[HPforGrownups] Digest Number 945
mlmnb
mlmnb at msn.com
Tue Jun 5 23:00:11 UTC 2001
No: HPFGUIDX 20244
Just a few random thoughts:
1. Percy's jammies--instead of analyzing the deeper, darker issues Percy
deals with, please, they are all kids, magical or otherwise. Don't any of
you have ornery brothers? If I had brothers like the twins, I'd probably
have my badge and any other precious item with me at all times, including
bedtime!!! I'd probably even keep my homework under my pillow.
2. Names--thoroughly enjoying the nine muses site (referred to in
yesterday's postings) that explains names. JKR makes good use of most her
characters' names. Does seem that the main characters all have pretty
straightforward proper English names.
3. Quidditch-- I can see where some people who don't like sports may not
enjoy the play by play. having coached my son's soccer team, I really do
get into those pages, as I can imagine most of the young readers do too.
Sorry, hope I'm not taking up too much space!
Dane - Ravenclaw
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> 1. Re: Ron's wand Re: Complexity of Characters -- Percy -- Survival
of Characters
> From: "Priscilla Spencer" <priscilla at theninemuses.net>
> 2. Re: Pretty Fly (for that Snape Guy) [filk]
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 3. Re: Complexity of Characters -- Percy -- Survival of Characters
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 4. Re: Chapter 13 Summary
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 5. Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
> From: JamiDeise at aol.com
> 6. Re: Turning to the Dark Side
> From: JamiDeise at aol.com
> 7. Re: I don't get it
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 8. Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
> From: "Trina" <lj2d30 at gateway.net>
> 9. Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 10. Re: Snape and vampirism
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 11. Re: Hermione, Dueling
> From: "Vicky Ra" <andromache815 at hotmail.com>
> 12. Re: Chapter 13 Summary
> From: "Vicky Ra" <andromache815 at hotmail.com>
> 13. Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
> From: Lindsay Stirton <Lindsay at stirton.net>
> 14. Re: Re: I don't get it
> From: "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" <bohners at pobox.com>
> 15. Map again - Lack of TV - PA 12/13 questions
> From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
> 16. MM's Bathroom Location / Thanks
> From: floridian127 at yahoo.com
> 17. Re: How are wizards named? (was I don't get it)
> From: "Vicky Ra" <andromache815 at hotmail.com>
> 18. Re: MM's Bathroom Location / Thanks
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 19. Re: How are wizards named? (was I don't get it)
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> 20. Re: Chapter 13 Summary
> From: Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com>
> 21. Re: Turning to the Dark Side
> From: Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com>
> 22. Re: SHIP H/H (Hermione/Hermione) - was Chapter 12 Summary
> From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com
> 23. Re: Turning to the Dark Side...OT sort of
> From: jacqbeagle at bigpond.com
> 24. Re: Mottos
> From: jenfold at yahoo.com
> 25. Turning to the Dark side/Destinies/Next DADA teacher
> From: "Florence" <fgcjnk at btinternet.com>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:33:12 -0500
> From: "Priscilla Spencer" <priscilla at theninemuses.net>
> Subject: Re: Ron's wand Re: Complexity of Characters -- Percy -- Survival
of Characters
>
> Both of Ron's wands have had Unicorn tail hair. His second was made of
willow (like Lily's) and 14 inches, the second-longest wand mentioned in the
series. The longest being, of course, Hagrid's.
>
> Priscilla Spencer
> http://www.theninemuses.net/hp/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milz <absinthe at mad.scientist.com>
> To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com <HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:05 PM
> Subject: [HPforGrownups] Ron's wand Re: Complexity of Characters --
Percy -- Survival of Characters
>
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at y...> wrote:
> >
> > I like that comment about Ron sacrificing himself, such as in the
> > Chess scene. When this is put with the centaur's remarks on always
> > the innocent are the first to suffer etc. (obvious paraphrase), and
> > the fact that Cedric's wand core is unicorn, as is Ron's this seems
> > possible. Are there any other hints out there that Ron may be the
> > one to die?
> >
> > That is a very interesting observation about Cedric's and Ron's
> wand. If Ron does die I highly doubt it will be until the end of the
> book. JKR is very attached to his character that is why I say this.
> Ron seems a lot more susceptible to things for one thing he's not as
> observant as Hermione and Harry. He also has a much larger
> family...why is this a reason? Well, look at all the people he might
> have to sacrifice himself for, I believe he would for any of his
> family or Hermione and Harry. However, I still think that Ron will
> live. However he is the hero's best friend, and the hero's best
> friend well often times is always very susceptible. However, not
> everyone is going to die...this isn't a tragedy I'm sure. I believe
> it will have a happy ending, leaving many of the characters..including
> some that we still love and care about. But the chessboard thing has
> made me really think about the possibility of him dying much more...I
> hope not though, cuz Ron is one of my favorite characters.
