Justice/Child raising

[heidi tandy]

No: HPFGUIDX 5925

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, foxmoth at q... wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, heidi <heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a...> 
wrote:
> 	Since both Ron and Hermione are shocked to learn that Sirius 
was 
> sentenced without trial, I assumed there *is* a right to trial in 
the 
> wizarding world. GOF(27) I suspect the Ministry declared a state of 
> emergency and imposed the wizard equivalent of martial law. 

That would be a good possibility - it would allow them to jail people 
without trials - but they *did* give trials to others at the same 
time, and generally when martial law is lifted, those who were 
imprisoned without trials are then  given the trials that they "lost" 
the right to in the first round, and that doesn't sound like what 
happened to sirius. 

> 	Or it could be that Sirius and others were considered insane 
and 
> therefor not competent to stand trial.

But if you're found to be insane, then (at least in the US, which is 
based on teh same standard of insanity as the UK (stems from a UK 
case where some guy tried to kill the prime minister about 100 years 
ago)) you go to a mental institution, not to prison (like luicus in 
cassandra's fanfic Draco Sinister). 

>	Pippin, who is not a lawyer and could be talking complete 
nonsense here.

not a bit! 

Rita wrote:

> If the older generation e.g. Frank Longbottom and
> his wife, were 
> raised by severe and demanding, altho' loving,
> [Victorian style] 
> parents (obituaries of Dr. Spock the baby book man
> including readings 
> from the baby books that existed before he wrote
> his. Quotes about 
> the sickening sentimentality of parents who cuddle
> their babies, 
> which even the most mawkish parent would not do if
> only he/she knew 
> that he/she was softening up the child so that
> he/she would not be 
> tough enough to endure the rigors of adult life, and
> that was post- 
> Victorian), why did they come out competent and
> popular? 

I've got a book written by a woman named Christina Hardeyment called 
Dream Babies, which summarises child raising books and philosophies 
from the 1600's through 1980(!) (it's at home, not here so I am just 
summarizing from memory) - and things really did go in cycles. At 
some times, it was considered bad (especially among the upper 
classes) to show affection for children, to rock them to sleep, to 
cuddle them or praise them (apart from a little praise allowed for 
things like sports) - and this resulted in children who had a lack of 
what psychologists call "affect" - in other words, dampened emotions 
and feelings, and a hard time relating to other people (possible 
example in the books, Draco, of course) - but at other times, mothers 
were criticised if the babe wasn;t in someone's arms all the time 
(either the mother's or a nurse's) and it was important for the child 
to be praised and coddled and swaddled and kept in rooms with wide 
open windows that he could ride his rocking horse in front of, but 
the children started learning to read and such at the age of 3, and 
were expected to read things like Shakespeare at age 7 or 8 (of 
course, this could be another possible explanation for Malfoy's 
personality, isn't it?). 
One of the things she really tried to show in her book is that 
strictness in things like manners, deportment and learning does NOT 
mean a lack of affection showed by the parent to the child. Both of 
those attitudes can coexist.