[HPforGrownups] Prof. Trelawney deserves credit!

[Gail Bohacek]

No: HPFGUIDX 42726

>Naama Writes:
>
> >Moreover, there are those two *true* predictions: the one about the
> >return of LV and the one Dumbledore talks about (something like "that
> >brings her total of true predictions to two", I don't remember the
> >exact quote). I'd say that's a great deal for a fraud. I mean, if
> >such predictions could come to anyone, how come Trelawney had them
> >*twice*? There must be something about her after all, doesn't it?
>
> >So true, she's insanely fixed on seeing peoples' death, and true, I
> >wouldn't let her look at my crystal ball from a mile, but still, she
> >deserves *some* credit.

And I wrote:

>She also predicts things like Neville breaking her teacups (she keeps 
>herself in her room...how could she >have known that Neville is a klutz?) 
>and
>Parvati's rabbit dying....don't little predictions count, too?

Error on my part...it was Lavender's rabbit.

Anyway...I thought I'd take Naama's quaffle and fly with it...when I got 
home, I looked through the books and listed every time Prof. Trelawney made 
a prediction, and then checked it to see whether it had come true or not. 
Here it is (if I've forgotten anything, please forgive me, I'm only 
human...)

POA (soft cover US edition):

Page 103, to Neville: "Is your grandmother well?" Neville; "I think so." 
Prof. T; "I wouldn't be so sure if I were you, dear."....Unconfirmed 
Prediction, we don't know if Neville's gran was alright or not...the books 
don't tell us.  Also, the prediction may come true later on, only time will 
tell...

To Parvati: "Beware a red-haired man"....Unconfirmed Prediction.

She says that she will "...have a nasty bout of flu in 
Feb."....Unconfirmed...nothing was mentioned PoA that she was sick.

"Around Easter, one of our members will leave us forever."....Confirmed, 
when Hermione storms out of class.

To Lavender: "That thing you are dreading-it will happen on Fri. 16th of 
Oct."...Confirmed Prediction...Lavender seems to have been dreading th death 
of her pet rabbit, and she did get the bad news on the day Prof. T said (Oct 
16th)  so for all practical purposes, for Lavender, it did happen on that 
day...although Hermione discounts it.

Page 106, reading Harry's tealeaves: "You have a deadly enemy." True, but 
then again, "Everybody knows that."

"The club - an attack."  Confirmed in GoF when he is attacked by Lord 
Voldemort.

"The skull - danger in your path." also confirmed in GoF.

"The Grim"  Confirmed, if you take it that Grim=Sirius.

Page 108, to Neville: "You'll be late next time..." Unconfirmed...the book 
does not tell us if he was late or not.

Page 228, she told everybody at the dinner table that while crystal gazing 
that she saw herself coming to dine.  I admit, kinda lame.

Page 229: "I have seen that poor Prof. Lupin will not be with us for very 
long." Confirmed...Lupin had to leave Hogwarts by the end of PoA.

Page 296: "The fates informed me that your exams in June will concern the 
orb."  Very airy-fairy...or in the words of Hermione, "Well, honestly...'the 
fates have informed her'...who sets the exam?  She does!  What an amazing 
prediction."

Page 298: She sees the Grim in Harry's crystal ball...Confirmed if 
Grim=Sirius.

Page 324: Predicts Lord Voldemort's return...of course, confirmed in GoF.

In GoF (soft cover UK version):

Page 176: To Harry; "My inner eye sees past your brave face to the troubled 
soul within."  Confirmed.  Though Harry denies it, he still hurts because of 
his parents' death.

"I see difficult times ahead for you, alas...most difficult."  Confirmed.

Page 176: "I fear the thing you dread will indeed come to pass, and perhaps 
sooner than you think."  Confirmed...it crosses Harry's mind that the thing 
he dreads the most is Lord Voldemort returning.

Prof. Trelawney then starts to speculate on Harry's astrological chart.  She 
wonders if Harry is born under Saturn, which is a negative planet...this is 
hard to confirm since it would mean doing Harry's birth-chart.  I don't 
think that JKR has gone so much in depth into the character as to assign his 
time of birth.  But it would be interesting, though.  What year was Harry 
born I wonder?

She also asks if Harry was born in mid-winter...and I assume that she is 
thinking that Harry is a Pisces, which he isn't...but she was just guessing.

Anyway, for whatever it's worth...

-Gail B.


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