Odp: [HPforGrownups] Re: Crouch / Moody (long)

[Mike Schubert]

No: HPFGUIDX 9308

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, annezo at a... wrote:> 
> I might disagree that H & H "changed" anything.  They
> had no proof that Buckbeak (sp?) had actually been
> executed...just the sound of the axe that was explained
> later as the executioner using it on the fence. They didn't
> see Hagrid again, remember, so they didn't know if he was
> pleased at Buckbeak's escape or crying for his loss. And they
> didn't "change" Sirius' fate, because it was still up in the
> air at the moment Hermione Turned the hourglass.
> 
> In fact, Harry seeing himself by the lake...and having been
> rescued by his own Patronus originally, argues that their
> journey back in time wasn't a "change" but was, in fact,
> actually what originally happened.

This whole idea of the paradox created by time-travel is interesting, 
and FAR too deep for me to really wrap my rather brilliant mind 
around it. But basically, by going back in time, they would alter not 
only what happened, but also everyone's memories of what happened. 
That is, HP1 would remember what HP2 did, not what HP1 did. So when 
HP2 sent the Patronus, HP1 would accept that as Holy Writ; "This HAS 
happened, this IS happening, and this WILL happen." So we don't really 
know what originally happened, if there is even any such thing as 
"original". We just know that in that particular situation, HP2 will 
ALWAYS send a Patronus to rescue HP1. In short, I guess I'm saying I 
agree with Anne, that they really didn't change anything, as once it 
is changed, there is no way that anyone can know that there was ever 
anything different. I guess. This made sense when I started to type 
all this nonsense. I'm not really sure anymore...

-Mike