Fangs for mentioning this/warning -vampire theory

[koinonia02 at yahoo.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 22604

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., monzaba at p... wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., koinonia02 at y... wrote:
  There are only a few of us vampire 
> > believers out here so I need all the support I can get :-)
> 
> Bet you do! For example, I do not believe it for a second.

Come now.  Does that mean you aren't about to join out little 
group  ;)


>The whole 
> Snape-is-a-vampire theory is based on one sentence only.

Not at all, as Amy Z pointed out in another message.  I do love that 
example but I don't know if that one is even the most convincing one.

>In PoA, 
>Can you imagine Lupin 
> saying something like "C'mon, boys, I need a word about your 
> homework"? I'd love to see Snape's delight on this! "Well, Lupin, 
are 
> you actually going to *do* the homework for your chosen students?"

I can't see Snape saying that at all.  If so he would have just 
said, "Well, Lupin, are you actually going to teach these kids 
something worthwhile?"  Instead Lupin made a remark that let Snape 
know he wasn't going to put up with all his crap.  Two can play at 
this game.  While I'm talking about this part with *darling* Lupin:

Amy Z wrote in message 22587:

>...it makes darling Lupin out to be kind of a jerk - but then again, 
>wouldn't he be boring if he were *too* angelic?

Oh I don't think it makes Lupin look bad at all (now dressing the 
Snape boggart in clothes is another story!).  I like what Lupin did.  
He is just standing up to Snape.  Lupin isn't an angel but I too 
think he is darling.  Of course I think Snape is a darling so go 
figure! 

Back to the remarks of monzaba: 
  
> Brave one! I wouldn't dare to call Snape "Sevvy" to his face!

I wouldn't either.  
 
> Well, I believe that there are not many things that Snape isn't 
able 
> to do with potions, but remember - potions have only temporary 
> effects. Polyjuice works for only one hour, and Warewolf Bane is to 
> be taken monthly - i.e., it works for one night, no more. And there 
> are many possible explanations why Snape's skin is sallow - it's 
not 
> that it must be a side effect of some Vampire-to-Human potion!

Snape is the potion master and he can make his little *anti-vampire* 
potion anytime he wants.  Who knows what that potion does?  But I 
will grant you that Snape's skin color could just be naturally 
yellow, his teeth could just be naturally yellow and crooked, and his 
hair could just be naturally greasy.  Still...........

 
> > I believe Snape has always been a vampire or at least 
> > was one when he first arrived at Hogwarts.

 
> Mmm, can't see it this way. If he was, he would be in the same 
shoes 
> as Lupin, and he wouldn't be hating him so much, would he? 
Remember, 
> it's Harry Potter universe we're talking about now, not the World 
of 
> Darkness!

We had this discussion before.  Yes, Snape and Lupin would be in the 
same shoes.  Why would that stop Snape from hating him?  It's Snape 
we are talking about.  An example I used before is prejudice.  They 
are those who constantly throw at the word prejudice.  They accuse 
everyone else of being prejudice yet can't see that they are just as 
prejudice as those they are accusing.  Happens all the time.  The 
Harry Potter Universe is indeed *dark* in many ways.  Vampires are 
mentioned in each book.  I guess they are considered dark.  I'm not 
sure if that is what you mean.

> (BTW, if Snape *was* a WoD vampire, he'd be a Ventrue or Tremere, 
> don't you think? And yes, he'd be on werevolves' throats!)

I don't know what a Ventrue or Tremere is.  I think one thing to 
remember is that we are talking the world of JKR and not Anne Rice or 
some other author. I don't think Snape is your typical vampire.  Look 
at Voldemort.  He is a little bit of everything due to his quest for 
immortality.    

 
> Still the same thing. If he was in the same - no, better! - 
situation 
> as Lupin, why should he hate him?

Snape just doesn't like Lupin.  He isn't going to turn around and 
decide to accept Lupin just because they are in the same situation. 
The last time I looked King Kong still didn't like Godzilla and you 
would have thought those two would have joined teams!

 
> > dfrankis wrote in message 22331:
> > >Ahem...!  My Theory:  Snape is a vampire (or in some other way 
> > >special and well able to defend himself against werewolves).  

monzaba wrote: 
> Well... if Snape was "well able to defend himself against 
werewolves" 
> he would't become indebted to James Potter. What a debt it is, when 
> another person helps you to do a thing you're more than capable of 
> doing without inteference? And why would everybody insist that 
> James's intervetion was to save Snape's live, not Lupin's?

I do believe Snape is a vampire or in some way special.  I would like 
to think that is why Sirius allowed Snape to go in the tunnel.  
Sirius knew that Snape wouldn't get hurt.  However, that doesn't 
excuse the actions of Black.  I agree with you that there still 
remains the fact that Dumbledore, Snape, and James feel that Severus' 
life was in danger.  Also, I can see James interfering on behalf of 
Lupin and not Snape.