> >
>
> Sorry for using up a message but my books are on-loan right now.
>
> Wasn't it the wand that Ron had in SS/PS and CoS that had the
> unicorn's hair? I seem to remember something that the wood was cracked
> in some places and exposed the unicorn's hair. That was Charlie's old
> wand, right? Then Ron got a new wand in PoA, did that wand have a
> unicorn hair core too, I can't remember if it did or not?
>
> Milz (who's lost without her books)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:16:54 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: Pretty Fly (for that Snape Guy) [filk]
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Indigo" <indigo at i...> wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Mags" <manchisco at y...> wrote:
> > > Snape Lovers, this is for you!
> > >
> > > Pretty Fly (for that Snape Guy)
> > > (to the tune of 'Pretty Fly for a White Guy' by The Offspring)
> > >
> >
> > Normally filks make my skull itch but this one had me fighting
> > not to burst into hysterical laughter at work!
> >
> > thank you for a good, good laugh!
>
> Seconded - very, very good, especially the action!
>
> May I share my theory for _Order of the Phoenix_?
> The phoenix's song is reputed to be magical; I think Harry,
> Fawkes, and the gang are going to form a rock band and play
> in Quidditch stadia around Europe.
>
> And if Colin and Ginny want to have a go at Blink 182's
> _All The Small Things_, that is fine by me.
>
> Robert Carnegie
> Meretricious!
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:21:55 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: Complexity of Characters -- Percy -- Survival of Characters
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Florence" <fgcjnk at b...> wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., JamiDeise at a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 6/3/2001 9:59:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > ilovbrian_99 at y... writes:
> > >
> > > << I have my thoughts that very few of the characters will survive
> > the
> > > series.
> >
> > I disagree. I think most will be affected in some big way, but not
> > all that many killed outright. Actually now I've written the rest of
> > this post I've changed my mind. Maybe there will be quite alot of
> > fatalities.
>
> Snip detailed speculation but there are a whole lot of Weasleys,
> we could lose a few of /them/ without noticing much :-S
>
> Now, don't tell me that's a horrible, horrible thing to say -
> I know it is.
>
> Robert Carnegie
> Meretricious!
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:31:18 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: Chapter 13 Summary
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Trina" <lj2d30 at g...> wrote:
> > > 4. Only 50 points from Slytherin for the dementor trick? (Harry,
> > > Hermione, and Neville lost 150 in the Norbert aftermath.) Should
> > > it have been more? less? detention?
> >
> > I agree with Jamieson - I'd have expelled him. Perhaps not, but such
> > tactics could at least have got Slytherin disqualified from the
> > Quidditch Tournament that year.
>
> Let's be fair. All they did was to dress up in a scary costume.
> How wrong is that, really?
>
> Robert Carnegie
> Meretricious!
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:34:51 EDT
> From: JamiDeise at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2001 7:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sdrk1 at yahoo.com
> writes:
>
> << Actually, I'm pretty sure she is registered. Paraphrasing from Ch.
> 31 (p.614, U.S.) of GoF, Hermione is tring to figure out how Rita
> (that cow!) is listening in AND getting past Moody's eye, when she
> gets a dreamy look and then says, "I think I've got it...just give me
> two seconds in the library to check it out." I assume that she is
> going to the library to check the animagi list. After all, it's been
> a year (maybe more) since she looked up McGonagall, and she proabably
> didn't pay any attention to the name Rita Skeeter the last time,
> considering that she didn't know who Rita Skeeter (that cow!) was at
> the time. >>
>
>
> I got the impression that she was making sure Rita *wasn't* registered.
Just
> knowing Rita was an animagus wouldn't be enough to "get her."
>
> Jami
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:34:50 EDT
> From: JamiDeise at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Turning to the Dark Side
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2001 6:48:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> meboriqua at aol.com writes:
>
> << I am talking
> about the characters who choose to side with Voldie and his
> supporters, perform the Cruciatius Curse, turn their noses up at
> Muggle-borns and so on, which is a drastic thing to do, IMO. >>
>
> Yeah, I think it's pretty drastic too! Since Wormtail is the only
character
> we know who has betrayed his friends and gone over to the dark side, let's
> take a look at his characteristics as an example of what it might take.
