SHIP: Glaring

[heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu]

No: HPFGUIDX 13889

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Ebony wrote:
> 
> > >  I identify strongly with Hermione, I put myself in 
> her 
> > > shoes... and the "I glare at him because I like him" argument 
is 
> > > unconvincing to me.  The first thing I think to myself 
is, "well, 
> > > Hermione glares at Draco as well, doesn't she?  So following 
your 
> > > rhetoric, this means that she likes Ron, and Draco, and 
everyone 
> > > who "gets under her skin"."  
> > 
> 
> Naama wrote:
> 
> > Oh, but thats not fair! I claim a foul <g>. You know its not 
fair. 
> Draco is Hermione's enemy 
> > and her glares at him do not call for any special attention. But 
> Ron? He is one of her best 
> > friends, she obviously cares about him very much (as a friend), 
and 
> it is in *this* context 
> > that the antagonism he so easily awakens in her seems indicative 
of 
> underlying feelings 
> > Hermione has for him. 
> 
> Well said, Naama, and also, it's not glaring per se but the 
immediate 
> context thereof.  Glaring at Draco when he's said something cutting 
> just means "Draco, you're an A-1 jerk."  Scowling when Ron has just 
> given Fleur a compliment is a different matter.  
> 
> Foul! Foul!  Show 'er the red card, ref!  (Or at least the 
> yellow...Ebony, you get off with a warning.)


And here, I cry "Foul!" Honestly, Hermione's glares at Draco could 
mean at least 4 different things:
1. You're a bigoted git and I wish you'd go away.
2. Why do you act like a bigoted git in public when I know that you 
don't act that way when other Slytherins aren't around.
3. You really hate ron, don't you? Did he mess up your fingerpainting 
at Wizarding Nursery School?
or 4. How can someone so completely cute and sexy be such a bigoted 
git?

I'm sure others can come up with other explanations. Cass?


I don't think that many R/Herm people, Yael excepted, have read 
my "what else happened during books 3 & 4 and beyond" fanfic, A 
Surfeit of Curses, which is at http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?
action=story-read&storyid=96654 and in the HP_Paradise group at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise - it was inspired, in part, 
by comments by R/Herm shippers that Ron and Hermione are meant for 
each other because of the volatility in their relationsip, and 
certain snips of dialogue, and a subsequent statement by another 
listie (this was all in October, so forgive me if I forget who said 
what!) that if Hermione's irritation towards Ron was a sign of 
crush/lust/romance, then imagine that her irritation towards Draco is 
a sign of...

To add to Penny's earlier request, I'm interested in getting a Roll 
Call of people who are R/Herm and people who are Ha/Herm who think 
that under certain circumstances, Draco may not be irredeemable - but 
please do the roll call on the HP4GU-OT list.

One thing I've observed, which I know has been discussed here before, 
is just how little we know and see about Hermione or Draco (or Ron, 
for that matter) when Harry isn't around. I know canon is a harry-
centric story AND that we don't see much of the day to day life OR 
conversations (each book would be over 4000 pages!), which creates a 
wide open space where all the shippers can sail our wonderful boats.

And this has led me to wonder if the R/Herm shippers are more prone 
to the Draco Is Irredemable sentiment than the Ha/Herm shippers.