A dumb question about portkeys/ Molly's Memory/ Arthur Weasley

[Sirius Kase]

No: HPFGUIDX 43269

Eloise writes:

> Champions) and not Harry touching the Triwizard Cup? Or was Crouch/Moody just
> too arrogant to consider the possibility that he couldn't guarantee Harry
> getting there first? It very nearly happened, didn't it? If Cedric had been
> less noble about the whole thing, he alone would have been transported to the
> Graveyard. What then?

Richelle Votaw responds:

> Well, that's an interesting problem. A few solutions. 1) As you say
> Moody/Crouch may not have thought of such a thing. 2) Perhaps it was rigged
> to activate only upon Harry's touch? Thus anything touching it would be
> apparated, but only if Harry too were touching it? Don't know if that's
> possible, but also don't know that it's not possible, so maybe. Other
> possibilities???


What's so dumb about this portkey question?  Anyway, the plan as I
understand it was that an evil wizard lurking at the edge of the maze would
ensure nobody got to the cup before Harry.  So if the dark wizard did his
job, there would be no need to make the cup activated only by Harry's touch.

So what would have happened if the wrong boy/girl appeared in the graveyard?
There would be no spare and possibly Voldemort would have made his potion
with an enemy other than Harry.  It would still work for regenerating his
body, he just wouldn't have the power to touch Harry and he would have had
to save his "Everyone thinks this brat was my downfall" speech for another
occassion.
AND THEN his faithful friend at Hogwarts would owe him big time for letting
him down.  But that is the way Voldy does business, giving his followers
enough opportunites to screw up that they are always indebted to him.  Voldy
uses his forgiveness as a control technique.

Uncmark writes:

> Hagrid was expelled and became groundskeeper about 50 years before
> Harry's Time (placed at 1943 by the Harry Potter Lexicon) So who was
> Ogg and when did Molly and Arthur attend Hogwarts?

Richelle responds:

> Actually, according to Tom Riddle in the diary, and this much he should've
> known, I think, "Only the Transfiguration teacher, Dumbledore, seemed to
> think Hagrid was innocent. He persuaded Dippet to keep Hagrid on and train
> him as groundskeeper."
>
> Note it says *train* him as groundskeeper. I should imagine that at a place
> as big as Hogwarts it would take quite a while to train him. I'm also 95%
> sure that someplace it says assistant groundskeeper or some such thing, but
> can't find it now that I need to.

I agree 100%.  I find it inconceivable that Dippet would have made a 12 year
old head groundskeeper with no training at all.  Some sort of apprenticeship
would be expected.  This is almost unworthy of debate.
>
> Oh, and I also think Arthur Weasley will be MoM by the end of book 7. Or at
> the end will be made MoM. Just wanted to throw that in. Love those
> Weasleys! Well, most of them.

Yep, eventually.  There will be a long period of time, probably most of
books 5 and 6 where Arthur will be at odds with the Ministry and he will
probably lose his job for awhile only to be rewarded with the job of
Minister when everything gets sorted out in the end.

Sirius Kase