> According to McGonagall's recollections in PoA, he wasn't very good at
magic,
> he openly idolized Lupin, James and Sirius, to the point of following them
> around like a little puppy dog, he was little and fat. Later in PoA, he
> whines that Voldemort was so powerful, he had no choice, he would have
killed
> him -- to which Sirius rightly sneered that he should have died rather
than
> betray his friends. So what happened in between the time he was a fat
little
> puppy dog at Hogwarts, to his ultimate betrayal? Lily and James married
and
> had Harry ... Sirius was best man and Harry's godfather. Somehow, the two
> became very important in the fight against Voldemort. Lupin was still
tight
> with them as well.
>
> Perhaps Peter had grown weary of never being good enough as his friends.
He
> saw them become powerful, successful, find love ... and slowly his
> hero-worship turned to jealousy and hate. So he decided to trump them the
> only way he could ... proving that he, Peter Pettigrew, smarter than any
of
> them ever thought.
>
> So who among Harry's circle could fall into this trap? I don't think it's
> anyone we know very well at this point. That's why I think it could be
> someone like Colin ... all we really know about him is how much he
worships
> Harry.
>
> Jami
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:36:51 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: I don't get it
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., Barbara Purdom <blpurdom at y...> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe JKR will
> > give Remus Lupin a twin brother Romulus. Or maybe
> > that would be too precious.
> >
> > Of course, he received his name at birth and was then
> > bitten by a werewolf as a child. Perhaps his parents
> > should have thought better of the name they gave him.
> > If ever someone's destiny were in his name...
>
> Rather bad luck for Virginia Weasley, too, then. :-)
>
> (Have we had a Prospero yet?)
>
> But Neville Longbottom is a short -
>
> Robert Carnegie
> Meretricious!
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:46:53 -0000
> From: "Trina" <lj2d30 at gateway.net>
> Subject: Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
>
> Priscilla Spencer wrote:
> > Actually, when Hermione spills the beans to Harry and Ron (p. 727
> US ed, I can't find my UK copy), she specified that Rita is an
> unregistered Animagus. However, you do bring up an interesting point.
> Why would Hermione need to go to the library? Thoughts?
>
> I think she ran to the library to see if Skeeter were listed. When
> Hermione saw that Skeeter's name was not among the 7 registered, she
> knew.
>
> Trina
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:48:54 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., Andrea <ra_1013 at y...> wrote:
> > --- Stephanie Roark Keener <sdrk1 at y...> wrote:
> > > On the subject that Rita Skeeter is an unregistered
> > > animagus, which
> > > people keep mentioning from time to time:
> > >
> > > Actually, I'm pretty sure she is registered.
> >
> > Actually, Hermione says at the very beginning of the
> > GOF explanation that Rita is "an unregistered
> > Animagus".
>
> The quill (which I haven't got to yet) doesn't need you to
> register, for one thing. So maybe there's a Register of
> Unregistered Animagi.
>
> (Hermione says in PS that many wizards aren't strong on logic...)
>
> Robert Carnegie
> Meretricious!
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:58:06 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: Snape and vampirism
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Jennye & Michael Woolf" <jennyemike-1 at m...>
wrote:
> > First off, I want to introduce myself to the list since this is my first
> > posting. My name is Jennye, I am 29, married and have a baby who doesn't
yet
> > appreciate HP, but I am sure he will!
> >
> > That said, I want to jump in on this thread. I had just been following
it
> > and was on the Snape-is-not-a-vampire side when I was rereading PoA.
After
> > Snape assigned the werewolf essay to the DADA class to try to get the
class
> > to realize that Lupin was a werewolf, Lupin later assigned a vampire
essay
> > to the class (granted it was a few months later, but still...) It was
the
> > only essay that they discussed at length that they had to do for Lupin,
> > *and* Lupin made a point of mentioning that he was having the students
write
> > the vampire essay when he rescued Harry and Ron from Snape's office when
> > Snape found the Marauder's Map on Harry.
> >
> > Just my 2 Knuts on the subject.
> >
> > Jennye
>
> That's good spotting! I'd missed that completely.
> Admittedly, I've missed a lot of things that are
> out in plain sight. Speed reading, I'm afraid.
>
> I'm not sure that I want Snape to be a vampire, though.
> I'm still dodging detailed discussion of GoF until I
> get my own copy, but I've picked up that it's revealed
> that he has - well, a criminal record, let's say -
> and is a rather more sympathetic character than he
> seems to be at first (or so some people think).
> I feel that that's enough trouble for one character
> to have to cope with, without craving the blood of
> his students all the time as well. That's assuming
> that being a vampire is inconvenient in daily life,
> which might not be the case once JKR has worked over
> the concept.
>
> Robert Carnegie
> Meretricious!
