[HPforGrownups] Digest Number 879
Tim Christian
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Tue May 15 22:18:13 UTC 2001
No: HPFGUIDX 18797
My sever went mad and so I did not receive Digests 876 877 & 878
Any chance you could send them again please ?
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: TR's training - historical notes on AD, CF, LM - Latin
From: "Cait Hunter" <kiary91 at hotmail.com>
2. Re: Question: Re items conjured from wands.
From: Zarleycat at aol.com
3. Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
From: Zarleycat at aol.com
4. Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
From: meboriqua at aol.com
5. Re: Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
From: Margaret Dean <margdean at erols.com>
6. HP4GU Contest #2
From: joym999 at aol.com
7. Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
From: koinonia02 at yahoo.com
8. Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
From: "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at aol.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:14:34 -0000
From: "Cait Hunter" <kiary91 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TR's training - historical notes on AD, CF, LM - Latin
>Amy Z's sig said:
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> [The Crup] closely resembles a Jack Russell
> terrier except for the forked tail.
> -Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
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>
Oh my. I hadn't gotten FB because I'm short on cash, but now I may have to
buy it as a present for the captain of my flyball club, who runs 2 JRTs....
Is this one still available from amazon.com and whatnot? Anyone know?
Cait, with a birthday approaching...
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:26:25 -0000
From: Zarleycat at aol.com
Subject: Re: Question: Re items conjured from wands.
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> I have wondered for a while now how the more senior wizards are
able
> to conjure things from their wands. Eg, Professor McGonagall
> producing food and drink at the beginning of CoS, Dumbledore
> conjuring up sleeping bags in PoA, Lupin and Snape producing ropes
> which tie up their opponents, and to a lesser extent, the judges in
> the tournament drawing figures.
>
> What kind of magic is this? It seems to be similar to Harry
> conjuring a patronus, although this is less tangible and doesn't
last
> for long, and perhaps also has similarities with the Dark Mark.
> Therefore, I was thinking that they when tangible items are
conjured,
> they are done so by means of a kind of summoning charm, which
> requires strength of mind, as one is conjuring a type of thing one
> needs, rather than a specific, existing item. Does this make sense?
> It seems to me that the wand is being used as an extension of self -
> something is needed, and therefore they only have to think about it
> for the wand to make it a reality.
>
> My other question is, how is this taught, and what kind of magic
does
> it fall under? It isn't specifically a charm, as it isn't
bewitching
> a specific item. When is it taught at Hogwarts? Or is it the same
> thing as Hermione being able to light a fire?
>
> Catherine
I also posed a conjuring question several months ago, Catherine. I
think you and I are on the same page regarding this form of magic.
I'd like to know how it's done, too. Is it just force of
will/concentration that enables people to perform this? If you are
not a very powerful witch or wizard, will your attempt to conjure up
a chair somehow get messed up and you end up with a ladder?
It seems that conjuring is used at points in time where someone
needs a particular item immediately - Dumbledore and the sleeping
bags, Sirius conjuring up manacles to put on Pettigrew in the
Shrieking Shack, Snape conjuring stretchers to take Sirius, Harry and
Hermione to the castle after their encounter with the Dementors
towards the end of PoA. It evidently is not something you can do
simply to make your life easier - Remus can't conjure up new clothes,
the Weasleys can't alleviate their economic status by conjuring up a
new house, clothes, etc.
Marianne
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:23:51 -0000
From: Zarleycat at aol.com
Subject: Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> Chapter 7, "The Boggart in the Wardrobe"
> QUESTIONS
>
> 1. Why was Remus on the train?
I can think of two possibilities. One, Dumbledore asked Remus to
travel to Hogwarts via train because he was worried about the
possibility of Dementors boarding the train. As Remus was the only
new member of the staff who had to get there from a distance, why not
travel by train?
The other thought I had was perhaps this was a day after a full moon,
since Remus is so obviously exhausted on the journey. Perhaps
apparating from wherever he was living to the gates of Hogwarts would
have been too much of a strain.
> 2. What do you think Ginny experiences when the Dementors get
near?
Memories of her bad experiences from CoS.
> 3. What do you think Neville experiences when the Dementors get
near?
Neville was obviously bothered, but I'm not sure at this point
whether the Dementor brought out a reaction derived from Neville's
past, or if he was suffering from the typical Dementor reaction -
cold, unhappy, etc.
> 4. Just how badly was Malfoy hurt?
Not nearly enough, in my opinion. Too bad Buckbeak didn't rip
his...wait, I'll stop now before the Draco-ites come after me with
wands raised. I think he obviously milked his injury for all it was
worth, not only to gain sympathy, but to cause trouble for anyone he
could. After all, Hagrid is half-giant, which Daddy Malfoy does not
like. Someone like that should not have been promoted to a teaching
position, let alone teaching pure blood wizards.
