Ron and the Dark Side

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Hello again!

Penny wrote:
> Ron betraying Harry UNintentionally IMO is not a possibility because
> I really cannot see any scenario in which this could occur.

I bet JKR *could* come up with something though.  If that's the way 
she
chose to take the books. :--)

I bet JKR *could* too. She is the master of inventiveness :-). But I 
have faith in JKR (and Ron <g>) and IMO she won't take the books 
there :)

Penny wrote:
Harry wades into danger without giving it alot of thought.  That's
true.  But, Ron has a tendency to pass judgment quickly, leap to
ill-considered conclusions (others have said, he said alot of really
illogical & stupid things in GoF, trying to be noticed, trying to draw
attention to himself).  I think it's possible that if the Dark Side
targeted him and knew his weaknesses, he could unintentionally fall 
into
their trap through carelessness.  I'm not saying Hermione is 
absolutely
immune from the same thing, but honestly, if you were a DE who knew 
the
both of them, which one would you say was more vulnerable to
manipulation?  I know which one I'd pick.

IMO Harry has shown just as much impetuousness in passing judgement 
quickly, leaping to ill-considered conclusions as Ron has. What I was 
saying was that these traits are not solely bound to Ron. Harry DOES 
have them too, or else we'd have a pretty boring series <g> and so 
does Hermione IMO. Hermione, as smart as she is is not infallible. I 
can just as easily see Hermione betraying Harry UNintentionally due 
to misinformation she may have gotten, but do I think she is a 
potentional DE or betrayer or that this will happen? Not on your 
life! If Ron has weaknesses so do Harry and Hermione and all three 
can be targeted by the Dark side for manipulation based on those 
weakenesses. Being hot-headed, hot-tempered, leaping to the wrong 
conclusion is not Ron's sole perogative. These traits do not 
automatically mean that 'he could unintentionally fall into their 
trap through carelessness'. But once again I want to point out that 
he has had these weaknesses from book 1 and in all four books he has 
NOT betrayed Harry intentionally or otherwise and his loyalty HAS 
been tested. :)

Penny wrote:
> But I haven't heard anyone seriously consider HARRY as being a
> candidate for unintentional going over to the Dark side due to his
> impulsiveness.

I'm not arguing that anyone would *go over to the Dark Side* because 
of
impulsiveness.  That makes no sense.  I'm saying that impulsiveness &
rash judgments could cause Ron to fall unwittingly into the hands of 
the
Dark Side. Falling into a trap is not at all the same thing as
affirmatively taking action to *go over to* the other side.

I agree. Falling into a trap IS not the same thing as affirmatively 
taking action to *go over to * the other side. The key point of my 
comment about Harry was the UNINTENTIONAL part. 'Going over to the 
Dark Side' was not well worded by me. Your wording of 'going over to 
the Dark Side because of impulsiveness' is what I meant to say :). I 
see Harry as being AS impulsive and AS capable of making rash 
judgements as Ron but I don't think that this will cause either of 
them to fall 'unwittingly into the hands of the Dark Side'. :-)

I have faith in JKR :-) 

Firoza