OBHWF, R/H vs. H/H, BOP

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No: HPFGUIDX 10963

kimberly wrote:
> I think he and Hermione are ill-suited (and as an aside, that Hermione and 
> Ron would, as they mature, bring out the best in each other [see the 
> Buckbeak incident that ended the Scabbers/Crookshanks argument]).  

Exactly.  She challenges his lazy butt and just keeps him from slacking off 
too much.  Without Ron Hermione would be all work and no play.  He also is 
able to get her to admit when she is wrong.  Hermione is bossy and even 
though she has lightened up considerably and will IMO continue to do so, she 
will always be bossy. She will never be an ideal match for Harry - he's had 
enough bossing in his life.  

kimberly on OBHWF:
> it doesn't stop me from liking the idea, and it wouldn't stop me from being 
> thrilled if she did it, nor do I think it would cheapen the story, as so 
> 

I agree and I don't understand why some would think it is such an easy way 
out.  JKR has said that the stories will become considerably darker.  But you 
cannot have dark without light.  I cannot see her showing at least some hints 
of future happiness and peace for the characters no matter what that may be.  

Tangent--Harry is building a family as he goes consisting of not only the 
Weasleys but also Hagrid, Sirius, Lupin, Dumbledore and surely others we have 
yet to meet.  He never had such a network of love and support before.  Until 
Hogwarts he was alone.  It was Harry vs. the Dursleys.  I believe that JKR is 
emphasising this to show that Harry will never have to be alone again.  

Captain Kathy stated:
> I never said that R/H would not change the dynamic of the Trio, what I meant 
> was that I don't see it being a *problem*.  I don't get the impression that 
> Harry's bothered at all by the idea of Ron and Hermione having a separate 
> relationship, as long as the 3 of them are still friends.  (Actually I got 
> the 
> impression that he would find it a huge relief if they would just admit 
> their 
> 

and Penny countered:
> I hardly think it will show a one-sided column of only Ron being perceptive &
> attune to her as a person.  One glaring example that leaps to mind is that 
> it was
> *Harry* and not stubborn Ron who wanted to make up with Hermione in PoA.  
> He was perceptive enough to notice how unhappy she was and how tired she 
> looked, knew she'd acted out of caring concern & approached her in the 
> common room on his own.  He no doubt appreciates the fact that it has been 
> Hermione who was more  steadfastly loyal to him than Ron.  And, he most 
> definitely appreciates the help she gives him with summoning charms & the 
> curses/spells for the 3rd Task.  If you can make the above argument that 
> Ron is the only one who interacts with and notices/appreciates Hermione, 
> then we really aren't reading the same books!    <g>

The more I read the more I know we aren't reading the same books!  <g> I of 
course side with Kathy.  I think Harry just wants them to get it over 
with.....After the Yule Ball during the infamous argument..."Harry didn't say 
anything.  he liked being back on speaking terms with Ron too much to speak 
his mind right now--but he somehow thought that Hermione had gotten the point 
much better than Ron had."  I know this is a point of differing opinion 
between R/H-ers and H/H-ers.  But to me it speaks volumes - Harry knows :)

As for whether or not Harry or Ron notices more about Hermione...Harry is 
concerned with the overall friendship of the trio and keeping it intact.  
(This is not to say that Hermione and Ron aren't, mind).  They are his 
family.  The last thing he wants is for his family to be broken up (again).  
And yes he does appreciate her help and loyalty.  But he says so himself - 
she isn't as fun as Ron.    Both of them need that patented Ron Weasley Fun.  
Together Hermione and Harry are as dull as one of Professor Binn's goblin 
lectures.

Now as for Ron - he notices the specifics.  Her scheduling conflicts in PoA.  
Her interactions with Krum.  He's the one that first notices her new teeth.  
He might not get the big picture yet, but he's certainly collecting the 
pieces.  I also have to mention the PoA Crookshanks/Scabbers arguments 
between Ron and Hermione.  The fight started between the three over the 
Firebolt but continued between R and H over their pets.  For the record, I 
feel that Hermione was totally out of line.  Crookshanks was trying to kill 
Scabbers and she absolutely should have been more sensitive to Ron's 
feelings.  I know she came around in the end, but when her cat was pouncing 
on the rat and she just passed it off as what cats and rats do, it really 
irritated me.  However she did come around in the end and admitted she was 
wrong - see how Ron can do that?  :)

Penny:
> You all still haven't met your "burden of proof" to show that Hermione likes 
> Ron back.  When you can show me evidence of this that I can't refute with a 
> "straight-face" argument, then we'll see about shifting the BOP.  

As we speak our Chief Counsel Joanne (who moonlights as Admiral of the Good 
Ship R/H) is gathering the evidence.  Discovery is going to be so much fun! <
vbg>


Jim said:
> 

She absolutely does...and I won't.


-Mo
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