[HPforGrownups] Re: the Weasleys

[Jacqueline Hendries]

No: HPFGUIDX 42416

I'm in need of clarification. I know that the Gryffindors haven't won
the House Cup in seven years, and that they haven't won the Quidditch
cup since Charlie Weasley was seeker. However, are we sure that they
haven't won the Quidditch Cup in seven years? As the Slytherins show in
SS, it *is* possible to win the Quidditch Cup but not the House Cup.
And, if this happened to the Gryffindors, it's possible that Charlie
Weasley is fewer than fourteen years older than Ron. I don't have my
books in front of me, but... I'd love to have this checked out. :)

~ Aloha 

--- elfundeb <elfundeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> JOdel said, regarding Charlie Weasley's Quidditch career:
>   When he was 
>   Seeker, he would have been at least a 2nd year (given that Harry
> was the 
>   youngest team member in a hundred years when he was drafted for the
> team in 
>   his 1st year). And, since that year was the LAST year that the
> Gryffs took 
>   the Cup, it was amost -- but not absolutely -- certain that it was
> the last 
>   year that Charlie played that position. (Although it is just as
> possible that 
>   he COULD have earned his "legendary" status as a Seeker through
> brilliant 
>   play in games that Gryffandor did not win. [snip]
>   Taking the suggestion mentioned above; that Charlie may not have
> played 
>   Seeker after he got his growth, but went on to play some other
> position 
>   (Keeper?) and to captain the team for his later Hogwarts years. If
> we could 
>   tentatively say that Charlie graduated the year immediately before
> Harry and 
>   Ron started Hogwarts. This would have made that last year that
> Gryffrandor 
>   took the cup Charlie's 2nd year. 
> I think canon strongly suggests that Charlie never played any
> position other than Seeker.  In PS/SS ch. 10, Oliver Wood tells Harry
> at the end of his first practice, "I wouldn't be surprised if you
> turn out better than Charlie Weasley, and he could have played for
> England if he hadn't gone off chasing dragons."  To me, this sentence
> is a comparison of Harry as a Seeker to Charlie as a Seeker that was
> good enough to have played for England.  After all, Wood hasn't seen
> Harry do anything except fly and catch golf balls pretending to be
> snitches.  He has no other basis for comparison.  It's highly
> unlikely that Charlie could have played Seeker for England if he had
> switched positions early on, or left the team because he had grown
> too stocky.
> 
> I suppose there is a slim possibility that Charlie continued to play
> Seeker after Gryffindor last won the Cup, but Fred tells Harry (PS/SS
> ch. 9) that "we haven't won since Charlie *left*," again a strong
> implication that Gryffindor was highly successful at Quidditch as
> long as Charlie was there. 
> 
> Yes, I think the Lexicon is absolutely correct; I believe there is an
> enormous age gap, notwithstanding Ginny's statement at the end of CoS
> that she's looked forward to coming to Hogwarts ever since Bill came.
>  (Regardless of the actual age gap, that statement cannot be correct
> because Ginny cannot possibly have remembered when Bill went to
> Hogwarts.)   And I believe that at some point in the series the
> explanatory Weasley backstory will be told.  But that won't be for a
> long time, leaving us with years to engage in delicious speculation.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> 
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