Veritaserum/Memory Charm - Mindy/Cindy - Riddle/Voldemort - Good/Evil - Bagman - Women's Institute - Cho - Snape lovers - Muggle gov't

[Rita Winston]

No: HPFGUIDX 25596

Susan Hall wrote:

> therefore, if one of the wizards whose memory
> had been modified by Lockhart were then questioned
> under Veritaserum about whether they, or Lockhart
> had, for example, performed the werewolf task then
> they would be likely to say "Lockhart" because, 
> once their memories are modified, that would be 
> the truth to them. 

I agree with you and Heidi that a Veritaserum patient can tell only the
truth that is known to himer (otherwise, we could give ANYONE a dose of
Veritaserum and ask them all about the plots of the remaining three
books), but I'm not sure that Lockhart's Memory Charms are the best
example: we know that it is POSSIBLE to undo a Memory Charm, because
Voldemort undid the Memory Charm that Crouch Sr had put on Bertha
Jorkins. The possibility of undoing Memory Charms indicates that the
original, pre-modification memory still exists SOMEWHERE. Maybe
Veritaserum can access that original memory from wherever it is.

Mindy wrote:

> I'm NOT taking credit where credit isn't due....
> methinks Cindy wrote it.

Oops! Thanks, Mindy! Sorry, Cindy!

Tabouli wrote:

> the Voldemort of GoF is several stripes short of a 
> zebra (snip) What possessed you to concoct this 
> skinny snake-man body? (snip) And as for giving 
> Harry back his  wand...!  In my day, the *first*
> thing I did in the Chamber of Secrets was nab 
. Harry's wand *from* him, you fool!"  

ROTFL! Altho' I must acknowledge that 1) he has an excuse for looking so
hideous, if it is an unavoidable side-effect of the only way he can
become immortal, and 2) the Death Eaters, loving evil as they do,
probably love hideous as well.

Leslie, Snyder, Meri wrote:

> I agree that H/R/H/etc. are guided by fear of consequences. 

The choice that Dumbledore urges us to make is the choice BETWEEN
consequences: If Harry has to break a rule to interfere with Voldemort,
should he choose to lose points for Gryffindor or to allow Voldemort to
do the latest evil thing? If Cedric has to choose between: 1) living the
rest of his life with a sense of guilt over taking the Triwizard Cup
from Harry only besides of Harry saving him from the spider, or 2)
disappointing all his Hufflepuff friends as well as forgoing the fame
and money of being Triwizard Champion by telling Harry: "Go ahead, you
take the Cup?", which should he choose?

Cindy wrote:

> It can't be just that Bagman didn't honor his
> bet with F&G. That hardly seems substantial 
> enough to support a blackmail threat.

I thought it was. It might dent Bagman's popularity (which is really the
only thing he has going for him) to be shown ROBBING underage children.
Also, in the Regency Romances I used to read, gambling debts were called
'debts of honor' and failure to pay them was a big shame and disgrace,
while debts to merchants and landlords and servants were a big joke.

When Voldemort mentioned the three absent Death Eaters, one too cowardly
to come, one who has left forever, one doing the Dark Lord's work at
Hogwarts, and I didn't know about Crouch Jr at that time, I thought
Bagman was either the first or the third.

Manda wrote:

> I think we've already seen one American school. 
> In GoF  when Harry, Ron, and Hermione are going
> for water at the campground, it says they saw a 
> bunch of American witches under a sign that said
> Salem Witches' Institute. 

Witch's Institute is a pun on Women's Institute. The California Women's
Institute is the state prison for women in Tehachapi, but in Britain,
the Women's Institute is a club for housewives. I can't think of a US
equivalent that isn't connected to some religion,  like Hadassah or the
various Protestant churches' Women's Alliances.

scareyfairymary wrote:

> I *really* hope Harry and Cho get together (for good).

I agree with you that Cho is a Nice Person, and I believe she also is
intelligent (she IS a Ravenclaw). I'd rather see Harry get together with
her than with Hermione (at least they'd have Quidditch in common) but it
will take quite a while for her to get over Cedric: I believe she was
already 'going with' or 'going steady with' Cedric BEFORE the Yule Ball,
and her regret  at turning down Harry's invitation was only because she
hated to hurt his (or anyone's) feelings. I have written some fanfic (in
my folder at HPff) which sets this up.

Laura wrote:

> But what are the Snape Fans seeing that I am missing?  

Well, even in Book 1, he is clearly very intelligent, he has a sense of
poetry (as in his praise of the subtle beauty of potions), he clearly
has very strong feelings (altho' mainly of hatred and resentment at that
time), and he clearly has been emotionally wounded. Heal the emotional
wounds and wash the hair ("he needs the love of a good woman and a
shampoo") and you've got yourself quite a man.  Many women have romantic
fantasies of being 'rescuers' of embittered, cynical men -- 'like
Rochester' said my friend, but I have not read JANE EYRE.

Mindy wrote:

> the british gov't probably views the magical community as
> a group of oddballs, idiots, weirdos, and crackpots, and
> doesn't give them a moment's thought. 

Except if the gov't really understands that the magical community can do
real magic, that works, they will be seeking magical solutions to their
problems.

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