Amos Diggory / Stouffer

[Kelley]

No: HPFGUIDX 13009

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "ender_w" <ender_w at m...> wrote:
>>Kelley wrote: 
>>Does anyone besides me think perhaps Mr. Diggory will go dark now 
that he's lost his much-loved son, and that overly-hyped (to him) 
Harry Potter was involved?< 
> 
> Catlady wrote: 
> >I don't think Amos would go dark for vengeance on Harry, but it 
occurred to me that he might be seduced to the Dark by promises of 
bringing his son back to life.< 
>
> Star wrote: 
> >I don't think Amos would go over to the dark side b/c it was the 
dark side that killed his son so he would want revenge on the dark 
side and not Harry, he understands that it wasn't Harry's fault.  As 
to Amos being seduced to the dark side by promises of his son's life 
returned Amos is smart enough to know that magic can't bring back the 
dead.< 
> 
ender wrote:
> This is very logical...and that's the problem.  The Diggorys have 
just lost there son, they're not exactly thinking logically.  They 
may not even be thinking at all.  It's easy for us to see the 
situation for what it is, but 1)Diggory wasn't there when his son was 
killed, so he doesn't know exactly what happened, and therefore might 
be prone to believing any lies about the incident that Voldie might 
tell him...and 2)Diggory is most likely going to be angry and look 
for someone to blame.  He may not be thinking clearly enough to blame 
the nameless, faceless Deatheaters, when little Harry Potter is so 
visible.<

Yes, this is along the same lines as I was thinking.  Amos is quite 
dismissive of Harry throughout GoF, and this may be just due to his 
pride of Cedric.  Whether that's all it is or not, his grief over the 
loss of his son is going to be immense.  I can easily see Voldy use 
Amos' grief, and I can see Amos seduced to the dark side with very 
little coaxing... 

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<Stouffer>
> Shanna wrote:
> I don't think that her books were, uh, run off at Kinko's, persay. 
I saw Stouffer on C-Span during the summer when this whole debacle 
began. I think she had a very small publisher. However, she admitted 
that sales of her book were limited to the US - EXCEPT (there's 
always an except) this one single book fair in London which sold her 
book. I find it highly unlikely that JKR just happened to be in 
London (when she lived in Edinborough - yes, I know they do travel 
back and forth quite a bit, but I'm sure she wasn't there
> constantly) to go to that stupid book fair and just happen to find 
her book and be oh so inspired by it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I agree, the odds are pretty slim, but I could see JKR running across 
this woman's book.  As a writer, and given the material she had/has 
an interest in, I can imagine she would attend whatever book fairs, 
etc., there might be, and skim through these types of books.  I know 
I've spent entire days browsing in bookstores, and I'm only a reader, 
not a writer.  BTW, does it say somewhere on Stouffer's site that her 
book was available in London?  I couldn't find it.  But, again, not 
having read her books, and seeing some of the 'similarities' she has 
listed, I find her complaints totally incredulous.  'Boats carrying 
people across a lake, having to go through a curtain of ivy, secret 
entrance passageways, a castle on a cliff, giant wooden doors'... 
Stouffer really created all these images?  Wow, she's really 
impressive, isn't she?....  ::sigh::

> Shanna:
> I can't see it as being anything but crazy coincidence. I mean, if 
you were going to rip some one off, don't you think you'd be a little 
more subtle, rather than nearly copying every name and term you can 
find? <<<<<<<<

Right, exactly.  The names seem like such a small part of the 
similarities; it mainly consists of images.  And, I'm confused about 
this, too:  Are the 'Larry' and 'Lilly Potter' characters ~IN~ the 
Rah and Muggles book?  From the intro to her Rah book, it doesn't 
sound like they're all in the same work...

> Shanna:
> Furthermore, Stouffer really doesn't gain much credibility from me -
 you are absolutely right, she IS an opportunist. She even said she's 
filed lawsuits before over people knicking her ideas. (And lost 
everyone of them, apparently). You know, I'm sure all the children's 
writers in the world are scrambling to steal from her works of 
genius. <<<<<

Hahahah, good one.  I didn't know about her other lawsuits...

> Shanna:
> I think she is just doing this because, even if she doesn't win the 
suit, let's face it, millions of people know about her now then 
before, and maybe she'll end up selling more books. <<<<<<<<
 
So sad, isn't it?  I'll do a trelawney here and say that after she's 
lost her last suit/appeal, etc., against JKR she'll fade right back 
into obscurity...  Hope she doesn't learn Voldy's regenerative 
spell...

Kelley