[HPforGrownups] Pheonix Tears/ MAGIC DISHWASHER/ Dudley the victim

[Richelle Votaw]

No: HPFGUIDX 43147

> boy_mn Responds:
>
> More along this line: He was completely unfocused, exhausted, in
> shock, and he felt something go down his throat. He didn't know what
> it was or where it came from but it "felt as though* a drop of hot
> liquid had slipped down his throat...". In a sense, we aren't being
> given an account of events but an interpretation of event. Since the
> interpretation has an element of uncertainty, it 'felt as though'.

That is an interesting way to look at it, I'd never thought of it that way,
that what to Harry felt like something slipping down his throat could
actually *be* something slipping down his throat, not just the effects of
the song.  Fawkes has sang to Harry before, in the Chamber of Secrets, and
he doesn't feel as though anything's going down his throat.  So, if it was a
tear, how did it get there and why?  How it got there's a bit trickly, but
seeing as the bird itself can apparate it may have other magical powers we
don't know and can't understand.  So I'll leave that much to be determined.
As for why, what about to heal the effects of the Cruciatus curse?  Harry
felt "as if his very bones were on fire" and I'm sure that would leave quite
a lingering pain.   Nothing on the exterior that can be seen to heal, like
the leg wound could, but still something that could perhaps be healed with
the tears.  Just a thought.

Grey Wolf writes:

> But he [Voldemort] *can* rule the WW with both Dumbledore and Harry still
alive.
> Let's take this to the limit: Voldemort kills everyone that oposes him
> except H&D: He gets to rule the WW, even if they still exist. Truth is,
> Dumbledore is not in a position of political authority, and he has
> never wanted to be. It's comendable, and a strong defensive position,
> but it means that Voldemort can take over the MoM, put someone he trust
> at the top, and reduce Dumbledore's side to a resistance movement. And
> if that happens, Voldemort will have won the war, because no war can
> *ever* be won from a hit-and-run position.

But how can Voldemort kill *everyone* except Harry and Dumbledore?  Even in
Voldemort's first reign he feared Dumbledore.  As long as Dumbledore's
around and Voldemort fears him he will hestitate to go openly to whereever
Dumbledore is.  Which as long as Dumbledore is at Hogwart's it is a sort of
safe haven.  And as long as there are still a large number at Hogwarts,
Voldemort can't rule the entire WW.

Jenny from Ravenclaw writes:

> I never said Dudley was an innocent victim, but he is a victim
> nonetheless.  He is as much a target of his parents' abuse as Harry
> is, but obviously he is suffering in other ways.

Well, in that case Draco Malfoy is as much of a victim as Dudley is.
Draco's only the way he is because his parents raised him that way.  Lucius
has raised his son to be a carbon copy of himself.  Expressing hatred toward
Muggle borns, etc.  Yet this does not excuse Draco's actions toward Harry
and co.  Neither does it excuse Dudley's actions toward Harry.  There comes
a time when a child has to take a stand on their own to decide for
themselves what is right whether or not their parents agreed with it.  So
far neither Dudley nor Draco have chosen to take a stand for what's right.
Instead they follow in their parents footsteps.  Their upbringing is no
excuse for their actions.

Richelle