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:57:47 -1000
> From: "Vicky Ra" <andromache815 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hermione, Dueling
>
> Amy:
> > I think Hermione stands up to intimidation pretty well. Holding
> > Lucius's stare at the QWC, keeping on with SPEW when most of her
> > classmates (including her best friends) think it's laughable,
> > withstanding the ridicule that came along with the Daily
> > Prophet/Witch Weekly articles, taking on Rita Skeeter . . . What do
> > you see that makes you think she's easily intimidated?
>
> You have excellent points. I could never have kept up with SPEW. However,
> she ought to have asked the house-elves what they thought. Her intentions
> were good, but I suppose she always has a "wiser-than-though" attitude. As
> far as the ridicule from the Rita Skeeter article goes, I think she could
> take that because she knew it was a lie. I'm not sure what was so brave
> about catching Rita. I personally would have killed her. Well, maybe I
> wouldn't if I knew she was human. Then again, I did want Pettigrew dead.
>
> Amber: I mean, who else would take on tons of
> extra classes and live longer than 24 hour days?
>
> Definitely not me.
>
> Amber: In summary, Hermione is a powerhouse of will; nobody get in her
way,
> she'll mow you down!
>
> Agreed. Sometimes, she's too stubborn, to the point of disregarding her
> friends' feelings. What I wonder is why she didn't try to clear her name
> with Molly, and why she never confronts Snape on his horrible treatment of
> her and other Gryffs. I'm kinda hoping for a confrontation between the two
> of them in a later book. Also, she and McGonagall both seem afraid to say
> "Voldemort," and I say Voldy has an advantage over them if they fear him.
> Then again, I'd probably fear him, too, unless, like Sirius and Lupin, I
had
> some reason to be upset with him, and my anger overrode all rational
> thought. In short, you guys are right that she has moral courage, to stand
> up for ridiculous ideas. However, I believe she's afraid of failure, and
> she's afraid of being wrong, and so, whenever she is, she doesn't admit
it.
> Her self-worth seems to depend on her cleverness, which could work against
> her.
>
> On another topic, have any of you noticed that there are almost no scenes
> with women duelling? I know there was the dueling club scene, but then,
that
> seemed to have devolved more or less into a cat fight. I want to see
> something where Hermione actually gets to show some of *her* power,
instead
> of Harry and Ron always doing the fighting.
>
> Vicky
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:47:53 -1000
> From: "Vicky Ra" <andromache815 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Chapter 13 Summary
>
> 2. Did Harry see the Grim on the way back to the castle or was he
> just imagining things? Why doesn't he tell Ron?
>
> He most likely did see the Grim. As for not telling Ron, I wouldn't,
either,
> if my friend believed in it as much as Ron did.
>
> 3. Do you like the descriptions of the Quidditch matches? Are they
> just a waste of pages?
>
> At the risk of incurring the wrath of all the Quidditch lovers here, I
say,
> for the most part, i.e., the descriptions of the matches are a waste of
> pages. However, they often contain important bits of the plot, so I
tolerate
> them. I hate sports in general, so of course, I wouldn't like this.
>
> 4. Only 50 points from Slytherin for the dementor trick? (Harry,
> Hermione, and Neville lost 150 in the Norbert aftermath.) Should it
> have been more? less? detention?
>
> It should have been 50 points each. Either that, or twenty-five points and
a
> detention. I don't think it was a crime worthy of expulsion, however,
> because Harry did defend himself against it.
>
> 5. What did the spectators see when the patronus charged down Malfoy
> and gang?
>
> Probably the full stag, as Lupin had commented on it after the match.
>
> 6. Why did Percy pin his HB badge to his jammies? Is he afraid the
> others will forget he *is* Head Boy?
>
> Percy has a right to be proud of his status. However, pinning the badge to
> his pajamas was somewhat obsessive. He annoys me, personally.
>
> 7. Neville: brave, or "abysmally foolish"?
>
> Brave for owning up to his mistake and getting yelled at. Foolish for
> leaving those passwords around in the first place.
>
> Good discussion questions, BTW.
>
> Vicky
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 02:19:24 -0500
> From: Lindsay Stirton <Lindsay at stirton.net>
> Subject: Re: Rita Skeeter Bug
>
>
> > Actually, when Hermione spills the beans to Harry and Ron (p. 727 US ed,
I
> > can't find my UK copy), she specified that Rita is an unregistered
Animagus.
> > However, you do bring up an interesting point. Why would Hermione need
to go
> > to the library? Thoughts?
>
> Well, naturally she would have to check the Animagi Register, to see
whether
> she was registered. Only if she was unregistered would she be breaking the
> law.
