Amanda needs a life (Priori Incantatem) was Lily and James alive?

[Amanda Lewanski]

No: HPFGUIDX 15297

catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:

> The only people who came out of V's wand were people who were killed.
> V had just previously used his wand to torture Harry and one of the
> Death Eaters, and this didn't come out during the Priori Incantatum,

Yes it did. There were faint screams, echoes of the Cruciatus spell.

Well. Having no life at all, and not wanting to do the dishes, I sat
here with GoF and listed the things that came from Voldemort's wand once
the Priori Incantatem effect started. Then I went backwards (for a ways)
and matched them with the spells that his wand had done. Here's the
breakdown.

The spells that were cast are in brackets [ ]. The effects are numbered.
The list, confusingly, starts with spells that show no effect, but as we
go backward through the spells we start to see the echoes.

[Avada Kedavra--spell that linked with Harry's Expelliarmus]--current
spell, would show no echo

[Imperius Curse, 2nd time--Harry won't answer] would not have an audible
or visible echo
[Cruciatus Curse, 2nd time]--should be screams
[Imperius Curse, 1st time--Harry bows] would be no audible or visible
echo]
[Cruciatus Curse, 1st time, Harry] 1. Echoing screams of pain

NOTE: Conceivably, the "echoing screams of pain" covered both these
Cruciatus curses, since the Imperius Curses would show no effect.
[Wormtail's new prosthesis] 2. Smoky hand
[Death Eater Avery who asked for forgiveness like an idiot] 3. Shouts of
pain
[Avada Kedavra] 4. Cedric

[Spells cast by Wormtail that should have visible echoes:
--step one of the three-step Voldemort construction spell, to obtain
"bone of the father" from the grave
--flames under the cauldron by Wormtail
--ropes are conjured by Wormtail to tie Harry]

[Who'd Voldemort torture between Frank Bryce and the graveyard scene?]
5. Screams of pain
[Avada Kedavra] 6. Frank Bryce
[Avada Kedavra] 7. Bertha Jorkins
[Avada Kedavra] 8. James (correctly Lily)
[Avada Kedavra] 9. Lily (correctly James)
connection is broken soon thereafter

I don't think Wormtail has a wand of his own yet, since he kills Cedric
with Voldemort's. If he had Voldemort's in his hand to kill Cedric, he
*must* have used the same wand a couple of seconds later to make the
ropes, flames, and extract the bone from the grave, so perhaps these not
showing up is a Flint.

Wormtail got the bone from the grave, then presumably stuck Voldemort's
wand into the robes he had ready for him, since he doesn't use a wand
again, and Voldemort pulls his wand out of his robes after he's dressed.

Wormtail hasn't been using Harry's, since when Voldemort tells him to
give Harry back his wand, Wormtail retrieves it from beside Cedric's
body, where it has been lying.

So it looks like there's a few spells that *should* have had visible
echoes that weren't mentioned, but they were pretty minor to the plot
and wouldn't have added to the scene the way eerie screams of pain do.
Conceivably, some P.I. effects were missed by Harry, since there was
rather a lot going on. [oh no! the Harry's Point of View Dodge again!
aaaaaa!]

And before someone asks--We already know that Priori Incantatem, both
the spell and the effect, seem to apply to the wand, not the wielder.
The spell, which produces an echo of the last spell cast, brought the
echo-Dark Mark from Harry's wand, even though Harry hadn't cast the
spell. The effect is more profound and produces echoes of apparently all
prior spells until the connection is broken. But it must operate the
same way, since it's pretty clear that Wormtail was the wielder for
Cedric, Frank, and Bertha, and they showed up for Voldemort's wand.

> Also, hasn't this mistake in order been corrected in the later
> reprints?

I've heard this is the case; haven't seen one.

--Amanda


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