The Fateful Night (VERY long)

[grey_wolf_c]

No: HPFGUIDX 42265

mariahisable wrote:
> Grey Wolf your theory is great and ties up a lot of loose ends, but I 
> still have a few questions about it.
> 
> 1.  How did Sirius know what had happened?  Are you presuming 
> Dumbledore contacted him and told him?  That wouldn't make sense to 
> me, especially because it seems everyone, including Dumbledore 
> suspected Sirius of being the betraying spy. 

I am not presuming anything. I'm unisng *canon* (I pause for "oooh"s 
and "aaah"s from asorted yellow-flag armed listees). To quote: (Sp. Ed. 
PoA ch. 19, liberal translation): 

Black says "The night they died I had decided to check on Peter, to 
know whether he was still trustworthy. But when I arrived to his den, 
he had already left. There was no sign of fight whatsoever. It did not 
give me a good feeling. I got scared. I immediately got moving towards 
[Harry's] parent's house. And when I saw it destroyed and their 
bodies... I realised what Peter had done"

Thus, Sirius had a bad feeling about the empty den, and sped to the 
Potter's house, to find he had arrived too late.
 
> 2.  How does Dumbledore know in the first place?  You stated "<
> Dumbledore feels James's and Lily's death, and inmediately sends 
> Hagrid with orders to get Harry and take him some place safe, and to 
> meet with him at midnight of the next day at Privet's drive>" I agree 
> that having Dumbledore know what happened is pretty much the only way 
> Hagrid could have gotten there so fast, but I want to know how he 
> knew.  Dumbledore just"knowing" it happened just doesn't work for me.  
> Do you have a theory as to how he found out so quickly?
>
> mariahisable

No, I don't have any theory based on canon that can explain how he 
knew... but I can create one right away, if you need one. The original 
one was based loosly on the life-link from D&D: a simple spell between 
two wizards that informs either when the other is dead. I was thinking 
about that when I wrote the post, so it sort of permeated, but I 
understand is not canon.

Thus, I'm going to grab my fellow MAGIC DISHWASHER conspiratress' (or 
would that be conspirationess'?), Pip's, theory: Snape was there with 
the rest of the DEs, and the first thing he did was inform Dumbledore 
of what has transpired (note that, unlike Pip's version, in my *Snape 
was there* he's just an onlooker, and does not blow his cover)

Speaking of Pip:
> I think that you've answered this objection yourself to some extent 
> in your later post # 42246 when you say

Yes, I know there are inconsistencies between my posts of the Fateful 
Night (and I also know that I should have included this warning in the 
post, but it was long and I was tired and I forgot). When I suddenly 
realised -seconds after pushing the send button, as always- that the 
house *could* be found, I decided to write a big post putting it all 
toghether. It's less trying in the long run. Thus, I declare my 
official post as #42246, and any inconsistencies between that post and 
any previous one are won by the long one.

Also, I'd like to point out that I believe that the fidelius charm 
makes the recipients invisible to everyone but the secret keeper and 
themselves. Thus, you can visit the house, but you always see it empty, 
even if you know where to look. This may have coloured my explanations 
in the "Facts" section of my post. If it has, I am sorry.

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf