trio death, sex, Tolkien, racism

[jenbe_me]

No: HPFGUIDX 31575

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:

> 
> djd:
> > (Unless, of course, one of the trio gets killed off...
> 
> Not a chance, in my view.  There are bound to be one or two 
significant casualties in Books 5 and 6, but I'd say the chance of 
her killing off one of the Trio before Book 7 is zilch.  I've seen it 
done before (I can think of at least one series where the author 
killed off the protagonist at the end of Part I!), but I'd put money 
on JKR not doing this (and I ain't usually a gamblin' kinda gal).  In 
Book 7, mind you, the odds change, though even there I'd say the Trio 
will survive the first half.  Killing off one of 'em would be grand 
finale material...


   I agree. If one of the three dies before the grand finale, it's 
going to give the whole thing an anti-climatic feel from that point 
on. I just don't see it happening. It doesn't seem to be J.K.R.'s 
style. I have a feeling she's got some bloodshed planned, and perhaps 
some major bloodshed, but it's probably going to be unleashed in book 
7. 7 IS the magic number, you know.  ;)



> 
> Elizabeth:
> > DO YOU PEOPLE THINK OF NOTHING ELSE????? Who will Hermione end up 
with? 
> Are the students having sex in the halls of Hogwarts? Who's cuter, 
Sirius 
> or Snape? Tune in next week, for the next episode of "As the Wizard 
World Turns"!
> 
> Ahhh, we're prurient types, we HP fans.  OK, so I sometimes 
cynically speculate that Western society's obsession with sex is 
getting out of control, but sex *is* interesting.  I've tried a 
couple of times to spark raging debates on OT about why the 
Anglophone world has such an issue with sex (the prudery/smuttery 
extreme reactions to it are as good an indicator of a cultural 
pivoting point as any) and whether sex is essential in adult 
literature, and so on, but no-one's ever taken me up, so obviously 
there are limits. I get the impression that the Northern Europeans 
have much healthier and more moderate attitudes to sex than us 
polarised Anglophones (sex is filthy and unmentionable vs sex is 
everything), but I'm not qualified to comment there.  Susanne?  
Christian?  Any thoughts?


  I fail to see the problem with discussing sex openly on a message 
group where all the participants are adults. I mean, this isn't a 
lewd, crude sort of discussion, merely curiosity. I dropped my 
Puritanical Catholic background years ago when I discovered it was a 
lot simpler and less confusing to just be open about the topic. I 
certainly don't engage in strange or offensive sexual behavior, but 
merely talking about it can do no harm. I am facinated by Kinsey and 
his studies he did in the 1950's and what groundbreaking work that 
laid the foundation for. Before he had the courage to do that kind of 
research, "sex" was widely misunderstood, misconstrued, and sexual 
abuse was widespread and hardly ever reported. 

  I don't agree with those who speculate that all our actions are 
motivated on the deepest level by our urge to procreate; I like to 
think that the human condition has risen above that and that we 
strive toward more noble goals. Yet that basic need still lies in all 
of us and makes up quite a large part of our driving force in life. 
Hence, the facination. And the need for understanding, and the 
interest in other people's romances, whether those people be real or 
imaginary. 


> 
> "jorgealcontreras":
> > all Tolkien heroes were white, blonde and blue-eyed, and live 
> in the WESTERN side of Middle Earth, altough the men from the east
> and south: asiatic, semithic and negroes,(kingdom of Harad) 
accepted the 
> influence from Morgoth at first<
> 

   Jorge, 

  Bienvenidos al grupo! Hablo espanol y si quieres escribirme en 
email. Que bien para ti que la pelicula ha llegado a Mexico!   

  Not all Tolkien heros were white, blonde and blue eyed. Faramir is 
darker skinned with black hair. Indeed the Tolkien concept of "hero" 
is very difficult to pin down. You can argue that the main "hero" of 
the trilogy is Frodo himself, who certainly is not the Ayrian blonde 
haired, tall hero you'd expect. There are also strong female 
characters, including one of which is not an elf, who has long brown 
hair. I saw no sense whatsoever in that reviewer's puffed up piece of 
tripe trying to state that LOTR and HP are racist. My best guess is 
that he's trying to be a writer's equivalent of a "shock jock" on 
radio. Stir people up and all that. Probably best ignored. 


jenbea