[HPforGrownups] Re: Little comments on Dumbledore, Lily and James, etc.

[Firebolt]

No: HPFGUIDX 7984

Gack, I didn't word myself properly, my fault. What I was trying to say is
that Dumbledore could easily die because even though he actually does know
that Dumbledore isn't a superhuman, he tends to think that Dumble has the
answer to everything; remember that in PoA, Harry was shocked because he
thought that Dumbledore didn't know how to save Sirius - until he told
Hermione to use the Time Turner. So in order for Harry to 'grow up', as it
were, something a bit more drastic than what's already happened needs to
happen - and one way is for Dumbledore to die. Did I clarify myself, or only
get more confusing?

~Firebolt

naama wrote:

> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, Firebolt <particle at u...> wrote:
> > Charmian wrote:
> >
> >
> > IMHO, Dumbledore *has* to die, or in any case
> > somehow lose his omnipotence. Harry depends on him too much - he's
> never
> > going to become mature enough and strong enough for a final
> showdown with
> > Voldemort if deep down he's thinking that as long as Dumbledore's
> there,
> > everything will be all right.
>
> Why, oh, why does everyone here think that Dumbledore is a gonner?
> The argument that Harry "needs" Dumbledore to die so he can mature
> and so on is very unconvincing, IMO.  For one thing, Harry has
> already realized that Dumbledore isn't omnipotent - when he couldn't
> save Sirius; and that he's not omniscient - when he admitted that he
> never knew about MWPP the whole time. You don't have to kill the
> father in order to let the son become a man. A much better way is to
> have the son become a man through accepting his father's fallibility.
> In the Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf plays a very similar role
> Dumbledore does in HP, he does not die at the end. He stays alive to
> orchestrate the downfall of Mordor and save Frodo and Sam (and the
> others). I don't present this as proof, of course, but just to show
> that Dumbledore dying is not structurally necessary .
>
> Naama
>
>
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