[HPforGrownups] Re: "Fanfic Tangent" (ship warning)

[mlleelizabeth at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 10020

In a message dated 1/21/2001 9:57:18 AM EST, pennylin at swbell.net writes:

 < I think Ebony was suggesting that *if* Ron knew (or Hermione told Ron) 
that her
 feelings were for Harry and *if* Ron knew or suspected that Harry returned 
(or
 *could* return) Hermione's feelings, would Ron not be a big enough person to 
put
 his own feelings for Hermione to the side, considering that he is first &
 foremost friends with them both?  IMO, it is not only acceptable but a show 
that a person is a bigger person than to let petty jealousy stand in the way 
of a budding romance & a continued friendship amongst the three of them.>

I'll ponder this a bit more, but I'm not entirely sure that suppressing one's 
feelings makes one a bigger person.  I'm also not sure what you mean by 
"could return."  Are you suggesting that Ron should put aside his own 
feelings if Harry's feelings are unknown?

 <What I find strange is the implication by some people in the past (not you
 Elizabeth) that Hermione's feelings don't count.  It seems as though some 
believe
 that her feelings are irrelevant and what matters is whether or not Ron or 
Harry
 likes her.  For example, it's possible she doesn't care for either one of 
them
 that way.  Since her feelings aren't known at this point, that's why these
 shipper debates can continue.  The H/H & R/H shippers (and D/H shippers) can 
all
 make a plausible case.>

I agree, Penny, although I'd add that the no-shippers can make a plausible 
case as well.
 
 < I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that argument (and having 
prepared the
 Romance FAQ and the Hermione FAQ (just yesterday), I'd have seen if it they 
had).>

I look forward to reading them.
 
  <Oh my!  Well ... okay.  Gosh, I didn't think of us H/H'ers were so 
vociferous
 that we suggest that Harry's feelings don't count.  I know I've never 
suggested
 such a thing.>

I don't recall many discussions of Harry's feelings regarding this matter, 
other than general agreement that we don't know with certainty what they are, 
but that he appears to be uninterested in Hermione so far. 
 
 

Ok, but ...

< She starts out that way, sure enough.>

So it's not just my opinion. <g>

< But, well .... maybe you'll see more redeeming Hermione qualities when you 
read the FAQ on her. >

I'm not suggesting she doesn't have other qualities as well, (I even 
mentioned some of them:  "because she's clever or witty or any of the many 
other nice things she
is.").  But I don't believe that she will change so drastically that she will 
lose all the characteristics she's been endowed with by her creator, either.  


 
That's correct.  Ms Rowling has not yet created a character whom I believe 
would be happy with Hermione in the long run.  

 <FYI, it's Rowling, not Rowlings.>

Sorry about the typo.  I'll be more careful in the future.
  
 

Yes, I do agree with that. I believe Hermione's feelings should be taken into 
account as much as Ron's or Harry's, but I also believe that the books are 
about Harry and that any ideas we get about Ron's or Hermione's feelings will 
be filtered through Harry and colored by his point of view.
 
  <Yep.  Just like Ron finally declaring his feelings for Hermione doesn't 
create an
 R/H ship either.  :--) >

What about Ron and Hermione both declaring their feelings for each other?
 
< I can also envision Harry learning about Hermione's feelings (if she has 
them for him) -- either directly from her>  

Yes, I believe I mentioned that was one way Harry might know what Hermione 
felt.

I< believe I  or perhaps indirectly (he could overhear a conversation for 
example or someone else could tell him).>

But that would be hearsay! <g>  It also sounds like the start of a good game 
of gossip.

Eeek!  Now this just popped into my head:  If Trelawney and/or Psychic!Ron 
tell us all how Hermione feels, will anyone believe them?
 
  <I, along with several others, have teased that fanfic can create 
alternative
 universes for the characters forever, no matter how it ends up at the end of
 canon>

I'm sorry if I react harshly to that suggestion, but teasing is a very major 
trigger for me and I never find it the least bit humorous.

< (I guess even if Harry dies at the end of Book 7).  But, canon predictions
 are not set in stone by any of us.  Not IMO anyway.>

Nor in mine.  We agree on most of this, don't we? <g>

Love & Light,
*Elizabeth*
90% obsessed and proud of it
~ You can never have too many Weasleys ~