SHIP: My comments on yours...(doesn't that sound fun!)

[Scott]

No: HPFGUIDX 13861

Another Shipping debate! Yummy! I wanted to reply to this yesterday 
but I decided not to (ran out of internet time) and anyway there's 
been loads said today that I want to respond to. Anchor's Away!

THE YULE BALL:
Firstly I just have to comment on this because it was a great scene, 
and there are sooo many interpretations of it. I'm a male and I can't 
say that I've ever been in Hermione's position. However I'm not sure 
that I've ever been in Ron's spot either. I think we are all clear on 
Ron's feelings though. He certainly likes Hermione. Even if he 
doesn't realise it yet. Which is interesting because I have a hard 
time believing that he has NO inkling of his feelings toward 
Hermione. (Is he thinking: "Hmmm lets see I really like her. she's 
one of my best friends. I really want to ask her out. I think about 
her a lot. I must like...no there's no way I like her." Seriously.)
I'm only saying that knowing that I have been a 14 year old boy and I 
don't think I was that blind to my emotions. I do agree however that 
Ron doesn't have all his feelings worked out yet.  Erm, back to 
Hermione...

I interpreted this as Hermione saying "Ron you're such a prat. Don't 
complain about a situation that has nothing to do with you, and the 
only reason it has nothing to do with you is because you didn't TRY 
to get involved until you realised that you didn't like the outcome." 
IOW, she was annoyed that Ron was being stupid by complaining about 
something just because he didn't like it, but not trying to do 
anything about it. If it bothered him THAT MUCH why didn't he just 
ask her? 

Firoza wrote:
"Perhaps I missed something? If Ron's feelings are quite clear in 
GoF, how is that 'subtext'? So how can R/H-er's and myself included 
have interpreted the subtext to conlude that Ron likes Hermione and 
Hermione likes Ron if 'Ron's feelings are quite clear in GoF'? I 
believe that you misunderstood me :-) What I was saying is that IMO 
there is more evidence for a 'subtext' meaning between Ron and 
Hermione than there is for H/H, since I see the R/H interactions in 
GoF as subtle and implied, NOT 'clear' just as H/H fans see a subtext 
meaning."

--You don't see R/H as clear in GoF? I do and I'm a H/H shipper! 
Goggling over the fact. I mean it's painfully obvious what Ron's 
feelings are, or am I missing your point? Sure we don't know what 
Hermoine wants, but there's nothing subtle about Ron's feelings, IMO.

Ebony wrote:
"The most intriguing thing in any potential romance subplot is this:  
JKR has held back from spelling out Hermione's feelings.  I've read 
*a lot* of serial fiction in which an author follows a remarkable 
character and their friends from youth to maturity... and I've rarely 
seen so much smoke and mirrors when it came to developing 
attractions."

--Why is this? Is it because Harry is possibly less perceptive of 
other people's feelings since he was in a sense isolated from 
feelings in his "Dursley years"? Could the fact that we aren't sure 
of Hermione's feelings be that they are more subtle than Rons and 
Harry (and in turn the reader) don't pick up on them? Maybe, whilst 
JKR wants to create the right amount of romance in the books as to 
correspond to the characters ages (I think it's safe to say however 
that they wont become Harlequin Romances) she is only emphasising 
relationships that might have some bearing on the plot. 

Meaning maybe Penny was right in saying that Ron could unwittingly 
betray Harry b/c of his feelings toward Hermione. A theory that I 
stand beside wholeheartedly. Sorry Ron fans but I do. And don't be 
offended I did say "unwittingly".

Also Ron has a crush on Hermione. A crush. It is just as easy to have 
a crush on someone you've never met (i.e. Movie Stars, Singers, 
Fictional Characters *ahem*). A crush is the object of desire, not 
necessarily the object of affection. Ron already loves Hermione (and 
Harry) very much as a friend. The affection, in a romantic sense, 
that I am talking about it totally different. He only desires (even 
unknowingly) to have a romantic relationship with Hermione. The love 
that already exists isn't romantic.

I am H/H and almost by default that means a FITDer too. I'm not 
saying that we can 'read' Hermione at this point, but I see Hermione 
and Harry as being more likely to "get together" post-canon because 
they are well suited for each other (most-so than R/H. But don't get 
that started. I think it boils down to how we view relationships).

Scott
Who isn't sure whether he wants JKR to include a(n?) epilouge at the 
end of books seven or just allow us to wonder...