>
> 5. Why wasn't Remus applauded by everyone when he was introduced
as the new DADA teacher?
Ummm. He was an unknown, not famous like Lockhart? He doesn't have
the most dynamic appearance? The students were busy thinking about
other things, such as the Dementors?
>
> 6. Why is Neville so terrified of Snape?
If someone in a position of authority relentlessly belittled me, I'd
probably be afraid, too.
> 7. Why do you think Hermione feels she must take all those classes?
Perhaps she feels that since she was muggle-born, she has to do
everything in her power to learn as much as she can. And, since she
is a bright student, she feels she can carry it off. Her teachers
agree with that assessment. After all, McGonagal gives her the time-
turner.
> 8. Why does JKR refer to Remus as Lupin? (She does this with Snape
> and Dumbledore as well)
>
I didn't pick that up at all the first 2 times I read the book.
Maybe this is a method to reinforce a certain formality about Lupin.
He seems to me to be someone who almost always maintains a great deal
of self-control. He's never portrayed as raising his voice, his
dealings with the students are quietly effective, and, even in the
Shrieking Shack, he's not the one raising his voice - everyone else
is carrying on at high decibels.
> 9. Is there more to Remus than meets the eye (other than being a
> werewolf)?
We'll see. I hope JKR will let us see Remus and Sirius combining to
perform some sort of wonderful feats of magic in the upcoming battle
against V. And I would like to see Remus lose control in some way -
I'm sure there is a volcano of emotion under that calm exterior.
> Sorry, I couldn't think of a 10th one. Care of Magical Creatures
> summary will be up later.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:36:42 -0000
From: meboriqua at aol.com
Subject: Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
Nice summary - even though I skimmed a bit because I know PoA pretty
much backwards and forwards :-)
>
> QUESTIONS
>
> 1. Why was Remus on the train?
Not sure - a combination of poverty and plot development, I guess.
>
> 2. What do you think Ginny experiences when the Dementors get near?
I thought that scene was interesting, especially because of Ginny. I
imagine that she was experiencing being in the grasps of Tom Riddle.
>
> 3. What do you think Neville experiences when the Dementors get
near?
He didn't seem to have as bad a reaction as did Harry and Ginny, so
I'm not sure. I'd like to know more about him, like how much he knows
about his own parents. I wonder if they are as mysterious to Neville
as Harry's parents are to Harry. In that way, Harry and Neville have
quite a bit in common. It's odd, to me, that Neville seems to be
terrified of so many things, like Snape, but doesn't fall apart at the
arrival of the Dementors.
>
> 4. Just how badly was Malfoy hurt?
Oh puh-lease! What a sniveling little faker! He was cut no worse
than when I occasionally cut myself shaving my legs!
>
> 5. Why wasn't Remus applauded by everyone when he was introduced as
> the new DADA teacher?
His appearance, perhaps? He certainly doesn't look impressive.
>
> 6. Why is Neville so terrified of Snape?
Now that's a good question. It's a bit annoying to me that Neville is
so terrified of Snape... but I think Snape symbolizes everything
Neville is not. Neville is quite sensitive, and is always nice to his
friends and teachers too, as there is no evidence to the contrary.
Snape probably looks like the embodiment of what put Neville's parents
in St. Mungo's. I'm sure really young children run screaming from
Snape all the time - and Neville is not the most mature boy in
Gryffindor.
>
> 7. Why do you think Hermione feels she must take all those classes?
I think Hermione honestly thought she could handle it. She wanted to
take advantage of the education she's been offered, and wanted to
prove to herself, her parents (?) and the school that she could do it.
All that hand waving during class ain't for nothin'.
>
>
> 9. Is there more to Remus than meets the eye (other than being a
> werewolf)?
I adore Remus Lupin. He goes with JKR's theme of things not always
being what they appear to be. Lockhart looked great with all those
new robes and white teeth, but he was a hopeless narcissist of a
teacher. Lupin, OTOH, is shabby, poor and greying, yet he is the best
DADA teacher Harry and his friends have had. Lupin is calm,
thoughtful, perceptive, and clearly quite intelligent. He is also
brave, as he is one of the few people to say Voldie's name out loud.
I think there's a lot more to him, and we'll be seeing that in OoP. I
can't wait!
--jenny from ravenclaw, who thinks her new 10" unicorn hai
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:08:42 -0400
From: Margaret Dean <margdean at erols.com>
Subject: Re: Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
meboriqua at aol.com wrote:
>
> > 4. Just how badly was Malfoy hurt?
>
> Oh puh-lease! What a sniveling little faker! He was cut no worse
> than when I occasionally cut myself shaving my legs!
Granted that Malfoy is a sniveling little faker, but we =are=
talking about getting struck at by the equivalent of a bird of
prey the size of a horse. I'd be prepared to believe it was a
pretty nasty slash that bled a lot, but as they say, "only a
flesh wound." And he =did= ask for it.
