Expelling Wizardry Students - Death is Not Defeat - Major in Lupin, Minor in Sirius

[Rita Winston]

No: HPFGUIDX 24879

Barb wrote:

>  It seems to me that it  would be MORE dangerous
> to have people with magic in them receiving no 
> training or inadequate training in magic. (snip)
> While discipline is necessary at any school, IMO 
> no one should ever be expelled from Hogwarts 
> because what someone could do with less magical
> education is potentially far riskier than what 
> they might do with more.  Power without knowledge 
> or wisdom is a dangerous thing.

I gather that people who were expelled from Hogwarts aren't allowed to
have wands (e.g. Hagrid). Maybe they never expel a first-year student,
and they figure by the end of first year, they'll have the student so
brainwashed that heesh won't be able to do any magic without a wand.

And maybe young Remus would have studied with a private tutor if he
hadn't been allowed to go to Hogwarts.

(Brief non-canon theory: I believe that Remus's parents had a job that
involved living abroad, probably something to do with looking after
British wizarding tourists. That could be working for the British MoM
consulates, altho' I think they're working for some kind of travel or
tour agency. Anyway, that job had them living in Rome when Remus was
born, which is why they chose that name, and then transferred them to
Greece, where Remus was bitten at age 4. But there are a LOT of
werewolves in the Balkans and the people of the isolated old-fashioned
Greek wizarding village where the Lupins bought or built a small house
(where his father was a Sunday painter and his mother learned to spin
and weave and make cheese, altho' they bought the wool and sheep's milk
from their neighbors instead of raising their own sheep) had
knowledgeable sympathy for this family tragedy and taught the Lupins how
to tie up, chain, and lock up their werewolf before nightfall of full
moon night, while regaling them with anecdotes of Apostolos's uncle and
Aphrodite's father-in-law's grandfather, who also had been bitten, and
kept confined by their families, but each at some time escaped and had
to be killed in self-defense. Not cheerful, but not the kind of bigotry
Remus  experiences in Britain. *I* think there are only zero to four
werewolves in Britain in any generation, so people there are ignorant
enough about werewolves to believe Tom Riddle's lie about werewolf
cubs.)

Bente wrote:

> Kids reading these books want and expect 
> Harry to triumph over evil/Voldemort, not 
> to die fighting him, even if Voldemort dies,
> too. Where's the triumph in that? (snip)
> If Harry isn't left standing at the end, 
> so to speak, I for one will feel that the 
> whole series has been for naught.

I'm not a Christian but I have read J.R.R.Tolkien's essay ON FAIRY
STORIES, in which in he mentions that (what he considers) the greatest
of all stories (that of Christ) is not only true (in his opinion) but
has a happy ending. He would not agree that the hero dying (heroically)
to defeat evil and save all people is 'for naught'.

I don't expect JKR to kill Harry in Book 7, but I think it would be a
good literature thing to do. I do expect her to kill Remus quite soon,
and then I will cry and be hysterical.

Cindy wrote:

> First, when Harry has disarmed Sirius, he wants
> to kill him, but his nerve fails him.  But what 
> spell has Harry ever learned by that point that
> would equip him to kill someone?  I believe his 
> skill set is limited to Expelliarmus and minor 
> transfiguration.

Here is a reprint of my post #23967

1) Levitate something heavy and drop it on the victim from a height. 
(Similar to Ron levitating the troll's club and accidentally bashing 
the troll on the head with it).

2) Conjure up ropes (as we have seen various adult wizards to, to 
tie someone up), conjure them tied around the victim's neck, pull 
tight.

3) Conjure up a nice soft fluffy pillow and conjure it 
pressed over the victim's face.

4) Conjure up an ax and levitate it to whack the victim in the head.

5) Transfigure part of the wall of his aorta (that is the big artery 
that leaves the heart and soon splits into separate arteries toward 
the upper and lower body) into Kleenex (tm). Between the wetness of 
the blood it carries and the pressure of the blood it carries, the 
Kneelex will soon dissolve or tear, and the victim will die of 
internal hemorrhage. (My favorite: I wrote a fic in which someone 
commits suicide this way, except it was sand rather than klnnex)
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