-sister-in-law met a man, and I turned to Barry and said, he is the one, 
knowing nothing about him.  They will be married this October, after 5 years 
relationship.  I call those type KNOWing.  Perhaps Mdm T is the same way 
(teacup, etc...).>>

*Knowing* is a great way to put it!  And a lot of that knowing is actually 
just being observant.  You know where the ciggies are most likely to have 
fallen.  Madame T knows Neville is a clutz.  I "know" where my friend's car 
title is cause I know where she stuffs important papers.  I don't know this 
overtly, and you probably don't either, but you can tap into your 
subconscious and deduce where someone put whatever.  By the same token your 
subconscious told you ex-sis-in-law met her "one."

Not that I don't believe in divine help, or the supernatural.  I've got the 
spirit of a 15th Century Englishman hanging out in my home....
 
<< I just can't stand her methods....  Harry should die at least once daily, 
if she 's right!>>

Yep.. thank goodness she's not right!

The readers JKR encountered before writing these books must have been the 
awful, commercial, rip-off-the-believers type!  I'm glad she was smart enough 
to blow them off!
 
<< Sighs.
 Dee
 
 Wondering if this post makes sense, or she has had too much elderberry wine 
to celebrate her birthday? >>
Again, Happy B-day Dee.  What does elderberry wine taste like? your sun's in 
virgo?  where's your moon and ascendant???

Love & Light,
*E*l*i*z*a*b*e*t*h*



From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 05:46:22 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:46:22 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] The foggy future
References: <79.8fbc684.26ddf55b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007301c01245$a0fdb9c0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 533

Sorry...  I meant you for point #1!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] The foggy future



       
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  ***spooky music***
  Madame Liz predicts that Denise is slightly tipsy from birthday wine!

  Happy Birthday!

  In a message dated 8/29/2000 10:57:24 PM CST, gypsycaine at yahoo.com writes:

  >it's not the time, but the knowledge that makes me call myself novice!) and 
  your theories make perfect sense.>>

  same here - I've got *lots* to learn!

  << 1.  She's doing it right!  The first thing I was taught was to never 
  never be negative, even if the tower turns up.  The cards are a warning, but 
  not a death-sentence.  Nothing is in stone.>>

  Who's doing it right? Trelawney?  Goddess, I hope not!  Eeek!  I always, 
  always, always find an opportunity for growth in readings.  Why the heck else 
  bother with them!   I like the Tower - to me it means clearing away false 
  beliefs/foundations and gives an opportunity for a nice, clean, start.

  <<2.  I think that those little predictions are like a type of "deja vu" 
  type thing I do on occasion.  A friend dials up, tells me she lost her 
  cigarettes, and I ask if she looked in the right side of her favorite chair.  
  She finds them there.  I don't know if it was a lucky guess or I was on-beam 
  with that.  I do things like this often enough, tho.  I was there when my 
  ex-sister-in-law met a man, and I turned to Barry and said, he is the one, 
  knowing nothing about him.  They will be married this October, after 5 years 
  relationship.  I call those type KNOWing.  Perhaps Mdm T is the same way 
  (teacup, etc...).>>

  *Knowing* is a great way to put it!  And a lot of that knowing is actually 
  just being observant.  You know where the ciggies are most likely to have 
  fallen.  Madame T knows Neville is a clutz.  I "know" where my friend's car 
  title is cause I know where she stuffs important papers.  I don't know this 
  overtly, and you probably don't either, but you can tap into your 
  subconscious and deduce where someone put whatever.  By the same token your 
  subconscious told you ex-sis-in-law met her "one."

  Not that I don't believe in divine help, or the supernatural.  I've got the 
  spirit of a 15th Century Englishman hanging out in my home....

  << I just can't stand her methods....  Harry should die at least once daily, 
  if she 's right!>>

  Yep.. thank goodness she's not right!

  The readers JKR encountered before writing these books must have been the 
  awful, commercial, rip-off-the-believers type!  I'm glad she was smart enough 
  to blow them off!

  << Sighs.
  Dee

  Wondering if this post makes sense, or she has had too much elderberry wine 
  to celebrate her birthday? >>
  Again, Happy B-day Dee.  What does elderberry wine taste like? your sun's in 
  virgo?  where's your moon and ascendant???

  Love & Light,
  *E*l*i*z*a*b*e*t*h*

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From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 06:10:53 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:10:53 -0000
Subject: PoU
In-Reply-To: <02a701c010bc$c9cb16c0$0100000a@joywelan>
Message-ID: <8oi8hd+v3pm@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 534

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "- Joy -" <joy0823 at e...> wrote:

> 1.  Is Justin gay?  I'm not sure if the slang has the same meaning 
> in Britain, but where I come from "playing for the other team" has 
> that connotation.

Thank you for asking that question on this list! I was wondering 
the same thing (I don't even know that idiom in American), but didn't 
want to have to join yet another e-group to find out! 




From brooksar at indy.net  Wed Aug 30 06:12:24 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:12:24 -0000
Subject: The foggy future
In-Reply-To: <8ohqmc+abkd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oi8k8+lc54@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 535

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Vicki Merriman" <vjmerri at i...> 
wrote:

> But if it's so imprecise that its not practical, then why study it
at 
> all.  Best to leave it undisturbed.

I suggest three reasons, which are not mutually exclusive, either.

Reason I: The MoM / Board of Governors of Hogwarts requires it be on 
the curriculum.  Trelawney was the only applicant.  After all, DADA 
must fall in the same category, and they have a succession of 'only 
applicants; and Trelawny is probably no more useless a divination 
teacher than Quirrell was a DADA teacher even BEFORE he was possessed.

Reason II:  Dumbledore is content with it because the more observant 
students will figure out what a load of hooey Divination usually is; 
and the less observant ones may someday figure that out too and feel 
more ashamed of themselves for not figuring it out sooner, which will 
also be a good object lesson.

Reason III:  Lots of schools have courses in what can charitably 
described as subjects which are hooey.  Some people can construct
whole 
graduate courses out of "contemplating the whichness of what", to
quote 
Heinlein.  Sometimes courses even in things popularly considered to
be 
sciences are in fact not truly sciences -by the definition, science
is 
supposed to be about hypotheses which are tested by repeatable, 
controlled, experiments.  But some things we call science really 
consist of nothing more than observations, because it is not feasible 
to actually create and carry out a repeatable controlled experiment.  
Economics, for example.  Of course, this also applies to
astronomy.... 
and there are some things we should be grateful are not amenable to 
repeateable controlled experiments, such as cosmology!  (Destroy the 
universe and recreate it to see if it comes out the same next
time....)





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 07:02:38 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:02:38 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: The foggy future
References: <8oi8k8+lc54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002301c01250$48a30220$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 536

This could apply to my course at Akron U, Physics of Light, where we had to blow soap bubbles and then write a paper about how the light was refracted through them....  Imagine my roommates'  horror when they looked at what I was doing, blowing bubbles in the middle of winter in the backyard, in an Ohio snowfall!

:P
Dee
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  From: Brooks R 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:12 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: The foggy future



       
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  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Vicki Merriman" <vjmerri at i...> 
  wrote:

  > But if it's so imprecise that its not practical, then why study it
  at 
  > all.  Best to leave it undisturbed.

  I suggest three reasons, which are not mutually exclusive, either.

  Reason I: The MoM / Board of Governors of Hogwarts requires it be on 
  the curriculum.  Trelawney was the only applicant.  After all, DADA 
  must fall in the same category, and they have a succession of 'only 
  applicants; and Trelawny is probably no more useless a divination 
  teacher than Quirrell was a DADA teacher even BEFORE he was possessed.

  Reason II:  Dumbledore is content with it because the more observant 
  students will figure out what a load of hooey Divination usually is; 
  and the less observant ones may someday figure that out too and feel 
  more ashamed of themselves for not figuring it out sooner, which will 
  also be a good object lesson.

  Reason III:  Lots of schools have courses in what can charitably 
  described as subjects which are hooey.  Some people can construct
  whole 
  graduate courses out of "contemplating the whichness of what", to
  quote 
  Heinlein.  Sometimes courses even in things popularly considered to
  be 
  sciences are in fact not truly sciences -by the definition, science
  is 
  supposed to be about hypotheses which are tested by repeatable, 
  controlled, experiments.  But some things we call science really 
  consist of nothing more than observations, because it is not feasible 
  to actually create and carry out a repeatable controlled experiment.  
  Economics, for example.  Of course, this also applies to
  astronomy.... 
  and there are some things we should be grateful are not amenable to 
  repeateable controlled experiments, such as cosmology!  (Destroy the 
  universe and recreate it to see if it comes out the same next
  time....)



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From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 07:34:10 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:34:10 -0000
Subject: Genetics and Wizarding Ablilty; was Wizard Contraception
In-Reply-To: <8oeadu+2un3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oiddi+cdvk@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 537

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, nlpnt at y... wrote:

> the offspring of a wizard and a Muggle is nearly always a wizard; 

Have we seen anyone examples of the child of a wizard father and 
Muggle mother? TMR and Seamus are both offspring of a witch mother 
and Muggle father, so I'm wondering if it is inherited 
matrilineally, which would correlate with what someone said 
about a fetus developing in the presence of magic being more 
likely to turn out a wizard/witch.




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 07:44:04 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:44:04 -0000
Subject: Chapter 8 Summary: The Quidditch World Cup
In-Reply-To: <8oepkc+m6o8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oie04+7ctl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 538

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jen Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:

> Finally, in a desperation move to save some semblance of his pride,
> Krum captures the snitch, even though Bulgaria is down by 160 
> points and it's not going to win them the game

We don't KNOW that it's his pride (we don't know at all WHY), it's 
just that Harry stated that it was his pride. 

> What do you think of Fudge's relationship with the Malfoys?

I'm a naive fool who expects everything to be as it appears. Fudge 
is such an idiot that he snobbishly believes that rich and high-class 
people like the Malfoys couldn't possibly have been Death Eaters 
voluntarily (Lucius had got off by claiming that he had been 
bewitched) and he also sucks up to them to get some of their wealth 
(for good causes like the hospital: we haven't heard of election 
campaigns requiring campaign contributions. 





From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 07:47:17 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:47:17 -0000
Subject: Character summary: Ludovic Bagman
In-Reply-To: <8oeqcc+pflr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oie65+rc3a@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 539

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jen Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:

> Harry discovers through Dumbledore's penseive 
> that Bagman was accused of being a spy and a Death Eater - but was 
> acquitted, essentially because he was a famous quidditch player.

We know from Ron's adulation of Viktor Krum, best Seeker, that Krum 
could have got away with as much shit as Bagman. It seems to me a 
point in Krum's favor that he doesn't try to take advantage of his 
athletic fame.





From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 07:52:31 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:52:31 -0000
Subject: Dahl and HP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <39AB0EDD.2EA85F55@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <8oiefv+59n5@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 540

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, heidi wrote:


> My husband is firmly convinved that James Potter is the grown up 
> version of James of the Giant Peach, and that's why Harry has no
>  grandparents (or great-aunts!) on his father's side.

I was just wondering this afternoon why Harry has no grandparents on 
his mother's side. Did Petunia murder her parents for saying that her 
little baby was too fat?

One of my few happy memories from elementary school is a third grade 
teacher who read aloud to us from JAMES AND THE GIANT PEACH each 
afternoon. She was able to get us to behave by threatening to 
deprive us of the daiy reading. One day we had a substitute, and we 
all told the substitute so firmly that she must read the day's 
excerpt to us that she did. But she was so bad at reading aloud, at 
least compared to our regular teacher, that we told our regular 
teacher just to pick up where she had left off before going sick.




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 07:55:00 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:55:00 -0000
Subject: Summoning Charm
Message-ID: <8oiekk+fok@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 541

Would the Summoning Charm work to re-capture the Golden Snitch in 
order to put it away when the practise has to end because it's time 
for class?

Are there also Silver, Bronze, and Tin Snitches?




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 07:59:33 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:59:33 -0000
Subject: Voldemort and the "Tin Woodman Paradox" (was: Nagini/basilisk/snake ramblings)
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000827135835.00ceb150@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <8oiet5+2eho@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 542

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Dave Hardenbrook wrote:
> (I call this the "Tin Woodman Paradox", because a similar problem
> exists in the Oz books when the Tin Woodman encounters his own
> severed head and has a conversation with it -- If his tin self and
> flesh self are both still sentient, then which of them is *really*
> the original guy?)

Oz is heavy into questions/paradoxes of identity: Martin Gardner 
wrote an essay about it.

In HP, the paradox I keep brooding about is, when they Transfigure 
teacups into rats and teapouts into tortoises, are they creating a 
life, and when they Transfigure mice in snuffboxes and hedgehogs 
into pincushions, are they destroying a life?




From Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk  Wed Aug 30 08:45:10 2000
From: Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk (Pam Scruton)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:45:10 -0000
Subject: British question
In-Reply-To: <v02140b5eb5d2493a4b78@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8oihim+3occ@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 543

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:
> 
> For our British friends...
> 
> Do you use the word "alum" to describe people who've graduated from 
various
> colleges or universities?
> 
> Lori

I've seen the words alumnus and alumnae used (no idea of the 
classical derivation but it looks a bit odd to me) but not 
invariably - usually referring to graduates of higher education 
establishments (that is post-18) but not usually to schools except, 
as one of my acquaintance described 'pretentious Americanism'  was 
used when the local newspaper referred to an alumnus of a local 
primary school having achieved some exalted rank in the Navy.  

Personally I'm not into merkin-bashing and I think he meant that it 
was pretentious to use the Americanism rather than it was an ism of 
pretentious Americans.  

One of our local secondary schools has got into the habit of holding 
a 'graduation ball' but I don't know if they hold a 'graduation 
ceremony' - the other schools call it a 'leavers' dance' and hold 
a 'leavers ceremony'.  In Britain to describe yourself as 
a 'graduate' implies that you have a degree from a recognised higher 
academic institution - there have been court cases where people have 
been found guilty of misrepresentation by claiming to be a 'graduate' 
at job interviews and then it is found that they have only ever 
graduated from a secondary school and that was at the age of 16 and 
somewhat less than summa cum laude (or whatever)!

Divided by a common language etc. etc. etc

Pam




From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 30 09:41:01 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:41:01 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: British question
References: <8oihim+3occ@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006001c01266$6a7090a0$fc9e01d5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 544


----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Scruton <Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:45 AM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: British question


>
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:
> >
> > For our British friends...
> >
> > Do you use the word "alum" to describe people who've graduated from
> various
> > colleges or universities?
> >
> > Lori

To jump in on Pam's comment, alumni is usually just used to describe
graduates from Universities, in my experience.  Although a lot of schools
hold farewell/graduation/prom dances for their students and have
prizegivings/certificate givings, we don't have a graduation ceremony, or
dress up in cap and gown for leaving school (as in High School) -
technically, of course, we are alumni, but we don't use that word - we're
normally referred to as 'Old...' ie an old boy, an old girl, or in my
particular case, an Old Bexleian.

In fact, as a general rule, ex-students of Higher Education don't refer to
themselves as alumni, either - usually it's the Powers That Be at your
educational institution who will call you that - I remember being amazed to
find out that there was an actual term for a student who had completed their
studies but hadn't had the official handshake yet.  However, to ramble on,
if you were talking about ex-students of Hogwarts, I reckon alumni would be
fine - it sounds exactly right, very Dumbledore, and with all the Latin
etymology and names floating around the school anyway, alumni should fit
right in...just remember it's men who are alumni and (pl.) alumnus, and if
you're tallking specifically about women it's alumna and (pl.) alumnae.

Alix




From particle at urbanet.ch  Wed Aug 30 09:55:03 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:55:03 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: British question
References: <8oihim+3occ@eGroups.com> <006001c01266$6a7090a0$fc9e01d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006d01c01268$5eabf3c0$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 545

<However, to ramble on,
if you were talking about ex-students of Hogwarts, I reckon alumni would be
fine - it sounds exactly right, very Dumbledore, and with all the Latin
etymology and names floating around the school anyway, alumni should fit
right in...just remember it's men who are alumni and (pl.) alumnus, and if
you're tallking specifically about women it's alumna and (pl.) alumnae.>

Er, you mized up the singular and the plural for men. One alumnus, two alumni.

~Firebolt



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From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 30 09:56:40 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:56:40 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Harry's Yearbook
References: <8ohmhn+n7kn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c01268$9958b440$fc9e01d5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 546


----- Original Message -----
From: Scott <harry_potter00 at yahoo.com>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:03 AM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Harry's Yearbook


>
> As my yearbook class begins the grueling job of produciing that "Look
> at what they wore 30 years ago HA HA HA!" Book a couple of questions
> were raised in my mind.
>
> 1)Do they have Yearbooks in the UK?