--Margaret Dean
<margdean at erols.com>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 02:04:40 -0000
From: joym999 at aol.com
Subject: HP4GU Contest #2
Well, the poems are trickling in rather slowly, so I am thinking of
extending the deadline for at least a few days, maybe a whole week
since I am kind of busy. Would more time give more people the
incentive to write some poetry?
Incidently, the poems I have received so far are all very good and I
think you will all enjoy them. I was expecting horrible haikus and
lousy limericks, like the ones I wrote, but so far only the real
poets have responded. Please, people, write some vile verse and save
me from the fate of being the only bad poet on HP4GU!
--Joywitch
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:32:58 -0000
From: koinonia02 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> QUESTIONS
>
> 1. Why was Remus on the train?
Protection for Harry and the other students from Sirius Black and
also the Dementors. Black was thought to be the murderer of James and
Lily Potter plus others. Not to mention Black had been heard to
mention something like 'he is at Hogwarts' (sorry, no book
available). Dumbledore isn't going to take any chances with Black
loose and the Dementors around.
> 2. What do you think Ginny experiences when the Dementors get near?
I would guess her ordeal involving Tom Riddle. Not an experience she
would want to remember.
> 3. What do you think Neville experiences when the Dementors get
near?
Not sure. I tend to think he remembers events surrounding his parents
torture, sort of like how Harry remembers his parents final moments.
I know there is nothing in the books that say Neville was present
during his parents torture. This is just speculation on my part.
> 4. Just how badly was Malfoy hurt?
There did seem to be a bit of bleeding so I am sure the original
wound was fairly bad. But, I think he healed much quicker than he let
on!
> 5. Why wasn't Remus applauded by everyone when he was introduced
as
> the new DADA teacher?
Probably just a matter of no one knowing who he was. Just another
teacher. I'm sure the shabby robes didn't help any either.
> 6. Why is Neville so terrified of Snape?
I think there is more to Neville and Snape than just Snape being a
mean teacher. Something we just don't know yet.
> 7. Why do you think Hermione feels she must take all those classes?
No clue.
> 8. Why does JKR refer to Remus as Lupin? (She does this with
Snape
> and Dumbledore as well)
Hadn't really thought about it. Sorry.
>
> 9. Is there more to Remus than meets the eye (other than being a
> werewolf)?
I'm sure he is brave and trustworthy. Someone Dumbledore will be
able to depend on.
Koinonia
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 04:07:31 -0000
From: "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at aol.com>
Subject: Re: PoA Chapter Summary: Chapter 7
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> Chapter 7, "The Boggart in the Wardrobe" QUESTIONS
Nice summaries Parker. Glad you could do the Remus section <g> and
good questions don't worry that there aren't 10.
>
> 1. Why was Remus on the train?
I think he was on the train for 2 reasons. The first reason is
that it was the full moon the night before(in JKR's world)so Remus is
extremely drained. That's why he is so tired and looks ill. It would
probably be too hard for him to travel any other way. The second
reason I think he's on the train is that Dumbledore asked him to.
Dumbledore knows the Dementors are looking for Sirius and they may
even try to board the train. He wants Remus on the train to "get rid"
of the dementors and help the students.
>
> 2. What do you think Ginny experiences when the Dementors get
near?
Ginny is probably reliving her experiences during CoS with Tom
Riddle. That's my guess.
>
> 3. What do you think Neville experiences when the Dementors get
near?
Neville may be seeing his parents in St. Mungos or his grandmother.
> 4. Just how badly was Malfoy hurt?
I think he was badly cut but not life threatening. He definately
milked it for all it was worth.
>
> 5. Why wasn't Remus applauded by everyone when he was introduced
as the new DADA teacher?
I think it has to do with his appearance. His robes are ragged
and he looks very ill. Most everyone isn't sure what to make of him.
>
> 6. Why is Neville so terrified of Snape?
Snape probably reminds him of his overbearing grandmother.
>
> 7. Why do you think Hermione feels she must take all those classes?
Maybe becuase being raised as a muggle she feels she's behind
everyone else who was raised in the wizarding world. I thinks she
feels she needs to "catch" up. Although it may just be something
simple like she's an overachiever.
> 8. Why does JKR refer to Remus as Lupin? (She does this with
Snape and Dumbledore as well)
She refers to all the professors by their last names unless they
are speaking to one another or to another character like Sirius or
Rosemerta. I think she does that to establish some sense of formality.
>
> 9. Is there more to Remus than meets the eye (other than being a
> werewolf)?
>
Yes I think there is more than meets the with regard to Remus.
He's very mysterious and we don't really learn much about him in PoA.
I'm thinking that he's a very powerful wizard and may have a few
special powers(like Dumbledore maybe). But then I guess we'll have to
wait for OoP.
Cheers,
Kristin
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