 
> >  GoF Ch 10:  "That woman's got it in for the Ministry of 
> > Magic!" said Percy furiously.  "Last week she was saying we're 
> > wasting our time quibbling about cauldron thickness, when we 
should 
> > be stamping out vampires!  As if it wasn't specifically stated in 
> > paragraph twelve of the Guidelines for the Treatment of Non-
Wizard 
> > Part-Humans___"

monazaba wrote: 
> Snape's NOT a "Non-Wizard"! Filch is a non-wizard, not Severus.
> Though Snape *might* be a part-human, for all we know. And we do 
not 
> know much.


I don't take that to mean that Snape isn't a wizard or that vampires 
don't have some powers. Clause three of the Code of Wand Use states 
that 'no non-human creature is permitted to carry or use a wand.'  
That doesn't mean they don't have the power.  It means they are not 
allowed.  Just another reason for Snape not to let anyone know what 
he is.  I know there is another reference to wands and creatures or 
vampires but I couldn't find it just now.

Koinonia wrote: 
> > Stamp out vampires?  Are they protected under some special law? 
Are 
> > they only part-human?

monzaba wrote: 
> If the Ministry was to protect vampires, neither Rita Skeeter nor 
> this poor Veela-charmed boy would be talking loud about stamping 
them 
> out.

So are you saying vampires are not protected in some way? That really 
isn't the point.  The point is that Rita wants to stamp them out and 
this kid thinks he can impress someone by being a vampire hunter and 
killing ninety of them.

*If* Snape has always been some type of vampire, can you imagine what 
his life was like before coming to Hogwarts?    

 
 
> > There would be no way Snape could attend Hogwarts as a vampire 
> unless 
> > he was able to hide what he is.  It's the prejudice thing again.  

 
> Hide it? From Dumbledore? C'mon, Albus would have allowed this 
poor, 
> poor vampire boy into his school immediately! And Severus would 
have 
> been in exactly the same situation as Remus.

That's exactly what I said.  I never said he could or did hide it 
from Dumbledore.  He had to hide it from the wizarding world as a 
whole.

  
> > >I also suspect that Hagrid knows.  He's very adamant that 
> > > Snape would never hurt a student, 

 
> Another troubling santence. It seems as if Hagrid was *sure* that 
> Snape is more than capable of hurting other people.

PoS Ch 11
'So why did he just try and kill Harry?' cried Hermione.
'I'm tellin' yeh, yer wrong!' said Hagrid hotly. 'I don't know why 
Harry's broom acted like that, but Snape wouldn' try an' kill a 
student!

This is the part I'm talking about.  I don't see any way that Hagrid 
is suggesting that Snape is more than capable of hurting other 
people. They are just talking about students here.  Dumbledore 
wouldn't have Snape teaching at Hogwarts if he believed Snape would 
harm anyone without being justified in doing so.
 
  
> Neville has every reason in the world to be 
> scared of Snape. Severus has seen to that. Don't we know that 
Neville 
> routinely breaks down in Snape's classes? Poor boy.

I still say there's another reason for how Neville reacts around 
Snape.  

someone wrote: 
> >  >Then again, maybe Snape gave the Lestranges, and whoever 
> > > else, the info to find the Longbottoms.  
> 
> Oh c'mon, Snape left the Dark side long before the Longbottoms were 
> abused! I'm prepared to believe that he knew of the preparations 
for 
> the attack, but simply did't believe it. ("What, these idiots are 
> trying to bring the Dark Lord back to power? Ridiculous! Not even 
> worth *mentiong* to Dumbledore!")

Yes, it seems Snape had left the Dark side long before the torture.  
I don't believe that if Snape knew of the preparations that he would 
ignore that information and not pass it along.  As a spy he would 
have passed along any info and let Dumbledore decide what action to 
take if any.  

Koinonia wrote: 
> > This starts a new topic.  Why does Dumbledore trust Snape?  (...) 
> Whatever Snape did it would have to be something 
> > huge.  

monzaba wrote: 
> I agree. It is my strong belief that Dumbledore trusts Snape 
because 
> he has *proven* himself to him. No words, no declarations, no 
> remorse - just a solid, very solid proof.

So how did he prove himself?  I don't know if that would be enough.  
What would make Dumbledore trust this DE right in the midst of all 
the terrible things going on?  Like Harry, I would like to know what 
it was!

Koinonia wrote: 
> > What I am curious about is all the references to vampires and the 
> > forest.  Is that where they live in JKR's little world?  

monzaba wrote: 
> If so, Snape-the-dungeon-inhabitant is not your typical vampire :-)
> But his not a vampire. He's not, he's not, he's not!

You know he is - so just admit it ^o^  If he isn't that's fine also.  
But there is something about Snape that's different. Someone on 
another board suggested that Snape was the result of some kind of 
experiment and I thought that was pretty sick and silly.  However, 
look at old Voldy!
  
 
> Monika
> (The Snape fan)

Koinonia
(The other Snape fan, whether he is or isn't)