[HPforGrownups] Re: Neville Longbottom and Bertha Jorkins/and the Evans clan

Cheryl Dimof cheryl_dimof at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 25 21:23:15 UTC 2001


No: HPFGUIDX 22985

I like the idea of the memory charm!  I hadn't heard that before.  I, too,
think there's more to Neville than meets the eye -- and he's braver than he
appears as well.

And back to the idea of Petunia being the one who displays magic later in
life... I think that could be the case.  Do we really know that Petunia and
Lilly's family were actually Muggles, or did the Evans family just make it
up for some reason?  I can't remember if the omniscient narrator says they
were, or if this is something the characters themselves said or thought.
There are other examples in the series of witches pretending to be, and
marrying, muggles.  Perhaps they had a brother as well, named Perseus.  I
don't know if anyone on the list has brought this up yet, but rearrange the
letters in Perseus Evans, and what do you get:)  Perhaps he was sent away
from the family early on for some reason.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: r_e_d_queen at yahoo.com [mailto:r_e_d_queen at yahoo.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:36 PM
  To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Neville Longbottom and Bertha Jorkins


  > Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner wrote:

  > Of course, it may well be argued that Snape is going about it all
  wrong, and I would even agree.  The way he treats Neville just makes
  the boy *more* timid and leads to *more* blunders, so instead of
  setting him free it just traps him in a vicious cycle (viciousness
  supplied by Snape).  But nobody ever said Snape was a trained
  psychologist.


  Contrast this to the way Lupin treat Neville in the Boggart chapter
  of PoA. Snape is in the teacher's lounge and says something to the
  effect of, "Maybe nobody's told you Lupin, but this class contains
  Neville Longbottom who's incapable of doing anything right unless
  Miss Granger is whispering the answers in his ear." Lupin replies,
  "Actually I was hoping Neville would help me with the first part of
  this operation, and I'm sure he'll perform admirably."

  Neville, shaking in fear at first, goes on to defeat the the Boggart.
  At the end of class he step up again and, with relish, blows it to
  shreds. This makes me think that Neville, far from being a squib,
  could actually have the makings of a powerful wizard, with a little
  encouragement.

  That is, if he can overcome the powerful memory charm that has
  caused his forgetfulness, as has been postulated on this list. I like
  this explanation for Neville's foibles, and it's supported by the
  case of another notoriously forgetful charachter: Bertha Jorkins. In
  GoF35 Barty Jr. says that the memory curse his father placed on
  Bertha Jorkins was too powerful - it damaged her memory
  permanently.

  Red Queen





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