More about Lucius

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Saitaina wrote:
"To sum up what my personal beliefs are, I think Saitaina wrote:
To sum up what my personal beliefs are, I think Lucius is quite happy 
on the
dark side and not about to switch.  Despite my waving of Peter and 
Lucius
support signs, I believe he is as un-redeemable as Voldemort himself 
and
shall morn his death in coming books, but this is of course, my humble
opinion.  As for what made Lucius as dark as he is...I believe while 
he was
quite young (late teens early 20's) He was most likely seduced to the 
side
of Dark by Voldemort offering him what he wanted most, more power.  
Like
Peter, Lucius wants to be protected by the biggest bully on the 
playground.
Why choose the other side when this snakey looking man can kill with 
two
words?  I don't think though, that Lucius has plans as anything more 
then
Voldemort's Number one DE.  He hasn't exampled the power needed nor 
gave any
indication he was disgusted with his position, save GoF when it was
mentioned he never looked for Voldie.  While I do believe Lucius 
wanted to
be the big bad, he knows he can't do it with Voldemort around, hence 
his not
looking for him.  If you want to be the biggest kid on the block, why 
go
looking for someone whom you know can squash you like  bug.  I do 
believe
Lucius held control of the remaining free Death Eaters while the dark 
lord
was gone, (most likely the World Cup fiasco was his idea), but when
Voldemort returned I do believe he lost his position and will spend 
more of
his energies on regaining his master's good graces then trying to 
over throw
him.
and not about to switch.  Despite my waving of Peter and Lucius
support signs, I believe he is as un-redeemable as Voldemort himself 
and
shall morn his death in coming books, but this is of course, my humble
opinion.  As for what made Lucius as dark as he is...I believe while 
he was
quite young (late teens early 20's) He was most likely seduced to the 
side
of Dark by Voldemort offering him what he wanted most, more power.  
Like
Peter, Lucius wants to be protected by the biggest bully on the 
playground.
Why choose the other side when this snakey looking man can kill with 
two
words?  I don't think though, that Lucius has plans as anything more 
then
Voldemort's Number one DE.  He hasn't exampled the power needed nor 
gave any
indication he was disgusted with his position, save GoF when it was
mentioned he never looked for Voldie.  While I do believe Lucius 
wanted to
be the big bad, he knows he can't do it with Voldemort around, hence 
his not
looking for him.  If you want to be the biggest kid on the block, why 
go
looking for someone whom you know can squash you like  bug.  I do 
believe
Lucius held control of the remaining free Death Eaters while the dark 
lord
was gone, (most likely the World Cup fiasco was his idea), but when
Voldemort returned I do believe he lost his position and will spend 
more of
his energies on regaining his master's good graces then trying to 
over throw
him."

This contains certainly one of the most interesting oxymorons I have 
ever read: Lucius being "quite happy on the Dark side"! I think that 
the notion of happiness does not exist there. Lucius has certainly 
found the right place on the Dark Side and that's why (here I agree 
with you) he will never change sides.
And, frankly, I don't think that he joined Voldemort because he was 
longing for power: He's coming from one of those very ancient wizard 
families who just have, or rather, who just *are* power. They are 
very wealthy and can buy themselves everything they want, including 
power, which is surely one of the most easy things to buy, if only 
you've  got enough money.
This discussion has made me think about lucius more than I originally 
wanted to, because until now, he has always been a rather marginal 
figure, in terms of apparitions in the books. And I've come to the 
conclusion that what he could do with, and only with, Voldemort, was 
giving free rein to his cruelty. I think he just likes torturing 
people and I'd say that's a hobby you can't enjoy within "normal" 
society. 
which brings me back to my thought of this morning (and thank you, 
Dave, for commenting on it): If Lucius *was* V.'s illegitimate son, 
this doesn't necessarily make him or Draco slytherin's *true* heir. 
One of the heirs, of course, but not the true one, obviously this 
requires something more than being just a blood relative. Between 
slytherin and Riddle, there have been lots of Slytherin's heirs at 
Hogwarts, I suppose, but the legend does not mention the chamber 
having been opened before Tom Riddle did it. 
And Draco is, IMO, just a mere shadow of his father. At least, I 
can't imagine Lucius at the age of 13 squealing "He's killed me, he's 
killed me", when injured by a Hippogriff. Draco is just copying what 
he sees his father doing, and not giving a very convincing 
performance. That's why I don't agree with those speaking of Lucius 
as a child- abuser: He just wanted a son he could be proud of and has 
got only Draco ( who seems to be the only son)---serves him right!!!, 
the put-down Draco gets in the shop at Knockturn Alley won't be 
neither the first nor the last.

susanna (who absolutely dislikes her sudden fascination with Lucius)