R/H, H/G, OBHWF, M-O-U-S-E

[Kelley]

No: HPFGUIDX 11650

> I wrote:
> Yes, Ginny is not  developed yet.  There are three books to go, 
> though, guys.  Moody  wasn't well-developed before GoF in which he 
> figured very strongly.    Granted that was a long book, JKR had 
> plenty of space in which to   develop him.  I still contend that 
all it will take to make Ginny a  well-developed character is one 
book.  She's had more 'page-time'  than Cho, yet we all saw her as a 
> romantic interest for Harry, albeit  just a crush in which he 
didn't know anything about her."  
> 
> Cassie wrote:
> *blinks* I'm confused. Moody wasn't well-developed before GoF 
because he was never mentioned before GoF, IIRC. Am I wrong? There's 
a difference between a character who is present and undeveloped and a 
> character who just doesn't exist at all.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I don't remember him being mentioned 'til GoF, either; I just meant 
that he went from zero to sixty pretty quickly.  Whether a character 
has been introduced and just not developed yet, or brand new to the 
series and suddenly central to the story line, development isn't much 
problem for JKR.  Maybe Cedric would've been a better example than 
Moody...

> Cassie:
> I simply hope that if Ginny is to wind up as the romantic interest 
of our hero, JKR will develop her further, give her a personality and 
> some interesting things to do. I'm not saying JKR doesn't have 
plenty of time to do this, nor am I saying she won't. I'd think most 
H/H shippers would agree with me. If Ginny is to be with Harry, she 
needs more character development. That's all. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 
Oh, heck, yeah, Cassie.  I would bet that most of us would agree with 
that, shipper or no.  I definitely think she'd have to be far more 
developed to make this pairing plausible.

>Cassie:
> I see no H/G in the books (i.e., indications that Harry has feeling 
> for Ginny -- if anything he pretty consciously shuts her out of the 
> Trio); as for G/H, although it is blindingly obvious that Ginny 
likes Harry, I'm not sure what significance to gift that with. <<<<<<<

Agree, nothing in canon gives the slightest clue that he likes her.  
I just think with the monster-crush Ginny has on him, the seeds have 
been sown, basically.

>Cassie:
> After all, Harry likes Cho and I'm fairly sure that that's not 
going to go anywhere. (*crosses fingers and prays.*)<<<<<<<<<<<
 
Hehheh, I'm with you there.  I didn't have anything against Cho when 
she was first introduced, still don't really; I just think that ship 
has sailed, so to speak, regardless of the Cedric angle.

><Kelly wrote: "I also strongly contend that if anyone can make OBHWF 
> happen without  sap, it's JKR.  Cliche, maybe; but perhaps this 
> scenario will serve her purposes.  We don't know yet.  The 
characters seem ripe with cliched characteristics to me, so I 
wouldn't put any cliche past JKR. "<><><><><><><><><><>
> 
>Cassie:
> I wonder how happy she'd be to hear that you wouldn't put any 
cliche past her? <g> Yikes. I'm not sure I agree that the characters 
are ripe with cliched characteristics. There is a difference between 
> cliches and archetypes, and it appears to me more that JKR enjoys 
> toying with archetypes, postmodernly, than than she enjoys 
wallowing in cliches and platitudes.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Haha, well okay; let's say I agree that she tweaks archetypes, but 
seems to me that the line between archetypes and stereotypes (and 
cliches) is a fine one.  I certainly don't think she wallows in 
cliches and platitudes, though I admit I am one of those who'd like 
to see her expand her presentation of adult female characters.  When 
she writes an archetype character behaving or thinking in a way that 
doesn't correspond with their archetype, I applaud.  But, very often 
they do behave as you would expect.  Not that they never should 
behave this way; how else could it be done?  The behavior that 
follows the archetypal expectations *can* delve into cliche, however, 
and, for the most part, she does avoid this.  Not every time, 
though... ;o]  (Which is all I meant by saying 'I wouldn't put any 
cliche past her...')(Just reread what I just wrote--not too 
convoluted, right? <HA!>)

> Cassie:
>As for OBHWF, the whole argument is a bit silly since it all seems 
to center around "Ron marries Hermione, Harry marries Ginny." At the 
end of the series, Ginny will be all of 
> sixteen. Nobody's marrying anyone. (I hope.)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Michelle wrote:
> > In the UK, I believe it is still legal to marry at 16 with 
parental consent. 16 is the age where it's legal to have sex in this 
country anyway, so Harry marrying Ginny is quite feasible.
> 
> Cassie: 
> It's feasible *legally* perhaps, but still IMHO *extremely* 
unlikely.  Ginny would be married and still in school at Hogwarts. 
*shudders with horror at the idea of a "Ginny and Harry Move Off 
Campus Into Special Housing" subplot.* <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Hahahaha!  Oh good grief, I hope not.  Hmm, if I imagine those 
characters married, it's the same way as the H/H-ers, as older 
adults.  I picture JKR either having the series end when the school 
year ends, the way the other books have done, and just giving 
clues/hints as to what the future holds for the characters; or, 
alternatively, she tags on an epilogue going some time into their 
future showing who's with whom, what they ended up doing, etc.  But, 
for now, I just feel she'll go with those pairings (R/H, Ha/G), 
though, OoP may change all that.  I actually wouldn't mind if it did; 
I'm ready for a curveball.  After learning about the wand-order 
mistake, which disappointed me immensely to learn was -just- a 
mistake, I started to feel my expectations were too high for the rest 
of the series.  A curveball would take care of that nicely, though...

Kelley