The whole Potter death scene (was Why V wanted to spare Lily)

[aichambaye at yahoo.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 14100

This thread made me think...when you apparate, can you bring someone 
(like a baby) with you? If so, why not disappear when Voldy or Death 
Eaters show up? Even if this doesn't work for Harry (because Lily 
couldn't take him with her) it surely would save other people?

Heather M.

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., andrea at n... wrote:
> Amy Z wrote:
>  
> > I'm going to chime in a minority opinion on the 
> > Why-Voldemort-Wanted-to-Kill-the-Potters/Didn't-Have-to-Kill-Lily 
> > question, and suggest that perhaps he didn't have to kill James 
> > either.  The text in question (from PS/SS ch17) *implies* that he 
> > viewed James and Lily differently, but it's not at all a sure 
thing.
> > 
> >   "How touching..." it hissed.  "I always value bravery...Yes, 
boy, 
> > your parents were brave....I killed your father first, and he put 
> up a 
> > courageous fight...but your mother needn't have died...she was 
> trying 
> > to protect you....Now give me the Stone, unless you want her to 
> have 
> > died in vain."
> > 
> > So, as far as we can tell from this and PoA, V showed up at the 
> > Potters' house, and Lily grabbed Harry and tried to run (she 
never 
> > even got out of the house).  V encountered James first and killed 
> him, 
> > then turned on Harry.  But that still leaves open the possibility 
> that 
> > he killed James only to get to Harry.  He just doesn't say so 
> > explicitly.  In Lily's case, she was actually holding Harry in 
her 
> > arms so the whole issue was much more pointed than with James, 
who 
> was 
> > just out in the living room or whatnot on his own.
> > 
> > I also don't think we can read into this scene any particular 
> > reluctance on V's part to kill Lily.  She didn't need to die in 
> that 
> > she wasn't his primary target, but that doesn't mean he was 
trying 
> to 
> > avoid killing her.  So why didn't he just AK her without an 
> argument 
> > and go on to Harry?  Perhaps just because she was a powerful 
witch 
> and 
> > he didn't want to tangle with her any more than necessary.  (V, 
> being 
> > clueless about love, would not have known what most people would 
> know 
> > from the start:  that you can't ask a woman to hand over her son 
to 
> > save her own life and expect her to do it.  You may as well just 
> kill 
> > her from the start and not argue with her...)
> 
> Hi, Amy!
> 
> I see your point. But it still seems to me that Voldy *went out of 
> his way* NOT to kill Lily. I compare it with the Cedric situation: 
> then, he killed the "spare" without a second thought. Of course, 
> you'd say, Lily was a fully-grown witch, and a powerful one for all 
> we know. But she was almost as vulnerable as Cedric (or even more 
> vulnerable, because of her baby son).
> 
> Andrea from Brazil