It's not a time honoured institution like it is in the US, if that's what
you mean - I think  a few schools might publish them, but IME they tend to
be trendy and progressive - so there was never a chance that my school would
have one.  However, a lot of people do their own ie get a nice, blank book,
get everyone to sign it, and take pictures to add to it later on, which is
what I did.  Another time honoured tradition is signing each other's school
uniform shirts.

> 2)Would Hogwarts have one?

Probably not, would be my guess.

Alix





From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 30 09:59:46 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:59:46 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: British question
References: <8oihim+3occ@eGroups.com> <006001c01266$6a7090a0$fc9e01d5@oemcomputer> <006d01c01268$5eabf3c0$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>
Message-ID: <00de01c01269$07df13a0$fc9e01d5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 547


----- Original Message -----
From: Firebolt <particle at urbanet.ch>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: British question


>
> <However, to ramble on,
> if you were talking about ex-students of Hogwarts, I reckon alumni would
be
> fine - it sounds exactly right, very Dumbledore, and with all the Latin
> etymology and names floating around the school anyway, alumni should fit
> right in...just remember it's men who are alumni and (pl.) alumnus, and if
> you're tallking specifically about women it's alumna and (pl.) alumnae.>
>
> Er, you mized up the singular and the plural for men. One alumnus, two
alumni.

Dang, noticed this after I sent it - hoped everyone would either know or
realise from the rest of the usage in my post which was the right way round.

My bad!

Alix




From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 10:04:46 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:04:46 -0000
Subject: The foggy future
In-Reply-To: <39AC6A87.5F11E46E@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8oim7u+j7bj@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 548

Peg wrote:  

<<I wonder, frankly, what Prof. T's FIRST correction was, the one, 
presumably, which persuaded Dumbledore to hire her in the first place 
(if it was Dumbledore who hired her; he might have been saddled with 
her by a predecessor).>>

I used to wonder whether it was her 'the first to leave the table 
will be the first to die' warning at Christmas, but on consideration, 
that sounds more like one of her morbid shots into the dark.  I do 
have a suspicion that her prediction concerns the Potters.  Perhaps 
she predicted that they would have a special child?  For Dumbledore 
to know that it is a true prediction, I would deduce that it's 
already happened by the time he mentions it, so it can't be that 
Harry will completely destroy Voldemort.  I have vague memories of 
reading somewhere that JKR says it will be important in later 
stories.  

<<(Interestingly, there's another group in the series that have the 
same orientation, the centaurs.  Note that they irritate Hagrid 
("Ruddy stargazers!") as much as Prof. T. irritates Ron, Harry and 
Hermione.)>>

The centaurs seem to contrast a little with the impression JKR leaves 
us that prediction and divination are usually a load of rubbish.  The 
centaurs may be unwilling to share their knowledge, but they were 
much more positive than Trelawney.  There is no indication that the 
centaurs are fraudulent or pretentious.  Hagrid also says that 'they 
know things ... jus' don' let on much,' and I don't think he believes 
that they're liars, just that they're not much use to him.     

However, I would note that the centaur who is most positively 
portrayed is Firenze, who decides to set himself against the stars, 
and uses his knowledge to change what he has read in the stars, 
although he gets into trouble for it.

The centaurs seem to believe firmly that the future is written in the 
stars, and they allow for the possibility that they are wrong.  'The 
planets have been read wrongly before, even by centaurs.  I hope this 
is one of those times.'  

Their portrayal contrasts with that of Trelawney, as they are not the 
objects of ridicule, but it seems that JKR sees them as equally 
unhelpful.  In the end she still supports her theme of free will.    

<<(Another note: I wonder what Snape thinks of Prof. T? He's such an 
enigma I wonder if he would like or loathe the idea that his course 
is predestined. I suspect he would loathe the idea.)>>

I'm pretty sure that Snape would detest Prof. T.  He's pretty much a 
stickler for accuracy - look at how he demands perfection from his 
students.  Anything as wooly and inaccurate as Divination would rouse 
his anger.  He doesn't seem to have any personal enmity towards her, 
but I can't imagine him liking her or her methods.  I don't even 
think he would enjoy her doom-and-gloom predictions.  

~Blaise.  






From gchua at spicerspaperasia.com  Wed Aug 30 10:10:58 2000
From: gchua at spicerspaperasia.com (Gen )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:10:58 -0000
Subject: Ghost Query
Message-ID: <8oimji+1etv@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 549

I posted this message in the other website a few days ago. Wonder if 
anyone can help answer this question: Is the Grey Lady the Ravenclaw 
resident ghost ? I read this somewhere but don't recall seeing this 
mentioned in any of the books.Anyone able to confirm this ?

Thanks
Gen






From particle at urbanet.ch  Wed Aug 30 11:07:09 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:07:09 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Ghost Query
References: <8oimji+1etv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c01272$71a6c360$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 550

Yes, she is - JK Rowling said so at a book signing, I think. 

Why am I always posting one-liners?

~Firebolt
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  From: Gen 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:10 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Ghost Query



       
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  I posted this message in the other website a few days ago. Wonder if 
  anyone can help answer this question: Is the Grey Lady the Ravenclaw 
  resident ghost ? I read this somewhere but don't recall seeing this 
  mentioned in any of the books.Anyone able to confirm this ?

  Thanks
  Gen




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From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Wed Aug 30 11:23:23 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:23:23 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Harry's Yearbook
References: <8ohmhn+n7kn@eGroups.com> <00d501c01268$9958b440$fc9e01d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <39ACEEAA.13DA7259@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 551



Alix Petty wrote:>

> > 1)Do they have Yearbooks in the UK?
>
> It's not a time honoured institution like it is in the US, if that's what
> you mean - I think  a few schools might publish them <snip>
>
> > 2)Would Hogwarts have one?
>
> Probably not, would be my guess.

Oh, what a disappointment!  Think what fun the moving pictures would be!  Open
your yearbook, and there's a picture of Neville upsetting his cauldron in
potions, or Minerva turning herself into a cat in Transfigurations, or Harry
catching the snitch with a stupendous dive.

Much more fun than muggle yearbooks.

Peg




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Wed Aug 30 11:33:45 2000
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:33:45 -0500
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages
Message-ID: <39ACF119.ADCAE085@ibm.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 552

Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I'm new here.  For about 3/4
of the messages I've sent to the list, I get a bounce back message
entitled:  "HANDY-DAEMON: Quota exceeded."  The message consists of a
lot of gobbledy-gook at the front, and then my own message that I've
just sent.  As best as I can tell, my messages are being successfully
sent and posted.  So why am I getting these Daemon messages?  So far
I've been simply deleting them, but is there anything else I should do?

Peg

P.S. OT: Anyone ever read the science fiction _Head Crash_, by Bruce
Bethke?  Recommended expecially for computer wizards, as well as anyone
with a well-developed sense of the ridiculous.  Our hero is a nerd in
Megalithic Corporation IT support. Among various other adventures, I
believe that at one point an e-mail daemen showed up that was actually a
demon. (Bruce Bethke is the man who coined the word "cyberpunk.")




From particle at urbanet.ch  Wed Aug 30 12:04:35 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:04:35 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Technical question: Daemon messages
References: <39ACF119.ADCAE085@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <00b801c0127a$77715500$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 553

Well, I don't have an answer to that - this is just to say that I'm having the exact same problem. Yay, it's not just me.

~Firebolt, who is eternally cursed to write one-liners
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peg Kerr 
  To: HPforGrownups 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:33 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Technical question: Daemon messages



       
       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I'm new here.  For about 3/4
  of the messages I've sent to the list, I get a bounce back message
  entitled:  "HANDY-DAEMON: Quota exceeded."  The message consists of a
  lot of gobbledy-gook at the front, and then my own message that I've
  just sent.  As best as I can tell, my messages are being successfully
  sent and posted.  So why am I getting these Daemon messages?  So far
  I've been simply deleting them, but is there anything else I should do?

  Peg

  P.S. OT: Anyone ever read the science fiction _Head Crash_, by Bruce
  Bethke?  Recommended expecially for computer wizards, as well as anyone
  with a well-developed sense of the ridiculous.  Our hero is a nerd in
  Megalithic Corporation IT support. Among various other adventures, I
  believe that at one point an e-mail daemen showed up that was actually a
  demon. (Bruce Bethke is the man who coined the word "cyberpunk.")


  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com






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From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 12:17:55 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:17:55 -0000
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages
In-Reply-To: <39ACF119.ADCAE085@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8oiu1j+n6mr@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 554

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
<<Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I'm new here.  For 
about 3/4 of the messages I've sent to the list, I get a bounce back 
message entitled:  "HANDY-DAEMON: Quota exceeded."  The message 
consists of a lot of gobbledy-gook at the front, and then my own 
message that I've just sent.  As best as I can tell, my messages are 
being successfully sent and posted.  So why am I getting these Daemon 
messages?  So farI've been simply deleting them, but is there 
anything else I should do?

Peg>>

Well, I've just received a similar message, and I can't for the life 
of me work out what it means.  It seems to be describing the 
complicated route my message took from writing it on this website to 
getting posted here.  It doesn't ask me to do anything, so perhaps 
it's a new problem with the egroups system.  I've used egroups for a 
while, and this is the first time I've received a message like this.  
Is everyone getting them?    

~Blaise.    





From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Wed Aug 30 13:10:08 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 30 Aug 2000 06:10:08 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Technical question: Daemon messages
Message-ID: <20000830131008.9136.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 555

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From Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk  Wed Aug 30 13:23:22 2000
From: Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk (Pam Scruton)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:23:22 -0000
Subject: Harry's Yearbook
In-Reply-To: <39ACEEAA.13DA7259@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <8oj1sa+rvno@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 556

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
> 
> > Oh, what a disappointment!  Think what fun the moving pictures 
would be!  Open
> your yearbook, and there's a picture of Neville upsetting his 
cauldron in
> potions, or Minerva turning herself into a cat in Transfigurations, 
or Harry
> catching the snitch with a stupendous dive.
> 
> Much more fun than muggle yearbooks.

Hogwarts is not a traditional British school however and Dumbledore 
might be a very progressive headmaster.  

Our local secondary school put together a year book a couple of years 
ago after many requests from the final year pupils but it was not as 
popular as had been anticipated because it turned out rather 
expensive.  I'm not sure if they did it again.  I don't think that 
cost would be a problem at Hogwarts.  

They may have a whole school photo taken every couple of years.   Now 
that was great fun.  Everyone is arranged in semi-circular rows (and 
this would include the caretakers as well as teachers and pupils) and 
a slowly rotating panoramic camera is used.  It was possible to make 
yourself appear on the photo twice without resorting to magic.  All 
you had to do was to ensure you were at the end of one of the rows 
and as soon as the camera moved off you you run round the back to 
join the other end. 

Pam






From linsenma at hic.net  Wed Aug 30 13:46:55 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:46:55 -0500
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages
References: <39ACF119.ADCAE085@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <39AD104F.9D09C9B1@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 557

Hi --

Peg Kerr wrote:

> Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I'm new here.  For about
> 3/4
> of the messages I've sent to the list, I get a bounce back message
> entitled:  "HANDY-DAEMON: Quota exceeded."  The message consists of a
> lot of gobbledy-gook at the front, and then my own message that I've
> just sent.  As best as I can tell, my messages are being successfully
> sent and posted.  So why am I getting these Daemon messages?  So far
> I've been simply deleting them, but is there anything else I should
> do?
>

I don't *know* the answer but I suspect it may have something to do with
the fact that egroups has the 100 messages per day limit (supposedly).
"Quota exceeded" seems to indicate that my suspicions might be correct.

As I mentioned when we set this list up last Thurs or Friday, I wrote to
egroups customer support immediately & explained that we would need to
have our daily message limit increased to at least 200 as we might
regularly exceed 100 messages per day.  I have still not heard back from
them, despite their "promise" that you will hear back within 24 hrs with
customer support questions.

Paul has received some answers back to his queries relating to setting
up the Message Archives list (archived messages from our old Yahoo
site).  So, I'm not sure what the holdup is with responding to me on
this daily limit business.  I may re-submit the question now & see what
happens.

It does seem that everyone's messages *are* getting posted to the list,
despite the fact that you're receiving this Daemon message & being told
that the quota has been exceeded.

Can people comment on whether or not you tend to get these Daemon
messages toward the end of the day?  Of course, I don't know how egroups
figures a day -- which time zone are they using?

Well, I'll try to follow up & will let everyone know.

Penny


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From brooksar at indy.net  Wed Aug 30 14:21:30 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:21:30 -0000
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best seller list
In-Reply-To: <39AD104F.9D09C9B1@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8oj59a+g4ku@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 558

As an administrator on three other egroups list, I have never heard
of 
a 100 msgs per day restriction.  To me this daemon message looks like 
someone on this list has a quota limit on messages received, and
their 
mail provider is generating that error message back to a message 
sender.  

In other words I think it is a problem with someone on the list, not 
with egroups.  Can one of our admins check the member bounce status?


This CNN link posts the most recent Wall Street Journal's Best Seller 
List:
http://www.cnn.com/books/bestsellers/

HP I- IV in reverse chronological order fill the top four slots.





From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 14:29:19 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:29:19 -0000
Subject: The foggy future and alumni
Message-ID: <8oj5nv+u4bu@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 559

At this point let me sum up my opinion on Trelawney as: she knows 
more than McGonagall and Hermione think but she knows less than she 
herself thinks.
About alumni:  At my (American) high school we definitely referred to 
the former students as "alumni", even to the point of having an 
alumni association and various sorts of alumni dinners, etc.  Of 
course, being a private school, the admninistration had to rely 
partially on the alumni for money, so they probably had (and still 
have) to do some ego stroking.  I suspecct that public high schools 
don't take their graduates quite as seriously.




From spicoli323 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 14:34:21 2000
From: spicoli323 at hotmail.com (Steve Bates)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:34:21 -0000
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best seller list
In-Reply-To: <8oj59a+g4ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oj61d+p58m@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 560

I am getting the Daemon messages too.  I am not using the mail 
option; I just read the posted messages online, but when I post my 
own messages sometimes (seems like it is usually at the end of the 
day but I am not sure) I get the "quota exceeded" message in my 
mailbox a few mintues later.  However, the messages themselves are 
posted with no trouble.
-
-- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Brooks R" <brooksar at i...> wrote:
> As an administrator on three other egroups list, I have never heard
> of 
> a 100 msgs per day restriction.  To me this daemon message looks 
like 
> someone on this list has a quota limit on messages received, and
> their 
> mail provider is generating that error message back to a message 
> sender.  
> 
> In other words I think it is a problem with someone on the list, 
not 
> with egroups.  Can one of our admins check the member bounce status?
> 
> 
> This CNN link posts the most recent Wall Street Journal's Best 
Seller 
> List:
> http://www.cnn.com/books/bestsellers/
> 
> HP I- IV in reverse chronological order fill the top four slots.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 14:48:26 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:48:26 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Technical question: Daemon messages
References: <39ACF119.ADCAE085@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <00fb01c01291$5b1da040$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 561

Yeppers, a few days ago, I sent in an email that I was getting the same thing.  Penny said that might be the limit of egroups allowing a certain number of posts per day.  Haven't a clue then why (it--they?  What do you use with egroups?) continued to plop my email onto the webpage, just mailing out those daemons!
    
Shrugs...

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peg Kerr 
  To: HPforGrownups 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:33 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Technical question: Daemon messages



       
       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I'm new here.  For about 3/4
  of the messages I've sent to the list, I get a bounce back message
  entitled:  "HANDY-DAEMON: Quota exceeded."  The message consists of a
  lot of gobbledy-gook at the front, and then my own message that I've
  just sent.  As best as I can tell, my messages are being successfully
  sent and posted.  So why am I getting these Daemon messages?  So far
  I've been simply deleting them, but is there anything else I should do?

  Peg

  P.S. OT: Anyone ever read the science fiction _Head Crash_, by Bruce
  Bethke?  Recommended expecially for computer wizards, as well as anyone
  with a well-developed sense of the ridiculous.  Our hero is a nerd in
  Megalithic Corporation IT support. Among various other adventures, I
  believe that at one point an e-mail daemen showed up that was actually a
  demon. (Bruce Bethke is the man who coined the word "cyberpunk.")


  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com






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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 14:50:42 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:50:42 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages Blaise.
References: <8oiu1j+n6mr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011201c01291$ac7858e0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 562

Blaise, have you ever been a part of an egroup that posted with the same verbosity that we are?  

Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Blaise 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:17 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages



       
       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
  <<Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I'm new here.  For 
  about 3/4 of the messages I've sent to the list, I get a bounce back 
  message entitled:  "HANDY-DAEMON: Quota exceeded."  The message 
  consists of a lot of gobbledy-gook at the front, and then my own 
  message that I've just sent.  As best as I can tell, my messages are 
  being successfully sent and posted.  So why am I getting these Daemon 
  messages?  So farI've been simply deleting them, but is there 
  anything else I should do?

  Peg>>

  Well, I've just received a similar message, and I can't for the life 
  of me work out what it means.  It seems to be describing the 
  complicated route my message took from writing it on this website to 
  getting posted here.  It doesn't ask me to do anything, so perhaps 
  it's a new problem with the egroups system.  I've used egroups for a 
  while, and this is the first time I've received a message like this.  
  Is everyone getting them?    

  ~Blaise.    



  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com






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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 15:02:27 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:02:27 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages Response to Penny
References: <39ACF119.ADCAE085@ibm.net> <39AD104F.9D09C9B1@hic.net>
Message-ID: <016301c01293$54224b40$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 563

I seem to be getting them between 10:30 and midnight daily, eastern time.  I (cough) try to be offline at midnight (much the same as Neil does, and ends up at the office until 4:30 am?), but sometimes it doesn't work.

Tonight, I will try an experiment.  If I am getting those messages, I will try to post closer to one am, to see if there is a roll-over time (time when the count resets to 0), and perhaps what it is...

Dee



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From linsenma at hic.net  Wed Aug 30 15:27:12 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:27:12 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best  seller list
References: <8oj59a+g4ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39AD27D0.352C3D79@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 564

Hi --

Brooks R wrote:

> As an administrator on three other egroups list, I have never heard
> of a 100 msgs per day restriction.

See --http://www.egroups.com/help/startagroup.html#6

> To me this daemon message looks like someone on this list has a quota
> limit on messages received, and their mail provider is generating that
> error message back to a message sender.

I don't think that's it.  I just got a Mailer Daemon message myself --
even though it's 10:00 a.m., I've never gotten one from egroups before &
it clearly posted my message.  My mail server also (fortunately!) has no
restrictions.  Plus, too many people are receiving it now.

> This CNN link posts the most recent Wall Street Journal's Best Seller
> List:
> http://www.cnn.com/books/bestsellers/
>
> HP I- IV in reverse chronological order fill the top four slots.

Cool!!!!  I will transfer my allegiance from the NY Times Bestseller
List to the CNN list.  <g>

Penny



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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 15:26:18 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:26:18 -0000
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best  seller list
In-Reply-To: <39AD27D0.352C3D79@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8oj92q+eok7@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 565

Hitting the web (because once again Yahoo mail is broken, which 
occurs at least twice/three times a day!) I saw the option view 
source.  It looks exactly like (along the same lines) the daemon.  I 
think you might be right in your thinking.

I know it's not my email.  Yahoo doesn't have a problem with me--all 
my mail is almost instantly removed from the Inbox, and dl'ed into my 
Outlook Express, which makes a nice clean drawer for the new messages 
to fall into.  Anyway to trace that daemon to the person, using the 
html code within it?

:)
Dee





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 15:45:30 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:45:30 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Technical question: Daemon messages
References: <39ACF119.ADCAE085@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <01bb01c01299$53bf0de0$fedd5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 566

I think I have located the source of the problem.

In each and every one of the daemons, I have seen the same phrase.  I thought it was something with egroups, but after looking at the list of members, I noticed this:

            Member Profile for bombentestfeld at g...  
     
      Name:  
      Date of Birth:    
      Gender:    
      Street Address Line 1:    
      Street Address Line 2:    
      City:    
      State/Province:    
      Country:    
      Zip/Postal Code:    
      Phone Number:    
      Primary Language:    
      Occupation:    
      Industry:    
      Homepage:    
      Photo:    
      ICQ/IM #:    
      Remarks:    

  which means that the word is actually a member's alias!  I believe, and I could majorly be wrong, that this may be the source of the daemons--his/her mail  box is full!

  Grins.

  If I am wrong, I will readily admit it!!!!!!!




  Dee


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From luvmykatz at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 15:50:30 2000
From: luvmykatz at yahoo.com (Rita Fetter)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:50:30 -0000
Subject: Golden Snitch
Message-ID: <8ojag6+eifa@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 567

Have you guys seen that Golden Snitches are being auctioned on e-Bay? 
I won mine a couple of days ago.

They're keychains being sold at Warner Brothers stores, but it looks 
like they're hard to keep in stock.

--Rita




From jickndim at garden.net  Wed Aug 30 16:38:44 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:38:44 -0000
Subject: Weasley's House
In-Reply-To: <8ohbkn+qpr6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ojdak+fvlf@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 568

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Scott " <harry_potter00 at y...> 
wrote:
> <<<That is a good question. I always imagined 2 floors. Unless I 
>  really missed something. >>>
>    
> The way I've pictured it is rather haphazard, to the point of each 
> floor running into the others.  The front door under a small gable, 
> with a sloped roof, dormers smathered across the roof line and 
> crowning it all a small curved stove-pipe chimney protruding at the 
> top.
> 
> 
> <<<Percy pokes his head out of "the second story window" to shout
at 
> everyone to keep down the noise (as he was working diligently on 
>  his Cauldron thickness report).>>>
> 
> Remember the house, looks as though it is held up by magic, and I 
> suspect it is...But that's just it- it is magic so the house could 
be 
> 5 storeys on the inside and only 2 or three  on the outside.....
> 
> Scott


I'm with Scott.  I am certain that the house is only 2 stories on the 
outside and 6 or more on the inside.  Remember the small tents at the 
quiddich match in GoF.  The one was a three bedroom flat on the 
inside.  Jim H.




From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 30 16:35:44 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:35:44 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's Yearbook
References: <8oj1sa+rvno@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005201c012a0$58f39680$8db901d5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 569


----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Scruton <Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:23 PM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's Yearbook


>
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, what a disappointment!  Think what fun the moving pictures
> would be!  Open
> > your yearbook, and there's a picture of Neville upsetting his
> cauldron in
> > potions, or Minerva turning herself into a cat in Transfigurations,
> or Harry
> > catching the snitch with a stupendous dive.
> >
> > Much more fun than muggle yearbooks.
>
> Hogwarts is not a traditional British school however and Dumbledore
> might be a very progressive headmaster.
>
It is on the other hand run very much on the lines of a traditional British
boarding school/public school - prefects, houses, quidditch instead of rugby
or lacrosse etc., with lots of tradition going back, so in that respect,
something like a yearbook might be frowned upon as not-traditional, I know
that was certainly the attitude at my place - but then I was sitting there
chanting amo, amas, amat with the best of them...

Alix




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Wed Aug 30 16:45:15 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:45:15 -0000
Subject: snitches
Message-ID: <8ojdmr+ojtr@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 570

They have them at my local WB store, and I saw them this weekend, but 
decided not to get one. You know how the Snitch is the size of a 
walnut? Well, this one was more the size of Pigwidgeon, and it was 
stuffed, so it was very fluffy, also more like Pigwigeon than a 
snitch. 
I decided it was too big to carry around and am waiting for WB to 
create one that is the proper size and solidness : )

> Have you guys seen that Golden Snitches are being auctioned on e-
Bay? 
> I won mine a couple of days ago.
> 
> They're keychains being sold at Warner Brothers stores, but it 
looks 
> like they're hard to keep in stock.
> 
> --Rita





From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 17:13:43 2000
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:13:43 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages
References: <8oiu1j+n6mr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c012a5$ab680a40$8e71023e@cablecom.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 571


> <<Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I'm new here.  For
> about 3/4 of the messages I've sent to the list, I get a bounce back
> message entitled:  "HANDY-DAEMON: Quota exceeded."  The message
> consists of a lot of gobbledy-gook at the front, and then my own
> message that I've just sent.  As best as I can tell, my messages are
> being successfully sent and posted.  So why am I getting these Daemon
> messages?  So farI've been simply deleting them, but is there
> anything else I should do?

I had the same trouble for a while, on my original Egroups account.  Then,
while I was fiddling with my Egroup account settings I happened to change my
Email address from my permanent Yahoo one to the address at my current ISP.
That exorcized those deamons, although I've since removed the Egroup account
from email mode.  Over the weekend, I also set up new Yahoo and Egroups
accounts (the Aberforths_Goat ones) just for my Harry Potter activities.
They've worked just fine from day one.  Weird.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/aberforths_goat





From summers.65 at osu.edu  Wed Aug 30 17:39:10 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:39:10 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: British question
Message-ID: <v02140b64b5d2f6f01ba2@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 572


Ah, thanks Pam.  So what word would you suggest I use in the following sentence:

"There is a mailing list for [blanks] of Hogwarts."  The word I'd use over
here is "alums."

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggins and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk  Wed Aug 30 17:23:13 2000
From: Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk (Pam Scruton)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:23:13 -0000
Subject: British question
In-Reply-To: <v02140b64b5d2f6f01ba2@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <8ojfu1+8gf6@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 573

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, summers.65 at o... wrote:
> 
> Ah, thanks Pam.  So what word would you suggest I use in the 
following sentence:
> 
> "There is a mailing list for [blanks] of Hogwarts."  The word I'd 
use over
> here is "alums."

Ah now you put me on the spot!  Well, I used to be a member of my 
former school's OGA (Old Girls Association) and my husband is an Old 
Boy of his former school.   But my son, who goes to a mixed school, 
will become a Former Pupil when he leaves and be a member of the FPA 
(Former Pupils Association).  In Scotland there are lots of amateur 
sports clubs based on FP associations who play each other regularly.  
So you could have Hogwarts FPs playing quidditch against other 
wizarding schools - and there must be more than one in the UK surely.

However, a more elegant solution, frequently found amongst long 
established more traditional schools,  would be to call them Old-
Something- or-another derived from the name, thus former pupils of a 
school founded by King Charles, say, would be Old Carolians, or from 
King Edward's School would be Old Edwardians.  So Hogwarts FPs could 
be Old Hogwertians or some such.  

Does that give you some thoughts?

Cheers for now

Pam






From warmsley at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 30 17:32:54 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:32:54 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages Blaise.
Message-ID: <01c012a8$548ff4a0$f2b301d5@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 574

>Blaise, have you ever been a part of an egroup that posted with
the same verbosity that we are?
>
>Dee


I was on one that regularly had 200+ every day with no problems
(although once it hit 300 the list owner had to say validate
every message that came through, or something), so I don't think
its that. I think its likely, as someone euggested, that its a
problem with someone on the list.

Jeremy/Peeves_is_peeved




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Wed Aug 30 17:32:44 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:44 -0000
Subject: knockerbocker glory recipe
Message-ID: <8ojgfs+cnc8@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 575

I found a recipe for it on the Encyclopedia Potterica at 
http://www.geocities.com/potterica/knickerbocker.html

For those without easy web access, it's the following:
KnickerBocker Glory Recipe

1 x 1 pint packet raspberry jelly 

Melba sauce: 
1 x 8 oz can raspberries 
juice of 1/2 lemon 
2 oz caster sugar 
2 oz shelled hazelnuts, finely chopped 
1/4 pint whipping cream, stiffly whipped 
4 cherries (fresh or glace) 

Make the jelly according to packet directions, then leave to set. 
Meanwhile, make the Melba sauce: put the raspberries, lemon juice and 
sugar in a pan and heat gently until the sugar has dissolved. Remove 
from the heat, then rub through a sieve into a measuring jug. Measure 
150 ml/1/4 pint puree, making it up with the water as necessary. Mix 
the arrowroot to a paste with a little cold water. Return the puree 
to the rinsed-out pan, stir in the arrowroot paste and bring to the 
boil. Lower the heat and simmer until the sauce thickens, stirring 
constantly. Leave until cool. Chop the jelly roughly, then put 1 
spoonful in the bottom of each of 4 Knickerbocker Glory or sundae 
glasses. Put a few peach slices on top of the jelly. Peel and slice 
the bananas, then put a few slices on top of the peaches. Put 1 scoop 
of ice cream in each glass, then pour over a little of the Melba 
sauce and sprinkle with nuts. Continue with these layers until all 
the ingredients are used up, then pipe a whirl of cream on top of 
each glass and top with a cherry - 'delicious'. Serve immediately.
 




From brooksar at indy.net  Wed Aug 30 17:46:49 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:46:49 -0000
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best  seller list
In-Reply-To: <39AD27D0.352C3D79@hic.net>
Message-ID: <8ojha9+m54l@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 576

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer 
<linsenma at h...> wrote:
> Hi --
> 
> Brooks R wrote:
> 
> > As an administrator on three other egroups list, I have never 
heard
> > of a 100 msgs per day restriction.
> 
> See --http://www.egroups.com/help/startagroup.html#6
> 
> > To me this daemon message looks like someone on this list has a 
quota
> > limit on messages received, and their mail provider is generating 
that
> > error message back to a message sender.
> 
> I don't think that's it.  I just got a Mailer Daemon message myself 
--
> even though it's 10:00 a.m., I've never gotten one from egroups 
before &
> it clearly posted my message. 

I see the point about the 100 messages - I had never had cause to 
check those guides out before -  and I checked my most active list - 
looks like our highest daily figure was about 89, in our most active 
month which had 1172 messages.
However, I still think this Daemon response is an indication of a 
problem at somebody's receiving end - it comes back to people who
have 
posted messages, and all other versions of 'problem at receiving end 
sending an error message to sender' that I have ever seen in some 5 
years of emailing on lists,  do not interfere with posting a message 
either.




From brooksar at indy.net  Wed Aug 30 17:59:08 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:59:08 -0000
Subject: knockerbocker glory recipe
In-Reply-To: <8ojgfs+cnc8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oji1c+74i5@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 577

The Peaches, bananas and arrowroot mentioned in the body are  all 
missing from the ingredient list. - Brooks

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "heidi tandy" 
<heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> wrote:
> I found a recipe for it on the Encyclopedia Potterica at 
> http://www.geocities.com/potterica/knickerbocker.html
> 
> For those without easy web access, it's the following:
> KnickerBocker Glory Recipe
> 
> 1 x 1 pint packet raspberry jelly 
> 
> Melba sauce: 
> 1 x 8 oz can raspberries 
> juice of 1/2 lemon 
> 2 oz caster sugar 
> 2 oz shelled hazelnuts, finely chopped 
> 1/4 pint whipping cream, stiffly whipped 
> 4 cherries (fresh or glace) 
> 
> Make the jelly according to packet directions, then leave to set. 
> Meanwhile, make the Melba sauce: put the raspberries, lemon juice 
and 
> sugar in a pan and heat gently until the sugar has dissolved.
Remove 
> from the heat, then rub through a sieve into a measuring jug. 
Measure 
> 150 ml/1/4 pint puree, making it up with the water as necessary.
Mix 
> the arrowroot to a paste with a little cold water. Return the puree 
> to the rinsed-out pan, stir in the arrowroot paste and bring to the 
> boil. Lower the heat and simmer until the sauce thickens, stirring 
> constantly. Leave until cool. Chop the jelly roughly, then put 1 
> spoonful in the bottom of each of 4 Knickerbocker Glory or sundae 
> glasses. Put a few peach slices on top of the jelly. Peel and slice 
> the bananas, then put a few slices on top of the peaches. Put 1 
scoop 
> of ice cream in each glass, then pour over a little of the Melba 
> sauce and sprinkle with nuts. Continue with these layers until all 
> the ingredients are used up, then pipe a whirl of cream on top of 
> each glass and top with a cherry - 'delicious'. Serve immediately.




From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Aug 30 18:10:02 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:10:02 -0000
Subject: What to read in the meantime
In-Reply-To: <8ofbhv+9r42@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ojilq+2jvn@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 578

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Steve Bates" <spicoli323 at h...> 
wrote:
> Otherwise I am not much of a fantasy reader, but I think if I find 
> the time I wouldn't mind trying some Ursula LeGuin.  Anybody have a 
> suggestion as to a good starting place for her writings?

I love Ursula K. LeGuin.  She wrote a trilogy about a wizard named 
Ged, which goes into his education at the wizard school on the Isle 
of Roke, which I think may be a possible inspiration for Hogwarts.  
However, this series - the Wizard of Earthsea, the Tombs of Atuan, 
and The Farthest Shore - is very dark and gloomy, and while I enjoyed 
it, it is definitely not her best work.  (There is also a recently-
written addition to the trilogy called Tehanu.) I think Ursula K 
LeGuin does a lot better at sci-fi than at fantasy.  I recommend The 
Dispossed and The Left Hand of Darkness - both sci-fi classics.  I 
also liked The Word for World is Forest, The Beginning Place, Four 
Ways to Forgiveness, Rocannons World, and Planet of Exile.




