Old topics need new tricks (was:Re:Harry's Holly Wand and associated symbolism)

talisman22457 talisman22457 at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 19 01:01:14 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 42894

Earier Talisman noted: 

> Holly is associated with the Celtic (esp. Scottish)sun-god 
Lugh,*patron of sorcery*, whose myth has many fertile comparisons 
with Harry's story:
Lugh's feast day (July 31) is Harry's birthday; there is a prophesy 
that evil King Balor (Lugh's grandpa) will be killed by a grandson, 
which leads to his failed attempt to kill Lugh; Lugh is then raised 
under the care of a master magician, to keep him safe; when Balor (a 
Formonian) tries to take over the Tuatha de Danann, having killed 
their good king, Lugh emerges as the hero of the battle and becomes 
the new king of his people (the Tuatha).

Eloise then suggested that "old subjects need new tricks" and 
informed that:
People who are interested in this topic and who weren't around back 
in May might like to know that we had a huge discussion about it back 
then, under the Stoned!Harry heading. ***edited*** 
I recommend reading it as a lot of research on this topic has already 
been done and posted by members of this group.
I believe Stoned!Harry has also been written up for Hypothetic Ally 
*** A walk down Hypothetic Alley will inform you of many of the 
theories currently floating around.)
Eloise

Talisman responds: 
In the original post, I noted that I found extant references to Lugh 
(e.g. Ronale7, Grandpa Voldemort thread)prior to posting. I was also 
aware 
that holly symbolism has already been discussed; however, the points 
about holly being associated with Lugh; Lugh being patron of 
Sorcerers; raised by a sorcerer; and,upon killing his evil grandpa,  
becoming the new leader of the Tuatha (mystical pre-Celtic folk) have 
not been previously discussed.
In consideration of the interest in Stoned!Harry, here's a little 
something for you, Eloise.  Lugh killed his evil grandfather with a 
*stone.* 
> Talisman







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