[HPforGrownups] Re: And the winner is George W. Voldemort (OT)

Wed Nov 8 16:58:30 UTC 2000

No: HPFGUIDX 5406

Commentary throughout the message, unlike my normal style!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer" <pennylin at swbell.net>
To: <HPforGrownups at egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 8:29 AM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: And the winner is George W. Voldemort (OT)

> Hi --
>
> I'm going with this OT thread because this is so damn historic.  Just
> put OT in your subject lines so that people who are so inclined
> (particularly the Brits who may not care at all) can delete emails.  I
> went to sleep at about 11:00 our time, being the pg person that I am --
> baby was demanding that her mommy get some rest.  But, even in
> quasi-sleep, I sort of could halfway see my husband neurotically
> flipping from channel to channel.  I finally woke up at 1:30, got a
> snack & we sat up until they declared Florida for Bush.  We cursed and
> lamented for awhile & went to bed, thinking that at least we'll get a
> new governor out of this.  Imagine our surprise (and delight!!!  Dare we
> hope!!) when we wake up & discover that it's all being recounted in FL.
>
> I've got to say -- this is SO reminiscent of what we in Texas still
> refer to as the "Stolen Election" in 1948 (LBJ and those ballot boxes in
> a couple of counties in So Texas).  As my husband said this morning, Jeb
> Bush better have a clean nose in all of this.  It smacks of fraud
> already.  I haven't heard anyone say why the networks all declared FL
> for Gore at 8:00 p.m. EST and then retracted it 2 hrs later.
>
> Gore is winning the popular vote count, even if Bush takes the electoral
> vote in FL.  Amazing!!!
>

+Thanks Penny for not vetoing the thread!  I am still sitting here,
jittering, like I was awaiting the results of a pregnancy test!

> heidi wrote:
>
> > OT reporting from Miami Dade County, Florida, the epicenter of
> > fingerbiting.
> >
> > I just want to explain to all of you what it's like to be a resident
> > of Miami, Dade County, Florida, this morning.  The difference between
> > the votes is about 500.  500 out of almost six million votes.
> > No pundits can ever remember something like this happening before
> > (although, of course, we're still waiting to recieve some of the
> > overseas ballots) My vote really counted. So did the 3 votes from the
> > first time voters who my brother brought to the polls.
>
> Yes, if nothing else this election should convince all apathetic voters
> (most particularly that most apathetic of all voting groups, the young
> adults between 18-25) that their vote COUNTS.
>
> > And I hate Ralph Nadar in many horrible ways because without him, Gore
> > would have won Florida (according, again, to the exit polls)
>
> I CURSE Ralph Nader & his supporters.  If Dubya wins this thing, it's
> their fault.  You couldn't ask for a more environmentally-friendly
> President than Gore, but instead we'll be stuck with someone who's
> against ratification of the treaty on global warming & plans to drill in
> protected areas in Alaska.  That's just the tip of the iceberg I'm
> sure.  I hope the Nader supporters are all very happy with themselves.
>

+I admit to liking Nader.  I just knew there wasn't a chance in H*ll of him
winning, and if he took the presidency away from Bush, that was a big no-no!
Hence, my uncounted vote for Gore.  Actually, it's not that uncounted.  For
a local example, here in Stark County, Ohio -- Al Gore:73,417 and Bush
76,451.  (Again, we are the most straight-laced bunch of people.....grrrr.
I have to move to California.  At least they know who to vote for!)  (Note:
Nader:3,940 {73,417+3,940=77,357}, Phillips: 187, Browne: 411
{Unfortuneately, many people never got a chance to hear about this guy--he
had some good ideas!},Hagelin:  212, Buchanan {Ick}: 1,453)

> Vivienne wrote:
>
> > Certainly the American pagan/wiccan community have no reason to feel
> > good about Bush's election as when directly questioned about such issues
> >
> > he was empathic about not recognizing witchcraft as a religion.
> > What this means in any real terms is debatable. One man's recognition
> > or lack of recognition may not actually effect the First Amendment
> > Rights that Americans enjoy but such a strong stand on this very minor
> > issue (in terms of the bigger picture) is of concern to the
> > international pagan/magical community.
> >
> Where it matters Vivienne is in the *life-time* appointments of justices
> to our Supreme Court.  *They* have (more or less) the final word on
> interpreting the Constitution, including our Bill of Rights.  The Court
> has been in a rather fragile centrist state for some years now due to
> all the Reagan appointments in the 1980s.  If Dubya should get the
> chance to make more appointments, bye bye abortion rights, bye bye
> freedom of religion, bye bye gun control measures, bye bye gay rights,
> bye bye to lots & lots of other civil liberties.
>

+EXACTLY!  And he is command in chief--doesn't that mean he can make policy
in the military?
> Susan wrote:
>
> > I should have moved to Florida, and offered my hot tubs and massages
> > there.
> >
> Thanks for delivering Michigan anyway!  :--)  It wasn't even remotely
> close in my home state!!
>
> Penny
>
>

+I wish I could have delivered Ohio to Gore.  Sighs.  Then Florida wouldn't
have mattered (We have 21 e-votes).

Am I the only one who thinks the E-college needs to be looked at to
determine if it's still a good idea?  Not saying we should go with popular
vote alone (that would mean the smaller populated states would be outvoted
by Calie or Ohio, or Texas most times), just that it needs examined like a
pain in the neck?

Ok, enough rant.  And yes, I got a whopping 4 hours of sleep -- the last was
mainly trying to get my son to go back to sleep, but I was still under the
covers so I am counting it....  and of course, he's full of Tigger-energy
today!

Time to get back to reading emails again.....

:)

Dee (who is happy for her twinkle-twinkle-little star wished for recount!)

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com