From particle at urbanet.ch  Wed Aug 30 18:14:01 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:14:01 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] re: snitches
References: <8ojdmr+ojtr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c012ae$12e3c3a0$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 579

<They have them at my local WB store, and I saw them this weekend, but 
decided not to get one. You know how the Snitch is the size of a 
walnut? Well, this one was more the size of Pigwidgeon, and it was 
stuffed, so it was very fluffy, also more like Pigwigeon than a 
snitch. 
I decided it was too big to carry around and am waiting for WB to 
create one that is the proper size and solidness : )>

Hmmm...sounds awfully cute, though...that's one piece of merchandise I wouldn't mind getting (although it's probably the only exception - I hate merchandising books) - I never use keychains anyway, I just buy them ^_^. Too bad I don't live near a WB store.

~Firebolt



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From naraht at DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU  Wed Aug 30 18:19:31 2000
From: naraht at DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (naraht at DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:19:31 -0000
Subject: Knockturn Alley
Message-ID: <8ojj7j+rjar@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 580

Things you get when reading the books for the 10th time... I got on 
the first read through that "Diagon Alley" became Diagonally.. But it 
wasn't until I reread it last night that I realized that "Knockturn 
Ally" became Nocturnally which means "Of the night". Definately the 
correct name for the street of dark magic. 




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Aug 30 18:36:19 2000
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:36:19 -0000
Subject: Chapter 8 Summary: The Quidditch World Cup
In-Reply-To: <8oepkc+m6o8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ojk73+93bl@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 581

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jen Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> At last, we've finally come to the quidditch action (unfortunately, 
> the only quidditch action we're going to see in the whole book, 

And the narration says that it is Quidditch of a level that Harry had 
never seen before -- we see this is true, because it is not only so 
fast that there's no time for commentary, but the score mounts by 
goals to the level that 150 points for catching the Snitch is almost 
meaningless.

But if Hogwarts is the only wizarding school for all the British 
Isles (more or less equivalent to the political entities UK and 
Ireland), all the members of the winning Irish National Team must 
have gone to Hogwarts. I don't know how long a pro Quidditch career 
can last, but surely old-timers like McGonagall would have remembered 
them and mentioned them in the same breath as Charlie Weasley.  





From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Aug 30 18:43:00 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:43:00 -0000
Subject: Ghost Query
In-Reply-To: <00b201c01272$71a6c360$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>
Message-ID: <8ojkjk+bt27@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 582

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Firebolt" <particle at u...> wrote:
> Yes, she is - JK Rowling said so at a book signing, I think. 
> 
>> Is the Grey Lady the Ravenclaw 
>>   resident ghost ? I read this somewhere but don't recall seeing 
this 
>>   mentioned in any of the books.Anyone able to confirm this ?

In the 60 minutes interview with JKR, she shows some of her 
handwritten notes (of which she has boxes full) about the HP world.  
There is a closeup of a piece of paper which says something like:

Ghosts
Gryffindor - Nearly Headless Nick
Slytherin - the Bloody Baron
Ravenclaw - the Grey Lady
Hufflepuff - the Fat Friar

I suspect that JKR has also created many more details of the 
wizarding world that have not made it into the books.  We can only 
hope to hear about them all someday!

- Joywitch




From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Aug 30 18:46:45 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:46:45 -0000
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best seller list
In-Reply-To: <8oj61d+p58m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ojkql+cljh@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 583

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Steve Bates" <spicoli323 at h...> 
wrote:
> I am getting the Daemon messages too.  I am not using the mail 
> option; I just read the posted messages online, but when I post my 
> own messages sometimes (seems like it is usually at the end of the 
> day but I am not sure) I get the "quota exceeded" message in my 
> mailbox a few mintues later.  However, the messages themselves are 
> posted with no trouble.


Just for the record, I have had the same experience.

- Joywitch




From particle at urbanet.ch  Wed Aug 30 18:51:21 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:51:21 +0200
Subject: Rumor...can anyone confirm this?
References: <8ojkjk+bt27@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003501c012b3$4aabe880$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 584

Well, I heard that Rowling was going to publish a companion book for the series when/after the movie...does anyone know whether this is true? Because if she has boxfuls of notes, that's probably the only way we'll actually see all of them, unless the last few books are several volumes each. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joywitch 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:43 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Ghost Query



       
       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Firebolt" <particle at u...> wrote:
  > Yes, she is - JK Rowling said so at a book signing, I think. 
  > 
  >> Is the Grey Lady the Ravenclaw 
  >>   resident ghost ? I read this somewhere but don't recall seeing 
  this 
  >>   mentioned in any of the books.Anyone able to confirm this ?

  In the 60 minutes interview with JKR, she shows some of her 
  handwritten notes (of which she has boxes full) about the HP world.  
  There is a closeup of a piece of paper which says something like:

  Ghosts
  Gryffindor - Nearly Headless Nick
  Slytherin - the Bloody Baron
  Ravenclaw - the Grey Lady
  Hufflepuff - the Fat Friar

  I suspect that JKR has also created many more details of the 
  wizarding world that have not made it into the books.  We can only 
  hope to hear about them all someday!

  - Joywitch


  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com






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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 19:03:02 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:03:02 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] re: snitches
References: <8ojdmr+ojtr@eGroups.com> <001d01c012ae$12e3c3a0$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>
Message-ID: <006e01c012b4$ec153540$77dc5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 585

I was seriously (siriusly) hoping to get one for my birthday.... :(  No such luck.

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Firebolt 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] re: snitches



       
       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  <They have them at my local WB store, and I saw them this weekend, but 
  decided not to get one. You know how the Snitch is the size of a 
  walnut? Well, this one was more the size of Pigwidgeon, and it was 
  stuffed, so it was very fluffy, also more like Pigwigeon than a 
  snitch. 
  I decided it was too big to carry around and am waiting for WB to 
  create one that is the proper size and solidness : )>

  Hmmm...sounds awfully cute, though...that's one piece of merchandise I wouldn't mind getting (although it's probably the only exception - I hate merchandising books) - I never use keychains anyway, I just buy them ^_^. Too bad I don't live near a WB store.

  ~Firebolt



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From icemousepotter at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 19:21:54 2000
From: icemousepotter at hotmail.com (icemousepotter at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:21:54 -0000
Subject: Rumor...can anyone confirm this?
In-Reply-To: <003501c012b3$4aabe880$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>
Message-ID: <8ojmsi+ltrt@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 586

The Sunday Times carried the story that JKR was going to publish a 
companion book to the series about a year ago and also said that it 
would come out at the same time as the first HP movie.I understood 
that that was one of the reasons why her publishers stopped an 
unofficial companion to the books being produced.The firm which will 
be producing the HP video game have also said that JKR is giving them 
access to her unpublished notes on the wizarding world.As this is my 
first message after a period of lurking, hello to the group! 



--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Firebolt" <particle at u...> wrote:
> Well, I heard that Rowling was going to publish a companion book 
for the series when/after the movie...does anyone know whether this 
is true? Because if she has boxfuls of notes, that's probably the 
only way we'll actually see all of them, unless the last few books 
are several volumes each. 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joywitch 
>   To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:43 PM
>   Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Ghost Query
> 
> 
> 
>        
>        My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  
> 
> 
>   --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Firebolt" <particle at u...> 
wrote:
>   > Yes, she is - JK Rowling said so at a book signing, I think. 
>   > 
>   >> Is the Grey Lady the Ravenclaw 
>   >>   resident ghost ? I read this somewhere but don't recall 
seeing 
>   this 
>   >>   mentioned in any of the books.Anyone able to confirm this ?
> 
>   In the 60 minutes interview with JKR, she shows some of her 
>   handwritten notes (of which she has boxes full) about the HP 
world.  
>   There is a closeup of a piece of paper which says something like:
> 
>   Ghosts
>   Gryffindor - Nearly Headless Nick
>   Slytherin - the Bloody Baron
>   Ravenclaw - the Grey Lady
>   Hufflepuff - the Fat Friar
> 
>   I suspect that JKR has also created many more details of the 
>   wizarding world that have not made it into the books.  We can 
only 
>   hope to hear about them all someday!
> 
>   - Joywitch
> 
> 
>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>   HPforGrownups-unsubscribe at egroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Wed Aug 30 20:23:45 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:23:45 +0100
Subject: Yearbooks, Neville, Quidditch, Ireland, James
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 587

"1) Do they have Yearbooks in the UK?"
Yes. Arriving at university I got to see the yearbooks of many of my
friends, without the embarrassment of showing one myself as we had never got
round to producing one (I went to a very laid back and lazy school). They
are not always done in the classical way. Often there is only one, for the
top school year. This would then include a picture from their first school
year to compare to a more recently taken one. After that it is just a matter
of finding enough really embarrassing photos to fill the rest of the book.

The one that I have just got from college was done more for contact details.
We then included a little bit about ourselves and a 'friend' got to write a
small bit about us.

"2) Would Hogwarts have one?"
I would think so. I bet they would be much cheaper and easier to produce in
the Wizarding world.

"Remember that it was Neville that put Gryffindor over the top the first
year.  Dumbledore awarded him the last five points needed to allow
Gryffindor to win the House Cup:"

10 points, but who's counting! This leads me onto a question. Why 10 points
when 1 was all that was needed for the symbolism?

"But if Hogwarts is the only wizarding school for all the British Isles
(more or less equivalent to the political entities UK and Ireland), all the
members of the winning Irish National Team must have gone to Hogwarts."

The British Isles is not UK and Ireland. The British Isles is England,
Scotland, Wales and some islands. The UK is the British Isles and Northern
Island, and possibly some more small islands. Maybe JKR meant that Hogwarts
is the school for the UK and there is a separate one for Ireland.

It could that they, Ireland Quidditch team, were not in Gryffindor. Charlie
was mentioned as a recent comparison for the seeker position. I do not
believe that she has mentioned any other past players in the Quidditch team
(maybe apart from James). The Ireland team could have been split over
several years and houses. Thus making them average players at school but
when they combined, as a team, was when they suddenly became an impressive
playing unit. Also at school the seeker has a much more important point
scoring role.

Harry James Potter?
Many fan fiction writers have used this name. Is the James form JKR, or is
it just made up?

Simon





From vderark at bccs.org  Wed Aug 30 20:26:29 2000
From: vderark at bccs.org (Steve Vander Ark)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:26:29 -0000
Subject: Rumor...can anyone confirm this?
In-Reply-To: <003501c012b3$4aabe880$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>
Message-ID: <8ojqll+q9dt@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 588

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Firebolt" <particle at u...> wrote:
> Well, I heard that Rowling was going to publish a companion book 
for the series when/after the movie...


She said in one interview that she was considering writing a 
companion volume after the series was finished and that fans 
should "accept no substitutes." Her own companion book will be 
incredible, and you're right that it's the only one that will have 
ALL the facts. In the meantime, since we have several years at least 
to wait, I'll keep adding all those delicious details to the Lexicon. 
(http:www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon).

As for the Gray Lady, she passed Harry in the hallway at one point. 
She wasn't identified in the book, but JKR did say that we had 
encountered her already when she was asked about it.

Steve Vander Ark
The Harry Potter Lexicon
http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon




From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 20:58:19 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:58:19 -0000
Subject: Yearbooks, James
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8ojshb+670j@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 589

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Simon Branford" 
<simon.branford at h...> wrote:
<<1) Do they have Yearbooks in the UK?">>

Yes, they had one at my old school, but they're not universal.  I 
think they're becoming more popular, though.  Ours had house photos, 
some amusing writing about the various people in each house (I got to 
do the one for my house and so escaped being lampooned), and lots and 
lots of embarrassing photos.  

<<Harry James Potter?  Many fan fiction writers have used this name. 
Is the James form JKR, or is it just made up?>>

JKR said in an interview (I think it might have been the Scholastic 
one) that his middle name is definitely James.  Now what I want to 
know is, what does the J in Remus J Lupin stand for?  Any guesses?  

~Blaise.    





From jickndim at garden.net  Wed Aug 30 21:07:00 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:07:00 -0000
Subject: Weasley's House
Message-ID: <8ojt1k+3ptp@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 590

I agree with Scott.  I believe that the house is six or so stories on 
the inside and two stories tall on the outside.  Rather like the
small 2 man night tents at the Quiddich World Cup match.  Remember
the 
one was a three bedroom flat on the inside.  A six story residence 
would frighten the muggle neighbors,not to mention the horses.
 Jim H/




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 21:32:48 2000
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jen Piersol)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:32:48 -0000
Subject: What to read in the meantime
In-Reply-To: <8ojilq+2jvn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ojui0+l4rn@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 591

I also love Ursula K. LeGuin.  Especially _The Lathe of Heaven_ - 
though perhaps not because it is the best (I haven't read it since I 
was 14); more because it was the first book of hers that I read. 
_The Dispossessed_ was good, too...

However, I haven't seen anyone mention the _His Dark Materials_ 
trilogy by Philip Pullman.  Of course, I have to say this in warning: 
it's not finished yet, so don't go and read the first 2 and then get 
mad at me because you have to wait until October 10th to read the
last one.  If you don't mind waiting for the next book in ANOTHER 
series, though, I'd really recommend these books.  Sort of a nice 
blend between sci-fi and fantasy, though perhaps they lean more 
towards fantasy.  Usually categorized as Young Adult Fiction - but as 
many of us seem to not mind reading what are classified as
kiddie-lit, I don't have any qualms about that.  

First book: The Golden Compass(US)/Northern Lights(UK)
Second: The Subtle Knife
Third: The Amber Spyglass (due in October)

I completely enjoyed them - although I'm really mad at the fact that
I set myself up for MORE anxiety waiting for the last one.  DUMB! :)

Jen






From jickndim at garden.net  Wed Aug 30 21:39:02 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:39:02 -0000
Subject: Ludo Bagman's name
Message-ID: <8ojutm+fb0c@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 592

Ludo suggests to me Luddite or ludicrous.  There is also a fictional 
character named Ludovic and I can't remember at the moment ( I will
at 
3AM tonight).  Bagman in my lexicon is someone who CARRIES money 
between bribors and bribees ( forgive for that, couldn't resist)or 
between drug dealers and their customers etc.  Always a low level 
functionary in the underworld.  Just something to throw into the stew.

Jim




From jickndim at garden.net  Wed Aug 30 21:47:43 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:47:43 -0000
Subject: Amazon to sell cars
In-Reply-To: <8oetui+b1u3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ojvdv+hboq@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 593

Vickie,  Head gaskets can be replaced and in a circa 1988 car it 
shouldn't be too difficult.  Just an off topic aside.

Jim

 In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Merriman Vicki" <VMerriman at f...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Nick Mitchell" <nick at n...> wrote:
> > I wonder... does this mean we can soon by a Blue Ford Anglia, 
> complete with
> > a fourpack of HP books?
> 
> My beloved 1988 Nova died last week (head gasket.)  I am therefore 
> seriously shopping for a new car.
> 
> The relevance is that if Ford sold the Anglia in the states, I
would 
> really be tempted, just to have my own Flying Ford Anglia.
> 
> I like that car.  Now its running around the forest, it seems happy 
> but it was willing to rescue Ron and Harry, AND it lost a side 
mirror 
> in the process, so one could say that it was willing to risk itself 
> for Ron.
> 
> Perhaps once it recovered from the lengthy trip to Hogwarts it 
> realized that it was having a lot more fun than it could have just 
> sitting in Mr. Weasley's garage and driving on the roads on
occasion 
> and was grateful to Ron for essentially freeing it from servitude.
> 
> Vicki




From robusdin at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 30 21:43:14 2000
From: robusdin at hotmail.com (Rob Usdin)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:43:14 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: What to read in the meantime
References: <8ojui0+l4rn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <OE30B8TrBHxvZ9aZ1i6000014fb@hotmail.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 594

The Magic King: For Sale/SOld! Books by Terry Brooks are also great light fantasy reading.

--*Rob


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From VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us  Wed Aug 30 22:19:30 2000
From: VMerriman at fssa.state.in.us (Merriman Vicki)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:19:30 -0000
Subject: Weasley's House
In-Reply-To: <8ojt1k+3ptp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ok19i+fool@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 595

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jim Hohman" <jickndim at g...> wrote:
> I agree with Scott.I believe that the house is six or so stories on 
> the inside and two stories tall on the outside.  Rather like the
> small 2 man night tents at the Quiddich World Cup match.  Remember
> the > one was a three bedroom flat on the inside.  A six story 
residence > would frighten the muggle neighbors,not to mention the 
horses.

