[HPforGrownups] HP & the Bible; Abanes Discussions

Tue Apr 24 21:00:54 UTC 2001

No: HPFGUIDX 17588

Penny I agree with you! I love these books and I consider all the members as
family! Sorry about the confusion with Dave as moderator. But you and the
real moderators are like the older brothers and sisters of the group in a
matter of speech only.  You , all of you, keep the whole group right on
track as it should be. Fans of HP! I personally will not get that book end
of subject there! Hope you are fine and that you have your baby soon. Relax
you need it. My family is behind this group all the way. From a HP fanatic
and proud to be one!
Wanda the Witch in Revere
----- Original Message -----
From: "Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer" <pennylin at swbell.net>
To: "HPforGrownups" <HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 3:34 PM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP & the Bible; Abanes Discussions


> Hi everyone --
>
> Well, you get at least one more post from me before I disappear for
> awhile ....
>
> I've read through the posts from this morning & early afternoon.  I have
> a few points to make:
>
> 1.  Mr. Abanes -- you just indicated that the tone of your posts was not
> rude or sarcastic (you ascribed that to "someone named Doreen").  You
> might want to take a look at the post titled Abanes Answers Witch
> (#17550).  You were responding to John Walton's post, and indeed, your
> response is arguably rude & sarcastic in tone at different points.  You
> indicated yesterday evening that the forum is for *adults* and you asked
> that we debate with you in a rational manner.  That is all well & good.
> But, you should remember that typing in all CAPS is rude (common
> netiquette rule).  It is considered the equivalent of screaming.
>
> Remarks such as "You do have your head in the sand, don't you?"  and
> "Ok, so now we suddenly know what divination is?" are unnecessarily rude
> or sarcastic.  Remarks such as "pa-leese" also don't add to your case
> for a rational debate.  In other words, you set the tone for messages
> that followed that were perhaps not as polite to you as you might have
> hoped.  But, you cannot expect that we will be polite & courteous to
> you, while allowing you to speak in a sarcastic or rude manner to us.
> In other words, please get the tone of the debates back on track by
> employing a more politic manner yourself (you might want to review our
> Netiquette Guidelines -- in the Files area).
>
> 2.  Please take note that this is a friendly but diverse group of
> adults.  We are Christians, Jews, Muslims, pagans, Wiccans, no religion,
> etc.  We span the globe.  The common denominator is that we are *fans*
> of the HP books.  Someone has been asking you to please state your
> objective in discussing your book with us, and you have thus far
> declined to answer that question.  If your objective is to win converts
> & have all of us suddenly "see the light" and renounce the evil HP
> series, you have set yourself an impossible task.
>
> 3.  If your objective is to discuss your book with us, I would suggest
> that you solicit an interested group of members to continue the
> discussions off-list (or perhaps bring them back on-list).  At this
> point, I don't believe anyone other than Dave has purchased or read a
> copy of your book.  There might be a group of members who would be
> interested in buying your book & debating the contents with you.  At
> this point though, the debate is rather meaningless as none (or very
> few) of us have read it.
>
> You insinuated (quite strongly) in your message last night that *I* was
> not being very intellectual in simply taking Dave's opinion of your book
> at face value.  I would like to assure you that you mis-read my
> message.  You might have missed my point that the brick & mortar
> main-line bookstore chains in Houston do not appear to carry your book
> in-stock.  Ahem. This means I went to the trouble of *asking* the
> question of the bookstores.  I tried to find your book.  I checked the
> HP section, religious section & New in Nonfiction sections at 3
> different stores.  I asked the clerks -- none of the clerks queried had
> any idea what I was talking about.  In each case, when they looked it
> up, they said it was a title that they did not stock but could special
> order for me.
>
> I might still read your book as a point of intellectual curiosity.  I
> would, however, have preferred to pick up a copy at my local B&N or
> Borders & physically perused it first rather than ordering it sight
> unseen from amazon.  Reason: The reviews on amazon.com (both those who
> loved your book & gave it 5 stars & those who did not enjoy it so much),
> now coupled with Dave's post, had made me leery that it's something that
> I will find useful.  Now, I can add your posts to this group as yet
> another reason that I might not be eager to buy it sight unseen.  This
> doesn't mean I won't at some point -- but continued messages in a
> sarcastic high-handed manner are likely to put me off a bit.
>
> 4.  You might also want to take note that the members of this group are
> extraordinarily well-versed in the HP books.  Many of us can cite
> chapters & quotes without even checking the books.  And, we do enjoy a
> good debate.  We won't ban topics of discussion without good reason, but
> if the posts regarding a particular topic become unnecessarily
> contentious and tempers begin to flare, the Moderators may step in.
>
> I won't be around much in the next few days or longer, but I trust that
> the other Moderators are on top of this debate.
>
> Penny
>
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