>
> Lindsay Stirton
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:49:28 -0400
> From: "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" <bohners at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: I don't get it
>
> > > If ever someone's destiny were in his name...
>
> > Rather bad luck for Virginia Weasley, too, then. :-)
>
> Actually, we don't know her name is Virginia, do we? It could just as
> easily be Genevieve.
> --
> Rebecca J. Bohner
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 01:14:38 -0400
> From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Map again - Lack of TV - PA 12/13 questions
>
> Allyse wrote:
>
> >An oft mentioned theory is that only a fellow Marauder can see MWPP on
the
> >map, which is why Lupin was able to see Wormtail; but the counter
argument
> >is that Snape was able to see Moony when he found the map on Lupin's
desk.
> >
> >I just wondered if anyone had advanced the theory to include the person
who
> >first *activated* the map.
> >Then, when Snape came into the office with the potion and discovered the
> >map, Lupin would be visible, since it was Lupin himself who activitated.
>
> You are so smart! That makes perfect sense. (Send it to Jo so she'll
have
> a ready answer when some 9-year-old asks her how come no one ever noticed
> Peter before.)
>
> Catherine wrote:
>
> >do all the Muggleborn children have withdrawals from TV when they go
> to Hogwarts?
>
> Nope, 'cause being at Hogwarts is way better than anything TV has to
offer.
> That's why supposedly hyperactive, TV-addicted boys will spend three days
> straight reading a 700-page book about it, foregoing TV altogether.
>
> >4. *Is* it obvious what is making Lupin ill? (yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
> >Pretend this is the first time you've read PoA)
>
> Well, if you've done your werewolf essay it is.
>
> I'm not sure when I became sure that Lupin was a werewolf--I swear, when I
> read OoP I'm going to make running notes so I can look back and see what I
> theorized when--but I think I got it by this point in the story. I didn't
> get that his Boggart turned into the moon, though. I thought it really
was
> a crystal ball and that he didn't like them because someone looking into
one
> would know what he was . . . at least I think that's what I thought. I
also
> strongly suspected that he =was= helping Sirius into the castle, so so
much
> for my prescience.
>
> Jamieson wrote:
>
> >It should have been a lot more. I think Malfoy should have been expelled.
> >::hides from those who are now booing him at the thought of having Malfoy
> >gone::
>
> Tell you what. We'll make you and the booers happy by keeping Malfoy at
> Hogwarts, but adding to his punishment that he must wear painfully tight
> leather trousers at all times.
>
> BTW, the points system =is= very arbitrary; it seems to depend more on the
> mood of the teacher than anything else. Coming soon to a Lexicon near
you:
> a complete list of all cases of points being added or subtracted so you
can
> judge for yourself: is McGonagall fairer than Snape? is Snape harder on
> Gryffindors than on any other students? and what the heck is Percy's
> problem?
>
> Indigo wrote:
>
> >Add to that that his other best friend is a know-it-all who takes *every*
> >opportunity to prove she's smart and the boys are dumb and couldn't
> >possibly form a coherent thought without her. <snip>
>
> >Add to *that* that not only has Hermione showed zero respect for Ron's
> >feelings, she has now showed zero respect for Harry's feelings,
>
> These are surely Ron's views, at times at least, but I respectfully submit
> that he needs to get a grip.
>
> Hermione may be a know-it-all, but she doesn't think the boys are dumb and
> by PoA, she seldom treats them as if they are. The "isn't it obvious?"
> about what's wrong with Lupin really stands out, in fact (and I don't much
> blame her for being snippy at that point since they've been giving her the
> silent treatment for some weeks).
>
> As for showing zero respect for Harry's feelings: Hermione respects
Harry's
> feelings, not to mention his life; it's Harry who isn't taking the danger
to
> himself seriously. If I were Hermione or Ron, I'd be worried that he had
a
> death wish at this point. He's just that week learned that Black, for all
> intents and purposes, murdered his parents; he knows Black has been in the
> castle; and he still isn't taking Black's threat against his life
seriously.
> Ron is being even more irresponsible not to try to rein Harry in
(Harry's
> own unwillingness to face facts is more understandable to me). I hand it
to
> Hermione for being the only one of the three mature enough to look
> objectively at this gift. Her only misstep, IMO, is that she should have
> said exactly what she was thinking when she first saw the Firebolt: not
> just "I don't think you should ride it" but "I think Black sent it to
you."
> That would at least have given Harry the opportunity to weigh her
> objections.
>
> >And she's convinced herself that it's instinct for a cat to chase a rat.