Except that the house looked odd and discombobulated to Harry when he 
saw it in CoS.  He had only seen it on the outside but thought it 
looked like a stone pigpen, to which a number of additions had been 
added and "it looked as if it was held up by magic, which, considered 
Harry, it probably was."  or something to that effect.

So it seems to me that the house must have more than a "normal two 
story house" outside.

Vicki




From warmsley at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 30 22:35:46 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:35:46 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best  seller list
Message-ID: <01c012d2$a37d3da0$f2b301d5@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 596

>
>I see the point about the 100 messages - I had never had cause
to
>check those guides out before -  and I checked my most active
list -
>looks like our highest daily figure was about 89, in our most
active
>month which had 1172 messages.
>However, I still think this Daemon response is an indication of
a
>problem at somebody's receiving end - it comes back to people
who
>have
>posted messages, and all other versions of 'problem at
receiving end
>sending an error message to sender' that I have ever seen in
some 5
>years of emailing on lists,  do not interfere with posting a
message
>either.


This is compounded by the fact that it comes back from
something.de, which is a german hostname (ah, memories of a
wasted youth)... anyone on the list posting from germany?
The thing that seems the likeliest to me is that one of the
listees account has been cancelled and their e-mail address is
no longer valid, so every time the email reaches their
ex-server, the server sends an automatic message back saying
"this is no longer valid". Sadly, I've deleted of the ones I got
so I can't actually check this...

Jeremy




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 23:55:40 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:55:40 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best  seller list
References: <01c012d2$a37d3da0$f2b301d5@warmsley>
Message-ID: <008301c012dd$ceaa17e0$77dc5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 597

The post I made not long ago, Jeremy, had the alias of the "daemons" in it, can't recall off the top of my head (something starting with B).  The founders could start with this info, at least to track it down. :)

Dee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Warmsley 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 6:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best seller list



       
       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  >
  >I see the point about the 100 messages - I had never had cause
  to
  >check those guides out before -  and I checked my most active
  list -
  >looks like our highest daily figure was about 89, in our most
  active
  >month which had 1172 messages.
  >However, I still think this Daemon response is an indication of
  a
  >problem at somebody's receiving end - it comes back to people
  who
  >have
  >posted messages, and all other versions of 'problem at
  receiving end
  >sending an error message to sender' that I have ever seen in
  some 5
  >years of emailing on lists,  do not interfere with posting a
  message
  >either.


  This is compounded by the fact that it comes back from
  something.de, which is a german hostname (ah, memories of a
  wasted youth)... anyone on the list posting from germany?
  The thing that seems the likeliest to me is that one of the
  listees account has been cancelled and their e-mail address is
  no longer valid, so every time the email reaches their
  ex-server, the server sends an automatic message back saying
  "this is no longer valid". Sadly, I've deleted of the ones I got
  so I can't actually check this...

  Jeremy


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From jickndim at garden.net  Thu Aug 31 00:13:36 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:13:36 -0000
Subject: Character summary: Ludovic Bagman
In-Reply-To: <01c0119d$16630660$ef4001d5@warmsley>
Message-ID: <8ok7vg+l7h2@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 598

Do We know that Volemort knows that Snape has left his service??? Do 
we know that Snape has really left Voldemorts service???? I don't 
think that this has been delineated.   

Jim H


--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Warmsley" <warmsley at b...> wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sister Mary Lunatic <klaatu at p...>
> To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
> Date: 29 August 2000 00:49
> Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Character summary: Ludovic Bagman
> 
> 
> >Bagman is disturbing to me because he is a ranking member of
> the Ministry
> >and has left himself open to blackmail and coercion by the
> Death Eaters.
> >The Voldemort side may agree to either pay off his gambling
> debts, or to
> >eliminate his creditors.  I got the feeling that he WAS a
> member of the
> >Death Eaters prior to the downfall of Voldemort, and that he
> was given
> >preferential treatment and let free due to his popularity as a
> sports hero
> >(sounds like a few Muggles I know).
> >
> >
> 
> Actually, I think we know he's *not* a death eater, because of
> what Voldemort says about the death eaters (one a coward, one
> left my service, one at hogwarts) - Bagman was still at hogwarts
> at this point, so he can't have been one of the ones there, and
> the three refer to Snape, Karkaroff and Crouch.
> 
> Jeremy/Peeves

 




From gchua at spicerspaperasia.com  Thu Aug 31 00:30:05 2000
From: gchua at spicerspaperasia.com (Gen )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:30:05 -0000
Subject: Pensieve - Just a Thought
Message-ID: <8ok8ud+2m2j@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 599

If memories and thoughts can be collected in the Pensieve, I think it 
may be possible in the upcoming books for Harry to "see" his parents, 
in happier times. Sirius was a close friend and he would have many 
recollections of at least James, if not both of them. Theoretically 
then if Sirius could sieve these thoughts, Harry could then peer into 
the past as he had done so in Dumbledore's office. The problem with 
this is that the sheer trauma of Sirius' time in Azkaban may also get 
siphoned into the Pensieve and Harry, on looking in, would be drawn 
into an unpleasant world, albeit, as an observer.






From kathleen at carr.org  Thu Aug 31 00:28:10 2000
From: kathleen at carr.org (Kathleen Kelly MacMillan)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:28:10 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Yearbooks, Neville, Quidditch, Ireland, James
Message-ID: <200008310035.e7V0ZWv02843@ccpl.carr.org>

No: HPFGUIDX 600

>"Remember that it was Neville that put Gryffindor over the top the first
>year.  Dumbledore awarded him the last five points needed to allow
>Gryffindor to win the House Cup:"
>
>10 points, but who's counting! This leads me onto a question. Why 10 points
>when 1 was all that was needed for the symbolism?


Speaking of which, is it just me, or is the point system at Hogwarts really 
whacked?  I mean, Harry got 60 points for getting the Sorceror's Stone, and 
Ron and Hermione each got 50.  Then Harry and Ron each got 200 points for the 
Chamber of Secrets stuff.  What kind of scale is this?  Shouldn't Hermione be 
demanding to see some sort of written guidelines?

Kathy




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Thu Aug 31 01:09:13 2000
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:09:13 -0000
Subject: Carole and Lori
Message-ID: <8okb7p+hcff@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 601

Carole and Lori--

Thank you for answering my questions about ASA and PoU, it's very 
appreciated.  I'm greatly looking forward to immersing myself in both 
stories.  I'm going to try to hold off as long as I can, but if I can 
make it til Christmas I'll be very surprised. 

Kelley




From melaniem68 at home.com  Thu Aug 31 01:26:55 2000
From: melaniem68 at home.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:26:55 -0000
Subject: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best seller list
In-Reply-To: <8oj59a+g4ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8okc8v+li5u@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 602

> In other words I think it is a problem with someone on the list,
not 
> with egroups.  Can one of our admins check the member bounce status?


I have just done so, and found no bouncing members.  Now for the 
moment of truth.  It is now 6:30 PM in California (probably at least 
9:30 PM by eGroups standards).  Will I get a Daemon messages?

Melanie




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 01:29:26 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:29:26 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best seller list
References: <8okc8v+li5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012201c012ea$e84bc1a0$77dc5d18@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 603

Melanie, 
I have getting them all day long today.  They haven't stopped no matter what the time is.

I am certain that it is that one member, the one with the name like Bombfelder or the like.  If you want to contact me, we can continue discussing this off list!  :)

Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Melanie Moore 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:26 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Technical question: Daemon messages/WSJ Best seller list



       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  > In other words I think it is a problem with someone on the list,
  not 
  > with egroups.  Can one of our admins check the member bounce status?


  I have just done so, and found no bouncing members.  Now for the 
  moment of truth.  It is now 6:30 PM in California (probably at least 
  9:30 PM by eGroups standards).  Will I get a Daemon messages?

  Melanie


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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:23:21 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:23:21 -0000
Subject: A Very Harry Potter Day
Message-ID: <8okfip+ms5n@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 604

Are there any veteran middle school teachers on this list?  If so, 
please e-mail me.  I am but a novice <g>, yet I have never seen 
anything quite like *this*.  The lunchtime conversations with my 
summer school students should have been a warning to "take
cover".  

Forget Pokemon.  Forget Digimon.  Today half the kids?no, make
that more than half of the kids in our middle school division (grades 
five through eight, ages nine through fourteen if you're not in
the States)?were carrying around one of the four HP books.

Many of my former fifth grade students have come to visit over the 
past two days.  I've heard *dozens* of exuberant summaries of
GoF.  I tried to keep a smug smile from my face?some of the very
ones telling me about Krum's chances of surviving the next book
had whined the loudest before cracking open SS for fifth grade 
Language Arts!  

Perhaps the best of all is that so far I've received reports from
four former "parents" that their reluctant readers continued
to read all summer.  *Yes!*  I pray Borders (the best store in the 
world!) becomes the Next Hot Stock.

As for my new fifth graders (over 100 of them!), about a third of 
them haven't gotten to HP yet.  Hardly any of these nine and ten
year olds have read GoF, yet they are a *very* well-read bunch 
compared to last year's group.  (Score one for the "This is Not
Just a Children's Series, Stupid" camp.) 

The ones who have read the first three books have caught all of the 
sly Potterisms I've tried to slip by them thus far...
"McGonagall" and "Golden Snitch" caught their
attention even though I 
used them in non-HP context.

This is getting long... more in my next post...

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 02:30:48 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:30:48 -0000
Subject: What to read in the meantime and "world literature"....
In-Reply-To: <8ojui0+l4rn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8okg0o+36n4@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 605

-Well I have had someone to recommend these books to me, and I had 
comepletly forgotten about it. It is rather unappealing however to 
have to wait for another book...

Thanks though, I will consider reading them now!

On the subject of Other books, apparently my school, which mandates 
sophomore English to world literature, does not think that Brits, or 
Yanks classify as "World writers" ?!?! (Just to reiterate their 
intelligence the Irish are considered British!!!)

So are there any good books written by Author's from other 
countries....

Scott



--:
 I also love Ursula K. LeGuin.  Especially _The Lathe of Heaven_ - 
 though perhaps not because it is the best (I haven't read it since I 
> was 14); more because it was the first book of hers that I read. 
> _The Dispossessed_ was good, too...
> 
> However, I haven't seen anyone mention the _His Dark Materials_ 
> trilogy by Philip Pullman.  Of course, I have to say this in 
warning: 
> it's not finished yet, so don't go and read the first 2 and then 
get 
> mad at me because you have to wait until October 10th to read the
> last one.  If you don't mind waiting for the next book in ANOTHER 
> series, though, I'd really recommend these books.  Sort of a nice 
> blend between sci-fi and fantasy, though perhaps they lean more 
> towards fantasy.  Usually categorized as Young Adult Fiction - but 
as 
> many of us seem to not mind reading what are classified as
> kiddie-lit, I don't have any qualms about that.  
> 
> First book: The Golden Compass(US)/Northern Lights(UK)
> Second: The Subtle Knife
> Third: The Amber Spyglass (due in October)
> 
> I completely enjoyed them - although I'm really mad at the fact that
> I set myself up for MORE anxiety waiting for the last one.  DUMB! :)
> 
> Jen




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:38:22 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:38:22 -0000
Subject: A Very HP Day--Two *Cute* HP Moments
Message-ID: <8okgeu+njee@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 606

OK, OK, don't shoot me.  I won't subject you guys to this all
year long.  I just had such a good day today?-everything in all
six classes went like clockwork, which is extremely rare during the 
first week of school.  The Potter craze was just the icing on the 
cake.

Two of today's HP moments were so darn cute that I just have to
share.

#1 )  First, there is a certain student who has enrolled in one of my 
Drama classes for the second straight year.  A tall, self-conscious 
seventh grader, Chris is quiet and introspective.  He is very 
responsible, gets good grades, and a team player.  Yet he rarely 
initiates conversation.  So I was a bit surprised when he asked to 
speak to me after school today.

"Miss Thomas, do... do you... um, do you think..."  He takes
a very deep breath and looks around nervously.  (Meanwhile, I'm 
getting a little alarmed?thinking, `what is wrong with this
child?  Has someone threatened him?  Is something wrong at home?')  

Then it comes out in a rush.  "Do-you-think-that-Hermione-likes-
Harry?"  

Please understand that this child operates in the strata of our 
school that is diametrically opposed to that of my summer school Type 
A personality, Ritalin, and at-risk students.  I *know* they
haven't talked.  You should have seen the look on my face-?I
hadn't mentioned HP in Drama at all!  

As I opened a locker, signed a pass, and fastened a stubborn uniform 
tie at the same time, I listened to Chris reiterate the Farmer in the 
Dell theory as if he thought it was the weirdest and most original 
idea he'd ever had in his life. 

I didn't tell him about those lunchtime conversations, though.  
Didn't have the heart to.  I just said, "Well, Chris,
that's a really interesting theory.  You seem to have put a lot
of thought into it. Let me get back to you on that one."  

As he grinned and walked away, I upgraded the status of FITD from a 
theory to the Theory of Choice among a sampling of about 500 urban 
U.S. preteens.  For if Chris and the summer school kids are seeing 
eye to eye, then you pretty much have a consensus.  ;)

#2)  After school today, I had a lot of laminating to do.  Two 
primary children, the son and daughter of one of our staff members, 
were sitting in the lounge coloring and waiting for Mom.  

When I got to the HP stuff they were fascinated.  They'd heard of
the books but had never read them.  They kept getting in the way, 
exclaiming in cartoonish voices, "Who's that?  What *is*
that?  Why does he have that thing on his forehead?  Why does she 
look so sad?  Why is he so mean?"  

All you WB fans, think of the Animaniacs... Dot and Wacko were all 
over the place, pointing, touching, tugging on my dress.  I'm
afraid one of them will get their fingers crushed and melted in the 
laminator, so I'm mentally making up something to tell my colleague.

And then the little girl, Imani, says in this shocked voice, "Is
that Harry Potter's *wife*?  I thought he was just a little
BOY!"

I nearly *fell out laughing*.   My baby sister Lorri is an excellent 
high school artist whose work has won all kinds of competitions.  
Between the two of us and the Internet we'd managed to illustrate
all of the major characters.  What Imani was referring to was the 
rendention of James and Lily.  It took me a good five minutes to 
explain the physical resemblance between father and son.

I'm still not quite sure she believed me.

That's it for me.  Suffice it to say that I'm looking forward
to work tomorrow.  The kids and preteens reminded me of something 
important today.  For all my excitement about finding adult HP fandom 
this summer, all day today I thought of an old 80s 
commercial:  "Silly rabbit-?Trix are for kids."  And
ultimately so 
are young wizards-in-training.  :-D

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From shellymoos at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:48:52 2000
From: shellymoos at hotmail.com (Shelly )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:48:52 -0000
Subject: My Merchandise Story
Message-ID: <8okh2k+q6nj@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 607

Hi all, haven't posted sinced we moved have been trying to wade 
through all the messages.  With school starting and trying to get 
three kids ready to go back there hasn't been a whole lot of time.
On to my story:
 My birthday was in the middle of August.  Now ever year my husband 
tries to suprise me but somehow I usually figure out what he gets 
me.  We're on the same wavelength, I think.  Anyway about a week 
before my b-day we were out shopping.  There is a little shopping 
area here in town that has a WB store and a Disney store in it.  I 
wanted to go to the WB store and see if they had gotten anything new 
in, cause I had bought a snitch there when they first came out.  Well 
I found the most adorable set of bookend.  They are of Harry going 
through the wall at platform 9and 3/4 on his way back to school.  One 
end has one end of him and the other has the front end.  Hedwig is 
part of them and all his trucks and papers and all that stuff.  
Anyway I thought they were adorablee and told the hubby.  I had 
foundd what I really wanted for my birthday.  Well after not getting 
anything we went down to the Disney store.  Now they have a 
collection of Pooh Bear figurines that I really like and knowing my 
husband like I do I figured he would be getting me one for me as my 
present.  (You know me as pooh-65 at Yahoo- I''ve always loved Pooh) 
Anyway he told me to go out with the kids and he would be right out.  
Now he didn't have much to buy but when he came out he had this huge 
bag and a big box in it.  So I "knew" what I was getting.  He then 
said he needed to stop at the WB store one more time on our way out.  
After doing this, and he didn't get anything we went home and enjoyed 
our evening.  Now on my birthday I am thinking I am so smart that I 
know what I have.  As I am opening my gifts he is holding two back 
for last.  I open the Disney box and there is not the figurine I 
expected but something else. So I am wondering what could possibly be 
in the last box.  Well lo and behold they were my bookends.  Now I 
knew he hadn't been back to the store so I wanted to know how he had 
done it.  He tells me.   At the Disney store he tells the clerk that 
he needs the biggest gift box they have.  Of course she is puzzled 
because he doesn't have anything but a small keychain.  He tells her 
that my birthday is coming up and that I want something from the WB 
store.  But he has to hide it and make it appear my gift came from 
the D store.  He had brass I will say that.  But she thought it was 
cool so she gave him the box.  In the WB store as he is paying for 
the bookends he goes to put them in the Disney box.  The clerk there 
is having a fit.  He tells the guy the whole story and since the WB 
store got his money it should be no big deal.  Well in the end they 
thought it was a cool idea too.  So now I have all four of my books 
on a shelf with my bookends, where the other three will go eventually.
Sorry to ramble but I just had to let you guys know.  Hubbys can be 
really sweet sometimes.  BTW I finally got him into the books.  Can't 
wait till he is done.  There is just so much to discuss.  It is so 
hard keeping my mouth shut.   Well till later   Shelly




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:51:05 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:51:05 -0000
Subject: "Herm-own-ninny" Matter Settled!
Message-ID: <8okh6p+hd4r@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 608

Today the former fifth grader who dared to correct my pronunciation 
of Hermione last school year turned up in my last hour Drama class.  

