LM insane/abusive?, SHIPping,

[Haggridd]

No: HPFGUIDX 21116

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> Heidi wrote:
> 
> >It all depends on how  you define insane. Obviously, he's not 
insane 
> under
> >the M'Naughton rule - he does know where he is & what is happening, 
> and he
> >doesn't think, in CoS, that he's handing a jelly donut to a puppy 
dog 
> when
> >he gives Riddle's diary to Ginny.
> 
> LOL!  I assume the M'Naughton rule is the legal standard?  I always 
> thought it was cockeyed.  I've known lots of crazy people--I mean, 
> diagnosably, inarguably severely mentally ill--and most of them were 
> quite cogent most of the time.  It's the 5% of the time, or 5% of 
the 
> insights, that are screwy that cause the trouble.  Anway, I was 
using 
> "insane" very loosely, but yes, you could easily imagine a Lucius 
who 
> obsessively controls his wife and/or son, is paranoid, has delusions 
> of grandeur, is narcissistic (meaning clinically), or has some other 
> form of mental illness that doesn't keep him from being an 
intelligent 
> and mostly rational person.

I think we need to differentiate the state of insanity, from that 
ofbeing responsible for ones actions.  I don't believe that any 
current legal standard need necesarily apply. It is a moral 
reponsibility that obtains here.   IMO, JKR has demonstrated that 
Lucius is a player, not a pawn, and deserves whatever end he receives.
> 
> Penny wrote:
> 
> > Am I reading "I might possibly *prefer* another pairing other than 
> R/H, but I
> >don't see it ever happening so I'll just favor R/H by default"?  
> 
> Nope.  You're reading "shipper can mean either 'I want this romance 
to 
> happen' or 'I think this romance is going to happen,'" and I'm an 
R/H 
> shipper of the latter variety.  I don't care whether they get 
> together.
> 
> I am a shipper of the former variety about some other relationships. 
 
> I don't want Harry and Ginny to get together (sorry, Jenny--does 
this 
> mean you won't want to share my cabin on the Good Ship R/H?).  I do 
> want Hagrid and Maxime to get together, if they aren't already.  Uh, 
> let's see.  I don't want Molly and Arthur to get divorced, but then 
I 
> haven't noticed anyone worrying about that one.  I don't want Percy 
to 
> marry Penny.  I don't care if Harry dates Cho but I don't want it to 
> get serious.  I don't want RL to marry anyone but AZ.  ::pauses to 
> wipe off hands, get better grip on reality:
> 
I too believe that Ron and Hermione will end up together, but that is 
my assessment of JKR's intent;  I am disinterested (not uninterested, 
I do want to know, I just don't have any emotional stke in the 
outcome.) in who ends up with whom, be it Harry, Ginny, Ron, Krum, 
Draco, or even Millicent Bulstrode.  I just want it to be as well 
written as JKR usually writes.

Hagridd