>
> Is this something one has to convince oneself of? Sounds like plain truth
> to me.
>
> I'm confused, Indigo--aren't you an R/Her? How can you want to see R/H if
> you love Ron and can't stand Hermione?
>
> Amy Z
> who loves 'em both to death
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 05:30:42 -0000
> From: floridian127 at yahoo.com
> Subject: MM's Bathroom Location / Thanks
>
> In CoS Moaning Myrtle's bathroom is stated to be on the
> first floor. Then when H/H/R run up the stairs and find
> Mrs Norris petrified they were on the second floor. They
> past the feast in the great hall, rounded the first floor
> and leaped up steps to the next floor [not exact]. Later
> it is on the first floor again.
>
> Write off as incorrect mention or moving staircase?
>
> I checked lexicon and Steve has it on the second floor.
> http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/hogwarts_floors.html
>
>
> OT: I have gotten rain after posting message 19882
> I know none of you kind Witches and Wizards would break magic
> law and affect the weather.[wink] But I am sure some of you
> wanted to, and for that I am grateful. We still need plenty
> more.[ChOiUnGtH]
>
> Thanks, Floridian.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:12:20 -1000
> From: "Vicky Ra" <andromache815 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: How are wizards named? (was I don't get it)
>
> Barbara: Of course, he received his name at birth and was then bitten by a
> werewolf as a child. Perhaps his parents should have thought better of
the
> name they gave him.
> If ever someone's destiny were in his name...
>
> I've noticed that names often reflect the personalities of their owners.
> Could it be that wizarding parents name their children when they have a
> better idea of the child's personality? I know Voldy was named right away,
> but his mother was dying. But then, there's the problem of what to call
> children if they are babies, if they don't have a permanent name till
> childhood. This question comes to mind because I hear Native Americans do
> that. Children are given temporary names until more of their character is
> known, so they get a fitting name. Actually, I'm not sure if this is still
> practiced. I know it *was* a century or two ago.
>
> Vicky
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:28:57 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: MM's Bathroom Location / Thanks
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., floridian127 at y... wrote:
> > In CoS Moaning Myrtle's bathroom is stated to be on the
> > first floor. Then when H/H/R run up the stairs and find
> > Mrs Norris petrified they were on the second floor. They
> > past the feast in the great hall, rounded the first floor
> > and leaped up steps to the next floor [not exact]. Later
> > it is on the first floor again.
> >
> > Write off as incorrect mention or moving staircase?
> >
> > I checked lexicon and Steve has it on the second floor.
> > http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/hogwarts_floors.html
>
> Steve does describe it as out of order... :-)
>
> Lucky Myrtle has a maisonette bathroom?
>
> Robert Carnegie
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>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:49:16 -0000
> From: rja.carnegie at excite.com
> Subject: Re: How are wizards named? (was I don't get it)
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Vicky Ra" <andromache815 at h...> wrote:
> > Barbara: Of course, he received his name at birth and was then bitten by
a
> > werewolf as a child. Perhaps his parents should have thought better of
the
> > name they gave him.
> > If ever someone's destiny were in his name...
> >
> > I've noticed that names often reflect the personalities of their owners.
> > Could it be that wizarding parents name their children when they have a
> > better idea of the child's personality? I know Voldy was named right
away,
> > but his mother was dying. But then, there's the problem of what to call
> > children if they are babies, if they don't have a permanent name till
> > childhood. This question comes to mind because I hear Native Americans
do
> > that. Children are given temporary names until more of their character
is
> > known, so they get a fitting name. Actually, I'm not sure if this is
still
> > practiced. I know it *was* a century or two ago.
>
> Someone told me there were 500 "nations" of Native Americans
> with, presumably, various customs. Isn't there some business
> of being crucified with hooks -
>
> But you're right that we don't know for sure how _some_
> wizarding families name their children. I say "some" because
> the Weasleys, for one, named at least Ginny _before_ she was
> old enough to go to Hogwarts after Charlie, Bill, Percy, Fred,
> George, and Ron.
>
> Is that the lot? And what's the theme? Charles, William
> and George were kings of the United Kingdom (let's leave
> it at that); Frederick is a royal name elsewhere; if it _is_
> Virginia, that was named after Queen Elizabeth's most dubious
> virtue (small pun); Ronald Reagan was president of the U.S.;
> Percy, Percival, um, Blackadder's sidekick - blame the milkman,
> perhaps. And the father of them all is - gosh, Arthur!
>
> And so that is the secret of book 7 - Ron Weasley's dad
> is revealed to be King Arthur of Britain. (Or not.)