I distinctly remember that I embarrassed him in front of the class 
with my condescending "Jon, I think *I* should know how to pronounce 
the name, dear.  I know a Hermy-own in real life.  Thank you, but 
let's continue with our reading."  I apologized to him openly and let 
him know that he had been right after all.  I also told my Drama 
class exactly what I'd learned from the experience.  "Teachers don't 
know everything.  No one does.  Just as you have a lot to learn from 
me, I have just as much or even more to learn from you."

Jon accepted my "mea culpa" and promise of a small treat quite 
graciously.  And had the grace not to say "Told you it was *Her-my-oh-
knee*!".

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From larryngocnguyen at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 03:01:11 2000
From: larryngocnguyen at hotmail.com (Larry Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:01:11 -0000
Subject: Confused on Hermione Pronunciation
Message-ID: <8okhpn+av52@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 609

First I had thought that it had been "Her-ee-own"
 But then in an jkr interview I had read jkr had said "her-my-own-ee"
And finally I heard an excerpt from the GoF audio and that said "Her-
mahn-ee"
   HOW do you say it? this is driving me mad!
      Larry (formerly Asianpower83)




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Thu Aug 31 03:47:27 2000
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:47:27 -0000
Subject: "Herm-own-ninny" Matter Settled!
In-Reply-To: <8okh6p+hd4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8okkgf+gb5a@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 610

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Ebony Elizabeth" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> Today the former fifth grader who dared to correct my pronunciation 
> of Hermione last school year turned up in my last hour Drama 
class.  
> 
> I distinctly remember that I embarrassed him in front of the class 
> with my condescending "Jon, I think *I* should know how to 
pronounce the name, dear.  I know a Hermy-own in real life.  Thank 
you, but let's continue with our reading."  I apologized to him 
openly and let him know that he had been right after all."
> 
> Jon accepted my "mea culpa" and promise of a small treat quite 
> graciously.  And had the grace not to say "Told you it was *Her-my-
oh-knee*!".

Ebony, I have to say your student is a lot more mature than I would 
have been (or am) in that situation!  I *so* would have said the four 
most unpopular words in the world: "I told you so!" <vbg>

Trina (who relates to Hermione beyond belief)





From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 03:48:39 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:48:39 -0000
Subject: New Listserv for HP Fans/Teachers
Message-ID: <8okkin+lhfr@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 611

New NCTE Discussion List for the Harry Potter Faithful: Hogwarts-
Haven 

By request of Potter-loving muggle teachers, NCTE has created a new 
discussion list for teachers and students to discuss their favorite 
adolescent wizard. To subscribe, visit NCTE's Discussion List 
Homepage or send email to majordomo at lists.ncte.org and in the first 
line of the note put: subscribe hogwarts-haven

Just thought this would be of interest...

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Thu Aug 31 04:49:17 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:49:17 -0000
Subject: Pensieve - Just a Thought
In-Reply-To: <8ok8ud+2m2j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oko4d+r4fc@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 612

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Gen " <gchua at s...> wrote:
> If memories and thoughts can be collected in the Pensieve, I think 
it 
> may be possible in the upcoming books for Harry to "see" his 
parents, 
> in happier times. Sirius was a close friend and he would have many 
> recollections of at least James, if not both of them. Theoretically 

What a wonderful idea.  However, harry would need to be careful that 
he didnt start spending too much time in the pensive.  It would have 
the same risk to him that the mirror of erised did.  ie.  that he 
spent his time in there with his parents.

vicki




From vjmerri at iquest.net  Thu Aug 31 04:58:21 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:58:21 -0000
Subject: My Merchandise Story
In-Reply-To: <8okh2k+q6nj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8okold+26el@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 613

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Shelly " <shellymoos at h...> wrote:
> Now he didn't have much to buy but when he came out he had this 
huge 
> bag and a big box in it.  So I "knew" what I was getting.  He then 
> said he needed to stop at the WB store one more time on our way 
out.  
> Hubbys can be > really sweet sometimes.  BTW I finally got him into 
the books

That really rates high on the Hubbys can be sweet scale, as well as 
on the foresight and ingenuity and sheer sneakiness scales.

I was picturing the WB person flipping out when he started re 
packaging the bookends.  that's really funny. I'm glad they saw the 
end result was fun and let him go ahead and do it.

Vicki




From summers.65 at osu.edu  Thu Aug 31 06:01:09 2000
From: summers.65 at osu.edu (summers.65 at osu.edu)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:01:09 -0500
Subject: Fanfic question
Message-ID: <v02140b74b5d3a4bcf10a@[140.254.113.101]>

No: HPFGUIDX 614


Okay.  I have a question for anyone who read a lot of fanfic.  I personally
don't read a lot of fanfic because a) no browser really slows you down and
b) no time and c) hard to find the good stuff.

I am interested in compiling a list of plot cliches that are found in H/H
fanfic, of which there is a lot I know.  For example Harry dying and
leaving Hermione pregnant, Harry's parents discovered as still alive, etc.

I appreciate the help.  I do have a reason for asking this.  But I'm not
telling.  :-)

Lori


**********************************************************
Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggins and Messina
Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
***********************************************************





From vjmerri at iquest.net  Thu Aug 31 05:07:22 2000
From: vjmerri at iquest.net (Vicki Merriman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:07:22 -0000
Subject: Confused on Hermione Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <8okhpn+av52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8okp6a+aj1d@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 615

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Larry Nguyen" 
<larryngocnguyen at h...> wrote:
> First I had thought that it had been "Her-ee-own"
>  But then in an jkr interview I had read jkr had said "her-my-own-
ee"
> And finally I heard an excerpt from the GoF audio and that 
said "Her-
> mahn-ee"
>    HOW do you say it? this is driving me mad!


It IS "Her my ow nee."  JKR even helpfully tells us in GoF.  Remember 
the part at the ball where Hermione is trying to get Krum to 
pronounce her name correctly?  I am firmly convinced that this 
paragraph was in there to try to settle the matter worldwide.  Why 
Jim Dale continues to pronounce her name Her mah nee is beyond me.  
He even carefully reads Hermione's pronounciation correctly, then 
goes right back to Her mah nee.  I thought that perhaps the audio 
tape people didn't find out it was too late until book one was 
already finished, and that they just decided to be consistent even 
since.  One of the English posters on the list thinks that there is 
an English accent that might slur the middle two syllables together 
to produce the Her mah nee effect.  Its definitely odd, though, 
because the correct classical pronounciation, as well as JKR, 
indicates its Her my ow nee.


I used to think it was Hermy own, also, until Brooks corrected me 
shortly after I started him on the books.  I've loved greek and roman 
literature since the 7th grade, but since it was in print, I never 
did figure out how to pronounce some of names until well into 
adulthood.

Vicki




From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu Aug 31 05:18:53 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:18:53 -0700
Subject: Pronunciation guide online
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEMCCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 616

Scholastic Books has a pronunciation guide on their website.  You need
Shockwave on your computer to make it work.  It will pronounce the names of
many of the characters, place-names, and objects.  Be sure to click the
Voldemort pronunciation more than once -- there are three separate audios...
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, You-Know-Who, and finally, the pronunciation of
the name itself.  Cute.

     http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/pronunciation/play.htm




From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 07:19:16 2000
From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] New Listserv for HP Fans/Teachers
Message-ID: <20000831071916.22349.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 617


--- Ebony Elizabeth <ebonyink at hotmail.com> wrote:
> New NCTE Discussion List for the Harry Potter Faithful:
> Hogwarts-Haven 
> 


Hmmm! Good taste in titles <g>.

Melanie
(Webmistress of my own Hogwarts Haven)
http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady

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Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
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From particle at urbanet.ch  Thu Aug 31 07:39:39 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:39:39 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Fanfic question
References: <v02140b74b5d3a4bcf10a@[140.254.113.101]>
Message-ID: <002701c0131e$9f2c4880$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 618

Lori: I've read a lot of (read: way, way too many) H/H fics, I'd be happy to provide you with some cliches by private e-mail ^_^.

~Firebolt
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: summers.65 at osu.edu 
  To: hpforgrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:01 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Fanfic question

  Okay.  I have a question for anyone who read a lot of fanfic.  I personally
  don't read a lot of fanfic because a) no browser really slows you down and
  b) no time and c) hard to find the good stuff.

  I am interested in compiling a list of plot cliches that are found in H/H
  fanfic, of which there is a lot I know.  For example Harry dying and
  leaving Hermione pregnant, Harry's parents discovered as still alive, etc.

  I appreciate the help.  I do have a reason for asking this.  But I'm not
  telling.  :-)

  Lori


  **********************************************************
  Lori   "More Machine Now than Man"  Summers

  Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
  Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggins and Messina
  Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
  ***********************************************************


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From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 31 09:26:50 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:26:50 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Pronunciation guide online
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEMCCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c0132d$99c5b160$88277bd5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 619


----- Original Message -----
From: Sister Mary Lunatic <klaatu at primenet.com>
To: X - HP for Grownups <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:18 AM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Pronunciation guide online


>
> Scholastic Books has a pronunciation guide on their website.  You need
> Shockwave on your computer to make it work.  It will pronounce the names
of
> many of the characters, place-names, and objects.  Be sure to click the
> Voldemort pronunciation more than once -- there are three separate
audios...
> He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, You-Know-Who, and finally, the pronunciation of
> the name itself.  Cute.
>
>      http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/pronunciation/play.htm
>
That was really cute - funny, but I always 'heard' Voldemort with a hard 't'
on the end, and Draco to rhyme with Whacko, not Way-co.

Alix




From particle at urbanet.ch  Thu Aug 31 09:49:07 2000
From: particle at urbanet.ch (Firebolt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:49:07 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Pronunciation guide online
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEMCCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com> <009c01c0132d$99c5b160$88277bd5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000401c01330$b55cf520$53ebcac3@urbanet.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 620

<That was really cute - funny, but I always 'heard' Voldemort with a hard 't'
on the end, and Draco to rhyme with Whacko, not Way-co.>

Hey, that guide actually helped...I didn't know I was pronouncing Rubeus wrong ^_^;;; Draco is Latin for dragon - and Draco is the dragon constellation, and both words are Dray-co, so...as for Voldemort, if the 't' isn't pronounced, that means it probably does come from French like it's been rumored...so his name means either 'Flight from Death' or 'Flight of Death', depending which meaning of 'de' you use. Both meanings are pretty interesting, I think ^_^. Maybe Rowling used that dual meaning on purpose.

~Firebolt


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From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 31 09:46:12 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:46:12 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Confused on Hermione Pronunciation
References: <8okp6a+aj1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ae01c01330$4d5d6c20$88277bd5@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 621


----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki Merriman <vjmerri at iquest.net>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:07 AM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Confused on Hermione Pronunciation


>
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Larry Nguyen"
> <larryngocnguyen at h...> wrote:
> > First I had thought that it had been "Her-ee-own"
> >  But then in an jkr interview I had read jkr had said "her-my-own-
> ee"
> > And finally I heard an excerpt from the GoF audio and that
> said "Her-
> > mahn-ee"
> >    HOW do you say it? this is driving me mad!
>
>
> It IS "Her my ow nee."  JKR even helpfully tells us in GoF.  Remember
> the part at the ball where Hermione is trying to get Krum to
> pronounce her name correctly?  I am firmly convinced that this
> paragraph was in there to try to settle the matter worldwide.

That's exactly what I thought, too - made me laugh almost as much as I did
each time Hermione moaned that no one but her had read Hogwarts, a History.
I mean, it's not a common name, but as well as being the name of Helen of
Troy's daughter, it is also the name of Shakespeare's heroine in The
Winter's Tale, so it's not that unknown, especially for an actor - wonder
why Jim Dale is pronouncing it like that?

Mind you, I was in a play a little while ago and a lot of the characters
were called Miss ... and Mr ... and the director encouraged us to give our
characters first names, so I was Hermione Chasen (for obvious reasons!) and
one of the guys in the cast who is a learned Shakespeare buff laughed when
he read it and said 'Your character's name is Hermy-won?'  It's a little
like having to get used to Voldemore rather than VoldemorT, I guess - it
depends on how you've been hearing it in your head.

Alix




From Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk  Thu Aug 31 10:18:50 2000
From: Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk (Pam Scruton)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:18:50 -0000
Subject: Ludo Bagman's name
In-Reply-To: <8ojutm+fb0c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8olbea+q5mp@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 622

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Jim Hohman" <jickndim at g...> wrote:
> Ludo suggests to me Luddite or ludicrous.  There is also a 
fictional 
> character named Ludovic and I can't remember at the moment ( I will
> at 
> 3AM tonight).  Bagman in my lexicon is someone who CARRIES money 
> between bribors and bribees ( forgive for that, couldn't resist)or 
> between drug dealers and their customers etc.  Always a low level 
> functionary in the underworld.  Just something to throw into the 
stew.
> 
> Jim

I thought that Ludo would be short for Ludovic from the Latin 'victor 
ludorum' winner of the games.   Ludo is also a board game which will 
be familiar to most British children at least - is it not a game 
played in the US also?

A bagman, to me anyway, would be one of two things - a tramp or hobo 
who carries all his worldly possession in a bag, or somebody who 
works for the President of the US who carries the briefcase around 
containing the wherewithal to start total global thermonuclear war.  
Don't know where I got the latter from - but it was the first thing I 
thought of when I saw the name Ludo Bagman.  I didn't know about the 
low-level courier between drug dealers and customers - perhaps that's 
the derivation for the carrier of the thermonuclear briefcase. 

Pam




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Aug 31 10:43:00 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:43:00 +0100
Subject: Day trip to DC!/Hermione pronunciation
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000831104300.0071a27c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 623

Hi everyone,

I've just returned from a 'day trip' to Washington, DC (which took more than
two days if you count the delightful plane rides at either end).  I knew I
would face a full e-mail box on my return (about 230 messages - errrr - I
can cope), but that new clutch of 'how to pronounce Hermione' posts made me
feel I was right back in the roost.  

I was one of the people who suggested, before, that some accents blur the
middle syllables of Hermione, to give the impression of Her-mah-nee and also
that some people appear not to be able to detect the inflection if it is
very slight. Amazingly, I do have something *new* to add to this debate.
It's from "Fowler's Modern English Usage", regarding the word 'medieval'.  

Fowler says:

"It is pronounced me-di-EE-val, with four syllables, although me-DEE-val or
mi-DEE-val, with three syllables, is common in AmE [American English]."  

Obviously, there is a parallel with the word 'Hermione', which might explain
why some people still insist that the name has only three syllables.  I
couldn't imagine pronouncing medieval with three syllables myself, but it
seems to be an accepted alternative in the States.

Back in Washington, on Tuesday evening, we went out for dinner with the
people we were visiting (business associates) and at one point the
conversation turned, unexpectedly, to Harry Potter.  I nearly choked on my
Portobello mushrooms, but managed to look nonchalant.  Everyone in their
office had read all the books and were very excited about them.  Their
'President' (a rather overly grand title, I thought) reads the books to his
8 year old daughter and reckons Hogwarts Castle is modelled on Fettes School
in Edinburgh, where Tony Blair was educated.  I guess that would make Tony
an old Fettesian or Fetteshist or Fettlock or... something.  

Anyway, this Harry Potter 'bonding session' was a great boost to our
business meeting the next day: we'd become like old friends overnight.  I
considered launching into the Hogwarts school song over the breakfast coffee
to see if they would all join in, but then realised I had to be serious for
a few hours.  *So* close to making a fool of myself...

Glad to be back in Blighty!

