Vampire Info, Snape and Krum, wands

[Kelley]

No: HPFGUIDX 20412

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., koinonia02 at y... wrote:
> Kelley> Vampires were thought to be able to *take the form of a 
bat*, or many *other animals* (---eagle owl?), as well as a mist. 
They were able to  control creatures like *rats* (is this why 
Pettigrew 'went Dark'?) and wolves, and the elements were at their 
command. >>>>>>>>>>
> 
> Koinonia> In some lore vampires (Snape) and werewolves (Lupin) do 
not get along.  There is also folklore of vampires controlling 
dogs.>>>>>

Pippin's mentioned about vampires and werewolves not getting along; I 
hoped to find some info regarding this, but so far nothing.  Do 
either of you have any more info about this?
  
> Kelley>  Some kinds of  vampires were thought to be endowed with 
the *ability to fly* (--- Krum?). >>
> 
> Koinonia> There has to be more to Krum than we know.  In GoF it 
says Harry had never seen anyone fly like that;  Krum hardly looked 
as though he was using a broomstick at all;  he moved so easily 
through the air that he looked unsupported and weightless.
> Then we are told how awkward Krum looks while walking. >>>>>>>

Yes, exactly.  Harry 'thinks', too, that it's hard to believe he's 
only eighteen.  Hmmm...  Also, besides the description of his looks 
(sallow skin; thick, dark brows; large, curved nose), he is described 
as looking like "an overgrown bird of prey".  Could this be a clue 
that Krum is something else?  Something other than a vampire?  When 
searching for vampire info, I came across references to an 
Indian 'fairy tale' about King Vikram.  This name jumped out at me--
look how close Viktor Krum is to King Vikram.  (Or is it just me?)  
Here's a bit from the stories' intro; this is from Project Gutenberg:

"The Baital-Pachisi, or Twenty-five Tales of a Baital is the history 
of a huge Bat, Vampire, or Evil Spirit which inhabited and animated 
dead bodies. It is an old, and thoroughly Hindu, Legend composed in 
Sanskrit, and is the germ which culminated in the Arabian 
Nights...<>  The story turns chiefly on a great king named Vikram, 
the King Arthur of the East, who in pursuance of his promise to a 
Jogi or Magician, brings to him the Baital (Vampire), who is hanging 
on a tree. The difficulties King Vikram and his son have in bringing 
the Vampire into the presence of the Jogi are truly laughable; and on 
this thread is strung a series of Hindu fairy stories, which contain 
much interesting information on Indian customs and manners..."

Regarding Krum, re the 'bird of prey' bit, could this be a 
foreshadowing?  Perhaps he'll have to 'bring in' Snape.... 

> Koinonia> By the way, in PoS, McGonagall says this about 
Harry; 'The boys a natural.  I've never seen anything like it.'
> Krum and Harry are both naturals.  Harry had never seen anyone fly 
> like Krum and McGonagall had never seen anyone fly like Harry.  
They seem to share something in common. >>>>>>>

Interesting.  I don't know what to make of this.  Maybe Harry has 
some Phoenix in him? 
 
> Kelley <(No evidence of any wands made of these yet, 
>  no?>>>>>>>>
>
> Koinonia>> Krum has a wand made out of hornbeam and dragon 
heartstring. Don't know about Snape. >>>>>>>>

That's true; I'm really curious about Snape's wand (so to speak).  
Btw, does Ollivander use only dragon heartstrings, unicorn hair, and 
phoenix feathers as cores?  Seems a bit limited.  If this -is- the 
case, (and as far as we know it is, yes?) then lots of people must 
have phoenix feathers in their wands, right? 
 
> Koinonia>> It seems a dhampir has this strong desire to kill his 
vampire father and yes they are vampire hunters.  I know this is *far 
out* but if Snape is a vampire or even a dhampir, could he not have 
some special ability to hunt down other vampires?  
> In his search for immortality, I would imagine Voldemort spent some 
> time around vampires.  We are told about vampires in a forest and 
how Voldemort spent time in a forest.  The books don't say it is the 
same forest but it could be. Could not Snape be able to track 
Voldemort in some way? >>>>>

I was thinking along these lines as well.  Maybe his mission is to 
find Vold's new head quarters, rather than the double-agent duty.  I 
was also thinking that the vampire thing could have been how Snape 
ended up becoming a DE as well.  Vold would most likely have become a 
vampire (-if- he is one, from the immortality stand point) long 
before Snape was around; I mean, Vold -is- almost twice Snape's age.  
Vold started gaining power the first time around the time that the 
Marauder generation were first years, right?

> Koinonia>> When Krum was first described, I thought of Snape.  They 
do share many of the same physical characteristics.  However, now 
that we know Snape's age, I don't know how he could be Krum's 
father.  Also we are told that Krum has inherited his father's hooked 
nose. >>>>>>

Snape's nose isn't hooked?  Actually, if Snape is 35, he technically 
could be Krum's father, but granted, he would only have been 17 at 
the time.  Another side thought; when JKR gave Snape's age, she said 
either "About 35," or "Around 35".  Why give the answer like that, 
when she was definite with Dumbledore's and McGonagall's 
ages?  "Dumbledore is 150, and McGonagall a sprightly 70," right?
 
>> Koinonia>> When doing research on Vlad, there was mention of the 
colors they wore at that time.  Red  was one of the colors.  I forget 
what the meaning was but I believe it had to do with vampires.  The 
kids from Durmstrang wore red.  Green was also another color worn and 
I believe it had to do with dragons.  On a side note, I think there 
is more to dragons than has been discussed. >>>>>>>

Interesting.  I wonder if this has any tie to Gryffindor's color 
being red?  I was wondering about the dragons, too.  I hope you're 
right, and that they get to play a bigger role in the rest of the 
books.
 
> Kelley > Modern vampires have become more sensual and seductive and 
very alluring. Blood is known to be very powerful: it is the source 
of life and health and sexual passion. The sensations excited by the 
> > flow of blood are real and oftentimes intense.
> 
> Koinonia>> Someone else suggested today that maybe Snape was biting 
the neck of Florence and not kissing her ;)  That's it!  He just 
couldn't control his passion!!! >>>>>>>>>>
 
Hahaha, sounds good to me.
 
> I'm not sure what spiritual vampires are.  Don't know if I want to 
> know ;) >>>>>>>>>>

>From what I read, they sound an awful lot like the dementors.
 
> Koinonia>> Thanks for a great read!  I enjoyed it.>>>>>>>>>

Thanks!  Glad you liked it.  There are lots of sites with vampire 
info out there; you wouldn't believe some of it...

> I still believe Snape is a vampire and I wouldn't be surprised if 
> there are others we have already read about that are also.
> 
> Still in the minority,
> Koinonia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Heh, well, I'm right there with you.  I think I believe this theory 
more strongly than any of the others about the books; about on par 
with Harry is a/the descendant of Gryffindor.  (I don't even think 
of "Snape is a vampire" as a theory; it feels absolutely definite to 
me.  Ah well, time will tell.)

Kelley