[BanHarryPotterNow!] Machiavellian Means and the Side of Good.

[Monika Huebner]

No: HPFGUIDX 37259


> -----Original Message-----
> From: abigail_draconi [mailto:chynarose8 at hotmail.com]

> I know that the subject of ends justifying the means, but given what 
> we know of Harry and Dumbledore, would they stoop to hiding behind 
> that tactic/phrase?

I honestly don't think so. If the situation is going to take the same
direction as during VWI, where Crouch finally gave permission to his
Aurors to use the unforgivable curses, including the killing curse, 
I can't imagine Dumbledore agreeing to this.

> Who in the Potterverse fighting for the side of 
> good would *willingly* use the same magic as those on the side of 
> evil (such as a group called the `moral "majority"' hacking into 
> an `offensive' group list)? And in doing so, would they still 
> be 'good'? Or would they automatically be shifted to the side 
> of 'evil'? 

Was Crouch sr. evil? IMHO, the wizarding world didn't see him like
that, and they didn't send all the Aurors to Azkaban for using the
unforgivable curses. We know Crouch didn't get the job of Minister
for Magic because *someone* might have thought he overstepped
the mark, but then, we don't know who the minister is elected, or if
he is elected at all. The parting of the ways at the end of GoF does
already hint to how things will develop. I think that once Fudge 
acknowledges Voldemort's return, he will perhaps follow Crouch's
example, too stupid to realize that this was exactly what caused
his downfall. But I have the impression that for him, the ends always
justify the means, after all he does everything to keep his popularity.
He is ready to administer the Dementor's kiss to Sirius, although
a couple of people tell him that he is innocent. Even if he does not
really believe it, he shouldn't sentence a man to death if there is the
slightest hint that there might be a miscarriage of justice. So, yes,
I think Fudge and his followers would willingly use the same magic
as the "evil side" to fight them, but Dumbledore and the old crowd
won't. When Sirius told Harry about Crouch in the cave scene, I
didn't get the impression that he agreed with his giving permission
to use the killing curse on supposed Death Eaters, and he probably
wouldn't join someone who would. Nor would Lupin, IMO.

Monika