[HPforGrownups] SHIP: Ron & the Yule Ball

[morine10 at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 13644

Penny:
Continue to read R/H shippers.  Believe it or not, I'm largely on your
> side on this one.  <g>
> 

Yikes!  'Tis the calm before the storm.  Cap'n Kathy - batten down the 
hatches!!!! <vbg>

> 
> this is 
more to do with his
> perception that she was just "good old Hermione" who wasn't really a
> "girl" in his mind until it was becoming clear that he was going to have
> trouble getting a date at the 11th hour.
> 

I agree, Ron is not very self aware. He just hasn't got a clue yet.  I know 
he's going to come around though. :)

> I agree with Kathy on that one!  I'm *not*, however, expressing any
> agreement with the position that JKR has said that it *will* be R/H or
> any of that nonsense.  Her statement was "Yes, there's something going
> on between them, Ron just doesn't know it yet."  I still say that it's
> arguable that the "something going on" is one-sided.  I think JKR's
> statement was sufficiently ambiguous. But, it's clear that Ron just
> hasn't admitted his own feelings.  We're in agreement on that much
> anyway.
> 

First off - R/H nonsense?  Come now, we have extremely valid points and 
*very* strong textual evidence. It's hardly nonsense. <g>  As for JKR's 
statement, IMO the only thing you could call ambiguous is her use of the word 
"something."  But is there really any question as to what she means?  I think 
that her use of the word "between" means just that - between Ron and 
Hermione.  It involves *both* parties.  I interpret her statement to mean 
that Hermione knows but Ron is a clueless boy. :)


One point I'll make at this stage is that it is interesting that Ron does 
*not*
> specifically ask her to ball.  He at first says, "Well, you can come
> with one of us."  If she had said fine, it would be logical that she
> would have gone with Harry because of his heightened need for a
> partner.  Even Ron would have seen that.  Later in the conversation, he
> says, "Okay, okay, *we* know you're a girl.  ... That do?  Will you come
> now?"  He's *still* not out & out asking her to be *his* date.
> 
> I like Bbennet's observation that he may have, in the back of his mind,
> assumed that they would both go stag and "hang out" at the Ball.
> 

I like B's observation as well. :)  I can still remember when I was that age 
and for the most part groups of girls would meet up a the  movies or the mall 
with groups of boys.    No one specifically asked anyone out.  More of a 
"Hey, you going to the mall tonight?"  'Yeah, I guess."  "Cool, I guess I'll 
see you guys there."  The pairing off would take place when you found your 
seat in the theater or at the food court.  You just hoped that the *right* 
person sat next to you!  ;)


> I'm still not convinced that Ron said anything personal to Hermione in the
> common room.  I think he continued to fling the "consorting with the
> enemy" stance at her just as he had at the Ball (of course, this is just
> masking his real feelings but I think he doesn't recognize his feelings
> for what they are).  I've said many times before that we don't know what
> Ron said to her before Harry enters the room & overhears the last bit of
> their row.  But, consider this (a point I don't think I've made):
> 
> ["Well," he spluttered, looking thunderstruck.  "well --- that just
> proves ---- completely missed the point."]
> 
> Okay R/H types: if Ron *did* say something personal ("why didn't you go
> to the Ball with me rather than Krum?"), why in the world would he think
> she'd missed the point?  Why would he look thunderstruck?
> 

I agree with you, I don't think that he said anything personal to her.  I 
think that Ron continued his "fraternizing with the enemy" stance.  Even if 
he was *thinking* something more personal, he would never have said it.  The 
"missing the point" and "thunderstruck" statements would not make much sense 
otherwise.  


> Harry's observation about Hermione getting the point more than Ron had
> is, I think, just making it more clear that Harry himself has figured
> out that Ron likes Hermione.  But, her feelings are still a mystery to
> us all.
> 

Now I have to half disagree with this.  Yes, Harry is acknowledging that Ron 
likes Hermione, but I feel that he is also saying that Hermione likes Ron.  
Why?  Well let's look at Hermione's statement from the row:

"Next time there's a ball, ask me before someone else does, and not as a last 
resort!"

First, Hermione says this to Ron and NOT to Harry.  Why would she bother 
(IMO) *telling* Ron to ask her to be his date next time if she liked Harry or 
anyone else for that matter?  There are plenty of things she could have said 
such as "shut up" or "I can date whoever I want to."  Really, I think that 
the above statement may as well say, "The minute they announce the next ball 
you had better be over here begging me to go with you!"  <VBG>  She does NOT 
tell Harry to ask her out next time.  

I guess I really don't think that Hermione's feelings are some big mystery.  
She may not be as transparent as Ron and the hints may be a bit more subtle 
but I feel that they are there.  Especially after that statement during the 
infamous Yule fight.  :)


BTW, if anyone is interested in seeing some *R/H-Type* interpretations on the 
Yule Ball fight I suggest a trip to Sugar Quill Island (www.sugarquill.com)  
Arabella and Elanor Gamgee (AKA Cap'n Kathy) each have stories that contain 
the scene as well as my own "Yule Brawl" (I go by Moey over there and on 
ff.net) 


Peace, Love, Harry Potter #~8^) 

-Mo
First Mate of the Good Ship R/H

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