Crouch / Moody

[Jim Flanagan]

No: HPFGUIDX 9243

Welcome, Mauricio --

The whole Moody/Crouch plot in GoF has been one of my pet peeves.  
There are several aspects of it that don't ring true to me.  I agree 
with the points that you raise, and I particularly question the 
plausibility of the elaborate scheme to make Harry the winner of the 
third round of the Triwizard tourney. If they wanted to get Harry to 
Voldemort, there were surely much more direct and certain ways to do 
it than to turn the trophy into a portkey!

I also thought that it was implausible that Crouch Jr. would have the 
knowledge of advanced magic that he appears to have.  After all, he 
was just a youth when he went to Azkaban, and after his "escape" he 
was under the Imperius Curse up until the time of the World Cup.  So 
when did he have time to learn enough magic to completely fool 
Dumbledore and remain undetected for nearly a whole school year?

Questions like the ones that you raise may not have clear answers, 
but they are excellent fodder for discussion.  After all, what is 
there to do until the movie and the next book come out?

Thanks for your post.  I hope you'll enjoy HPfGU.

Jim Flanagan
Moderator Team

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Mauricio Drelichman" <m-
drelichman at n...> wrote:

> I was most intrigued by Crouch Jr's ability to fool everybody at 
> Hogwarts, and particularly Dumbledore, into believing he was 
> the real Moody. Under the influence of Veritaserum, Crouch Jr. 
> explains how he kept the real Moody alive to learn about his past 
> and his habits, as well as to obtain the hairs he needed for the 
> Polyjuice potion. The impersonated Moody also teaches DADA 
> as the real one would have, even breaking the law under 
> Dumbledore's instructions (or just with Dumbledore's consent).
> 
> In Chapter 15 of GoF, Moody places the Imperius curse on each 
> of the students, and is particularly intent on teaching Harry to 
> resist it. However, this resistance will eventually enable Harry to 
> resist Voldemort's Imperius and keep on fighting. If he hadn't 
> been able to do so, the duel would have been over pretty soon.
> 
> So why does Moody teach Harry so well to resist the Imperius, 
> and seems so enthusiastic with his success? Is he under 
> special instructions from Dumbledore? I don't think so; he could 
> have said that Harry wouldn't learn to resist it after the first 
try. 
> And why would Dumbledore suspect that Harry would  need that 
> particular ability in the near future?
> 
> Another theory is that Moody wanted Harry to resist Voldemort's 
> Imperius, so that he could return and he, Crouch, could hand 
> Harry personally to the Dark Lord. But this would mean 
> assuming that Crouch would also have predicted the outcome of 
> the duel beforehand, which seems somewhat far-fetched.
> 
> Any other ideas floating? By the way, wonderful group. Loved it 
> lurking and reading old posts! 
> 
> Mauricio