SHIP: RE: Long Post Re: R/H Yule Ball and JKR

[firoza10 at yahoo.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 13843

Just a few points and then back to LURKDOM :-) 

My reasons for my original post was to: 

a)have subtext and FITD clarified. Penny has done a wonderful job 
there, so thank you for the clarifications :-)

b)voice my opinion. 

Penny wrote:
Well .... if you state an opinion on an internet *discussion* list,
you're opening yourself up to having that opinion be subjected to
questioning.  That's the point.  It's a discussion group so that there
can be back & forth debate. You don't just express opinions & then 
say, "But, I don't want to hear any arguments, and I don't want to 
have to defend my views."  If that's your hope, then you're better 
off being silent on a discussion group, because the whole point is to 
engage in a conversation with one another.

I did not say 'do not respond to my opinions' nor am I adverse to 
hearing any arguments :-) I know that this is a DISCUSSION group, but 
many of you who have been on this list for a long time, DO come 
across as rather intimidating, however UNINTENTIONAL that may be, so 
I just wanted to point out that what I was and AM saying now is not 
meant to offend :-) Feel free to dissect what I have said and voice 
your opinions and views regarding my views :-) 

I have devoted more than three long posts to this discussion already 
today, and have not been afraid defend MY views. I thought that is 
what I was doing in posting initially, defending MY views, but I 
guess that did not come across?

But since I HAVE read most of the shipping debates on this list 
(despite what Cassandra thought <g>), the 'subtext' and FITD 
positions were not clear to me, hence my questioning them. Once 
again, thank you Penny for clarifiying them :-) I will await to read 
the FAQ if I have any further questions regarding these issues. 

Penny wrote:
The Yule Ball debate does not have anything to do with Ron's feelings.
We're all agreed on that score. The Yule Ball debate has to do with
what Hermione meant by her last remark to Ron before she headed 
upstairs after the Yule Ball (and with what might or might not have 
been said by both characters before Harry steps into the Common Room).


Actually, I believe it was Star who had a differing view regarding 
Ron's feelings towards Hermione and that is what IMO started 
the 'Yule Ball' debate, which has since turned into a debate over 
what Hermione meant by her last remark to Ron :-)

Penny wrote:
H/H types tend to support FITD because (a) it looks like that is where
the canon is headed (our interpretation of all available evidence is
that Hermione likes Harry rather than Ron), and (b) if there is FITD,
there is no R/H and it leaves the possibility of H/H open & on the
table.

I say:
R/H types (NOTE: not ALL R/H fans will agree with this ;-) really 
don't have a concrete theory as to why we see R/H except:

a)it looks like R/H is where the canon is headed (our *or most of 
our* interpretations of all available evidence is that Hermione likes 
RON rather than Harry), and 

b)FITD since it is a theory that leaves the possibility of H/H open 
and on the table for the H/H types, we (or some of us like-minded R/H 
types) don't see it as a possibility (but thanks to Penny's 
clarification of FITD some of us, or more specifically I, can see WHY 
H/H types would see it now :-)

So, once again I will end by saying let us agree to disagree, as fun 
as all this discussion of opinions and views has been :-) Happy 
sailing everyone!

Firoza

*who will try once more to go back to LURKDOM, but if she feels the 
need to, will come back to defend her opinions ;-)*