SHIP: RE: Krum and the Second Task (was semi-formal...)

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No: HPFGUIDX 11786

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> Had to second our captain's excellent logic here...
> 
> >Look at Krum as an example -- granted we don't know for sure how 
things
> >will play out between Krum & Hermione.  But, my guess is that she 
was
> >flattered to go to the Ball with him -- older guy, her first real 
date,
> >he's a "big deal", etc.  But, it seemed to me that she was a bit
> >overwhelmed by how much interest he had in her after the Yule 
Ball, and
> >I don't think she had serious intentions with regard to him.  I 
think
> >she was happy to go with him to the Ball and liked getting to know 
him
> >but wasn't ready for serious relationship & all that.  So .... my 
guess
> >is that the Flattery Factor (Krum's obvious interest) probably 
didn't,
> >in the end, get him anywhere with her.  I could be proven wrong of
> >course but that's just my take on it.
> >
> 
> Let's take a look at that passage from GoF, shall we?
> 
> ********
> 
> "Harry, well done!"  Hermione cried.  "You did it, you found out 
how all by 
> yourself!"
> 
> "Well--" said Harry.  He would have told her about Dobby, but he 
had just 
> noticed Karkaroff watching him.  He was the only judge who had not 
left the 
> table; the only judge not showing signs of pleasure and relief that 
Harry, 
> Ron, and Fleur's sister had got back safely.  "Yeah, that's right," 
said 
> Harry, raising his voice slightly so that Karkaroff could hear him.
> 
> "You haff a water beetle in your hair, Herm-own-ninny," said Krum. 
 Harry 
> had the impression that Krum was drawing her attention back onto 
himself; 
> perhaps to remind her that he had just rescued her from the lake, 
but 
> Hermione brushed away the beetle ****impatiently**** and said, 
"You're well 
> outside the time limit, though, Harry... Did it take you ages to 
find us?"
> 
> "No... I found you okay..."
> 
> (p. 304-305, Scholastic ed., emphasis mine)
> 
> **************
> 
> Passage speaks for itself, doesn't it?  (Ron-like, matter-of-fact 
nod.)  
> Now, no one is saying that it's an H/H support... so spare the list 
*that* 
> comment, please.  Not even H/Hers use it.
> 
> BUT--the passage does rather debunk the notion that Hermione is 
going to go 
> swooning into some boy's arms just because he happens to show some 
interest 
> in her.  Now *that* is not canon.
> 
> Ron should know better.  He's her best friend.  Hopefully Ron won't 
follow 
> in Krum's footsteps.  Wouldn't *that* be sad?
> 
> --Ebony (who laughs at the notion that shippers don't read canon, 
and H/H 
> shippers in particular... the majority of H/H shippers have only 
read canon 
> and don't feel the need to explain their position... because... we 
know what 
> we know! <eg>)
> 

My dear (dear) Ebony and Penny,

Allow me to do something that is normally not done and quote myself:

"I do not agree with Charlotte about the "much", BTW. From my 
experience the flattery factor certainly has an effect but I wouldn't 
say its a major factor in how (and if) the romantic                
relationship evolves. That has to do with suitability on many 
different levels." (msg #11731)

Have you actually *read* what I wrote or did you just concentrate on 
finding disjointed sentences and expressions that can be easily made 
to seem ridiculous? Did I imply that Hermione would be the sort who 
fits "into the role of a woman who would be unduly swayed by the 
Flattery Factor"? Would anyone who has read the books think that of 
Hermione? 
The *only* effect the Flattery Factor has is in producing a 
heightened awareness regarding the person showing interest in you. 
Can I say it any clearer than that? It does not make a relationship 
happen, it has nothing to do with the dynamics of the relationship. 
Its like a spark - if there is nothing that can burn, the fire won't 
start. 

<sob> I feel very picked upon (or as Jane Austen would say, 
"ill-used"). 

Naama