Wolsfbane - Fudge - Draco's Marks - Snape, Snape, Snape

[Catlady]

No: HPFGUIDX 17325

Monika wrote:
> Lupin must take the wolfsbane potion over a period of time
> to keep his mind during that one night, he still transforms
> into a wolf, but he is harmless.

I can't figure out from canon how often (during the 'the week, preceding
the
full moon') Lupin has to take the Wolfsbane Potion. I don't understand
why it is named Wolfsbane Potion -- if it is made out of Wolfsbane, why
isn't it poisonous to werewolves, and if it is not made out of
Wolfsbane, why isn't named Wolfsblessing Potion instead, being as how it
HELPS the poor werewolves. I further don't understand why Lupin took
sick leave the day before his transformation but apparently  not the day
after, considering that he is exhausted and worn out the day after...

Hallie wrote:
> assuming Fudge was MoM at the time of Lily and James' death,

While I agree with you that MoM was pretty inadequate during the
Voldemort years, but (as listees pointed out to me when I had forgotten
it), Fudge said in the Three Broomsticks scene in PoA: " I was Junior
Minister in the Department of Magical Catastrophes at the time, and I
was one of the first on the scene after Black murdered all those
people."

Magda wrote:
> Personally I don't see anywhere in the books any sign that
> Draco values much besides his family name, social status
> and playing Quidditch.  Where is there even a hint that he
> is more than an average student?

In SS, in the first Potions lesson, Snape  "was just telling everyone to
look at the perfect way Malfoy had stewed his horned slugs" -- there has
been much argument on this list that Snape doesn't actually favor Draco
(altho' the sentence before one I just quoted says: "criticizing almost
everyone except Malfoy, whom he seemed to like") but only uses Draco as
a way to irritate Harry.  But I believe that Snape loves his Potions too
much to tell the other students to take a bad example as a good example
just to irritate Harry nor even to curry favor with Lucius. I grant that
that is the merest hint...

Meanwhile, the quote that always comes up on this topic is Lucius to
Draco at the beginning of CoS: "I would have thought you'd be ashamed
that a girl of no wizard family beat you in every exam," -- if Hermione
is the ONLY person who beat Draco in exams, he must be brighter than
suggested by his 'not very witty witticisms'  (yay, Naama!) and the
general idiocy of praising the Dark Lord's comeback out in public on the
Hogwarts Express

Hey, RHYSENN, you got in before me with the above!.

Lea MacLeod wrote:
> The great "break" in Snapes view of his own past and
> especially regarding his old enemies came at the end of
> PoA, not at the end of GoF, so we already *know* how
> Snape reacted to it: *not at all*.

Snape was unconscious during most of the great revelations in the
Shrieking Shack: he never saw Scabbers turn into Pettigrew and Pettigrew
escaped before Snape came to. Snape, altho' loathsome, was probably
sincere when he told Fudge: "Black had bewitched them, I saw it
immediately. A Confundus Charm, to judge by their behavior. They seemed
to think there was a possibility he was innocent. They weren't
responsible for their actions. On the other hand, their interference
might have permitted Black to escape.... They obviously thought they
were going to catch Black single-handed". At the end of PoA, Snape still
believes that Sirius was the traitor and mass murderer and that Lupin
was his ally. When does Snape find out different?

Magda wrote:
> Personally I don't think that Snape has discovered girls yet;
> his blasting the rosebushes activities during the Yule dance
> is so wonderfully in character as is his touching  belief that
> taking points away will deter them from finding other bushes.

Another possible interpretation is that he was blasting the rose bushes
just because they were there when he *wanted* to blast Karkaroff, and
that he took points off the rose-bush students simply out of spite,
rather than with any expectation of changing their behavior.

Altho', without being able to quote specific text from canon, it has
always been So Easy for me to read Snape as a person who is deeply in
denial about sexuality, which I reflexively assumed was the result of
being both gay and homophobic. In which case, it makes much sense that
he hasn't discovered girls yet, and he is unconsciously trying very hard
to avoid discovering boys.

Dinah wrote:
> The following theory can only be reasonable if we assume
> that the "one who has left us forever" comment of Voldemort
> wasn't directed at the absent Snape. Which raises the problem
> that Snape *was* at the DE meeting - which means he would
> have known that Lucius was there *and* saw everything that
> happened to Harry.

I am confused. Is there any reason to think that Snape was at the DE
meeting? Wouldn't his absence from the Triwizard audience have been
noticed? Even if Snape wasn't "the one who has left us forever" or the
coward or the loyal servant at Hogwarts, there were other spaces of
absent Death Eaters in the circle.

>  I mean, if Voldemort knows that Snape betrayed him,
> how can Malfoy not know?

If Voldemort knows that Snape betrayed him only from the reports that
Crouch Jr has presumably been sending him from Hogwarts, then Lucius
wouldn't' know until V or Pettigrew told him. V and Pettigrew might not
tell Lucius everything they know. If V knew that S had betrayed him
because once he is re-embodied the Dark Mark tells him all about the
person it marks, then probably even Pettigrew doesn't know.

> My "theorie" (which is based on opinion and my
> imagination, since there are little facts given) is that
> Lucius doesn't know that Severus spied for Dumbledore.

I find this possibility better for dramatic plots, but it conflicts with
the theory that Snape has to hide out at Hogwarts (and not even go to
Hogsmeade) for protection against vengeful DEs.

> I think Lucius was a "friend" (yeah, great friend) of Severus
> back in Hogwarts and the most important reason why he joined
>the death-eaters.

I agree, except I think that Lucius left Hogwarts at least slightly
before Severus's time there, so the 'friendship' began when Severus left
school and joined the adult world.

> I don't see Snape as the violent kill-and-torture-them-all
> all about killing and torturing and hadn't really to do with
> principles he left the DEs and started to spy for Dumbledore

I agree.

> We could assume - of course - that he was so blinded
> by this friendship (we don't even know truly exists) that
> he thought Lucius had given up on his radical ideology.

In SS, Ron tells Harry that Lucius disowned V immediately that he was
out of power, that Lucius claimed he had been bewitched by V, and that
Arthur doesn't believe that claim. Apparently Fudge does believe it, and
I like to believe that Severus is deluded into believing it by his own
wishful thinking.

Lea wrote:
>>assume that the "one who  has left us forever" comment
>>of Voldemort wasn't directed at the absent Snape.
> At who else?

Some people have argued that it was Karkaroff who 'has left us forever',
which would leave the 'coward' space open for Bagman or for someone we
don't even suspect yet..
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