"Get The Golden Egg" Plot Hole!

[anglinsbees]

No: HPFGUIDX 37886

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "lupinesque" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
 
> it makes a lot of sense given how powerful dragons' magic is, and 
it's 
> the kind of thing that she might leave out for the sake of 
> compression.  The Triwizard Cup would be unSummonable for the same 
> reason.

Ah- but he <did> summon it into his hand in the cemetary- in order 
to portkey back with Cedrics body.  My problem with this scene is 
that in this instnce, the portkey seems to work differently than the 
way portkeys did previously.  If a portkey takes you back whre it 
came from the second time you touch it, it would create all sorts of 
handling problems at the World cup- and they handled the used 
portkeys vary casually, tossing them in a box. 



> I love the image of FakeMoody fretting at the first task, his 
stomach 
> acids churning, but if the intent of his hint was to get Harry to 
just 
> summon the darn egg, why did he bring up "Play to your strengths" 
and 
> seize on flying?  No, I think Harry got the hint exactly as it was 
> intended.  Moody knows you can't Summon a dragon's egg away from 
her.

I was looking at himn being very subtle- telling Harry to Accio it 
would have been very obvious.
Un- summonability is a possibility, but Hermione says the magic is 
in the Dragons Hide.  The invulnerability does not extend to their 
eyes, however, so it does not appear to have a radius effect, such 
as you describe.  If the magic invulnerability of dragons spread 
beyong their hide, their eyes would be protected from curses. (OK, 
so it's dragonhide, eggs may be another thing all together, but I 
don't see why.)




> 
> You aren't the only one who's noticed that Accio! opens up a world 
of 
> possibilities and, possibly, plot holes.  E.g. a lot of people 
have 
> asked why Harry didn't simply Accio the Map in "The Egg and the 
Eye" 
> (he might've been able to Accio the egg, too).  Other 
than "because it 
> would end a terrific scene before it even got started" <g>, a 
common 
> answer is "because he was totally rattled and just didn't think of 
> it."

Because he was in pain (The stair) and because he was trying to be 
silent? (Verbal spell components are a bitch!)



 
> > He is told in the tent that his task is to "Get the golden Egg" 
> > Not 'Get past the dragon.'  or 'Prove your bravory by getting 
the 
> > egg in as showy a way as possible."  Just "Get the Golden Egg" 
> 
> Now this is a question I have.  Harry seems to know nothing about 
the 
> rules of this thing 
>I know none of the champions probably 
> cares any more than Harry does about such niceties--they just want 
to 
> get through this thing alive, never mind any points--but still, 
you'd 
> think Bagman would have told them, right?  I suppose this is 
another 
> case of compression, but it always jars me a bit.  I need a line 
> in the tent scene like "Bagman was telling them some other things 
> about the task, but Harry was too numb to listen."

And the rules change!
Near the beginning, the champions are told that the one with the 
most points will win, and then, when they go to enter the maze, the 
points are only used to determine the order they get to enter the 
maze in. The one who gets the cup wins, regardless of their point 
total.  (Sorry I cant back it up with an exact quote, but I'm 
listening to the books on tape.)

Ellen
A Pottering Beekeeper