[HPforGrownups] OT: Latin (was boggart)

[Kelly Shiflet]

No: HPFGUIDX 18691

HI everyone! I'm mainly a 'lurker', but I thought I'd come out of hiding to 
say that while we are on Latin/Freanch meanings, that you should check out 
this site. It's really cool, and has what the first AND last names of HP 
characters mean, and their origin. Pretty interesting site
Just Go to:
1)www.harrypotterfans.com
2)then click on "Encyclopedia Potterica"
3)then click on "Origins of Words & Names"

Have Fun!

Kelly


>From: "Lumen Dei" <lumen_dei at freeler.nl>
>Reply-To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>To: <HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] OT: Latin (was boggart)
>Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:19:23 +0200
>
>Since I don't want to fill anyone's box with something they might not deem 
>of interest, I will only give the first paragraphs of a reflection I wrote 
>for my HP website.  Yes, her Latin/French usage is wonderful.  Although it 
>can throw you a bit as when she combines the two language in "Morsmordre!"
>
>
>EXPECTO PATRONUM!
>
>By now everyone has discovered the meaning of the incantation, "Expecto 
>Patronum". Flawless Latin for "I expect a patron." A defender, a helper, a 
>protector. But is that correct? There is another step to take in uncovering 
>the meaning of the incantation. Any decent Latin dictionary will tell you 
>that the root of patronus is pater--father. The real cry Rowling places on 
>Harry's lips is : I expect a father. And while we might slip by with 
>translating "I expect a patron" into "Expecto patronum" (and I only say 
>'might'), you would never get away with translating "Expecto patronum" as 
>"I expect a patron." Expectare in Latin is far more intense. It is to long 
>for, to desire, to hope for, to lean out the windows as your eyes scour the 
>horizon. Which rather fits the scene--when encircled by dementors, one does 
>tend to feel rather strongly about the idea of assistance!
>
>Expecto patronus. "I yearn for a father" is really the heart of the second 
>book, The Chamber of Secrets, or so it seems to me. There is a search going 
>on in the book Indeed in all three books. Harry is rightly named "the 
>seeker." The search for one's father, and most important, what happens when 
>he isn't there.....
>
>www.geocities.com/lumen_dei/patronus.html
>
>Lumen Dei
>Harry Potter's Philosopher's Shop  -- "Have Wand, Will Wave"
>www.geocities.com/lumen_dei
>
>
>   Graig told us:
>
>   > Well, patronus (long mark on the a and the o) is straightforward
>   > Latin, second declension, meaning "protector, defender, patron".
>
>   I think this site might interest very many of us, since Latin is a
>   part of HP books:
>
>   www.yle.fi/fbc/latini
>
>   It's Finnish radio that sends Nuntii Latini-program via satellite all
>   over the world. Five minutes of latest news in latin once a week. I
>   think they started sending programs in the Net too lately. They also
>   answer questions about latin and from archives you can read news few
>   months back.
>
>   I have studied latin only a year, but it is delightful to understand
>   what charms mean and where the names come from. I have also enjoyed
>   very much of your discussion about names and their origins. I just
>   thought if anybody is interested about collecting HP names in finnish
>   I could look them up.
>
>   Jenny
>   zenonah at yahoo.com
>
>
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