[HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore turns evil.

Thu May 10 18:50:27 UTC 2001

No: HPFGUIDX 18500

Dumbledore having a dark past will give the character more depth by creating 
something other in his persona than his almost godlike goodness and other 
virtues. We have yet to see ONE non-heroic personality string in Albus 
Dumbledore, and that might very easyly create a Godfather of goodness like 
seen in so many other books.

One of the things I like the most about the hole "Harry Potter Saga" is the 
fact that it is inovative (not sure about this word, english is my third 
language) and different from other books of its type, giving Dumbledore a dark 
background would do a lot towards that.

BTW. Although I know that he was teacher at Hogwarts at the time when he 
defeated Grindewald, have anyone considered if Dumbledore have ever been an 
Auror. The seal about fighting evil that Aurors hold could do a lot of 
explaining to why he would give so many people all that leash when he KNOWS 
that they are "good".

The Man from the stars - Darreder

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>This is all a bit confusing for me.  Does having a dark past immediately give 
one depth?
>
>"Dumbledore's character would certainly have more depth if he was once
>associated with the dark art"
>
>Depth in the Judeo-Christian traditon was always the fruit of suffering born 
patiently, a patience that did not exclude an experience of darkness.  And 
from that experience blossomed the gift of empathy, an ability to enter into 
the experiences,
>particularly the sufferings of others.  That empathy faithfully practised 
would expand the soul/heart/person to a "depth" (or perhaps breadth would be a 
better word) that would expand right across the globe.
>
>A quicker way to "depth via darkness", and considerably safer for all 
concerned, is simply to discover the possibilities of evil within one's own 
heart.  They don't have to be realized in order to bring that almost 
unfathomable equilibrium that
>such searchers (seekers) maintain in the face of calaminty, particularly that 
borne of another's evil deeds.
>
>Why impose insanity on the world by having Dumbledore turn out to be a 
"servant of evil" in disguise?  One of JKR's main themes is the necessity of 
trust.  It could not be a necessity if there is no one to trust....
>
>Lumen Dei
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>  Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:41 PM
>  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore turns evil.
>
>
>  Interesting, and a nice point about spy within Grindlewald's circle.
>  There are some canon evidence supporting Dumbledore with a dark past:
>
>  1. PS/SS Chapter 1. Dumbledore remarked that Voldemort possesses
>  power that he would never have and McGonagall replied, 'It's only
>  because you're too noble to use them.'
>
>  2. CoS. In the History of Magic class, a student said Dumbledore
>  can't open the Chamber of Secret because some sort of dark art is
>  required and Prof. Binn retorted, 'Just because a wizard doesn't use
>  dark magic doesn't mean he can't.'
>
>  3. Dumbledore loves to give people a second chance? Why? Is that
>  because someone once gave him a second chance?
>
>  Dumbledore's character would certainly have more depth if he was once
>  associated with the dark art.  For example, the scene in the
>  Pensieve. Dumbledore, while defending Snape, said, 'He's now no more
>  a Death eater than I am.'  If Dumbledore has any sort of past
>  associations with the Dark arts, then this statement very poignant
>  and now has an additional meaning -- 'Look at me, I turn from the
>  dark side and I trust him to pull through as well.'
>
>
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