Neil 

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk  Thu Aug 31 10:45:29 2000
From: Pam at barkingdog.demon.co.uk (Pam Scruton)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:45:29 -0000
Subject: Confused on Hermione Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <8okp6a+aj1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8old09+5n71@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 624

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Vicki Merriman" <vjmerri at i...> 
wrote:
> --- I've loved greek and roman 
> literature since the 7th grade, but since it was in print, I never 
> did figure out how to pronounce some of names until well into 
> adulthood.

My Latin teacher told us that in Latin and Greek you really can't go 
far wrong if you sound out absolutely every vowel.  Some consonents 
go together - th, ph, sh, st, etc. etc. but vowels have their own 
sounds and are almost never silent.  Miss Strauss (an Austrian lady 
teaching Latin in an English girls school) would be amazed that I 
remembered anything she said for five minutes let alone 35 years!

If the Harry Potter books have demonstrated anything, they have shown 
me that it's about time Latin and Greek came back onto the school 
curriculum if only for a few lessons as part of a history course.  

Now I've started humming the song of the tortoise (Carmina Testudo) 
which goes to John Brown's Body - I'll never get that out of my head 
today.

Pam




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Aug 31 11:06:49 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:06:49 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Ludo Bagman's name
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000831110649.007097e4@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 625


Pam said:

>I thought that Ludo would be short for Ludovic from the Latin 'victor 
>ludorum' winner of the games.   Ludo is also a board game which will 
>be familiar to most British children at least - is it not a game 
>played in the US also?

I made a comment, which I now realise was in the Yahoo chatroom, about Ludo
the board game (which I remember well), and the fact that Ludo has a brother
called Otto, which made me think of lotto/lottery, both names suggesting
somewhat childish game-playing or gambling.  That's how I see Ludo Bagman -
an overgrown kid, who gambles unwisely, plays and loses.  I feel that this
weakness of his will be exploited further in future HP books. His services
will be easily bought, if he has run up huge gambling debts.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From lrcjestes at msn.com  Thu Aug 31 11:04:13 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:04:13 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Pensieve - Just a Thought
References: <8oko4d+r4fc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003701c0133b$331b4fc0$dd8fd6ce@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 626

> > If memories and thoughts can be collected in the Pensieve, I think
> it
> > may be possible in the upcoming books for Harry to "see" his
> parents,
> > in happier times. Sirius was a close friend and he would have many
> > recollections of at least James, if not both of them. Theoretically

But could Harry, or Sirius for that matter, choose which memories Harry fell
into? Sirius has an awful lot of terrible memories as well.

carole






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 12:40:40 2000
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend-Ings)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:40:40 -0000
Subject: Finally posting
Message-ID: <8oljo8+mtml@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 627

Hi all,

I moved over here from Yahoo on the weekend, and meant to post 
sooner, but have been seriously sidetracked. My 'teenager-in-
residence' (friend of my daughter's who now lives with us permanently 
- long story) was hit by a car, and we have been spending most of our 
time at the hospital. She should be home in the next few days, but in 
the meantime, I barely have time to check my e-mail. One of the first 
things she said when I got to the hospital was 'I think your book is 
gone' (she takes one to work). She then added 'Thank God it wasn't 
Harry Potter'. Gotta love that! And yes, thank God she had finished 
GoF and wasn't carrying it around at the time (though I would much 
prefer something happen to it than to Jennah).

I loved being able to read the chat, but prefer the idea (as 
mentioned days ago) of putting it in a file to read. Yahoo was 
protesting vigourously about the amount of mail in my inbox. I like 
the move to egroups, definitely easier and less problems. I will try 
to make it to the chat this weekend. In the meantime, I will be 
reading all the posts, but don't expect to have much time to reply to 
anything.

Sheryll




From LadyHufflepuff at aol.com  Thu Aug 31 13:15:22 2000
From: LadyHufflepuff at aol.com (LadyHufflepuff at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:15:22 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Pronunciation guide online
Message-ID: <d9.90f7cc1.26dfb46a@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 628

That was pretty cool.  According to that guide, I've been pronouncing quite a 
few things wrong.  The Voldemort one WAS very cute, indeed.

LadyHufflepuff



From warmsley at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 31 11:18:45 2000
From: warmsley at btinternet.com (Warmsley)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:18:45 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] A Very HP Day--Two *Cute* HP Moments
Message-ID: <01c0133d$3a3ec960$0100007f@warmsley>

No: HPFGUIDX 629

> As I opened a locker, signed a pass, and fastened a stubborn
uniform
> tie at the same time, I listened to Chris reiterate the Farmer
in the
> Dell theory as if he thought it was the weirdest and most
original
> idea he'd ever had in his life.


The what when with a who?

Farmer in the Dell?

But cute stories :)

Jeremy/Peeves




From kathleen at carr.org  Thu Aug 31 14:24:09 2000
From: kathleen at carr.org (Kathleen Kelly MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:24:09 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Fanfic question
Message-ID: <200008311433.e7VEX9v17025@ccpl.carr.org>

No: HPFGUIDX 630

Hmm...

Ok, here goes:

Ginny confesses her love for Harry/Draco/Neville in her diary
Harry dates Cho, who cheats on him, leading him to find true love in Hermione 
or Ginny, depending on the author's ship
Ron, Hermione, and shooting stars (that one I don't get, but it's really 
common!)
Harry Potter and Survivor (this has been done WAY too often--oh wait, once 
would have been way too often!)
Snape dances to Britney Spears (also way too common--shudder)
Snape and McGonagall fall in love
Harry has a secret twin, also still alive
Lavendar gives Hermione a makeover
Hermione goes to another school dance and finds true love


That's all I can think of at the moment--I am sure more will come to me!

Kathy


>===== Original Message From HPforGrownups at egroups.com =====
>
>
>Okay.  I have a question for anyone who read a lot of fanfic.  I personally
>don't read a lot of fanfic because a) no browser really slows you down and
>b) no time and c) hard to find the good stuff.
>
>I am interested in compiling a list of plot cliches that are found in H/H
>fanfic, of which there is a lot I know.  For example Harry dying and
>leaving Hermione pregnant, Harry's parents discovered as still alive, etc.
>
>I appreciate the help.  I do have a reason for asking this.  But I'm not
>telling.  :-)
>
>Lori
>
>
>**********************************************************
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>
>Last movie seen:  "X-Men" (most excellent)
>Reigning car-CD:  "Best of Friends" Loggins and Messina
>Current book: "A Walk in the Woods" by Bill Bryson
>***********************************************************
>
>
>
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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 15:15:27 2000
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:15:27 +0200
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Pensieve - Just a Thought
References: <8ok8ud+2m2j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c0135e$509b9140$8e71023e@cablecom.ch>

No: HPFGUIDX 631

> Theoretically
> then if Sirius could sieve these thoughts, Harry could then peer into
> the past as he had done so in Dumbledore's office. The problem with
> this is that the sheer trauma of Sirius' time in Azkaban may also get
> siphoned into the Pensieve and Harry, on looking in, would be drawn
> into an unpleasant world, albeit, as an observer.
>

No denying that makes sense.  But I don't think it will happen.  JKR often
seems to bring in bits of magic that serve a purpose in the tactics of a
single book (or even within a section of a single book) but don't serve the
overall stretgy of the series.  The Mirror of Erised or the flying Ford are
two simple examples.  They serve their purposes, then trundleoff off over
the horizon.  (Or into HP4GU, as the case may be ... )

Snape's truth serum is a more complex example of these moves: It serves the
tactics of GoF but leaves us wondering why Dumbledore doesn't administer a
spoonful to every prospective Hogwarts teacher.

Of course, there are a lot of counter examples of bits of magic that keep
turning up at unexpected times and places, but I have a feeling that we
won't see the pensieve in action again--*unless* there is some need for
Harry to discover something Dumbledore knows, without actually asking
Dumbledore.  (For instance, if the MoM should banish Dumbledore from
Hogwarts ... )

About Sirius: It's also possible that the pensieve can collect memories only
within a limited period of time following their formation.  That would keep
anyone from using it to dig up long-lost memories (at least without the use
of a very clever therapist ... )

BTW, we goats don't need pensieves: we have the Goat Memorial Home Page
(http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/7451/) to collect the essence of
our fleeting spirits ...

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/aberforths_goat






From steve at worldgroup.net  Thu Aug 31 15:28:50 2000
From: steve at worldgroup.net (Steve Wilson)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:28:50 -0500
Subject: [HPforGrownups] A Very HP Day--Two *Cute* HP Moments
In-Reply-To: <8okgeu+njee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000831102649.00b31bf8@worldgroup.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 632

At 21:38 8/30/2000, you wrote:
>[...] I listened to Chris reiterate the Farmer in the
>Dell theory as if he thought it was the weirdest and most original
>idea he'd ever had in his life.

What, pray tell, is "the Farmer in the Dell theory"?




From brooksar at indy.net  Thu Aug 31 15:36:44 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:36:44 -0000
Subject: Ludo Bagman's name
In-Reply-To: <8olbea+q5mp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8olu2c+9s4b@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 633



> A bagman, to me anyway, would be one of two things..... or somebody 
who 
> works for the President of the US who carries the briefcase around 
> containing the wherewithal to start total global thermonuclear war.
 
> Don't know where I got the latter from - 

That is the term that has been applied to the person by the Secret 
Service and general White House usage.  It is possible that the first 
published mention of the term may have been William Manchester's _The 
Death of a President_.  In fact I started to say that the term was 
actually the Secret Service radio code word applied to that person 
during President Kennedy's trip to Dallas in November 1963, (op. 
cit.); but I now recall that the page listing all the code names 
actually said the "Bagman's" code name was brilliantly unimaginative: 
"Satchel".

-Brooks




From brooksar at indy.net  Thu Aug 31 15:39:33 2000
From: brooksar at indy.net (Brooks R)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:39:33 -0000
Subject: Confused on Hermione Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <8okp6a+aj1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8olu7l+bmas@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 634

--
> I used to think it was Hermy own, also, until Brooks corrected me 
> shortly after I started him on the books.  I've loved greek and 
roman 
> literature since the 7th grade, but since it was in print, I never 
> did figure out how to pronounce some of names until well into 
> adulthood.
> 
> Vicki

I do hope I was polite about it. :-)

Seriously, I think I had a really good pronounciation guide in some 
mythology book I had once.

-Brooks




From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu Aug 31 16:15:56 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:15:56 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Ludo Bagman's name
In-Reply-To: <8olbea+q5mp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOAEMLCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 635

According to my dictionary, a 'bagman' is "a collector of money for
racketeers".  This goes way back to the early gangster/mob crime days
(l920's?) here in the USA.  The bagman either collected the weekly bribe
money from businessmen who were being "protected" (meaning exploited) by the
big local crime boss; or he collected the profits from local illegal
gambling establishments and delivered them to boss headquarters; or in some
instances he was the person who held on to stolen goods until they could be
disposed of, hence the phrase  "he was left holding the bag" means someone
who was caught doing something wrong while his cohorts excaped scot-free.






From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu Aug 31 16:34:30 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:34:30 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Ludo Bagman's name
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOAEMLCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEMLCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 636

"...while his cohorts *excaped* scot-free."

ACK!!  When will I learn to use spell-checker instead of depending upon my
bleary eyeballs??  I mean ESCAPED.  {{sheesh}}}



-----Original Message-----
From: Sister Mary Lunatic \
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:16 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Ludo Bagman's name





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Aug 31 17:31:46 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:31:46 -0000
Subject: ARTICLE: a bad summer for the New York Times
Message-ID: <8om4q2+n7jb@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 637

This is for you, Penny : )
I've snipped out some of the paragraphs, but you can read the whole 
thing at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000828/en/culture-
newyorktimes_1.html

Times a changin' for bestseller list 

By Jonathan Bing

NEW YORK (Variety) - It's been a bruising summer for the New York 
Times bestseller list, and the old Grey Lady is still reeling.

Once the gold standard of commercial success in the book world, the 
list has been discarded by America's biggest bookstores, all of which 
now use their own lists as determinants of discounting policy and in-
store real estate.

And in separate incidents last week, the long-unchallenged authority 
of the Times list was called into question.

On Aug. 23, the Times reported that AMG/Renaissance literary agent 
Alan Nevins had attempted to influence the list. Nevins channeled 
sales of 18,000 copies of a book by Amway founder Rich DeVos to Amway 
distributors through Los Angeles-area bookstores that report to the 
Times list.

The Times balked at the sales, dismissing them as at best the 
equivalent of a business-to-business buy, and at worst a naked 
attempt to steal some of the magic the list confers on a book.

``The premise of the list is consumer purchases,'' Times surveys 
editor Michael Kagay said. ``Every attempt over the decades to 
manipulate the list seems to have involved bulk sales.''

But cash registers nationwide recently began telegraphing mass orders 
of another book you won't see on the list this month -- the paperback 
edition of ``Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.''

With 3.2 million copies in print, it's one of the fastest-selling 
books in America; but the Times has no place for it. There's no 
paperback kids list in the paper, and despite lobbying from 
Scholastic, and statistics showing that 43% of Harry Potter readers 
are older than 14, the Times won't track it as an adult paperback.

``The bestseller list should reflect what America is reading,'' said 
Barbara Marcus, head of children's publishing at Scholastic. ``I 
don't understand the decision.''

Publishing insiders are quick to point out that the Times list is 
still the brand to beat -- a brand based on its accurate record of 
consumer sales at bookstores of all shapes and sizes.

``Its prestige is as great if not greater than ever,'' said Random 
House senior VP Stuart Applebaum. ``It's still the definitive list 
for the literate book-minded consumer in this country and probably 
around the world.''

But it's also a work in progress.

The Times broke with tradition this summer and created a hardcover 
kids list.

Times Book Review editor Charles McGrath has disclosed to Daily 
Variety that the list is going to evolve further, and a children's 
paperback list, possibly to rotate with other categories, is 
forthcoming -- so there's still hope for ``Chamber of Secrets.''

In the meantime, the Times list keepers are left to ponder an 
electronic future, long after Harry Potter has relinquished his grip 
on the list. Once book purchases are reported electronically like 
recorded music sales, there'll be no disputing who's king of the hill.






From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Thu Aug 31 17:40:08 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 31 Aug 2000 10:40:08 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] ARTICLE: a bad summer for the New York Times
Message-ID: <20000831174008.8647.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 638

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From joym999 at aol.com  Thu Aug 31 18:07:48 2000
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:07:48 -0000
Subject: More HP paraphernalia  
Message-ID: <8om6tk+qbfb@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 639

Yet another small, fairly irrelevant HP factoid:

Someone brought me back from the Democratic National Convention a 
button which says:

Put Wizardry Back in the White House

with a picture of Al Gore and Harry Potter.

Personally, I wonder why Scholastic Books hasnt sued the DNC.  
Although someone on alt.fan.harry-potter did point out that it would 
seem natural for HP to support *Owl Gore* for president.

I imagine that if you really want one of these buttons someone on 
Ebay must be selling one.  Despite my disparaging remarks, I am 
keeping mine!

- Joywitch




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 31 18:23:12 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:23:12 -0400
Subject: Pronunciation guide online
Message-ID: <00c701c01378$86399da0$0100000a@joywelan>

No: HPFGUIDX 640

I'm a little sorry in a way that I read the pronunciation guide.  All this
time, I've been pronouncing Voldemort with a hard t, and Azkaban with two
soft a sounds (like when you go to the doctor and he makes you say AH. <G>).
It's going to take a while to get my mind trained to the correct way.

~Joy~




From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu Aug 31 19:14:34 2000
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:14:34 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Day trip to DC!/Hermione pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000831104300.0071a27c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCEMOCAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 641

Good to see you back, FFA.  Did you tell your business associates who you
REALLY were?  Did you apparate to the USA or use one of those muggle
transports?  I have the feeling you could hike into the mountains of
Afghanistan and find people eager to talk about the latest Harry Potter
book!


-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Ward [mailto:neilward at dircon.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:43 AM
To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Day trip to DC!/Hermione pronunciation

Hi everyone,

I've just returned from a 'day trip' to Washington, DC (which took more than
two days if you count the delightful plane rides at either end).  I knew I
would face a full e-mail box on my return (about 230 messages - errrr - I
can cope), but that new clutch of 'how to pronounce Hermione' posts made me
feel I was right back in the roost.

I was one of the people who suggested, before, that some accents blur the
middle syllables of Hermione, to give the impression of Her-mah-nee and also
that some people appear not to be able to detect the inflection if it is
very slight. Amazingly, I do have something *new* to add to this debate.
It's from "Fowler's Modern English Usage", regarding the word 'medieval'.

Fowler says:

"It is pronounced me-di-EE-val, with four syllables, although me-DEE-val or
mi-DEE-val, with three syllables, is common in AmE [American English]."

