Happy Family and the G/H

[Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer]

No: HPFGUIDX 10940

Hi --

Kathleen Kelly MacMillan wrote:

> I never said that R/H would not change the dynamic of the Trio, what I meant was
> that I don't see it being a *problem*.  I don't get the impression that Harry's
> bothered at all by the idea of Ron and Hermione having a separate relationship,
> as long as the 3 of them are still friends.  (Actually I got the impression that
> he would find it a huge relief if they would just admit their feelings to one
> another and get it over with!)

Well, that again can be subject to more than one interpretation.  Surprise --
Penny coming up with an alternate interpretation!  <g>  What if Harry would be
"relieved" if Ron & Hermione got together because he senses that Hermione likes
him, and he either (a) can't imagine what that would do to his friendship with Ron
(so he hopes she'll just hook up with Ron and the whole problem will "go away"),
or (b) likes her back but is resistant for other reasons (such as putting Hermione
in greater danger -- Harry Potter's girlfriend and a mudblood to boot -- she'd be
a prime target, wouldn't she?).

As Catlady has pointed out, Harry really doesn't do much more than think that Cho
is pretty.  He doesn't fantasize about even kissing her yet.  He's still at a very
awkward stage of adolescence, and he may not get much chance to develop normally
because of the cataclysmic circumstances that are about to erupt all over his
later adolescence (the "War").  So, I think Harry's pretty much still stuck in the
"wish it would just go away" phase that lots of young boys that age experience.

In any case, no H/H'er can make any sort of solid argument that Harry has interest
in Hermione as yet.  But, he also doesn't have interest in Ginny.  And, in fact,
Ginny may always be that "tag-along little sister of Ron's who had that horrible
crush on him for so many years."  She has a hard row to hoe really.  Much more so
than Hermione.

> But I digress (often and at length!)...what I wanted to say was that wanting H/G
> to develop a relationship isn't necessarily a corallary of R/H.  And I don't
> think that those who propose it are doing it as a solution to any sort of "Harry
> problem" either.

But, are there any H/G shippers who are *not* also R/H shippers?  Are there
specifically any H/G shippers who are fervently H/G and fervently anti-R/H?  Also
-- I left the subject heading alone.  Take a look at it.  I laughed out loud.
G/H!  Says alot doesn't it?  :--)

> Gosh, thanks.  You're welcome to visit anytime...as long as you're nice to
> Ron.  Denigration of Weasleys of any kind will not be tolerated on the Good
> Ship R/H.  Violators of this rule shall be forced to walk the plank.
>
Oh well.  I guess I won't be allowed a friendly visit even since I don't believe
Ron (or any Weasley) is perfect and therefore immune from criticism (any more than
Harry or Hermione is).   The H/H Ship: The Ship of Realism, not Fantasy.  Maybe
that could be *our* new slogan.   :--)

> I've been thinking that part of the reason H/Hers perceive R/Hers as being
> so defensive is that we tend to leave the burden of proof up to them.
> (Because, as we know R/H just makes more sense!)
>
Well .... "burden of proof" is a legal term.  Ahem.  You all still haven't met
your "burden of proof" to show that Hermione likes Ron back.  When you can show me
evidence of this that I can't refute with a "straight-face" argument, then we'll
see about shifting the BOP.  <g>

> You know, I think things like this are what bother me most about the H/H
> position.  I know that H/Hers admit that Harry hasn't shown any interest in
> Hermione yet, and supposedly would in the future, but it seems to me that
> not only has he not shown any interest, he has been quite the opposite of
> interested in pretty much anything Hermione talks about or does.  At least
> Ron argues with her, so he's showing some interest.  And *Ron* was the one who
> noticed Hermione's weird schedule and the time turner slipups in PoA.  It
> was always Ron pointing them out or noticing Hermione's feelings (example:  I
> was just listening to the Hermione-walking-out-of-Divination scene today, and
> after she leaves it's *Ron* who says "Some day Hermione's having" while
> Harry's being distracted.  Granted, Harry has reason to be distracted, but
> *still*.) I just don't see the evidence for a future H/H relationship.
>
Oh really?!  Well .... I'll just have to create a little document to add to our
Files section that shows the interactions Hermione has with each of the two boys.
I hardly think it will show a one-sided column of only Ron being perceptive &
attune to her as a person.  One glaring example that leaps to mind is that it was
*Harry* and not stubborn Ron who wanted to make up with Hermione in PoA.  He was
perceptive enough to notice how unhappy she was and how tired she looked, knew
she'd acted out of caring concern & approached her in the common room on his own.
He no doubt appreciates the fact that it has been Hermione who was more
steadfastly loyal to him than Ron.  And, he most definitely appreciates the help
she gives him with summoning charms & the curses/spells for the 3rd Task.  If you
can make the above argument that Ron is the only one who interacts with and
notices/appreciates Hermione, then we really aren't reading the same books!    <g>

Penny


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