[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's secret-keeper

[Jennifer Lynn]

No: HPFGUIDX 30811

Another reason why it can't be the Fidelius Charm...

>From what I understand about the Charm, both parties must be involved in 
casting the spell. Page 369 of PoA (American hardback)--Sirius says, "Lily 
and James only made you Secret-Keeper because I suggested it..." This 
suggests that the person being hidden has to pick his/her Keeper; someone 
else can't pick it for them. It also suggests that the Fidelius Charm can't 
be performed without both the protector and the protected knowing about it.

Now this says to me that Harry can't have a Secret-Keeper, or he wouldn't 
have been so dumbfounded by the conversation in the Three Broomsticks in 
PoA. I would imagine that was the first he had heard of the Fidelius Charm. 
He can't have been hidden with it or else he would know about it, and know 
who his Secret-Keeper was. And don't you think he'd have told someone, maybe 
Sirius or Ron and Hermione, if he knew he was protected like that?

There's no way the Dursleys could have been the ones with the Charm. They 
are so anti-magic there's no way they would have said yes, and from what I 
understand the Charm can't be performed without prior knowledge by both 
parties. I mean, the way Aunt Petunia talks about Lily in SS...calling her a 
freak...there's no way she would have consented to be a part of any 
wizarding, even if it was to protect Harry. They don't give a Hedwig's hoot 
about him anyway...

Jennifer...who wants to be a Gryffindor but would probably be a Ravenclaw


>From: "Barb" <blpurdom at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's secret-keeper (Was: Voldemort, Harry, 
>Gryffindor's Heir)
>Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:12:56 -0000
>
>--- In HPforGrownups at y..., mss4a at c... wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., ladjables at y... wrote:
> > "But doesn't Voldemort know Harry is with his relatives?  Or does
> > the  Fidelius Charm merely conceal location? Which leads to the
> > next  question, who is the secret-keeper?  Does V know it's
> > Dumbledore and  that's why V says it's thanks to Dumbledore he
> > can't get to Harry  while he's at his relatives?  Because he knows
> > he will never get the  information out of Dumbledore?  I guess
> > that was a few questions!"
> >
> > Personally I think Mrs. Figg is the secret-keeper.
>
>That's one possibility if the Fidelius Charm is indeed what is
>protecting Harry at the Dursleys, rather than some older, deeper
>magic having to do with blood ties (meaning that, for Harry's
>safety, Petunia is the most important person in the household,
>Dudley being a close second).  The problem is, we don't know enough
>about what the Fidelius Charm protects against, just how it works.
>
>This is from page 205 of the American hardback of PoA:
>
>"How does that work?" said Madam Rosmerta, breathless with
>interest.  Professor Flitwick cleared his throat.
>
>"An immensely complex spell," he said squeakily, "involving the
>magical concealment of a secret inside a single, living soul.  The
>information is hidden inside the chosen person, or Secret-Keeper,
>and is henceforth impossible to find--unless, of course the Secret-
>Keeper chooses to divulge it.  As long as the Secret-Keeper refused
>to speak, You-Know-Who could search the village where Lily James
>were staying for years and never find them, not even if he had his
>nose pressed against their sitting room window!"
>
>Flitwick does not say that the spell only keeps people of evil
>intent from knowing where the protected parties are--so unless we
>subsequently learn that this is indeed the type of protection
>conferred by the charm, it is highly doubtful that Harry's
>protection is from the Fidelius Charm and that Mrs. Figg or anyone
>else is a Secret Keeper.  Ron and the twins never would have been
>able to rescue Harry using the Flying Ford Anglia if the Fidelius
>Charm were in effect, and certainly Mr. Weasley could never have
>received permission from the Ministry to temporarily add the
>Dursleys' fireplace to the Floo network.
>
>Harry's protection must be a spell that specifically protects
>against dark magic or someone with ill intent, and therefore he
>cannot be under the protection of the Fidelius Charm, which does not
>seem to distinguish between these two types of people, as far as we
>know.
>
>--Barb
>
>Get Psyched Out!
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>http://schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb
>
>


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