SHIP: Various Stuff

[Scott]

No: HPFGUIDX 13955

More shipping stuff...yeah. Several of you mentioned shipping post 
that were not interesting and had nothing new to offer, not to 
mention contradicting themselves...I now have this great fear that 
you're talking about mine. I TRIED really hard to be original, 
honest. But it does get redundant. No offence anyone, but we all 
(myself included) should try to refrain from shipping if all we can 
do is make biting comments at other people's comments and yet not add 
anything new to the discussion. Maybe we will find out something to 
use in the shipping debates from the schoolbooks, but I doubt it. 
(Are there going to be sidenotes written by Harry et al in the 
margins? If so then maybe they're like my friends and I and write 
notes about who they like and such in the margins of old 
textbooks...I'm thinking back to the sixth grade, I was twelve) Erm 
anyway we wont really have any good "ammunition" until book five 
comes out. Maybe we could negotiate a ceasfire. Anyone?

Penny wrote:
"LOL about Ron & the giant squid Cassie!  :--)  I too would be open to
H/G *if* Ginny were at all developed as a character.  Prior to GoF, 
lots of us said that JKR pretty much needed to develop her much more 
fully in GoF if she was to be a valid love interest for the hero.  
That didn't happen at all.  Now, I suppose it's possible that she 
could *still* do that in Book 5, but I can't help wondering if there 
will still be people saying, "Well, as long as she develops Ginny 
more fully early enough in Book 7, there could still be H/G."  <vbg>  
I *love* fanon Ginny.  I think her character has lots of potential, 
and if JKR chooses to flesh her out more, then I could maybe get 
behind it.  Possibly.  Nah.  I'd probably always favor H/H ... but I 
wouldn't *hate* H/G if Ginny had a personality.  Right now though --
she's too blah for my taste."

--I with you Penny. I don't see H/G in the canon right now. (What can 
I say, I'm H/H?) I think that Harry Ginny without major 
characterization of Ginny would be a cop out on Jo's side (not to 
mention unbelievable). If I could see Ginny as a real person, and not 
just Ron's giggling younger sister then H/G might be at least 
believable. The only thing is that it would (coupled with R/H) almost 
certainly lead to OBHWF *shudders at the thought*. Needless to say 
OBHWF is way to cliche for me and hopefully for Jo as well (Yes I 
know HGTG is also a cliche. I also know there are way Jo could un-
cliche both scenarios. Not sure what they are but I'm sure Jo could 
do it!).

Penny also wrote:
"On the glares thing -- switching gears.
I agree with Amy Z that not all glares are created equal.  *But,* I
don't think that it's valid to dismiss the possibilities that her 
sparks with Draco might not be just as indicative of possible romance 
as her fights with Ron.  Maybe I'm just influenced by Heidi's 
excellent> back-story "Surfeit of Curses."  Oh well.  Ruined by 
fanfic I am I suppose."

--I don't think that Hermione's glaring looks at Draco have anything 
to do with attraction. Unless you're saying that Hermione sees that 
Draco has more potential than to turn into the Voldemort-groveling 
racist bigot that his father is. I could see that. ("Why can't you be 
what you have the potential to be Draco?") I also don't think that 
Hermione's glares at Ron mean attraction to him either. I think 
perhaps Hermione just glares a lot.

Penny wrote:
"I realize it's anathema to many R/H types to have the R/H bickering
compared with the D/He bickering.  But, a number of people can make
strong cases for the comparison.  Since I don't really see bickering &
fighting as a sound basis for any romantic relationship, I'm probably
not the best person to defend that case.  But, I do see the inherent
logic there."

--I'm with Penny on this. It goes back to the whole "How do you view 
relationships" thread. I could go on and on, and garner plenty of 
personal examples but I'll leave it at this. I have a female friend 
and we can flirt, but I don't have that emotional spark that comes 
from having a heart-to-heart with someone. Ok, that's not the same 
thing but it's the best way I can back up my opinon. 

Neither [ship] is wrong, or right for that matter right. It all 
depends on how you look at it. Lets all be friends (these are 
friendly waters mates!) Think of the glare Hermione would give us if 
she saw how we are bickering.

Scott