SHIP: not so long response (was Long Post Re: R/H Yule Ball and JKR)

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No: HPFGUIDX 13885

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Carole Estes" <lrcjestes at e...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <firoza10 at y...>
> 
> I'm leaving most of this post alone in that the R/H'ers and the H/H'ers
> obviously disagree in the interpretation of various passages of the books
> and interviews.  My one commmnet is that H/H is not just wishful thinking on
> our part any more than R/H is wishful thinking on your part.  JKR could go
> either or no way on this issue.
> 
> I do however take issue with this statement:
> 
> you wrote:
> 
>  R/H is the way JKR is headed IMO, and since none of us REALLY
> believe that the canon HP is a soap opera (as much as we enjoy HP
> fanfics of this genre ;-)), it serves no purpose for JKR to build up
> R/H and then switch to H/H post-Hogwarts, as some H/H fans believe
> will happen.
> 
> My comment:
> 
> Why not? There are loads of reasons why she might do R/H and then tear them
> assunder...come on use your imagination and think of the great dramatic and
> not necessarily soapish dramatic potential there.  Including but not limited
> to exploring feelings of loss and betrayal and individuals deciding to do
> what is good for them vs. what is good for the wizard community as a whole.
> We can't possibly know what JKR has up her sleeve as far as relationships
> and their repercussions.   I see no reason for your confidence that while
> OBHWF (one big happy weasley family) might happen, why it necessarily will
> be preserved.
> 
> Your comment:
> Teenagers in real life may not form attachments as
> teenagers that last into adulthood, but HP is NOT the real world, so
> R/H lasting into adulthood is a real possibility <g>. But despair not
> H/H fans, there are always fanfics :-)!
> 
> my comment:
> Yes it is a possibility but so is H/H. And I'd say the chances of either or
> neither are equal.
> 
> you comment:
> Nor do we think that R/H or H/G when they eventually
> DO get together will break up and not last. That is not in keeping
> with the tone of the HP books, however 'unrealistic' that may be and
> despite all the fanfics out there <vbg>.
> 
> 
> My comment:
> Again Why not? Could you predict the tone of GoF from the previous books.
> There are still 3 massive books out there to be written.  I think you give
> wayb too little credit to JKR's imagination.  No, romance is not the prime
> theme of these books, but I think it will play a role if even a rather minor
> one.  But since there is just the beginnings of evidence for these
> relationships to happen at all, how can you predict that once these
> relationships (that you are so sure of) form they will last forever?
> 

Very simply - Because thats the sense I get from the books. 
The main point I disagree with is this: "We can't possibly know what JKR has up her sleeve 
as far as relationships and their repercussions." 
If that were true, why do you participate in shipping debates? It would be like arguing on 
which side a spinning coin is about to fall. We obviously can't know *for sure* but we do 
discuss trends, likelihoods, probablities, right? And yes, we can make educated guesses as 
to what *will* happen based on what *has* happened. Its called inductive logic. And based on 
what I *have* read of JKR's work I have to say that her characters are EXTREMELY stable. 
That is, except for characters like Moody, Quirrel and Snape (of PS) who are more plot 
devices serving the local mystery plot. 
So, based on this impression of the HP-verse I'll say, yeah, it does not make *HP* sense to 
have the kind of romantic twists you envision. 
Just to clarify - JKR can do what she wants. She can have them all shave their heads and 
become Hara Krishna monks. The point is not that everything can happen, the point is what is 
most likely to happen.

I'm sorry if I sound a little abrupt, but it seems to me that arguing that anything can 
happen, that in three books JKR can change everything, is really no argument at all. You 
CANNOT argue unless you base your arguments on what is already known. 

Naama