[HPforGrownups] Wandless Magic

[princesskatie115 -]

No: HPFGUIDX 24664

Alfredo Ramirez (or JBwhich do you prefer?) wrote:

Actually, I don't think Dumbledore is actually doing magic here. I  get the 
feeling, that much like the food that appears and  disappears  on plates, 
this is actually done by house-elves simply obeying their  master's orders. 
After all, decorations and cleaning do seem to fall under the jurisdiction 
of our poor mistreated house-elves. :-)

And Rrishi wrote:
but I was guessing in the case of Tom that the fireplaces were charmed 
beforehand to light up when Tom snapped his fingers. Makes things easier, 
doesn't it?
Or, does practice enable a wizard or witch to do simple and very  familiar 
spells without the aid of a wand? But this is an old topic...

And Jackie B. Wrote:

So, while it could be that house elves were helping out, or that the 
fireplace was programmed to respond automatically, I believe it is also 
clear that certain types of wandless magic can and do occur. If you consider 
that the wand in part is used to focus magical energy then for me it seems 
reasonable that more accomplished wizards could train their mind to achieve 
some of this goal as well. IMO that would be a very useful tool in many 
situations.


Im choosing to believe that all  these points are logical. At this point I 
think Ill base my understanding of wandless magic on the idea that things 
can be charmed to work at the snap of a finger or various other commands, 
that house-elves help out, that you can practice until a spell is like 
second nature to you, and that very accomplished wizards can do lots of 
spells without their wands.

In GoFVoldemort is talking to the Death Eaters (chapter: The Death Eaters), 
and he says (and this time I dug out the book, so its an actual quote), 
for I had no body, and every spell which might have helped me required the 
use of a wand

I wonder what way I should take this Because it seems to me that it can be 
taken a few different ways. For instance:

a) There are spells that do not require wands, but they werent relevant to 
his needs.

b) He could not do magic, because he didnt have a wandperiod.

c) He wasnt powerful enough anymore to perform those spells without his 
wand, though he might have been able to at the height of his power.

d) He never was powerful enough to perform spells without wands. (But then 
again, I dont think Quirrell was, and he made ropes to tie up Harry appear 
out of thin air. I always thought that Voldemort was channeling his powers 
through Quirrell and that was why he could snap his fingers and make ropes 
appear.)

e) I would consider Voldemort an accomplished wizard, possibly as 
accomplished, or even as powerful as Dumbledore, who seems to exhibit the 
ability to do magic without a wand. Now, if he was indeed this powerful 
(according to the aforesaid theory that accomplished wizards could do spells 
without wands), what would it matter if he didnt have his body to work a 
wand with? He seemingly still has some magical essence (since I dont think 
that was sucked out of him by the rebounded curse), and should have been 
able to do those spells on his own anyway!  Right.?


Any thoughts??


Katie**
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