[HPforGrownups] Voldemort's mum, Gyffindor's Heir, Harry's Fame, and the Frog Prince

[Jennifer Boggess Ramon]

No: HPFGUIDX 37516

At 8:15 AM +0000 4/4/02, carrie1138 wrote:
>
>Is Voldemort's Slytherin
>heritage definitely from her side of the family? I can't recall
>offhand whether Tom Riddle Jr says so or not, maybe someone else
>could kindly look that up? ;-)

As you wish . . .

CoS, US paperback edition, Chapter 17:

"You think I was going to use my filthy Muggle father's name 
forever?I, in whose veins runs the blood of Salaxar Slytherin 
himself, through my mother's side?"

So, yes.



At 3:39 PM +0000 4/4/02, mrflynn6 wrote:
>Also when Harry goes to Dumbledore's office for the first time, he
>mentions that the doorknocker was a Gryffin.  Dumbledore also is in
>possession of Gryffindor's Sword.  Could Dumbledore also be a
>desecendent of Gryffindor?

I'd gotten the impression from that scene that Dumbledore is, in 
fact, Gryffindor's heir.  I'm also quite certain, from his references 
to the Dursleys as the only family Harry has left, that he's not a 
close relative of Harry's.  Fanfic aside, that means that Harry isn't 
the heir of Gryffindor, although it doesn't rule out their both being 
descended from Godric by completely different paths.



At 2:39 PM -0500 4/4/02, Bernadette M. Crumb wrote:
>Well, perhaps Harry didn't match up with Stan's internal image of
>what THE BOY WHO LIVED looked like.  True, Harry is famous, but
>we really don't have much indication that there are many accurate
>wizardly photos of him out there...

No, but we are repeatedly hit over the head with his uncanny 
resemblance to James, who seems to have been rather popular in his 
day.  Stan might not recognize Harry through the resemblance, but 
Ernie should, if they move in the Hogwarts circles.  I rather like 
the theory that they both left Hogwarts after their OWLs, as it keeps 
them out of the loop without kludging "extra" wizarding schools.



At 10:09 PM +0000 4/5/02, serenadust wrote:
>I really must read Bettelheim; I had never heard of the toad
>symbolism before.  I wonder if JKR really had that in mind when she
>wrote this (I also wonder if Tabouli's acronym generator would
>explode if it had to come up with one for this theory. TOADKEEPER,
>indeed!)

The Frog Prince is only the most famous of the Libido Beasts; the 
Beast of Beauty and the Beast is also one.  So is the Big Bad Wolf in 
Red Riding Hood (Lupin, anyone?).  Peter Gabriel's song "Kiss That 
Frog" is a rather nice sum-up of the theory.

Having said that, I agree with the person who noted that, strictly 
speaking, toads are not traditional Libido Beasts.  I would also add 
that if Trevor represents anyone's libido, it's Neville's, not 
Hermione's.


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