>
> Remus Lupin may, indeed, be from another country and another
> culture, where wizard children's names are more meaningful.
> Only Hogwarts in Britain, under Dumbledore, would have him.
> If Lupin is the patronymic (otherwise he'd be Professor Remus),
> well that's just bad luck. If it _is_ a patronymic and not
> just an adjective.
>
> Robert Carnegie
> Meretricious!
> (well, yes, it is an adjective, but - )
>
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 00:31:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Chapter 13 Summary
>
>
> 1. Why does Hermione not exhibit the least bit of sympathy for Ron on
> the loss of Scabbers? Does Ron just have it in for Crookshanks
> because he jumped on his head in Diagon Alley? The only reason that I can
find that Hermione is not really showing much sympathy for Ron is that she
is just over stressed and on the verge of a mental breakdown. Everything
that is coming out of every persons mouth is starting to get on her nerves
and here is Ron attacking the one thing that isn't getting on her nerves
becaue he can't talk! Not that I am condoning Hermione's actions at all,
nor Ron. Ron has it in for a lot of things right now. He has a lot of
pent out anger (which has been discussed before) and Crookshanks is just an
easy target. Has anyone else ever noticed that Ron and Hermione rarely ever
just talk, they are always bickering of sorts? I'm not sure but eventually
the lack of communication between those 2 is going to cause major problems,
it already has.
>
> 2. Did Harry see the Grim on the way back to the castle or was he
> just imagining things? Why doesn't he tell Ron?
> He saw Sirius not the grim. He didn't want Ron to worry much, and he also
didn't want him to think he was crazy, and Harry thought he was crazy at
that point.
> 3. Do you like the descriptions of the Quidditch matches? Are they
> just a waste of pages?
> NO, I think they make a wonderful diversion from the actual story, and
sometimes things happen at the matches that are important to the story.
However, sometimes I think they are repetitive. But for the most part I
think they are well written and fun.
> 4. Only 50 points from Slytherin for the dementor trick? (Harry,
> Hermione, and Neville lost 150 in the Norbert aftermath.) Should it
> have been more? less? detention? Should have atleast been 50 points
each, not just total and a detention.
>
> 5. What did the spectators see when the patronus charged down Malfoy
> and gang?
>
> 6. Why did Percy pin his HB badge to his jammies? Is he afraid the
> others will forget he *is* Head Boy?
> Percy has some pride issues going on, this is why I dislike him so much.
He is soo full of himself. But maybe its some sort of nice little
important/security thing for him. Kind of like me wearing my cross all the
time as because I'm a Christian.
> 7. Neville: brave, or "abysmally foolish"?
> Both
> 8. How did Sirius Black get into the castle?I have no idea but it boils
down to the Dementors not doing a very good job.
>
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Turning to the Dark Side
>
>
> Okay,
>
> My Percy speculation is what it is mere speculation. I think that I see a
LOT of similarities between Voldie's deatheaters and the Hitler's Nazi's.
If we are going on that level there seem to be two characters that come to
my mind in the Weasley family that would be persuaded; Percy and Ron. Percy
is obssessed with power and rules. I think that if faced with the decision
between what is right and what is breaking the law, I think at first he
would go with not breaking the law. He has so much to risk career wise.
However, once he sees that career gains will not make him happy if he looses
the all his family and friends. I don't know....it's just he idolizes
people and sometime when you do that, you are more likely to be absentminded
when they are making mistakes.
>
> Ron is another character that I'd be worried about. This is because
Voldie and his deatheaters probably play on insecure, misunderstood,
ignored people. I know this sounds silly but we could be looking a wormtail
to some degree with Ron. Before you go throwing things at me hear me out, I
think that Ron often does feel like a third wheel, even though he most
certainly is not. I think that he seems overshadowed by his extremely
skillful best friends Harry and Hermione. He is also overshadowed by his
family. From this wonderful quidditch player, Charlie, to the head boys
Bill and Percy, to the notorious troublemakers Fred and George. And Ginny
is the only girl so I don't think he feels he has to compete with her as
much. The only thing he is known for is Harry's best friend. Which is
awesome but where is it really getting him. I think the glory and fame, and
power of the dark side might seem appealing to Ron. Although, I hope and
pray that Ron would never turn out like that..cuz he's my favorite
character! Oh and I hope you all understand this post. I'm didn't get much
sleep so I'm kind of rambeling.
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:39:30 -0000
> From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com
> Subject: Re: SHIP H/H (Hermione/Hermione) - was Chapter 12 Summary
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at w...> wrote:
> > One thing I've wondered about - why couldn't Hermione have used the
> > turner to dial up a few extra hours of naptime? Maybe she was being
> > too Type A to think of it (she would have never thought to use to
> > save Black and Buckbeak without Dumbledore's prompting). Or maybe,
> > just like meeting your past or future self, terrible things have
> > happened to wizards who overslept while time-turning!