Obviously, there is a parallel with the word 'Hermione', which might explain
why some people still insist that the name has only three syllables.  I
couldn't imagine pronouncing medieval with three syllables myself, but it
seems to be an accepted alternative in the States.

Back in Washington, on Tuesday evening, we went out for dinner with the
people we were visiting (business associates) and at one point the
conversation turned, unexpectedly, to Harry Potter.  I nearly choked on my
Portobello mushrooms, but managed to look nonchalant.  Everyone in their
office had read all the books and were very excited about them.  Their
'President' (a rather overly grand title, I thought) reads the books to his
8 year old daughter and reckons Hogwarts Castle is modelled on Fettes School
in Edinburgh, where Tony Blair was educated.  I guess that would make Tony
an old Fettesian or Fetteshist or Fettlock or... something.

Anyway, this Harry Potter 'bonding session' was a great boost to our
business meeting the next day: we'd become like old friends overnight.  I
considered launching into the Hogwarts school song over the breakfast coffee
to see if they would all join in, but then realised I had to be serious for
a few hours.  *So* close to making a fool of myself...

Glad to be back in Blighty!

Neil

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming,
   the car rumbled off into the darkness,
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Aug 31 20:14:31 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:14:31 -0500
Subject: Harry Potter Moments & Various Things
Message-ID: <39AEBCA7.77393A96@hic.net>

No: HPFGUIDX 642

Hi --

Neil -- I love that you found HP fans that helped liven up your business
meetings!

I do have my own amusing HP moment from yesterday to share.  I do a
volunteer shift at a local genealogy library, and an older guy works the
same shift I do.  He was showing me a map reference he'd found recently
and what I thought I heard him say was this "Lord Voldemort had all this
land over here . . . ."  I sat there for a few moments thinking.  "Has
he read HP & he's mistakenly said Voldemort instead of something else?
Is there a real Lord Voldemort from American history?"  Finally, I asked
him to repeat what he'd said.  "Lord Baltimore."  I have HP on the brain
too much -- clearly.

Ebony -- I'm glad you shared your back-to-school experiences with us
(btw, congrats on your promotion -- don't know if I'd told you yet or
not).  To the people who've asked (can't wait until we have the FAQs
done), the Farmer in the Dell (FITD) theory is this:

Ron likes Hermione
Hermione likes Harry
Harry likes a third party or noone

You know (The farmer in the dell, The farmer in the dell, Hi-ho, the
derry-o, The farmer in the dell.
The farmer takes a wife, The farmer takes a wife, Hi-ho, the derry-o,
The farmer takes a wife.
blah blah blah
The rat takes the cheese, The rat takes the cheese, Hi-ho, the derry-o,
The rat takes the cheese.
The cheese stands alone, The cheese stands alone, Hi-ho, the derry-o,
The cheese stands alone.)

Yeah, I did have to look up the actual rhyme but I knew the gist of it.
<g>

NY Times -- Thanks Heidi for that link!!!  And, thanks to Voicelady for
her support!!  Now, if I could just persuade Voicelady & our other
NY'ers to go meet face to face with Mr. McGrath . .  .

> Trina (who relates to Hermione beyond belief)
>
Me too Trina!!!

Penny




The wife takes a child,
The wife takes a child,
Hi-ho, the derry-o,




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From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Thu Aug 31 20:26:20 2000
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 31 Aug 2000 13:26:20 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Harry Potter Moments & Various Things
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No: HPFGUIDX 643

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From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 20:48:25 2000
From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Harry Potter Moments & Various Things
Message-ID: <20000831204825.16017.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 644


--- voicelady at mymailstation.com wrote:
> I'm
> quite petite and I also look like I'm about half my age.  It's
> often quite frustrating, because strangers tend to patronize
> me and not take me seriously.  Acting-wise, it's great,
> because I get all those teenager parts!  However in real life,
> well, you get my point... <VBG>
> 


Boy, do I!  I'm 32, and if I were an actress with a British
accent, I'd still make a viable 6th or 7th year Hermione!


Melanie
(whose hair is both bushy and curly)

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From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 20:57:49 2000
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:57:49 -0000
Subject: (Classical influence, Latin)...was Confused on Herm. Pronuncitation
In-Reply-To: <8old09+5n71@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8omgsd+pu31@eGroups.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 645

I agree. I take Latin and I really find it a fasincating subject, 
that should in my opinion be required.  In fact it was HP that has 
really made me interested in learning it.  

Of course Lupin's name is derived from latin, but I'm confused w/ the 
pronunction of Remus - is it RAY-mus or REE-mus ?  

As for Hermione I used to say it (wince) HER-a-mean....but I can't 
figure out where I got it from. 

Scott  



 
 I've loved greek and roman 
literature since the 7th grade, 
My Latin teacher told us that in Latin and Greek you really can't go 
> far wrong if you sound out absolutely every vowel.  Some consonents 
> go together - th, ph, sh, st, etc. etc. but vowels have their own 
> sounds and are almost never silent.  Miss Strauss (an Austrian lady 
> teaching Latin in an English girls school) would be amazed that I 
> remembered anything she said for five minutes let alone 35 years!
> 
> If the Harry Potter books have demonstrated anything, they have 
shown 
> me that it's about time Latin and Greek came back onto the school 
> curriculum if only for a few lessons as part of a history course.  
> 
> Now I've started humming the song of the tortoise (Carmina Testudo) 
> which goes to John Brown's Body - I'll never get that out of my 
head 
> today.
> 
> Pam




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Aug 31 21:08:32 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:08:32 +0100
Subject: House Points and Cup
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEKGCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

No: HPFGUIDX 646

"Speaking of which, is it just me, or is the point system at Hogwarts really
whacked?  I mean, Harry got 60 points for getting the Sorceror's Stone, and
Ron and Hermione each got 50.  Then Harry and Ron each got 200 points for
the Chamber of Secrets stuff.  What kind of scale is this?  Shouldn't
Hermione be demanding to see some sort of written guidelines?"

Lets see, can I justify this imbalance in points?

In CoS they saved the life of a person (Ginny) whereas this was not the case
in PS.
In PS the points were awarded to give the opportunity for Neville to play a
part in winning the house cup.
In PS they knew, to a certain extent, what they were up against. In CoS they
only had the note from Hermione to warn them as to what they might face.
Does Hermione even know how many points were awarded for the Chamber
heroics? At the time she was being revived and at the feast the celebration
was over the defeat of Tom Riddle and the Basilisk. Points would not have
been an important issue.
The house cup has become less important through the series. It was hardly
mentioned in GoF but was almost the most important thing in PS.

That is all I can think of at the moment!

Simon (the plumber and fencing person)




From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 21:40:55 2000
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise )
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:40:55 -0000
Subject: Classical influence, Latin..(was Confused on Herm. Pronunciation)
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No: HPFGUIDX 647

Scott wrote:  

<<I agree. I take Latin and I really find it a fasincating subject, 
that should in my opinion be required.  In fact it was HP that has 
really made me interested in learning it.>>

Oh, Latin is the BEST subject (apart from Greek!).  It's great for 
learning and understanding how grammar works, for widening 
vocabulary, it makes it easy to learn any Romance language, you get 
to read some amazing literature and it means that you can understand 
most of the names and spells in HP!      

<< Of course Lupin's name is derived from latin, but I'm confused w/ 
the pronunction of Remus - is it RAY-mus or REE-mus ?>>  

It's REE-mus, definitely.  

~Blaise.  




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 23:02:23 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:02:23 -0000
Subject: A Very HP Day--Two *Cute* HP Moments
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No: HPFGUIDX 648

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Warmsley" <warmsley at b...> wrote:
> > .... I listened to Chris reiterate the Farmer
> in the
> > Dell theory as if he thought it was the weirdest and most
> original
> > idea he'd ever had in his life.
> 
> The what when with a who?
> 
> Farmer in the Dell?

Oh, I forgot that the FAQs aren't up.  I'm too weary to post all the 
details of the prevailing ship theory among the 500 or so HP fans-
slash-students at our school... I dubbed it "Farmer in the Dell" and 
with any luck it'll end up in the pairings FAQ.

Basic idea:  to quote JKR, "everyone falls for the wrong person".  
Note:  The lunch conversation that led to the formation of this 
theory may be the first time in recorded history when a bunch of 
adolescents in remedial English gave their teacher a homework 
assignment.  ;)

There are also other theories I'm starting to hear about Bagman, 
Krum, and the Pensieve sequence.  So we grown folks aren't the only 
ones taking tidbits from GoF and running with them.  ;)
 
> But cute stories.  

Thanks.  I thought so too.  Just had to share.  And if I didn't share 
them here, where else would I share them?  My loved ones are HP-
phobic.  :(

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 23:12:12 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:12:12 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Moments & Various Things
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No: HPFGUIDX 649

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, voicelady at m... wrote:
> 
> Actually I would, if there weren't a slight problem with my 
appearance.  Not that there's anything wrong with me, but I'm quite 
petite and I also look like I'm about half my age.  It's often quite 
frustrating, because strangers tend to patronize me and not take me 
seriously.  Acting-wise, it's great, because I get all those teenager 
parts!  However in real life, well, you get my point... <VBG>


Oh, poor Voicelady!  I can relate.  I often am mistaken for a student 
on school spirit days--remember, I'm at a middle school, *not* a high 
school!  The only way I've found around this is to wear makeup and 
always dress as professionally as I can.

I *always* get carded.  What makes this even more embarassing is that 
my younger sister (who at 20 is three years younger) never gets 
carded.  No one can believe that I'm the oldest in the family from 
appearance alone.  

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From bel_imperia at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 31 23:10:13 2000
From: bel_imperia at btinternet.com (Alix Petty)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:10:13 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Pronunciation guide online
References: <00c701c01378$86399da0$0100000a@joywelan>
Message-ID: <00be01c013a0$e6f9ce80$8466063e@oemcomputer>

No: HPFGUIDX 650


----- Original Message -----
From: - Joy - <joy0823 at earthlink.net>
To: HPforGrownups <hpforgrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:23 PM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Pronunciation guide online


>
> I'm a little sorry in a way that I read the pronunciation guide.  All this
> time, I've been pronouncing Voldemort with a hard t,

I had a bizarre thought about this today - what if the French pronounciation
is
pretention on the part of Voldemort, and all the good guys call him
Voldemort (those that are brave enough to say it, that is) and all the black
hats call him Voldemore, pandering to his vanity.  I once saw a production
of Cymbeline where this tactic was used to great comic effect with
Cloten/Clotten.  Could make for a few comic moments in the film - unlikely,
I know, but the thought of it amused me for a few minutes today - mind you,
would anyone have the time to deliberately mispronounce his name while
trying to dodge Avada Kedavra?  Plus, hardly anyone uses his name,
anyway...oh, well, just something that came to me when out driving today.

Alix





From jickndim at garden.net  Thu Aug 31 23:28:33 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:28:33 -0000
Subject: Ludo Bagman's name
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No: HPFGUIDX 651

Thank you for a much more complete and literate definition of 'bagman'

Jim


--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> According to my dictionary, a 'bagman' is "a collector of money for
> racketeers".  This goes way back to the early gangster/mob crime 
days
> (l920's?) here in the USA.  The bagman either collected the weekly 
bribe
> money from businessmen who were being "protected" (meaning 
exploited) by the
> big local crime boss; or he collected the profits from local illegal
> gambling establishments and delivered them to boss headquarters; or 
in some
> instances he was the person who held on to stolen goods until they 
could be
> disposed of, hence the phrase  "he was left holding the bag" means 
someone
> who was caught doing something wrong while his cohorts excaped 
scot-free.




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 23:30:59 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:30:59 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups]  Why It's Great to Be a Woman 
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Message-ID: <006201c013a3$86f257c0$a6cdd2cc@neo.rr.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 652

Why It's Great to Be a Woman 

1. We got off the Titanic first. 
2. We can scare male bosses with mysterious gynecological disorder excuses. 
3. We've never lusted after a cartoon character or the central figure in a computer game. 
4. Taxis stop for us. 
5. We don't look like a frog in a blender when dancing.
6. No fashion faux pas we make could ever rival The Speedo. 
7. We don't have to fart to amuse ourselves. 
8. If we forget to shave, no one has to know. 
9. We can congratulate our teammate without ever touching her butt. 



Now, before you're why did she post that, it's #3 that caught my eye, you know....  (Sirius, Lupin....grins)

:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott 
  To: HPforGrownups at egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:57 PM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] (Classical influence, Latin)...was Confused on Herm. Pronuncitation



       My Groups | HPforGrownups Main Page | Start a new group!  


  I agree. I take Latin and I really find it a fasincating subject, 
  that should in my opinion be required.  In fact it was HP that has 
  really made me interested in learning it.  

  Of course Lupin's name is derived from latin, but I'm confused w/ the 
  pronunction of Remus - is it RAY-mus or REE-mus ?  

  As for Hermione I used to say it (wince) HER-a-mean....but I can't 
  figure out where I got it from. 

  Scott  




  I've loved greek and roman 
  literature since the 7th grade, 
  My Latin teacher told us that in Latin and Greek you really can't go 
  > far wrong if you sound out absolutely every vowel.  Some consonents 
  > go together - th, ph, sh, st, etc. etc. but vowels have their own 
  > sounds and are almost never silent.  Miss Strauss (an Austrian lady 
  > teaching Latin in an English girls school) would be amazed that I 
  > remembered anything she said for five minutes let alone 35 years!
  > 
  > If the Harry Potter books have demonstrated anything, they have 
  shown 
  > me that it's about time Latin and Greek came back onto the school 
  > curriculum if only for a few lessons as part of a history course.  
  > 
  > Now I've started humming the song of the tortoise (Carmina Testudo) 
  > which goes to John Brown's Body - I'll never get that out of my 
  head 
  > today.
  > 
  > Pam


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From jickndim at garden.net  Thu Aug 31 23:39:50 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:39:50 -0000
Subject: Hermione pronunciation
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No: HPFGUIDX 653

Doesn't anybody in this group remember Hermione Gingold a British 
actress who had a major supporting role in 'Gigi' and well as the 
Broadway musical of "A Little Night Music" by Stephan Sondheim??? 
She was as big in the US as in the UK.  Nobody had trouble with 
Hur-MY-oh-nee way back then in the good old days.

Jim




From Ellimist15 at aol.com  Thu Aug 31 23:46:51 2000
From: Ellimist15 at aol.com (Ellimist15 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:46:51 EDT
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Hermione pronunciation
Message-ID: <8f.a5c74.26e0486b@aol.com>

No: HPFGUIDX 654

I found it rather amusing that actress Hermione Baddley had a small role in the TV show "Bewitched". It's probably just a coincidence, though.

Ellie
(BTW, this is my first posting. Glad to be here!)

In a message dated Thu, 31 Aug 2000  7:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jim Hohman" <jickndim at garden.net> writes:


Doesn't anybody in this group remember Hermione Gingold a British 
actress who had a major supporting role in 'Gigi' and well as the 
Broadway musical of "A Little Night Music" by Stephan Sondheim??? 
She was as big in the US as in the UK.  Nobody had trouble with 
Hur-MY-oh-nee way back then in the good old days.

Jim


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From jickndim at garden.net  Thu Aug 31 23:46:29 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:46:29 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Moments & Various Things
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No: HPFGUIDX 655

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, voicelady at m... wrote:
> On Thu, 31 August 2000, Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote:
> 
> > And, thanks to Voicelady for her support!!  Now, if I could just 
persuade Voicelady & our other NY'ers to go meet face to face with
Mr. 
McGrath . .  .
> 
> Actually I would, if there weren't a slight problem with my 
appearance.  Not that there's anything wrong with me, but I'm quite 
petite and I also look like I'm about half my age.  It's often quite 
frustrating, because strangers tend to patronize me and not take me 
seriously.  Acting-wise, it's great, because I get all those teenager 
parts!  However in real life, well, you get my point... <VBG>
> 
> voicelady
> 
----I'm an hour outside of NYC, I'm older and I'm tall.  We could
make 
a team.  Especially if a few others in the area came along.  Actually 
I think letter writing is the strongest suit, especially letters 
pointing out how ridiculous the Times will look in years to come when 
the HP series comes into its own and is recognized for the phenomenon 
it is.  But if anyone gets anything together in the way of a 
face-to-face I will be happy to add my presence.

Jim 

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From jickndim at garden.net  Thu Aug 31 23:56:00 2000
From: jickndim at garden.net (Jim Hohman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:56:00 -0000
Subject: The volume of postings here
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No: HPFGUIDX 656

OHMYGAWD!  I just caught up.   After four days I am actually current 
with the postings.  That is until tomorrow.  Jim