SHIP: Comments on Various Shipping Posts

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No: HPFGUIDX 15439

For what I am about to say, SugarQuillIslanders, I know you'll ban me 
for life...
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer 
<pennylin at s...> 
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> > Hi --
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> > HERMIONE SPENDING TIME WITH BOTH BOYS DURING THE "FIGHT": Other 
than
> > that one sentence that indicates she tried to mediate the 
dispute, 
> what
> > other evidence is there that she spent much time with Ron?  If 
she 
> *did*
> > spend time with Ron, I don't know *when* she did this since she's
> > described as being with Harry all the time.
> > 
> 
> Sorry Penny, I still dispute this.  There is more than one instance 
> when Hermione mentions trying to mediate between the boys and makes 
> it clear that she has spoken to Ron.  
Yes, she did speak to him. Penny said so. Canon says so. Don't take 
Penny's use of the phrase "all the time" so rigidly - she *clearly* 
meant all the time other than during her attempts to mediate the 
dispute (which was the first sentence you quoted).

> And she isn't described as 
> being with Harry all the time.  I've just reread the whole of that 
> section and there are numerous times when she isn't with Harry - 
it's 
> just that this gets clouded by the help she is giving him with the 
> first task, and that he needs someone to talk to re. the Sirius 
> situation.  
Of *course* she's not really with Harry *all the time*. She goes to 
Ancient Runes and Arithmancy classes without him. She goes to sleep 
without him (for now!) and probably goes into the girl's bathroom 
without him. But she isn't described as sitting in the Great Hall 
with Ron, going for walks with Ron or hanging out in the common room 
nightly with Ron.

(She's obviously with Draco :) 
Ok, those of you who haven't read Surfeit of Kisses won't get it, and 
if you're R/H, you probaby are avoiding it and me like 
the "toadstools" we are (someone used that word to describe my Draco 
but meant it in a nice way) because I think that all the R/Hers, 
other than Yael, have never read it, which is fine with me. 
 
> Also, as I've mentioned before, Harry is the one who is very much 
on 
> his own during this time.  Ron has Dean and Seamus, and his 
brothers 
> to spend time with, leaving Harry isolated.  I know there is no 
> reason for the others to give him a wide berth, but it could simply 
> be a case of family loyalty, the fact that Ron got there first, and 
> importantly, that Harry has the first task to think about.  
Family loyalty wouldn't explain Dean & Seamus, and I don't understand 
what you mean by "ron got their first" - can you elaborate?

> Hermione 
> knows what it is like to be cold shouldered by her best friends 
(see 
> PoA) and, in her own sensitive way, is trying to stop Harry having 
to 
> go through that to the same extent.
On this, I do agree.

But I do have a question - and I apologize, but I am doing this 
without canon in hand - if Hermione spent November hanging out with 
Ron a lot, and he *still* didn't ask her to the ball, why on earth 
would she want to go with him? Now, I recognize that this negates the 
whole She & Harry Like Each Other argument, which, btw, I am not now, 
and never have been making - I think Harry/Hermione is a 7th book 
and/or beyond SHIP, but for those of  you who think that ROn is *now* 
interested in Hermione, why on earth would SHE like him after he has 
made it perfectly clear to her that he has no interest in going to 
the Yule Ball with her, except as a last resort? In my own high 
school days (and believe me, I wasn't dating a new boy every weekend, 
at least not until college :) if a boy treated me like that, my crush 
would disolve in eight seconds. 


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