snape and dumbledore

[storm stanford]

No: HPFGUIDX 2111

> I don't think dumbledore is single.I think he and snape are cosy 
buddies who care for each other very much 

when I first advanced this theory I was just joking. But in the last few days I have come to be attatched to it. so here is a half assed attempt to defend it.

Rita said "I very much doubt that Snape and Dumbledore are a couple, because 
Snape (whom, we all know, doesn't bother to conceal his feelings)"

Snape doesn't bother to conceal some of his feelings, this doesn't mean all of them, or even that he is portaying his real feelings (remember when he ref'ed the Quiditch match and all the teachers thought it was because he wanted Gryffindor to lose - maybe ppls assumtions about his behaviour/motives mean they read things that are not there) 

"For political correctness, I don't want to make Snape gay, because he 
is such a nasty guy, a bad image, but for literary correctness, his 
nastiness could result ffrom his bitterness and his bitterness COULD 
result from being a gay person with intense internalized homophobia"

I'm a dyke - I never thought of this. Gay ppl can be nasty too internalised homophiobia or not (of course, I'm one of the nice ones!)

susan said "Interesting. It's pretty clear that JKR has a blind spot about same 
gender relationships, so I doubt that Snape and Dumbledore are intimate."

I would argue that JKR is writing a book aimed at both children and adults and that I can't see any realisitc adult realtionships in this book - remember our discussion about Molly's passion or otherwise for Aurthur (and vice versa I hope).  We don't see those things because the adult relationships are 1. window dressing to the main action - Harry and his friends.
and 2. difficult to portray in a way that keeps them suitable for the under 12s.

"although I have to admit that having Gilderoy Lockhart turn  out to be gay would be amusing, given all the women who fawned over him"

yes, that would be funny, and so true to life - I'm thinking Rock Hudson, Peter Allen and so on

Now I think that its clear from what Dumbledore has said that he formed an adult (not sex, a more equal vs teacher relationship) with Lily and James and some of their peers. As we have also discussed JKR has not given any of the teachers a visible personal life (which makes the Hooch/Macgonagall theory advanced by someone a long time ago just as likely as Hooch/Flint). 

It strikes me that Dumbledore would one of the few ppl who would not want to control every aspect of his partner's personality - or to see his partner's actions as automatically a reflection on himself. Thus I can see him being able to appreciate Severious's qualities and be able to be accepting of Servious's more horrid actions

as for how Servious treats Draco. Well I hope they are not going to have an affair - this does *not* do it for me. I see it more that ppl do often have blind spots, favoruites that appear at odds with other aspects of their personalities so I guess I just put it in to that. (can't think of another RL example here and I'm tired so off to bed)

storm
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  From: Rita Winston 
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  Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 2:15 AM
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  --- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "storm stanford" <msmacgoo at h...> 
  wrote:



  is never seen fawning on Dumbledore. He is, however, often seen 
  fawning on Draco (which is the S/D I could believe in). We don't 
  really know why Snape makes such a pet of Draco, whether simply 
  because he is a Slytherin who is good at Potions, or in order to 
  curry favor with Lucius, or because he hates Harry, or my friend Lee 
  urged me to write an S/D to explain this favoritism. I believe that 
  is not a complete explanation: Draco is a handsome blond, but when he 
  first arrives at school, he is *only eleven* -- not hardly grown 
  enough to fall in love with him for  his looks! Except, since he 
  looks like little Lucius, if it were a side-effect of being in love 
  with Lucius.


  -- while the variant of the Snape-loved-James theory that attributes 
  Snape's hostility to James having rebuffed Snape's tentative and 
  inept advances is just fine, another variant attributes Snape's 
  hostility to James making him feel lusts that he is trying very hard 
  not to feel. An affair with Draco (a few years ahead, when Draco is 
  older) might turn both of them into nicer people.

  Mention has been made of the fanfic 'Draco Dormiens', which I enjoyed 
  very much. The author not only came up with an unusually plausible 
  way to turn Draco to the Light Side, but the reformed Draco (the 
  characters are all age 16 in this story) is, if not the sexiest thing 
  on two legs, at any rate sexier than anyone under the age of consent 
  (which is 18 here is California) has any right to be. Blond good 
  looks, vicious tongue, strong ability to conceal his true emotions, 
  and far more insight into what make people tick psychologically 
  than *I* had at 16! Are any of the older 'girls' on this list
  reminded of Ilya Kuryakin?


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