> >
>
> and what would Parvati et al have made of two Hermiones in bed?
>
> David
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:40:24 -0000
> From: jacqbeagle at bigpond.com
> Subject: Re: Turning to the Dark Side...OT sort of
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> > I've been reading postings that speculate about which characters
> will
> > "turn" to the Dark Side. Something about that is bothering me.
> >
> > What exactly does it take to "turn" to the Dark Side anyway?
>
> [snip]
> > --jenny from ravenclaw********************************
>
> What bothers me is why it is referred to as the 'Dark Side', by the
> people on the 'dark side'. Why they wouldn't call it the 'good side,
> the sensible side, the practical side ?
>
> Rowena
>
> (who also has the same problem with Star Wars)
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:31:37 -0000
> From: jenfold at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Mottos
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., rja.carnegie at e... wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., JamiDeise at a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 6/3/2001 11:08:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > heidi.h.tandy.c92 at a... writes:
> > >
> > > << Slytherin:
> > > Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum
> saxum immane
> > > mittam. (translated, I have a catapult - give me all your money
> or I'll fling
> > > an enormous rock at hour head - again, Henry Beard)
> > > >>
> > >
> > > wouldn't Slytherin's motto be in Parseltongue? hissssss hiss
> hisssssssss
> >
> > Good idea - but I think none of _them_, masters or students, can
> speak
> > Parseltongue either. Bit of a drawback, that.
> >
> > Given Salazar Slytherin's troubled relationship with the school,
> > how about "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me
> > as a member"? Bit long, though - still, they could inscribe it
> > lengthwise on their heraldic serpent.
> >
> > There's a musical instrument called the serpent, but "The note
> > depends very much on the embouchure" is as near to there as I want
> > to go :-) If that was their motto, it has the merit (as they might
> > see it) that when you find out what it means, it's too late.
> >
> > Is there a wizarding version of "All your base are belong to us"?
> > Or, plain and simple - but subtle - "Break a leg".
> >
> > "Snake eyes, you lose"?
> >
> > Robert Carnegie
> > Meretricious!
>
> How about "The end justifies the means." If Macheavelli had gone to
> Hogwarts he'd be a Slytherin.
>
> Jen
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:54:00 -0000
> From: "Florence" <fgcjnk at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Turning to the Dark side/Destinies/Next DADA teacher
>
> Turning to the dark side. In my opinion this will come down to
> "choosing what is easy over what is right". Only the really evil gits
> will wander along to Lord Voldemort and swear allegience to him of
> their own volition; others will be blackmailed, tricked and bullied
> into helping the Dark cause and may or may not be actually recruited
> as Death Eaters.
>
> For instance: Ludo Bagman has a big Goblin problem and could easily
> be approached by say Malfoy who could suggest that he would get the
> goblins off his back in return for passing information from the
> ministry. Of course this assumes that Ludo is not already a Death
> Eater and that his disappearance after the third task was really him
> responding to Voldemorts summons.
>
> Percy's (and other nice guys) choices are likely to be more subtle.
> He would certainly be more strongly morally opposed to passing
> ministry info directly, but, being rule bound may follow instructions
> from infiltrators of the ministry without thinking. Or go down the
> route of Barty Crouch senior and (for career progression) ruthlessly
> implement dark methods in the fight against the dark side to the
> extent that he is no longer morally aware of the distinction between
> right and wrong.
>
> I really like the suggestion that Colin might parallel Petigrew and be
> tempted to the dark side by strong armed bully tactics. He could then
> be the insignificant bod that nobody suspects but later turns out bad.
> The reason I especially like the suggestion is that this leaves
> Neville for some nobler destiny. I'd like him to discover a herb with
> strong mind-curative properties (maybe Longbottom Leaf, which should
> be smoked - as in the Lord of the Rings). With this he could revive
> his parents and restore his own memory (and maybe that of the Armenian
> warlock who really knows how to perform the complex Homorphus charm
> that could cure Lupin). This would enable him to become Herbology
> professor (which has been rumoured), although I guess that would mean
> I should add Professor Sprout (another innocent Hufflepuff) to the
> killed-off possibilities.
>
> Someone was asking about who the next DADA teacher might be, and
> nobody has yet proposed Florence!! If it really was Snape she was
> kissing, she might know plenty about the Dark Arts. Just a wild guess
> though really.
>
> Florence
>
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