[HPforGrownups] Re: Crouch / Moody (long)

[Donna Rae]

No: HPFGUIDX 9264

This may be a stupid question, but I've always wondered why Dumbledore
didn't use the time-turner to go back and reprogram the trophy so it was
no longer a portkey.  If he allowed Harry and Hermione to use it to save
Buckbeak and Sirius' life, wouldn't it be considered more important to
save Cedric's life and keep Voldemort from regaining power?

Donna Rae


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Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Crouch / Moody (long)


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> >
> > I also thought that it was implausible that Crouch Jr. would have
> the
> > knowledge of advanced magic that he appears to have.  After all, he
> > was just a youth when he went to Azkaban, and after his "escape" he
> > was under the Imperius Curse up until the time of the World Cup.  So
> > when did he have time to learn enough magic to completely fool
> > Dumbledore and remain undetected for nearly a whole school year?
>
> I recall Sirius saying in GoF that when Snape first went to Hogwarts,
> he "knew more curses than most seventh years" or something along those
> lines. Harry himself has learned quite a bit on the side from all his
> studying of protective curses with Hermione and Ron, and even from the
> dueling club that he went to once. Clearly its possible to learn
> extra magic on the side, especially if you come from a wizarding
> family. Taught by his own father's coldness to be himself cold to
> emotions, Crouch jr. went over to Voldemort at a young age and
> likely learned a great deal from his new master and his new friends.
> It also seems that confounding the Goblet was an act requiring magical
> strength and prowess more than knowledge, but as far as the latter is
> concerned Crouch certainly would have had Voldemort's aid in preparing
> for this curse. As for the former, Sirius says also in GoF that Crouch
> Sr. is "powerfully magical", so it would make sense for his son to
> inherit his father's talent.
> But most of all, I imagine that Crouch Sr., as a member of an old,
> wealthy, and prestigious pureblood wizarding family, and as an
> ambitious and proud man, would have seen to it that his son had all
> the tutors and training he could ever need, and would have had the
> money and resources to do so. He would have pressured his son to study
> hard and to succeed--as indeed Crouch jr. did, for when Crouch Sr. was
> raving, he mentioned that his son recieved equally as many OWL's as
> Percy Weasley later did. The elder Crouch may not have loved his son,
> but nonetheless, to an ambitious man like that, his son would have
> been an extension of himself and his own reputation--whatever he felt
> about the boy, it would have been important to the elder Crouch that
> his son's reputation and success match his own. Once his heir was
> publicly besmirched by the accusation of colluding with Voldemort, of
> course, Crouch had no further use for him or desire to be associated
> with him.
> And what about this unreal ability of Crouch's to feign friendship for
> Harry Potter, to make the students like him, to act well intentioned
> enough to fool even Dumbledore, while at the same time he plotted with
> considerable foresight and precision against the very people he was
> pretending every day to care for? Crouch was raised by a man who
> coldly dispensed of him when his reputation (whether he could have
> been proved innocent or not) became a liability. The elder Crouch was
> no less power hungry or ruthless than Voldemort, even if he did stand
> opposed to Voldemort. The young Crouch might as well have been raised
> by Voldemort himself, for all that he learned that personal
> relationships and the emotions of others are things of practical value
> to be manipulated for personal gain, and nothing more. When talking of
> his mother who died for him, all Crouch spoke of was how she had been
> of use in freeing him. One of the things which struck me at the end of
> the book, was how even the smallest things that Crouch did that
> displayed consideration or kindness, like giving Neville the book on
> water plants, were just further steps towards his final plan.
> Voldemort also shows this sort of coldness, speaking of how both his
> own father and Harry's mother "had their uses". I believe that
> Crouch's ability to come so close to the people whom he was to betray
> and murder and remain always unmoved, even to the end, by how well
> he must have gotten to know each and every one of them, was very
> effective in showing the power of Voldemort's evil to corrupt a witch
> or wizard until, as Hagrid said in PoA, "There's nothing and no one
> that matters to them anymore."
>
> Sorry about the wordy post,
> Alexandra
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