[HPforGrownups] OotP

Ebony Elizabeth Thomas ebonyink at hotmail.com
Tue May 22 22:44:34 UTC 2001


No: HPFGUIDX 19218

Amber wrote:
> >Gah, I know it's crazy and a very, very, VERY long stretch. I mean, the> 
> >Phoenix *is* a positive symbol...

Dave wrote:
>On the other hand, the Phoenix is an animal that "dies", and then
>rises from its ashes... Isn't this in a sense what Voldy did?
>

Is the folkloric connotation of the phoenix generally positive or negative?

JKR's *Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them* has this to say:

"The phoenix is a gentle creature that has never been known to kill and eats 
only herbs."

"Phoenix song is magical; it is reputed to increase the courage of the pure 
of heart and to strike fear into the hearts of the impure."

Also of note--1) it is found in Egypt, India and China and 2) its tears heal 
(of course, we know this from CoS, right?).

Unless JKR is going for irony, it seems that the Order of the Phoenix will 
incorporate some of the properties of that creature.  She's often witty, but 
I'm not sure that she's a cynic.  JMHO.

--Ebony

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